Friday, November 18, 2011

The Rapture of the Church - good news for Ann

Ann Barhardt doesn't want to be 'raptured': she wants to FIGHT

But Ann doesn't (yet) have a clue about God's plans with Israel and why it's necessary for the church of Christ Jesus to be out of the way before the tribulation starts, because that seven year tribulation has nothing to do with the church of real lovers of Jesus Christ, but it has everything to do with - a remnant of- God's chosen people, which God will lead into repentance in order to be able to meet their Messiah Yeshua, whom we call Christ Jesus, when He'll return to Israel and Jerusalem, to start His reign on earth at te beginning of a Kingdom that will last for1000 years.

Read her anti-rapture rant, which is typical for people who don't make a distinction between what the Lord Jesus has said, which is meant for His followers within the body of Christ, and which is meant for His JEWISH followers and others in the end time and during the tribulation, AFTER the rapture has occurred:

The Rapture Scam Repost: Prologue (1)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - October 22, AD 2011 9:28 PM MST

Okay. Can we PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop falling for rapture con artists? PLEEEEEASE? It's just getting pathetic. It's like the musloids and their 72 virgins bee-ess. It's just STUPID. Stop it. There is NO RAPTURE. It is a SCAM that SCAM ARTISTS use to SCAM people out of their money. And it has been going on for THREE HUNDRED YEARS. STOP!

What part of:
"But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone." Matthew 24:36
do we not understand? Good grief. How do we go from the words of Christ Almighty above, to an old man in California with a PayPal account (click here to make your donation today!) knowing the EXACT DAY.


Oh, but Ann! We've got you! We've got you cold! Keep reading in Matthew 24 and there is PROOF of the Rapture!!
"And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, and they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be. Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill: one shall be taken, and one shall be left. Watch ye therefore, because ye know not what hour your Lord will come." Matthew 24:37-42
Wow. Pretty convincing . . . if you don't actually read, think about and process what Our Lord said. Not only is this NOT proof of a "rapture", it utterly, totally and completely BEATS THE ENTIRE CONCEPT into the ground, salts that ground, and then does a wee dance atop the remaining greasy, salted stain.

AND AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH. What happened with Noah? He and his family got in the Ark, and then there was a monster flood and everyone else was "taken away". So, in review, the BAD PEOPLE got "snatched away" and the GOOD PEOPLE were . . . left behind.

And this is your stone-cold rapture proof text? SERIOUSLY? A text in which Christ Almighty says EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what you are saying? Bad people: poof. Good people: left behind.

There ain't no "rapture", kids. It's a sleazy con borne out of Protestantism. Y'all are staring at the sky waiting for Jesus when Jesus is right here and has been all along. Every single one of you reading this outside the muslim world are within EASY driving distance of Jesus, physically present right here on earth. He is physically present inside the tabernacle of every Catholic Church on earth. PHYSICALLY. Many of you probably drive right by Him every day. If you don't understand the Eucharist, or deny the Eucharist, then you CAN NOT properly understand eschatology or the End Times. That would be like trying to understand calculus without understanding, or even DENYING addition. Jesus has been coming to men continuously for 1978 years. The Parousia is a CONTINUUM with a climactic endpoint - like a beautiful symphony that ends with a bang. While y’all are denying everything except the VERY LAST NOTE, you are MISSING OUT ON THE BEAUTY OF THE ENTIRE SYMPHONY.

Here is a WONDERFUL allegorical YouTube clip. This is literally the last twenty-two seconds of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony. Followed by seven minutes of cheering. Listen to the last note – the last BANG at the 0:22 mark. And then realize that you have missed the other 45 minutes of the symphony. The 45 minutes that preceded that last note at 0:22 is all of human history, playing out in movements with different themes, tempos and melodies, with Christ being fully PHYSICALLY present for the last 1978 years (and counting) in the Eucharist plus the 33 years of His Incarnation. Where are WE in the symphony? Are we in the final movement or in the third movement? NOBODY KNOWS!!! But we still have to attend the concert, pay attention and be ready to cheer if that last BANG! happens soon. See Matthew 24:36 above. The seven minutes of applause actually is the ETERNITY of “cheering” that will go on forever after the Final Coming in Glory. And yes, all of the people on the stage and in the audience are the members of the Church Triumphant, which includes every person who makes it to heaven, who are called “saints”, along with all of the angels. The Church Triumphant will go on “cheering” the Trinity forever. That is what heaven IS.

