maandag 15 februari 2016

Why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen?


When God put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were both innocent and good. Yet, God allowed Satan into the Garden knowing that Satan would tempt Eve and that they would both end up sinning. Why did He do that?

On my radio show, an atheist called in and tried to trap me by posing a moral dilemma. He was smart enough not to appeal to his own atheistic moral standard, so he tried a different tact. He asked if I believed it was wrong to put a murderer and child molestor in a room with a child, knowing how bad the guy was and knowing what could happen. I said that it would be wrong to do so. He then applied that to God allowing Satan in the Garden and how that it is also wrong because God knew what would happen. Unfortunately, the criticism doesn't work. Here's why.

First of all, Adam was not a child. He was a grown man. He had--to some degree--knowledge of right and wrong because God had told him not to eat of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil. In other words, Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey. That is what the issue is about--not physical size in comparing a full grown bad guy and a small defenseless child. Adam made a moral choice, a wrong choice. So, the analogy doesn't work.

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Excuse me, sir, I don't know you, I likely never will, and I'm not sure I want to, but DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?! Yes, yes, some explanations are that a day in the Lord is as a thousand years or that they died spiritually that day, but think about it; God said that Adam and Eve would die if they ate the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and they did, physically. "They did?" I hear you asking. Yes, they did. Did God ever say that they would die as soon as they ate the fruit? No, He did not, and look at it, they did die, because do you see them walking around today? And if you say that's a "broad interpretation", look at the rest of Scripture! God is almost always, if not always, very specific and precise when He speaks to people, yet he NEVER SAID that Adam and Eve would die immediately, but because they ate the fruit, they did die, eventually. Next, did they gain wisdom when they ate the fruit? No. They gained KNOWLEDGE but not WISDOM. And I don't even think their knowledge came from eating the fruit, it came from performing an evil act, which had never been performed before. Now, why did God put the Tree in the Garden in the first place? Again, think about it, God wanted humans to be different from the beasts, to have FREEDOM OF CHOICE. If you have two people living in the perfect world, with no evil anywhere in sight, do they really have a choice between good and evil? No. They don't. In such a situation, they MUST choose good, because only good exists. God wants us to CHOOSE to follow him, not to follow him blindly simply because there's no other option! Finally, OF COURSE God punished Adam, Eve, and the Serpent, and cursed the Earth! Adam, Eve, and the Serpent betrayed and disobeyed him, especially Adam and Eve, since we know the Serpent is Satan, who had already betrayed God. There was NO PAIN in childbirth before the fall! The land was easier to work with! And after the flood, God did NOT lift that curse! When God said he would "not again curse the ground any more for man's sake" He meant that he wouldn't curse the ground AGAIN! He wouldn't cause it to be EVEN HARDER to plant! LOOK AT IT!! The word used isn't "anymore" it's "any more". They have different meanings! That is all.

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Jacob Prasch - Antichrist Part 2 of 3
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Hans S
Feb 13, 2016
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
OF COURSE no one is saved apart from JESUS the Messiah and I've never suggested something like that.
But what WILL HAPPEN, which will be UNIQUE among all the peoples and tribes, is that JESUS will GUARANTEED save ONE THIRD of His people in the land of Israel at His 2nd coming:

Zechariah 13:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
8 And in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off, and die: but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring that third part through the fire, and will fine them as the silver is fined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my Name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Zechariah 13:9 World English Bible (WEB)
9 I will bring the third part into the fire,
    and will refine them as silver is refined,
    and will test them like gold is tested.
They will call on my name, and I will hear them.
    I will say, ‘It is my people;’
    and they will say, ‘Yahweh is my God.’”

'Yahweh' is also not the right translation as it is in the case of 'The Lord' in the KJV and the GNV.

I AM (who I AM) is the name of God and we know that JESUS means 'I AM SALVATION'

Then this blessed REMNANT will SEE with their own eyes that 'I AM', who came to RESCUE them, is JESUS, or in their OWN language: YESHUA.

No, I had not heard of David Hocking before, but I will check him out, okay?












































JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 2:19 AM
+Hans S We are NEITHER Jew nor Gentile...NEITHER means not a Jew and not a Gentile. The word of God never says the body of Christ are become JEWS.
We are not JEWS. We are not Jewish, We are not Israel. We are not the twelve tribes of Israel. We do not have the Jewish traditions. We do not follow Jewish law as a set apart nation of priests.
We are adopted, married and born into the family of God. Not into Jews. New wine into NEW WINE SKINS.
Is God the GOD of the Jews only? Or the God of the whole WORLD?
The gospel went to the Jew first and then to us Gentiles. Both of these are not the same thing and one does not replace the other or become the other.
If we are Jews aka Israel then we are the 1/3 who go through the fire....or are there two Israels? Are there spiritual and physical children of Israel? Who does God say are the children of Abraham? Those who BELIEVE with circumcised hearts. Who are the heathen? They are UNBELIEVERS even if they think they were born Jewish.

What do you think Messiah Jesus thinks of people worshiping a pagan nation of sinners? People who want to send the Jews to Israel are sending them all to where the antichrist wants them.

