maandag 15 februari 2016

Why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen?


When God put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were both innocent and good. Yet, God allowed Satan into the Garden knowing that Satan would tempt Eve and that they would both end up sinning. Why did He do that?

On my radio show, an atheist called in and tried to trap me by posing a moral dilemma. He was smart enough not to appeal to his own atheistic moral standard, so he tried a different tact. He asked if I believed it was wrong to put a murderer and child molestor in a room with a child, knowing how bad the guy was and knowing what could happen. I said that it would be wrong to do so. He then applied that to God allowing Satan in the Garden and how that it is also wrong because God knew what would happen. Unfortunately, the criticism doesn't work. Here's why.

First of all, Adam was not a child. He was a grown man. He had--to some degree--knowledge of right and wrong because God had told him not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. In other words, Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey. That is what the issue is about--not physical size in comparing a full grown bad guy and a small defenseless child. Adam made a moral choice, a wrong choice. So, the analogy doesn't work.

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Excuse me, sir, I don't know you, I likely never will, and I'm not sure I want to, but DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?! Yes, yes, some explanations are that a day in the Lord is as a thousand years or that they died spiritually that day, but think about it; God said that Adam and Eve would die if they ate the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they did, physically. "They did?" I hear you asking. Yes, they did. Did God ever say that they would die as soon as they ate the fruit? No, He did not, and look at it, they did die, because do you see them walking around today? And if you say that's a "broad interpretation", look at the rest of Scripture! God is almost always, if not always, very specific and precise when He speaks to people, yet he NEVER SAID that Adam and Eve would die immediately, but because they ate the fruit, they did die, eventually. Next, did they gain wisdom when they ate the fruit? No. They gained KNOWLEDGE but not WISDOM. And I don't even think their knowledge came from eating the fruit, it came from performing an evil act, which had never been performed before. Now, why did God put the Tree in the Garden in the first place? Again, think about it, God wanted humans to be different from the beasts, to have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. If you have two people living in the perfect world, with no evil anywhere in sight, do they really have a choice between good and evil? No. They don't. In such a situation, they MUST choose good, because only good exists. God wants us to CHOOSE to follow him, not to follow him blindly simply because there's no other option! Finally, OF COURSE God punished Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, and cursed the Earth! Adam, Eve, and the Serpent betrayed and disobeyed him, especially Adam and Eve, since we know the Serpent is Satan, who had already betrayed God. There was NO PAIN in childbirth before the fall! The land was easier to work with! And after the flood, God did NOT lift that curse! When God said he would "not again curse the ground any more for man's sake" He meant that he wouldn't curse the ground AGAIN! He wouldn't cause it to be EVEN HARDER to plant! LOOK AT IT!! The word used isn't "anymore" it's "any more". They have different meanings! That is all.

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  1. +Jay The Lord Is My Savior Jones
    Yes, 'fallen angels, running around with ERECTIONS and with a scrotum with testicles, which produce WORKING SEMEN'......and you BELIEVE this UTTER MADNESS??


    Satan is TOO STUPID to be able to DECIPHER God's SECRET code of DNA, or do you really think God=JESUS would have made angels who are able to OUTSMART Him?

    Then you're more IMPRESSED by Satan than by JESUS!

    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

    What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be

    The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE!
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html

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  2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Yes, JESUS is indeed the restrainer, and without His presence, through God's Holy Spirit, we would already be in the world to come, after the rapture!


    There are actually believers who think we already live in the Time of Jacob's Trouble, although they like to call this near future era 'the tribulation', but the Time of Jacob's Trouble will be quite different from now, because then world dictatorship will be established (I believe through the Vatican) and all believers in JESUS will be persecuted, so also in the US or in my country.

    That is simply not yet the case.

    Also: we can still speak our minds about our faith on the internet or through other media, but in the coming world it will no longer be possible to say anything positive about the Lord JESUS!

    North Korea is in fact a model for the world to come, because communism was also an invention by the Jesuits, and Pope Francis is also a Marxist.

    North Korea is the WORST country for believers in JESUS on earth: http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jul/27/where-in-the-world-is-it-worst-place-to-be-a-christian

    I'm really glad we agree on JESUS!