Beethoven -9th Symphony 4th Movement- Vienna Philharmonic Part 3

Which brings us to the final point of this prologue. Whether or not this is the "End Times" should be utterly, completely and totally irrelevant to any Christian. You should behave and fight the good fight in EXACTLY the same manner, regardless of whether or not this is indeed the run-up to Christ's Glorious Return. It DOES NOT MATTER. If this is NOT the End Times, then you fight for Him and for the Truth until you are dead. If this IS the End Times, you fight for Him and for the Truth until you are dead or the world is consummated and the Final Judgment commences.

What? If a little birdy whispered in your ear that this WAS the End Times, what would you do? What would the difference be? Would you throw down your sword and WATCH in smug indifference as satan ran over the earth ruining as many souls as he could before the end? Really? Well, aren't you the SELFISH JERK. Missing the ENTIRE POINT much?

You CAN NOT get out of this fight. There is no rapture. Deal with it.

Now follows the original essay:

The Rapture Scam Repost by Request (Part 2)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - October 22, AD 2011 9:27 PM MST

Here's your theology lesson for the day, and I have the feeling that more than a few of you are not going to like this one. If there is one thing you should have figured out about me by now, it is that I DO NOT PULL PUNCHES. Looking at the events of the last few weeks and the sheer speed with which the national and global situation is being pushed towards the cliff's edge by the Obama regime, I want to get this on the record so that there is still time for people to sit and calmly think about it.

The entire notion of a "rapture" of Christians at the end of time is a dirty, satanic lie that imperils human souls.

1. Are these the "End Times"? I have no idea. And neither does anyone else. When it does happen, there will be no way that anyone will miss it. Don't worry about that. Here is what I do know. The western world is emerging from 60+ years of peace, progress and prosperity unparalleled in human history. This era from the end of WWII until the election of Obama is already being labeled by historians as the "Pax Americana". The Pax Americana is coming to an end. Does this necessarily imply the Second Coming is near? No. The last 2000 years have seen wall-to-wall wars, genocides, plagues and every imaginable type of human cruelty and suffering all over the world. Our little cocoon in time here in the U.S. and Canada since the mid-1940s has been off-the-charts in terms of peace, safety and human happiness. In other words, our happy, free lives have been the miniscule exception in the continuum of human history. This point CAN NOT be overemphasized. So, the rocky, frightening current events MUST be placed into that perspective. Having one's bank accounts seized by the IRS, or even being thrown in prison is pretty much a non-event compared to what happened in the Vendee genocide in France, or the rape of Nanking by the Japanese. I'll not go into detail here. Google either of those terms if you want to see what human beings are capable of doing to one another - but don't say I didn't warn you. My point is that terrible, terrible things have happened since 33 AD that surely felt like the "End Times" to the people that suffered through them, but they were not the End Times. They were just horrific episodes in human history. We must humbly accept that this very well could be the case now. Are we so full of ourselves that we think that even the slightest hint of suffering DEMANDS Christ's return? Uh, no. Let's get over ourselves, shall we?

2. The concept of the “Rapture” is less than 300 years old. The very first hint of anything even close to the concept of Rapture was put forth by a Puritan by the name of Increase Mather in Boston in the early 1700s. This idea was identified as a money-making scheme that was exciting and sensational to people and that would fill the pews and collection plates. Early drivers of the Rapture bandwagon included Darby, Moody, and Scofield who were the direct antecedents to Lindsey, LaHaye and Jenkins today. So, we have over 1700 years of Christian history and scholarship and Christ has exactly TWO comings – the first from 1 AD to 33 AD, and the second “in glory to judge the living and the dead” which is yet to occur. One. Two. Period. Then, all of a sudden, a shoe salesman (Moody) and a lawyer (Scofield) discover that there is a THIRD coming, between the two – a SECRET coming that only THEIR FOLLOWERS will benefit from. Do I need to go any further? Seriously. Because NO ONE had read the Bible up until Moody and Scofield. Nope. Not a soul. The first two people to ever read the Bible were a shoe salesman and a lawyer back east, who happened to discover an “obvious” doctrine that radically alters Christian theology, and purely as a side note would make them very, very rich men. YOU BETCHA. I’ll take a side of global warming with my Rapture, please.