Jacob Prasch said it is like sending them to aushowitcz 











Hans S
Yesterday 3:31 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Oh, how IMPERFECT this way of communicating is!
In heaven we'll understand each other without words, and language barriers, which God has created Himself, are also non-existent there.
I'm exactly talking according to the Bible:

Romans 2:29 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
29 But he is a Jew which is one within, and the circumcision is of the heart, in the spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

So here you are, and this means we're JEWS.

Many years ago a Dutch evangelist, who's now awaiting the resurrection of the dead and the rapture, explained to me what a Jew is: a God worshiper, and with God he meant the one and only God of Israel and the Bible.
Of course we know the word Jew also refers to the tribe of Judah, but in essence a Jew is a God-worshiper.

Go made a people who were meant to be worshiping Him.

Yes, I know we are not Israel, and if there is one who is against the replacement theology lie, then it is me.

Nobody but GOD is sending the Jews to Israel and no Jew in Israel is automatically meant to be a victim of the Antichrist.

Those who will CHOOSE by their OWN FREE WILL to accept the Mark of the Beast out of convenience, must bear the consequences, just as the non-Jews who will be so STUPID to do so!

But ONE THIRD of God's people in Israel will REFUSE to accept the Mark, and they will be protected by God and nourished, just as He did after His people came out of Egypt, the Exodus.

This is the meaning of the woman in Revelation 12! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2014/07/the-woman-in-revelation-12-lord-have.html

Jacob Prasch is looking at it from a very NEGATIVE point of view!

That's because he's talking from his JEWISH FLESH!

I see it from JESUS' point of view!

I can also see it from a CARNAL point of view if I CHOOSE to do so, because MOST of my relatives are UNSAVED.

Even my own mother isn't saved.

Must I be happy while imagining that's she's BURNING IN HELL!

But people and fallen angels who'll burn in hell have chosen AGAINST their own maker, because they were REBELLIOUS SPIRITS.

Btw: that video 'Tim Alberino: Proof of Genesis 6' is interesting, but I don't believe in fallen angels who had sex with earthly women, which generated the giants.

I don't believe that's possible because fallen angels are intelligent, but not intelligent enough to be able to BREAK the CODE of DNA/RNA in full.

God is the author of this 'play' and He doesn't make creatures who can OUTSMART Him!

NO WAY!

And if Eve hadn't been so STUPID then JESUS wouldn't have to die such a ROTTEN DEATH on the cross, the satanic Babylonian symbol for the SUN.

But without Eve's crime, and subsequently Adam's FOOLISHNESS, there wouldn't have been procreation and we wouldn't have been here, in this IMPERFECT world and on this IMPERFECT internet, which is being ruled by SATAN, because Adam and Eve were COMPLETELY UNINTERESTED in SEX, because they were LIKE CHILDREN in Paradise, even though they were NAKED, because they were just 'too happy'.

Sex became a need AFTER the Fall!

So the Fall of man was in fact FUNCTIONAL, because only then procreation started, because DEATH is the trigger for procreation.

Ah, now I hear Satan saying 'so actually I did something GOOD when I tempted Eve into DISOBEDIENCE....thank you Hans, I knew you were on my side....'.

But then I say; 'Satan, you're such a FOOL: can't you see that God has USED you in order to achieve His goal? You thought you were smarter than Him, but in fact God has tricked you because now He will be born out of a woman, a virgin, of His chosen people, and exactly according to MANY prophesies, and as JESUS He will DEFEAT you through His obedience to His OWN commandments and through His OWN BLOOD!'.

The clue is that God can't save fallen angels, but He can save humans and animals, because He died on the cross as the LAMB of God.

Not as the ANGEL of God, but as the LAMB of God, and a Lamb is an ANIMAL!











JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 12:44 PM
+Hans S Stick with the scripture. "a jew is a God worshipper" is someone's cliche, it's a nice thought but it is not God's words.
No, read God's words and see the truth.
The Jews were a nation of people God called out and used to bring the Messiah. God dealt with them in history, for real. And Gentiles could become members of the  chosen nation.
But there is no chosen people now, the nation is scattered. The nation fell.
NOW God says you are ALL heathen to me unless you believe.
The work is all done, it is up to each individual to make a choice. We do not become Jews.
We do not take any thing away from the complete work of Christ and we do not add anything to it. And we do not confuse who we are, we are sinners saved by grace. Boast in the Cross of Christ.











JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 12:56 PM
Get your facts straight, GOD TOLD ADAM AND EVE TO MULTIPLY BEFORE SIN CAME ALONG.

Sex is not a sin. What kind of a warped idea is this, procreation became necessary after the fall??????
SO YOU ARE SAYING GOD TOLD ADAM AND EVE
NO,.... GOD COMMANDED ADAM AND EVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE UNTIL AFTER SIN?











JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 1:03 PM
Eve was stupid, she was deceived. But Adam willingly disobeyed KNOWING WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS WRONG. The SIN didn't happen until ADAM SINNED.
ADAM COMMITTED THE CRIME.











Hans S
Yesterday 6:15 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Thanks for your comments!