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  3. And what do FELLOW BELIEVERS in JESUS do, who believe in wrong teachings, like the BIG FAT NONSENSE of fallen angels who had sex with earthly women in Genesis 6, generating the giants?
    (see this topic: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/why-did-god-let-satan-into-garden.html )
    THEY BLOCK YOU!
    I"m so HAPPY to know that NO ONE in heaven will even think of the option of blocking someone else, because everybody LOVE each other in the presence of JESUS!

    Poor Joyce and I really loved her as my sister in JESUS....

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  4. +Awaken Sheeple
    I don't block fellow believers in JESUS, but in case we disagree on important issues and there's no willingness to come to an agreement through the LOVE of JESUS
    , then I unfollow such a person.

    I believe it's VERY SAD when believers in JESUS see no other option than to BLOCK others who are saved too by the BLOOD of JESUS.

    If Joyce had unfollowed me, I would have respected her decision, but BLOCKING me....

    In such cases it seems that JESUS suffered and died IN VAIN....

    He wants us to LOVE each other!

    Thanks for your comment and the Lord JESUS is with us!

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  5. +Awaken Sheeple
    Yes, so much to learn and especially on the internet and on 'social media' on which Satan plays his game too of divide and conquer by giving God's elect the possibility to BLOCK each other and play 'god'.


    I'm not happy with this and I'm not smiling when someone who I saw as a friend, has blocked me.

    I understand she is or was sick (the flu), when she blocked me, so I pray she'll change her mind.

    Just recently there was a fellow believer who shared a warning against Joyce, because he believes she's spreading falsehood, and I defended her, because I know her from the time when I was dealing with a big personal loss and she was there to give me some comfort, and I prayed for her when her car was stolen and the Lord JESUS did a miracle (not specifically because of me, because there were more people praying for her) and her car was found by the police and almost without damage.

    I know Joyce is not an easy person, and I guess this has to do with her past, but also with her character, but I've had problems with other believers too in the past, both on the Dutch internet and the English spoken internet concerning the so called fallen angels who supposedly had sexual intercourse with earthly women, which supposedly generated the giants of genesis 6.

    Of course I believe there were giants, because the Bible says so, but I believe in a different reason why these people could exist, and that has also to do with the fallen angels, but not as the ones who supposedly impregnated earthly women, but as demons who inspired the people to mess with human DNA, just like the 'scientists' are doing this in our days.

    I also believe that they were the people who have build the great pyramid and other structures in Central America, which can't be copied, because the techniques they used are still a mystery to us.

    I believe they were almost 100% being influenced by these demons, and that this was one of the main reasons why God decided to destroy this civilization, and also because of their evil behavior and their violence.

    Joyce and I agree on this, but not on how these people came into existence, and at first glance it almost seems trivial, because in both cases we believe that fallen angels played a major role in this downfall of Antediluvian/Preflood humanity, but there's a big difference in believing that (fallen) angels actually are able to procreate with the use of earthly women, or my conviction that says that this is absolutely impossible, because angels weren't created with the ability to procreate, and I also don't believe they have full knowledge of the secret DNA/RNA-code, because that's God's secret.

    But just like the scientists of today, they know how to MANIPULATE this code in order to create different kinds of plants and animals and humans.

    But they aren't able to create life 'from scratch'.

    So you see, I have a completely different view on the matter, because people who believe it's possible that fallen angels have been able to procreate, generating the Nephilim, are giving Satan and his demons too much credit, and that's wrong.

    JESUS is with us.

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  6. +Awaken Sheeple
    I'm following JESUS since January 15, 1984 and I know my ex since December of that year, and over a half year ago she said she doesn't love me anymore, and at first she wanted to remain friends with me.

    At first I thought she wasn't serious, but two days later I realized she was serious and then we had a confrontation after which she decided to 'block' me, just like on the internet, but this is in the real world.
    I thought we were both looking forward to JESUS' coming, but now I'm no longer sure what she actually believes, and there's ONE big question I want to ask her: do you still love JESUS?
    it's not about me, but about HIM!

    Of course I talk it over with the Lord JESUS, everytime it hurts, and this goes for others too who have 'blocked' me and who I love.

    I'm glad for you you were given another wife who is as close to the perfect woman you could have ever asked for!

    What a blessing!

    Yes, we need to rely on JESUS, whether it's about (ex)spouses or neighbors.

    Thanks for your comments!

    Hans, from the Netherlands.