The Rapture Scam Repost by Request (Part 3)
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - October 22, AD 2011 9:25 PM MST

3. Here is why this is so important. People who subscribe to the Rapture trap think that they will be spared any suffering in the End Times. All of the “good” people will be raptured away before the tribulation period, and all of the “bad” people will be “Left Behind” to suffer. Hmmm. So let me get this straight. Good people don’t suffer. So, your grandpa that was eaten alive by cancer – he must have deserved it. The people in the west of France who were raped and mutilated by the revolutionary mercenaries, they must have deserved it. The US soldiers that were eviscerated and died holding their guts in their arms on Omaha Beach – they must have deserved it. Not only did they deserve it, but their families deserved it, too. So when Jesus said, “Take up your cross and follow me,” He must have been CONFUSED, because Christians don’t suffer. As we can see, not only do Christians suffer, but they should EXPECT to suffer. Read the Beatitudes. Blessed are those who MOURN. Blessed are you when you are PERSECUTED. And on and on. There is an old quote: God has one Son without sin, but He has no sons without suffering. 

4. What satan has done with this Rapture lie is completely break down Christians’ ability to bear and persevere in their faith through periods of suffering. What are all of the “Left Behind” fans going to do IF the End Times - or ANY period of suffering - actually do begin and they aren’t whisked away? Oh, there are several things they will think. They will think that God doesn’t love them and has abandoned them, and thus lose their faith. They will think that the Bible is untrue and untrustworthy (because the rapture is so clearly Biblical, and Hal Lindsey just CAN’T be wrong) and thus lose their faith. They will think that they must not be saved, and the fact that they are still on the earth is proof that they are already damned, and thus lose their faith. What is the common operator? That they will LOSE THEIR FAITH. People, that is satan’s sole objective. He will do anything and everything in his enormous power to get you, me and every possible person to LOSE THEIR FAITH. And of course, one of the most effective methods to get people to lose their faith is to pervert and twist the Bible and doctrine into traps like this. The raising up of false prophets also is a highly effective means of breaking peoples' spirits.

5. What this Rapture trap also does is cause Christian Soldiers to go AWOL from the fight. How many times have I heard people say, “Oh well, I don’t need to worry about any of this. The Lord is going to Rapture me home, and I won’t be around to see any of this happen. I just have to remember that none of this has anything to do with me.” This really gets my dander up. Look, every single one of us is going to be JUDGED. And what will we be judged upon? OUR ACTIONS AND DECISIONS IN THIS WORLD. Don’t tell me that the world doesn’t matter. The world and my interaction with it will be the foundation of my personal judgment before Christ. I am baptized and have confessed Christ. What do I do with that? Do I follow Christ’s command to go out into the world and make Him manifest (imperfectly!) in the world? Or do I take my salvation, smugly tuck it into my pocket and promptly retire to my room to engage in a life of self-absorbed self-satisfaction? “I’m going to heaven. I’m going to be Raptured. And to hell with the rest of you.” Literally. I think I remember St. Paul saying something about working out one’s salvation “in fear and trembling.” Pompous, self- righteous disengagement is about as far from that as you can get. The Lord’s Prayer says, “Thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven.” Are we going to cooperate in God’s will on earth, or just surrender that bit to satan? Satan is definitely trying to deceive you into surrendering the earth to him. The Rapture trap is a big tool on his belt for that.

So there you go. Whether we are leading up to just another period of human suffering, or to the Glorious Coming of Christ, we have to have our heads on straight and be steeled and prepared for battle, physically but ESPECIALLY spiritually. Either way, satan is going to be using the situation to rip as many of us from the arms of Christ as he possibly can. DON’T LET HIM DO IT. Cling to the Cross.

And now the TRUTH about the rapture and why it's biblical and not an obscure teaching:


The Rapture of the Church 


The Rapture is the Great Blessed Hope of the Christian. We have been promised that Christ is coming back to gather God’s children together to be with Him forever. There are, however, so anti-rapture movements brewing in the Christian community, so it is important to defend this sound, biblical doctrine.
Those who question this belief would charge us, like the Bereans, to be willing to search the scriptures and find out the truth for ourselves. (Acts 17:11) I whole-heartedly agree!
In fact, I have done so, and found that the rapture is a blessed event that is clearly set forth in scripture. Always be careful when you read someone else’s work to make sure their application of scripture is sound. Do so when you read this, and do so if you have read the anti-rapture materials.