God wants to be worshiped, and He has every right as the creator to be wanting this from His creatures, because without Him they wouldn't exist.

He started with Abraham when He created a special people of God-worshipers, while all the other peoples were worshiping false gods, and unknowingly they were worshiping Satan.

We can do word games, but that's the whole purpose of being a Jew and a worshiper of JESUS the JEW.

JESUS is the WORD of God and He's not some computer program or a BOOK.

Of course God's chosen people never ceased to exist: who has told you otherwise?

Satan?

Satan HATES God's chosen people and he always wants to annihilate them, but too bad for him, because God=JESUS won't let this happen.

During the 20th century Roman Catholic INQUISITION from 1914 till 1945 Satan murdered one third of the Jews, because there were about 18 million Jews back then before the Holocaust or the Shoah.

He not just murdered them through his human slaves, but in many cases they were burnt alive in the Nazi-ovens as a sacrifice to him. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/11/the-hideous-crimes-of-popes.html

Nowadays there are again about 18 million Jews and most of them are still living outside of Israel.

God = JESUS wants them to return to the land of their forefathers.

Eventually this will happen.

You really believe the current nation of Israel isn't God's project, but a project of the devil and the Vatican NWO.

Well you're wrong, and didn't you know that God even uses the devil  in order to get what He wants?

Whether Satan likes it or not, he's still God's creation and a servant, and God is much smarter than him.

God is the 'author of the play' and He's going to show you and everybody else that He's in control and that things will go HIS WAY.

Now you say Eve wasn't a CRIMINAL (= a transgressor) when she was the FIRST human who listened to Satan, but you're wrong about that too, because that's why women aren't allowed to have authority over men, within the Body of Christ, as a REMINDER.

Unfortunately many women will never listen, and that why there's so much misery within the Body of Christ, and within marriages.

My ex is a 'good' example of that!

After a relation of more than 30 years she told me she 'wasn't fit for marriage'.

No, that wasn't the truth: she just wants to go her OWN way.

Her best friend is now a woman who doesn't believe in God-the Lord JESUS, she knows through work.

When I told my 87 year old mother about it she said 'Oh, maybe she has become a LESBIAN?'

Who knows...

Of course Adam was a CRIMINAL too, but Eve was the first.

But that wasn't my point: my point is that without the Fall of man, the MECHANISM of PROCREATION wouldn't have been activated, DESPITE God's COMMAND to MULTIPLY.

Have you ever met NORMAL CHILDREN who are interested in sex?

And I mean children before they are sexually awakened.

Well I haven't, and from my own experience I KNOW that a child isn't interested in sex, but in playing and learning and exploring and having fun, just as it goes in the animal 'kingdom'.

When I was attending kindergarten I was in love with a girl called Nancy, and she was also in love with me.

Our 'sex' was that she allowed me to kiss her on her cheek!

That was it and it was GREAT!

I believe Adam and Eve were highly intelligent, but MENTALLY they were like CHILDREN.

When did I ever say that sex is a sin?

Tell me!

JESUS is God and He's the creator of everything and also of sexuality, so this means it's obviously NOT a sin. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2014/02/lets-talk-about-human-vagina.html

BUT...God had a BIG PROBLEM, because Adam and Eve weren't procreating and I believe this goes for the animals too.

Another MECHANISM was needed, and this mechanism is also a creation by the God-the Lord JESUS and it's called DEATH!

Death is a FORCE and it creates a SEPARATION between God's realm and our FALLEN dimension.

But death didn't exist in Paradise, so something HAD to HAPPEN.

And this was the FALL of man, and before that the FALL of MORNING STAR, we now know as ADVERSARY=SATAN.

Learn more about it: A sickly jealous morning star http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/09/a-sickly-jealous-morning-star.html

So my point is that the Fall of man in fact solved the problem, and Adam and Eve and nature would start to procreate, but this also meant that God had to take RESPONSIBILITY for ALLOWING this to happen, because He could have cast Satan into the lake of fire, BEFORE he ever had been able to entice Eve and Adam, but instead God ALLOWED Satan to tempt Adam and Eve, as He also ALLOWED Satan to tempt JESUS in the wilderness.

JESUS PROVED as a REAL human, that it's possible to withstand Satan under the most horrendous circumstances and also during the rest of His mission on earth, and especially in the Garden of Gethsemane and at the cross!

People may ACCUSE God of wrongdoing, but their accusations are POINTLESS, because JESUS NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR SINNED!

This is His VICTORY over His adversary, Satan.

Now all He wants from us is to follow Him in His footsteps and LEARN from Him, keeping in mind that we are meant to be like the ANGELS.

Bye, future angel JOYCE: I love you: do you love me too?