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  7. +InTheAngel'sAndOurEyesGodIsEverything Hi Vanessa, Hans from the Netherlands here.
    I've just lost someone as a friend
    , because she believes the giants of Genesis 6 are the result of sexual intercourse between fallen angels and earthly women, which is an important 'revelation' of 'the book of Enoch'.
    Now I don't believe the 'book of Enoch' is Biblical and I even believe it's occult!

    If you're interested you can read my conversation with this sister (because she is a fellow believer in the Lord JESUS Christ) on this topic: Why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen? http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/why-did-god-let-satan-into-garden.html

    This sister has now blocked me, unfortunately.
    She won't be able to do this in heaven and on the New Earth, because my Lord and Savior JESUS is there the boss and not YouTube-Google+ and their possibility to block people, or the internet in general.

    Please take this to heart and study it.

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    Hans S 1 second ago
    +Hans S Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm
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    Hans S 1 second ago
    +Hans S What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be
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    Hans S 1 second ago
    +Hans S The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html

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  8. Joyce also doesn't believe that the Jewish people is still God's chosen people, which is typical for many believers who come from 'churches', and in fact her conciction derives from the Roman Catholic replacement theology, which wrongly states that 'the church' replaced the Jews as God's chosen people.
    Many protestant churches still share fallacies with the 'mother church', the satanic Roman Catholic DEATH CULT.
    Martin Luther himself is an example of this: Lutheranism Exposed! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/09/lutheranism-exposed.html

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  9. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex With Earthly Women?
    By David J. Stewart | August 2007

    No! I felt the importance to address this issue from a Biblical perspective, because many heresies have crept into our churches as a result of misinterpretations over Genesis 6:1-6...
    "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    I agree with the mighty Bible teacher, J. Vernon McGee on this matter, who states...
    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose [Gen. 6:1–2].
    This matter of "the sons of God" and "the daughters of men" is something that has caused no end of discussion. There are a great many good men who take the position that "the sons of God" were angels. I personally cannot accept that at all. Most of my teachers taught that the sons of God were angels, and I recognize that a great many of the present-day expositors take that position. However, I cannot accept that view, because, if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God." Also, the offspring here were men; they were not monstrosities. I do not know why it is assumed by so many that the offspring were giants. We will look at this more closely when we come to verse 4.
    And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years [Gen. 6:3].
    We believe that Noah preached for 120 years, and during that time the Spirit of God was striving with men. Peter makes it very clear that it was back in the days of Noah that the Spirit of God was striving with men in order that He might bring them to God—but they would not turn. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Pet. 3:18–19). These spirits were in prison when Peter wrote, but they were preached to in the days of Noah. How do we know that? Verse 20 reads: "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a-preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." When were they disobedient? During the long-suffering of God in the days of Noah—during those 120 years.

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  10. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown [Gen. 6:4].
    It says, "There were giants in the earth in those days," but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: "the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals...
    Then what do we have here in verse 4? As I see it, Genesis is a book of genealogies—it is a book of the families. The sons of God are the godly line who have come down from Adam through Seth, and the daughters of men belong to the line of Cain. What you have here now is an intermingling and intermarriage of these two lines, until finally the entire line is totally corrupted (well, not totally; there is one exception). That is the picture that is presented to us here.
    I recognize, and I want to insist upon it, that many fine expositors take the opposite view that the sons of God are actually angels. If you accept that view, you will be in good company, but I am sure that most of you want to be right and will want to go along with me. Regardless of which view you take, I hope all of us will be friends, because this is merely a matter of interpretation. It does not have anything to do with whether or not you believe the Bible but concerns only the interpretation of the facts of Scripture.
    SOURCE: McGee, J. Vernon, Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 2000, c1981.
    I agree with Dr. McGee 100% here. I cannot accept the popular view that fallen angels (i.e. demons) had sexual relations with earthly women, because, if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God." Also, as we learned, the Bible never specifies that the "giants" were the offspring of such extraterrestrial relations.