I have written this to address many of the faulty arguments in these texts, but have tried to make it flow well even if you have not read these materials. The most dangerous thing about works like the one I am addressing is that they contain enough truth to capture your attention, enough scripture to make it look legitimate, but enough slant to deceive you. It holds all the same pitfalls as the works of the Mormon Church or the Watchtower Society. We need to get back to scriptural truth.


First, let me clarify that the word “Rapture,” just like the word “Trinity,” does not occur in scripture. However, just as the doctrine of the trinity is true, so is the doctrine of the rapture. These are simply words we have come to use to express ideas found in scripture.


Next, I want to make it known that there will be a new heavens and earth. Ephesians 3:21 is falsely quoted to mean that this world is eternal because, in the KJV it uses the phrase “world without end.” However, this is a faulty translation. The original Greek more accurately is translated as ‘forever and ever’ or ‘from age to age.’ Most other translations, old and new, translate it this way, including the NIV, ASV, NKJV, Darby’s,
Young’s Literal Translation, and many, many more. However, the scripture does clearly state:

“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” (Matthew 24:35, Mark 13:31, Luke 21:33, KJV)

There is even scientific evidence that suggests the very atoms that make up this universe are not eternal and will eventually break down after the passage of time. God did not create this world or this universe to be eternal. He has promised new heavens and a new earth:

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.” (Isaiah 65:17, KJV)

The Rapture of the Church 
“ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.” (2 Peter 3:9 -13, KJV)

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.” (Revelation 21:1, KJV)

While some have tried to claim that these scriptures only refer to a cleansing of the world from sin, the scripture is clearly referring to a new universe. Also, the fact that God promises new heavens is a problem for this theology. If he is referring to Heaven, it cannot be made any more righteous than it already is, and if he means the physical heavens, only the earth and those who live in it were cursed because of sin. (See Genesis
3.) If this interpretation was correct, it would require a promise of only a new earth.


One key portion of the anti-rapture argument has been that we have a separate physical body and spiritual body. This is a misunderstanding of scripture.

Man was created in the image of God. (Genesis 5:1) Part of this nature is that, just as God is 3 in 1 (Father, Son, and Spirit), we too have a “3 in 1”, or “triune” nature. This is referenced in 1 Thessalonians 5:23-

“I pr ay God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (emphasis mine)

We are made of these three parts: the body in which we dwell, the spirit that communes with God, and the soul, which is the essence of who we are. However, when we die, we are separated from our bodies:

“Then shall the dust return to earth and it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

We also know that we are promised that, at the moment of death, we are with the Lord:

“ Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight :) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Wherefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.” (2 Corinthians 5:6-9, KJV)

Clearly, at death we are separate from the body and our spirit dwells with God. But it is clear that we are absent from the body. While some argue this is only the physical body, we have already established that the soul and body are two very different things.

The Rapture of the Church 
Here is what the Bible says about spiritual bodies:

“ So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1 Cori nthians 15:42-44)

The physical body is sown in death, and it is raised as a spiritual body. There are not my words. They are the words of St. Paul.

Again, some scripture has been misapplied to support a different view. They say that verse 40 of this same chapter, which mentions terrestrial bodies and celestial bodies, shows that these are two different bodies and there is no transformation. While this argument is already weak and barely worth mentioning, it shows how loosely scripture is applied. The very next verse shows a completely different meaning that that used by the anti-rapture position:

“There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.” (verse 41, KJV)

Paul was referencing the bodies in the physical heavens verses the physical earth to say this is how different things will be when you have a spiritual body. The corruptible physical body that is sown will not compare to the incorruptible spiritual body we will reap:

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption”. (verse 42, KJV)

Whether we are dead or alive, all of us who are in Christ will reap a spiritual body in exchange for the physical at the rapture.


This brings us to the rapture of the church:

Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51 -53, KJV)

This scripture stands clear in its meaning, so the anti-rapture movement, as it so often does, finds itself in the position of trying to explain away the scripture. They try and fail of course, because God’s Word stands forever. If you have to explain away the scripture, you are likely on the wrong side of a doctrinal issue.

Their argument is that, since we will ALL be changed, this cannot mean a rapture since this would mean saints and sinners. They further claim that this will happen just before the judgment, so that righteous and unrighteous can be judged in the body.