+Hans S Brains

Psalms 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

Verse 99 is a terror to all Christian educators. It implies that any dumb Christian who BELIEVES the Word of God can get to know God and the bible better than a Greek or Hebrew scholar who spends his time correcting the book.
Verse 100 suggest that any man who BELIEVES and FOLLOWS the book will gain wisdom and understanding which cannot be found in the "scriptures" of other religions or the ancient "wisdom literature" of the east. It is also missing from the writings and commentaries of every "Bible scholar" who makes his living correcting the book.
(RRB pg.852)


Matthew 21:15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the son of David; they were sore displeased, 21:16 And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

"Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings.” This penetrating quotation says so much that it says too much. The quotation is from Psalm 8:2, and it tallies with Isaiah 29:12, 28:9; and Psalm 131. The long and short of the matter is that God is not interested in showing a smart-aleck priest, rabbi, or scholar anything worth knowing. He is interested in revealing the deep things and the “hidden truths” to babies (see Luke 10:21). Thus the “babe in Christ” (1 Pet. 2:1–4) has access to wisdom that the Rosicrucians, Christian Scientists, Bodhisattvas, Sadhus, Astronauts, Gurus, Cheldas, Lamas, and nuclear physicists do not have.

In all the passages cited (Isaiah, Psalms, and Luke) the refrain is the same: God reveals doctrinal truth to people who come to Him as little children and simply believe what He tells them, because He said it. By such a standard, we can understand readily why Greek and Hebrew scholarship and “better translations” have bogged down in the mire of apostasy. All these “newer translations” (with their translators) take for granted that they are intelligent, enlightened, highly intellectual jobs. None pay the slightest attention to the fact that God does not reveal things to smart-alecks. The people, who recognized in Christ “the son of David” and accepted Him as Lord and Christ (Acts 2:34–37), were the common, ordinary, everyday people of the streets (Mark 12:37). The educated class of long-robed priests and liberal Sadducees crucify Him on religious grounds (Matt. 26:53–68). How can one explain this? There is only one explanation: God gives light and understanding to the “babes and sucklings” who are just “dumb” enough to believe what He says, but He BLINDS the “wise and prudent” on the grounds that they are stuck on themselves (see John 9:39–41). After all, PRIDE is the sin that keeps any man from believing the Bible or repenting or receiving Christ or leaving an apostate Church, or going “without the camp, bearing his reproach.”

-Ruckman











Genesis 1:28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The idea that Adam and Eve would not procreate before the devil and sin comes from GNOSTICISM.

I SAY STICK TO THE SCRIPTURES, STICK TO THE WORDS OF GOD stop adding your own take onto it, you are inferior to God, you can be wrong. If you want to know God and know truth STOP INTERPRETING it and study it with the obedience of a child who wants his FATHER to reveal the truth to him.

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR OPINIONS AND COMMENTS AND STORIES AND CRITICISMS but I will stick to the WORD of GOD.











P/S       God does NOT have any problems.

Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.











If you stick with the text, I know you don't believe the sons of God are not humans but when you read that the "sons of God" were with God when He created (and before He made man) in Job 38:7 and that Giants were a result of the union between the "sons of God" and the daughters of Adam (mankind) and you also add the second witness text in Daniel that says "they" will not mix with the "seed of men" (something that must be something OTHER THAN the seed of men) Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST you would take GOD AT HIS WORD and see these are divine created beings OTHER THAN MANKIND. And the more you study the more you see in the word of God how even though we call them ANGELS, the old testament calls them MEN everywhere in the text and even in the NT.
Why does God call the BEINGS that are with Him in the manifestations MEN? Do they resemble MEN so much? And in the NT when it says you have entertained ANGELS UNAWARE, how is it possible unless they resemble MEN?
And when Jesus said they DO NOT marry, He did not say THEY CANNOT.
But I am sure  you have studied all these things out for yourself and also the Hebrew words used for daughters of Adam (mankind) in order for you to get the proper understanding regardless of your mental prejudices towards the obvious textual comprehension.
+Hans











Hans S
8:59 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Joyce, a simple question: did Eve get pregnant before the Fall?

We know from the BIBLE that the FIRST time she became pregnant was AFTER the Fall of Man, so the answer is no.

Again: this doesn't mean there's something bad about sexuality, beause God-the Lord JESUS is the maker of this biological mechanism among humans, animals and vegetation, and I simply use my God-given common sense to conclude that Adam and Eve didn't have sex YET before their fall.

I use my God-given LOGIC when I conclude that the introduction of DEATH  started the need to REPLACE what would DIE, while in Paradise NOTHING died, because the force called DEATH wasn't active in the Garden of Eden.

Not only new life would replace mortals, but God would be able to create an enormous amount of SOULS which can be saved, because this dimension is only a temporary state compared to eternity.

I didn't use gnosticism when I wrote my previous comments.

"God reveals doctrinal truth to people who come to Him as little children and simply believe what He tells them, because He said it."

Amen!

You misunderstood me: a 'problem' is a CHALLENGE and I know God-the Lord JESUS as the great PROBLEM-SOLVER!











+Hans S How long was it between the fall and their being created?
You don't know, it could have been less than a day....and of course the fall happened before they had children, otherwise the children would be sinless sons of God and not created in the image of fallen Adam.
You are free to believe as you like but please stop pushing your opinion on everyone else who disagrees with you.
I will alway trump with God's word over your opinion.











Life and death were the choices in the garden, don't you remember there was a tree of life also?