    Scriptural Proof that Angels and Mankind Cannot Marry
    There were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it...
    "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

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  11. This Scripture passage plainly states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish, birds are birds, and angels are angels. There is not one Scriptural reference which would even remotely lead us to believe that angels and humans ever had sex. Jesus plainly stated in Mark 12:25 concerning the departed saints... "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." I think this Scripture verse is self-explanatory. Carefully notice that Genesis 6:2 states... "and they took them wives of all which they chose." Mark 12:25 says that angels cannot marry; but Genesis 6:2 says that the sons of God married the daughters of men. Clearly there would be a serious contradiction in the Scriptures here IF the sons of God were angels.
    The idea that angels had sexual relations with earthly women is preposterous. As one can imagine, such speculation in the Scriptures provides ample opportunity for the heathen world to exploit the Scriptures. Countless books, movies, documentaries, and false religions have exploited such misinterpretations of Genesis 6:1-6. One such exploit is the alleged lost Biblical BOOK OF ENOCH, which teaches that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! Without a doubt, the primary claim of the Book of Enoch is that fallen angels had sex with human women and produced 450-feet tall giants upon the earth. This teaching is ridiculous, unscriptural, and has no solid evidence to support it (Biblically or scientifically). This is another good reason why the Book of Enoch should continue to be rejected. It is nonsense.

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  12. Further Evidences that Angels and Women DIDN'T Marry
    If, as some theologians believe (including the mighty Bible teacher Dr. M.R. DeHaan), angels did have sex with earthly women, then why has it not occurred since Genesis 6:1-6? The Scriptures are not silent on this matter, as we have read in Mark 12:25, for "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." The demonic succubus (a female demon) and the incubus (a male demon) are believed by Satanists to have sex with sleeping humans. Of course, this is not a Scriptural teaching. Angels cannot marry, nor be given in marriage.
    Also, why didn't God mention any punishment for the angels in Genesis? Genesis 6:7 states... "And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." "Angels" are NOT mentioned. Surely God would have been very angry with a group of angels that defiled his creation, bringing it to ruin.
    In addition, the entire suggestion that God allowed angels, which would have possessed FULL knowledge of divine realities, to tempt mankind is against the plainest teachings of the Scriptures. 1st Corinthians 10:13 states... "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It would have been extremely UNCOMMON for women to be tempted by angels into marriage, not to mention the fact that the temptation would have been ABOVE THAT YE ARE ABLE.
    We do know that there were giants in the Old Testament, as Goliath himself was 9' 6" tall (1st Samuel 17:4); however, as mentioned earlier, Genesis 6:1-6 fails to state directly that the "giants" of those days were the offspring monsters of bizarre extraterrestrial marriages. Carefully notice Genesis 6:4 again... "There were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." "Also" means in addition to. "After that" means later. Clearly, even from reading the Bible at a childlike level, it is obvious that the "giants" were not the same people as the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

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  13. Why I Disagree with Dr. M.R. DeHaan Concerning the Antichrist
    In THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS, by Dr. M.R. DeHaan, on pages 138,139, he states...
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (John 6:70).
    Judas is called devil—not a devil. In the original it is: "One of you is devil [Diabolis]. Diabolis is the devil and Satan. He does not say that Judas is a demon, but devil... Judas then, will be the Antichrist. The spirit of the Antichrist (when the Spirit of God, which now hindereth, will be taken away) will enter once more into mankind and cause to be born another freak half man and half devil who will be the incarnation of the devil.
    I do not agree with Dr. DeHaan on this issue, although I have tremendous admiration for him as a Bible teacher, and certainly as a genuine man of God. I do not believe that Judas was a "freak half man and half devil." Nor do I believe that the coming Antichrist will be a "freak half man and half devil." To believe as such would mean that Judas had NO earthly father. This is not possible, nor Scriptural. Neither will the Antichrist be without an earthly father. I certainly don't believe that Judas will be the Antichrist. Jesus Christ is the only human being ever born, or that ever will be born, without an earthly father (Isaiah 7:14; Hebrews 7:3).
    Dr. DeHaan attempts to use Revelation 13:15 to support his doctrine that the Antichrist will literally be Satan incarnate, by pointing out that Satan will bring the image of the Beast to life. He states on page 139..
    "Moreover the devil has power to give life (by permission). He is said to give life to the image of the beast (Rev. 13)..."
    It is important to notice that the "image" in Revelation 13:15 is created by MEN in Revelation 13:14, as a tribute to the beast. The Beast will not give life to a human being, nor to a living organism; but rather, to a mere object made by men. I simply do not believe that this Scripture can rightfully be used to imply that the Devil can give human life. If Dr. DeHaan is correct, then Satan will be allowed by God to create a human life. John 1:3 contradicts such a theory..."All things were made by him [Jesus]; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Satan cannot create anything, for he is a created being himself (Ezekiel 28:13). Satan will simply give "movement" to the image, but he will not be able to create actual life, which only Jesus Christ can do (Acts 17:25).