Again, their problem is contextual. First, this scripture is written to the Corinthian church. In this context, a reference to “we all” means all of us as believers. To further demonstrate, read verse 22:

The Rapture of the Church 
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”

If we interpret “all” to mean “all mankind,” we have just said that everyone will be saved! Why bother proclaiming the gospel?

Context is further a problem for this argument, as you can see by continuing on to read verses 54-57:

“ So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thyb sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

This putting on of the incorruptible body is further described as victory over death, the grave and even sin! If this scripture applies to all people instead of all believers, you are again saying that everyone will be saved and the proclamation of the gospel is useless.

No matter how hard anyone tries to explain away this doctrine in exchange for something easier to swallow, the scripture speaks for itself:

For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:15 -17, KJV)

Again, trying to explain away scripture, the anti-rapture movement says the “clouds” refers to the “cloud of witnesses” in Hebrews 12:1. While they have the same roots , clouds in this scripture are always translated as a literal cloud, while the word for cloud in Hebrews is used only once, in that instance, and refers more accurately to a fog or vapor and is used here metaphorically. The point is that they are separate words with separate applications.

Then they take the word air and completely misinterpret its meaning. They take its root word (meaning a word from which it is derived), and since the root word refers to breathing, they use the following line of ‘logic’ : The word air must mean breathing, so its referring to the breath of life in your body; they say this means our soul, and they falsely believe, as we’ve already addressed, that the soul is the spiritual body. So this is a reference to dwelling in our spiritual body when we die.

The problem is that the root word is only a related word, not the same word. For example, in English, the word “love” is the root word of “lovely,” and while they are related, they have totally different meanings. The same is true here.
The word for air here is aer (pronounced ah-A-er), and means air or atmosphere. What’s the point of all this? We will be ‘caught up’, or ‘seized’, into the literal air and literal clouds, to literally meet the literal Christ and literally be with him forever! The Bible means what it says!

The Rapture of the Church 

One final consideration is the timing of the rapture. The anti-rapture movement contends that there is no rapture, and Christ will only be seen at the second coming to judge the earth. Scripture says differently.

In Revelation 4:1-2, John is symbolic of the church:

After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.” (KJV, emphasis mine)

Here we see the symbolism of the church being caught up in the rapture: a voice like a trumpet symbolizing the trumpet call of God, the call the come up, and immediately he was caught up into heaven- in the twinkling of an eye. Only then does the Great Tribulation occur.

Further scriptural proof is found in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-7.

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.
Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.” (NIV)

First, we see that the rapture will not happen until the man of lawlessness is revealed. In other words, the anti-christ. When he comes to power (v.4), we will be gathered together to the Lord (v.1). It further reasons that the church is the one who holds him back (v. 6-7). Some believe this is the Holy Spirit who will withdraw his presence, but since he is omni-present and God cannot deny His own divine nature (2 Timothy 2:13), this cannot be the case.

So follow the scripture instead of arguing with it: when the anti-christ comes to power, true believers in Christ will be gathered together in the rapture. With the body of Christ out of the way, the anti-christ will be free to rule during the Great Tribulation.


Christ is coming for those who follow him, and it could be any day or any hour. The good news for those who don’t believe this is that, if you are truly living for Him, you still get to come. The most important lesson to learn from this debate is to study the whole Bible, and read it in context.


So the good news for Ann, and people like her, is clear: LOVE and live for Jesus Christ with all of your heart, and ASK God the Father for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and you'll be raptured.
Many believers in Jesus, or 'christians' THINK they have received the Holy Spirit, but that's not so, because they have to ASK JESUS to receive HIM.

This is what I have learned in the beginning of my conversion, and I also thought that coming to believe in Jesus Christ is the same as having received the Holy Spirit, but that's not the case.

We have to ASK: If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ASK him?
Luke 11,13

Only people who really love JESUS with all of their heart are willing to DO this, but others are stubborn and proud and they THINK that they've received the Holy Spirit, because they've been taught that this happened when they started to believe.

After the rapture it's still possible that people will believe, but then it will no longer be possible to ask for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit will be gone, INCLUDING those in whom He lives and lived, and then I'm also talking about those who are deceased in the believe in our Lord JESUS Christ, and who were filled with the Holy Spirit.

For this we tell you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with God's trumpet. The dead in Christ will rise first, 17 then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 4,15-17

JESUS comes to take all His LOVERS away, who are filled with His Holy Spirit!


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