Hans S
10:29 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "but please stop pushing your opinion on everyone else who disagrees with you"

I can exactly say the same about you and other believers in JESUS.

Every INDIVIDUAL needs to be TESTED, so that's another reason that Adam and Eve didn't have sex and Eve didn't have pregnancy before the Fall.

The story of Cain and Abel is illustrative of that, and unfortunately Cain listened to Satan and he failed the test.
His younger brother, even though he was a sinner too, stood the test, because he loved God and he had the 'fear of God'.

Again: I love you: do you love me too?











Hans S
10:34 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "Life and death were the choices in the garden".

The situation of the tree of Life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in the CENTER of the Garden of Eden, was a SIMPLE OBEDIENCE TEST.

We know from the Bible that Adam and Eve failed the test.

We know from the Bible that the 'last Adam', JESUS, stood EVERY test.

1 Corinthians 15:45 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
45 As it is also written, The first man Adam was made a living soul: and the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.






















Hans S
1:27 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
God knows, but long enough for Adam to name all the animals and to give this information to Eve after her creation.
And from Adam,  Eve heard about the ONLY commandment God had given: don't eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or you will die.

Again: I love you: do you love me too?











+Hans S Adam named all the animals before he was given Eve, that is how he realized there was no one for him, (read the text) and since Adam and Eve were both made on the Sixth day because on the Seventh day when God rested He was done creating (which means He did NO MORE creating) it means that the devil could have easily showed up the same day as soon as Eve was made.
It doesn't say where Adam was when Eve ate the fruit, but it says Eve gave some to her husband, for all we know she ate it right in front of him and he didn't stop her but rather than her going looking for him, possibly he was right there with her the entire time, and when she handed him some he ate it with her.
So as you study the text you see they might have been in the garden only moments before satan deceived them.

OR ARE YOU GOING TO NOT TAKE GOD AT HIS WORD?











Hans S
3:42 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
I believe Adam and Eve were always together, because they LOVED each other and they enjoyed each others presence, and it's correct they were both created on the 6th day, after Adam finished giving all the animals a name, and after finding out there was no helper for him (in order to multiply), and after God had said:

Genesis 2:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
18 Also the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be himself alone: I will make him an help meet for him.

The Fall of Man is described in Genesis 3.

I don't believe there was already 'trouble in Paradise' on the 6th day BEFORE the 7th day, the Sabbath:

Genesis 1:311 599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
31 And God saw all that he had made, and lo, it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

'It was very good', it says.

Genesis 2 also confirms everything was still GOOD up to and including the Sabbath.

So the DISASTER happened AFTER the Sabbath, and MAYBE on the FIRST day of the week, we now know as the SUN-day, the Roman Catholic FALSE Sabbath.

Who knows?

God knows!

Do you love me as your brother in Christ JESUS?







Hans S
Yesterday 4:34 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

"If you stick with the text, I know you don't believe the sons of God are not humans but when you read that the "sons of God" were with God when He created (and before He made man) in Job 38:7 and that Giants were a result of the union between the "sons of God" and the daughters of Adam (mankind) and you also add the second witness text in Daniel that says "they" will not mix with the "seed of men" (something that must be something OTHER THAN the seed of men) Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

I don't believe God created the angels with the ability to procreate.

But there are good explanations for what happened in Genesis 6:

Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be

The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE!
http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html






JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 5:04 PM
I don't believe as you do that "sex became necessary after the fall" I believe what God says.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
He created the earth to be INHABITED and not just by two people, He gave it to Adam and Eve to "replenish".
Which means to FILL.
His whole purpose from the beginning of creation for the earth was to FILL IT UP WITH INHABITANTS.

Since this was a command to them from God (and not just a suggestion) it would have been a sin for them to disobey this command also. They did not need death or sin to procreate. The fact that Eve conceived children after the fall is a testimony to how short a time it was between their creation and fall.

Not to mention that no where in the scripture is there found any thing to agree with your idea that God used the devil to force them to have sex because they were like children. In fact the contrary is more likely, they were created perfect, which means they were highly intelligent and their sexuality was godly perfect. It is important to UNDERSTAND this FACT that they were PERFECT.
Because so many people claim that they would NOT have screwed up in the garden if they were the one there, but they neglect to see that we are all diminishing over many generations, far removed from the perfection that was created. If perfect people could not obey the one simple command to NOT eat from the tree, how could one of us in our fallen state do better?










Hans S
Yesterday 6:13 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Somehow you deliberately choose to want to misunderstand me, and you also want to misinterpret my words, because you said "God used the devil to force them to have sex because they were like children" as if this is the essence of what I've told you.

Adam and Eve were NOT perfect!

Who told you so they were perfect and where can we read this in the Bible?

Only JESUS is perfect!

If they had been perfect they would have obeyed.

Yes, they were highly intelligent, but as inexperienced as little children.

JESUS is God and He has the knowledge of good and evil, and Adam and Eve didn't have this knowledge, and Eve was the first who wanted to have this knowledge by eating from the forbidden fruit, believing the SUGGESTION by Satan the Serpent that she would NOT die, which is a LIE.