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  14. Satan has been trying to imitate Christ in every way throughout history, but he has failed. Keep in mind that Jesus performed the works He did, as no other man ever did, to prove to mankind that He was God in the flesh... "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause" (John 15:24,25). The Antichrist WON'T be able to heal amputees, or create biological life. Only Jesus can create life, and heal amputees. Please read my article, Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
    Revelation 13:15 states...
    "And he had power to give LIFE unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
    We read in Acts 17:25 that Jesus Christ gives "life" to all...
    "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all LIFE, and breath, and all things."
    The word "life" in Acts 20:25 is the Greek zoe, which means, life real and genuine. Only Jesus Christ can give real and genuine life (John 14:6 uses the same word, zoe). In contrast, the "life" which the Beast gives in Revelation 13:15 is the Greek word pneuma which can have broad meaning, from referring to God's Spirit to nothing more than the breath of nostrils, or wind movement. The "life" which the Beast gives to the image built by men in Revelation 13:15 is likely referring to his ability to CONTROL the image, which will cause as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed. Even now, Homeland Security in the U.S. is implementing security monitors in airports, with emotion-recognition technology, which raises a white flag if it detects someone with suspects emotions. How's that for making people paranoid?

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  15. Remember, the Bible states that men will build this image. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if the image is an advanced high-tech system that monitors masses of people, and identifies those who refuse to comply. To support my theory, though I certainly wouldn't argue the matter, Revelation 13:16 (the next verse) speaks about the Mark Of The Beast, which will be required to buy anything. Certainly this will be some sort of electronic micro-implant, which can be easily scanned, as part of a cashless society. This is why you won't be able to buy anything without the mark. As frightening as this all may sound, the technology is here, and the monsters controlling the world are drooling over it.
    I believe that the Antichrist will be a normal man, who will be 100% sold out to Satan. There are many such men in the world today, with no conscience, no morals, no concern for the poor, no regard for God, no loyalty to anyone except them self. There are millions of men alive today who could easily be the Antichrist, for their hearts are already completely possessed of the Devil. I do agree 100% with Dr. DeHaan that the Antichrist CANNOT appear until AFTER the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church, for we read in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3...
    "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
    As long as the Body of Christ, i.e., the Church, is in this sinful world, we will expose the Antichrist and hinder the occult from coming out of their closet. And that's what's happening today. After centuries of "hiding" (which is what "occult" means), Satan is inspiring his followers to come out of hiding, evidenced by the plethora of occult symbols we see today everywhere we look. The New World Order is here, and the Lord's return must precede the arrival of the Antichrist. The Church is fast asleep, false prophets are everywhere, and apostasy has set in like rigor mortis. Surely the Lord's return must be near.
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

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  16. Hans Steijnhagen
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I think these questions must be answered: WHY is it so important to know HOW these giants came into existence?
    And is it really important?

    The footnotes of the Geneva Bible are sometimes quite good:

    Genesis 6:1-131599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    6 3 God threateneth to bring the flood. 5 Man altogether corrupt. 6 God repenteth that he made him. 18 Noah and his are preserved in the Ark, which he was commanded to make.
    1 So when men began to be multiplied upon the earth, and there were daughters born unto them,
    2 Then the [a]sons of God saw the daughters [b]of men that they were [c]fair, and they took them wives of all that they [d]liked.
    3 Therefore the Lord said, My spirit shall not always [e]strive with man, because he is but flesh, and his days shall be an [f]hundred and twenty years.
    4 There were [g]giants in the earth in those days: yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had borne them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of [h]renown.
    5 When the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and all the imaginations of the thoughts of his heart were only evil [i]continually,
    6 Then it [j]repented the Lord, that he had made man in the earth, and he was sorry in his heart.
    7 Therefore the Lord said, I will destroy from the earth the man, whom I have created, from man [k]to beast, to the creeping thing, and to the fowl of the heaven: for I repent that I have made them.
    8 But Noah [l]found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
    9 These are the [m]generations of Noah: Noah was a just and upright man in his time: and Noah walked with God.
    10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
    11 The earth also was corrupt before God: for the earth was filled with [n]cruelty.
    12 Then God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt: for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    13 And God said unto Noah, [o]An end of all flesh is come before me: for the earth is filled with [p]cruelty [q]through them: and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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  17. Footnotes:

    a Genesis 6:2 The children of the godly, which began to degenerate.
    b Genesis 6:2 Those that came of wicked parents, as of Cain.
    c Genesis 6:2 Having more respect to their beauty and to worldly considerations, than to their manners and godliness.
    d Genesis 6:2 Or, had chosen.
    e Genesis 6:3 Because man could not be won by God’s lenity and long sufferance whereby he strove to overcome him, he would no longer stay his vengeance.
    f Genesis 6:3 Which term God gave man to repent before he would destroy the earth, 1 Pet. 3:20.
    g Genesis 6:4 Or, tyrants.
    h Genesis 6:4 Which usurped authority over others, and did degenerate from that simplicity, wherein their fathers lived.
    i Genesis 6:5 Hebrew, every day.
    j Genesis 6:6 God doth never repent, but he speaketh after our capacity, because he did destroy him, and in that as it were did disavow him to be his creature.
    k Genesis 6:7 God declareth how much he detesteth sin, seeing the punishment thereof extendeth to the brute beasts.
    l Genesis 6:8 God was merciful unto him.
    m Genesis 6:9 Or, history.
    n Genesis 6:11 Meaning, that all were given to the contempt of God, and oppression of their neighbors.
    o Genesis 6:13 Or, I will destroy mankind.
    p Genesis 6:13 Or, oppression and wickedness.
    q Genesis 6:13 Hebrew, from the face of them.

    Verse 13b clearly tells us WHY God had decided to destroy humanity, except Noah and his family: for the earth is filled with [p]cruelty [q]through them: and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    p Genesis 6:13 Or, oppression and wickedness.

    It doesn't say anything about the giants as the so called cause.

    I believe the giants were PART of the problem, but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of the problem.

    But again: do you really believe that God would allow fallen angels to create for themselves MALE bodies with FUNCTIONAL male GENITALIA?
    Hans Steijnhagen
    18:52




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    It's NOT about DNA!
    It's about the lineage of the righteous contra the lineage of the wicked.
    Noah represented the lineage of the righteous, but among his family members the lineage of the wicked was present.
    Hans Steijnhagen
    18:58




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I've watched Jim Staley - The "Sons of God" and the Nephilim, and this is my verdict: Jim Staley is a FAIRY TALE teller and he's a deceiver on this matter.
    He often says "the Bible says", when he means to say 'I Jim Staley say'.

    "Jacob Prasch is a Hebrew/Greek scholar and he has studies his Jewish history as well. I believe Jacob knows more than these people who have a problem believing possibilities

    So he is INFALLABLE?

    Don't follow people and don't even believe what I say, but let your teacher be JESUS PERSONALLY.

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  18. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I believe a LOT of fallen angels (or devils or demons) are active on earth, and just like Satan they were created as GOOD angels and angels are SERVANTS.

    After Light bearer (Lucifer) rebelled against God, he was able to persuade ONE THIRD of the angels to follow him in his rebellion, but TWO THIRD remained loyal to God = JESUS!
    This is VERY important to know, because this means that Satan is ALWAYS on the losing end.

    God didn't create bad angels and certainly not to terrorize us.

    Angels are PERSONALITIES, just like you and me, and fallen angels are CRIMINALS who belong in JAIL.

    Only one type of jail is able to hold these criminals forever and that's the lake of fire, also called the 2nd death=eternal separation from God.

    People are meant to be LIKE the angels, and CONDEMNED people, after the Final Judgement, will also end up in this eternal jail with their resurrected, supernatural bodies, and we, as God's ELECT, wil dwell on the NEW Earth and in the NEW (ENORMOUS) Jerusalem, with our resurrected supernatural bodies.