I believe Adam waited to see what happened to Eve after she had eaten from the forbidden fruit, and when he saw that nothing negative seemed to have happened to her, this encouraged him to take from her and also eat of the forbidden fruit.

But then he discovered a SPIRITUAL CHANGE within him and he began te be ASHAMED of his nakedness and Eve too, and so they hid in the foliage and they made themselves 'clothes' of fig tree leaves:

Genesis 3:7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
7 Then the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sewed fig tree leaves together, and made themselves breeches.

Genesis 3:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

If sex is so wonderful and great, why didn't JESUS marry a woman and have sexual intercourse with a her and why didn't He procreate Himself?

Why did He need MEN to do the 'dirty work' for Him?

Why was the Apostle Paul a man who never had sex with a woman, and why is this in the Bible?:

Revelation 14:4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
4 These are they which are not defiled with women: for they are virgins: these follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth: these are bought from men, being the firstfruits unto God, and unto the Lamb.


Definitions of defile (from Google translate):
verb
sully, mar, or spoil.
the land was defiled by a previous owner
synonyms: spoil, sully, mar, impair, debase, degrade, poison, taint, tarnish, destroy, ruin

This doesn't sound POSITIVE.

Or what about this?:

Ecclesiastes 7:28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
28 And I find more bitter than death the woman whose heart is as nets and snares, and her hands as bands: he that is good before God, shall be delivered from her, but the sinner shall be taken by her.

But I believe that the concept of sexuality and procreation is GOOD.

But it's something for THIS dimension between heaven and earth and angels don't have sexual organs and they don't procreate and we are meant to be LIKE the angels and in eternity there will be NO sex.

So this is why I believe the Fall was FUNCTIONAL and otherwise JESUS couldn't have been born out of a VIRGIN (young) woman and He couldn't have become the HERO of the 'story'.

God=JESUS is the 'author of His own play'.

Yes, come up with more criticism, but THREE times I've asked you whether you love me and the fourth time I've asked you whether you love me as you brother in JESUS and you didn't answer, so I conclude the answer is NO.

So if you don't want to love me, you have a SUPERIORITY COMPLEX and then we'll have NO PARTY in heaven together!

Btw: Jim Beckwith also believes in the MADNESS of 'angels who had sex with earthly women', generating the Giants of Genesis 6!?!





JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 6:29 PM
This godly Sethite line? Does that mean that Cain was from the serpent seed? Do you see how foolish the Sethite view is? How on earth are Seth's line any better than Cain's ? Why did God destroy all of Seth's line in the flood with Cain's then? Why does God say the daughters were human but the sons were "of God" and this is the difference. Mankind was not able to become a new creation until AFTER the Christ. Even Seth and his sons could not be "born again" until after Jesus Christ. No one was "born again" until after Christ. So the "sons of God" new creations of the New Testament are not the same "sons of God" in the Old Testament.
Everyone in the OT is a direct creation of God. And this is how you compare scripture to scripture.
If God meant Seth's line, He would have called them the son's of Seth just the same as He does anyone anywhere else. The fact that He calls them "sons of God" and this same is used for divine creations that were with God at the beginning during creation Job 38 7 means they are non human entities. The fact that God uses the word for mankind (human beings) to describe the daughters rather than Cain's daughters makes it obvious that the difference is human verses godly created beings that are not human. Eve did not have any children that are referred to as "sons of God" her children were in the image of Adam.















Hans S
Yesterday 6:43 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
"Also the Sethite view that you choose to hold"

This a SATANIC SUGGESTION, because I've never mentioned this idea.

You study too much and you want to know everything.

This is how Morning Star became such a pain in the ass.





Hans S
Yesterday 10:53 PM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yes of course the giants were FALLEN beings.

But listen, Joyce: I don't like this whole conversation, and it's clear we disagree on several points, but I want to emphasize the we both believe in the Lord JESUS Christ and that He wants us to LOVE each other.

I believe He's coming soon and I long to be where He is.

I hope and pray we share this wanting to be with Him.

And when we're with Him, we will know everything which He deems to be important to know.

Is it possible to agree on this?





JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yesterday 11:54 PM
+Hans S Of course we long for Him to come!!!
Yes, most definitely!!!
MARANATHA JESUS!
Especially as we see the more and more evil this world is becoming.
You see, the church is not restraining men from evil at all and history shows it never did!

The aka Church, the body of Christ's true believers have always been the tortured victims of this evil world and the prince ruling this world HATES US.

The demons are not afraid of us, they are afraid of HIM! All glory goes to HIM! He has won the victory promised since the beginning of the world.

And soon He will claim His rightful throne and ALL the kingdoms of the earth shall be His. That is why it says the "good news of the kingdom" shall be preached at His return and then the end shall come.
He is not going to be wearing the death crown of thorns, He will be wearing MANY GLORIOUS CROWNS!