    I believe a lot of fallen angels are busy in NATURE, and just watch some realistic videos on YouTube about cruelty among WILD animals, and then you must ask yourself this question: where did these animals get this cruelty from?
    I believe from the fallen angels, who were willing to go into the pigs, after JESUS had cast out the many demons who were inside of The Gerasene Demoniac https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+5%3A1-17%2CLuke+8%3A26-37&version=GNV

    From this story we know that demons/devil/fallen angels are so very rotten that they don't mind to dwell in animals, but of course they prefer to use humans.

    They are most certainly active within the monsters of ISIS!

    After JESUS' return no fallen angel will be able to possess humans and animals anymore and then there will be PEACE on earth for a thousand years on THIS old earth, which will be done with after the FINAL rebellion at the end of the 1000 years of peace, when God will allow a final temptation among the last generation that will inhabit this world, and keep in mind that people will still be mortal who live on earth, but they will have very long lives and they'll also procreate, so this final generation will not have experienced the return of JESUS a 1000 years earlier, and they will be susceptible to Satan's last rebellious SUGGESTIONS.
    This rebellion will be quickly precipitated, and then the Final Judgement will commence.

    In the meantime we will be CITIZENS of HEAVEN and we will already be LIKE the angels since the RAPTURE, 1007 years earlier.

    We will CO-JUDGE fallen angels and people!
    We are meant to be kings and priests UNDER JESUS!

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  19. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

    "But the Bible says those who left their first estate ARE IN hell
    , Tatarus, so you don't believe your Bible. THEY ARE ALL LOCKED UP UNTIL THE JUDGEMENT, so what-ever is terrorizing people ARE NOT THE FALLEN ANGELS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. "

    According to YOUR interpretation of the Bible!

    Angels which kept not their first estate?
    https://www.thisisyourbible.com/index.php?page=questions&task=show&mediaid=2857

    Joyce, believe what you want, but fallen angels are VERY active at the moment and for example they don't want you to know the truth about Genesis 6, and they also don't want you to know about the fact that the Jewish people never ceased to be God's chosen people.

    Protestantism is mixed with Roman Catholicism and for example Martin Luther was a reformer but also a heretic: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Lutherans/truth_about_martin_luther.htm

    "I don't believe the condemned get resurrected bodies"

    Well, before they can be judged, they must be resurrected, don't you think?
    And because those who will be condemned at the Final Judgement, will experience this torture forever , this can only be possible when they have supernatural bodies, made out of different matter than their old earthly bodies.

    JESUS Himself teaches that we are meant to be LIKE or AS (depending on the translation) the angels:

    Matthew 22:29-30 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    29 Then Jesus answered, and said unto them, Ye are deceived, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry wives, nor wives are bestowed in marriage, but are as the Angels of God in heaven.


    "I believe the devils that possess people are disembodied spirits that were wiped out by the flood and by war. I believe they never had souls so they cannot go to heaven or be redeemed.

    This is more like coming from a horror story than from the Bible!

    "I believe what the bible says"

    To me you are saying: 'I believe what the the Bible says is according to my interpretation'.

    Of course the fallen angels had a HUGE impact on the people that lived before the Flood, but also after the Flood and in fact from the time Adam and Eve were driven out of Paradise, because ONE THIRD of all the angels chose to follow ADVERSARY=SATAN.

    God was VERY SMART by introducing the Babylonian confusion of tongues, because through this policy He generated a discord among mankind and this diminished to power of Satan who always wants to unite humanity against God.

    And even nowadays, when English has in fact become the main language of the Roman Empire=the Vatican NWO, there are still many people who can't speak or understand English at all.

    So Satan has now his ONE WORLD LANGUAGE, which is ENGLISH, but still he isn't really able to win the hearts and minds of all people on earth.

    Before the Babylonian confusion of tongues, it was very simple for him and his fallen angels to lead mankind, but God made it much more difficult, after thereafter.

    I mean: I'm writing this in my best English, but I'm thinking in Dutch, and I'm not always sure whether I really make myself understandable in your version of the English language, because as you know, there are several versions of English, as there are also different versions of Dutch.

    But there is only ONE Bible.

    But there are many translations of the original manuscripts, which is very confusing at times.

    But you know what Joyce?

    I want to be your BROTHER and not your FATHER or your HUSBAND!

    Be HONEST to me if you don't like me.

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  20. FYI: I just had an article published in a Christian Apologetics Journal which is titled "Serpent Seed of Satan," see here:
    http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/serpent-seed-satan-article-christian-apologetics-journal

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