Why do you rant that everything you disagree with must be SATANIC?
This is an intimidation technique. It doesn't effect me because I am not satanic!
The "sons of God" are not human, the text goes out of it's way to prove they are NOT human like the daughters are human!
You can reject it and push your opinions on people all day long it doesn't change the facts!
God is perfectly capable of saying """sons of Seth""" verses """daughters of Cain""" if that were what He meant to say!
And Yes Adam and Eve were Perfect! They were WITHOUT SIN!
You called sex "his dirty work"
sounds like you have issues.
The flesh is neutral, sex is a design of God.
Virgins speaks of those who have not worshipped idols or false gods!!!
Fornication and Adultery is always a synonym for idolatry in God's economy!
The woman is the symbol God uses for religions....the harlot Babylon, the woman in the basket is wickedness.
Sex has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Although the devil likes to use perverted sex in paganism, false religious worship, temple prostitutes, etc.
OF COURSE GOD DID NOT MARRY AND HAVE SEX WITH A WIFE.....how perverted is that an idea!! Please.
Just because you don't think ...doesn't make it not true ...that divine beings saw the "daughters of MEN' and married them!!! Maybe they didn't even think it was wrong.
How else does the Bible explain where the GIANTS CAME FROM? No where else, it tells you right there in Genesis 6 it happened "WHEN".....read it, believe it! I didn't write it and THE BIBLE IS NOT SATANIC!
The fact is this is what the Jews always believed and taught from the beginning. The scholars mostly all agree on this!










Hans S
12:31 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Yes, JESUS is indeed the restrainer, and without His presence, through God's Holy Spirit,  we would already be in the world to come, after the rapture!

There are actually believers who think we already live in the Time of Jacob's Trouble, although they like to call this near future era 'the tribulation', but the Time of Jacob's Trouble will be quite different from now, because then world dictatorship will be established (I believe through the Vatican) and all believers in JESUS will be persecuted, so also in the US or in my country.

That is simply not yet the case.

Also: we can still speak our minds about our faith on the internet or through other media, but in the coming world it will no longer be possible to say anything positive about the Lord JESUS!

North Korea is in fact a model for the world to come, because communism was also an invention by the Jesuits, and Pope Francis is also a Marxist.

North Korea is the WORST country for believers in JESUS on earth: http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jul/27/where-in-the-world-is-it-worst-place-to-be-a-christian

I'm really glad we agree on JESUS!





I guess no one has told you yet that it is rude to go posting links on other people's comment sections, if you want to share posts then share them yourself as posts for people to comment on.
It is also very rude to call people satanic just because they don't agree with you. And it is rude to try to force your beliefs on everyone. In fact it is very childish and prideful.
I also do not appreciate being insulted by you.
FIST BUMP BROTHER.
Do you wonder why people keep blocking you? Because you are very rude and somewhat obnoxious. I have been very patient with you up until now.





Also the fact is that science is now able to clone DNA and mix animal and human DNA which is the same problem with the pre-flood corruption of Noah's day. So what makes you think the people in pre-flood were not able to do what we can now do?
I suppose they have already tested the DNA of ancient mummies but they will never tell us if they are non human or a hybrid mix like the Bible describes the six fingered giants were.





Hans S
1:04 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Why do you rant that everything you disagree with must be SATANIC?

> Again: you wrote: "Also the Sethite view that you choose to hold"

I said "This a SATANIC SUGGESTION, because I've never mentioned this idea".

You SUGGESTED I talked about 'the Sethite view' and at first I didn't even know what you were talking about, so I had to look it up.<


This is an intimidation technique. It doesn't effect me because I am not satanic!


>I didn't say you are satanic, but I find such a suggestion hostile and satan means 'adversary'.<


The "sons of God" are not human, the text goes out of it's way to prove they are NOT human like the daughters are human!
You can reject it and push your opinions on people all day long it doesn't change the facts!

>We don't agree on this, Joyce, but believe whatever you want<


God is perfectly capable of saying """sons of Seth""" verses """daughters of Cain""" if that were what He meant to say!
And Yes Adam and Eve were Perfect! They were WITHOUT SIN!

>Correct: Adam and Eve were sinless, but not yet perfect, and that's why God allowed them to be tested, and we know they failed<


You called sex "his dirty work"
sounds like you have issues.

>That's another hostile suggestion, so this says something about you, but keep in mind the purification laws concerning sexuality in the old testament: if sex were so wonderful then these purification laws weren't needed<


The flesh is neutral, sex is a design of God.


>The flesh is NOT neutral and of course is sex a design of God:

 Romans 7:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

18 For I know, that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me: but I find no means to perform that which is good<



Virgins speaks of those who have not worshipped idols or false gods!!!

>I do NOT agree with you on this, but believe whatever you want<


Fornication and Adultery is always a synonym for idolatry in God's economy!
The woman is the symbol God uses for religions....the harlot Babylon, the woman in the basket is wickedness.
Sex has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Although the devil likes to use perverted sex in paganism, false religious worship, temple prostitutes, etc.

>This depends on the passages, and sometimes we have to take it literally, and sometimes if has a spiritual meaning<


OF COURSE GOD DID NOT MARRY AND HAVE SEX WITH A WIFE.....how perverted is that an idea!! Please.


>HUH???? And according to you sex is a design of God, so now you say He made something perverted?

I understand Him, but do you?

You give me the impression you think God is a split personality<


Just because you don't think ...doesn't make it not true ...that divine beings saw the "daughters of MEN' and married them!!! Maybe they didn't even think it was wrong.
How else does the Bible explain where the GIANTS CAME FROM? No where else, it tells you right there in Genesis 6 it happened "WHEN".....read it, believe it! I didn't write it and THE BIBLE IS NOT SATANIC!

>We simply do NOT agree on this, but believe in whatever HORROR STORY you want<


The fact is this is what the Jews always believed and taught from the beginning. The scholars mostly all agree on this!

>Scholars.......you're talking to an EX-ATHEIST!<





Hans S
1:13 AM
+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "I have been very patient with you up until now."

Ah...are you now THREATENING me?

I know you've been blocked by several 'sweet and kind and loving fellow believers' and now you want to block me?

Go ahead and play GOD if you wish.

Don't you see that this is EXACTLY what Satan wants on this STUPID NSA-CIA-Google+ PIECE OF CRAP?

In a REAL and RAW discussion NO ONE is able to block ANYONE!

They've turned everybody into small gods so that they can play in the 'god-mode' on their threads.

"I have been very patient with you up until now."

I can say the SAME concerning you.

But feel free to BLOCK me: you've got the POWER!

GRAB IT!

Feel the RUSH of POWER when you do it!

Yeah, that really will make JESUS happy!

The High Priestly Prayer http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2011/06/het-hogepriesterlijk-gebed-high.html

'Lord JESUS, let's get OUTTA HERE!'

Source... (Joyce has blocked me...)


+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

I see you've deleted your thread.

I was able to save your last comment and my last response:

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JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
3:16 AM


You called sex "his dirty work"
sounds like you have issues.

>That's another hostile suggestion, so this says something about you,

NO, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU...THAT IS WHY YOU SAID IT IS DIRTY WORK.


+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
Puritan English talking people....
I'm DUTCH!

Instead of the term 'dirty work', I could have said 'earthly work'.

But you know what?

JESUS knows exactly what I mean, and He's responsible for the confusion of tongues, so if you don't get what I mean, because I think in Dutch and try to translate it into English, then it's up to Him whether you'll understand what I'm saying.

I mean...a conversation in CHINESE would really be a challenge for me...

For you too, I assume..

Where's your sense of humor, Joyce?

Gone, due to the flu?

But fallen angels can't have sex and procreate with earthly women.

I've had discussions about this on the Dutch internet, and it amazes me that especially people with a Christian-religious church background believe in such NONSENSE.

And in the end people get cold-hearted and they forget all about JESUS, because everybody wants to be right and no one is prepared to say 'I'm wrong'.

I'm mainly interested in God's prophetic word and in the coming of JESUS, because I'm sick and tired of this satanic world.

I envy the dead in Christ who are no longer doing these kinds of stupid discussions.
=================

I don't have to explain anything to JESUS: He knows exactly what I mean.

But lets agree to disagree on non-salvational issues and agree on the main thing: we're LOST without JESUS Christ!



34 opmerkingen:

  1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

    "If you stick with the text, I know you don't believe the sons of God are not humans
    but when you read that the "sons of God" were with God when He created (and before He made man) in Job 38:7 and that Giants were a result of the union between the "sons of God" and the daughters of Adam (mankind) and you also add the second witness text in Daniel that says "they" will not mix with the "seed of men" (something that must be something OTHER THAN the seed of men) Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

    I don't believe God created the angels with the ability to procreate.

    But there are good explanations for what happened in Genesis 6:

    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

    What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be

    The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE!
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html

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  2. You'll have to KILL me if you want me to shut up.
    Why don't you just admit that you have a GOD-COMPLEX, because that's the consequence of the Fall of Man?


    JESUS can HEAL you from this NASTY characteristic and turn you into someone like Him, and He happens to be God, manifested in the flesh.

    He loves you and Satan hates you!

    +Angelique Laforese

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  3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Somehow you deliberately choose to want to misunderstand me, and you also want to misinterpret my words
    , because you said "God used the devil to force them to have sex because they were like children" as if this is the essence of what I've told you.

    Adam and Eve were NOT perfect!

    Who told you so they were perfect and where can we read this in the Bible?

    Only JESUS is perfect!

    If they had been perfect they would have obeyed.

    Yes, they were highly intelligent, but as inexperienced as little children.

    JESUS is God and He has the knowledge of good and evil, and Adam and Eve didn't have this knowledge, and Eve was the first who wanted to have this knowledge by eating from the forbidden fruit, believing the SUGGESTION by Satan the Serpent that she would NOT die, which is a LIE.

    I believe Adam waited to see what happened to Eve after she had eaten from the forbidden fruit, and when he saw that nothing negative seemed to have happened to her, this encouraged him to take from her and also eat of the forbidden fruit.

    But then he discovered a SPIRITUAL CHANGE within him and he began te be ASHAMED of his nakedness and Eve too, and so they hid in the foliage and they made themselves 'clothes' of fig tree leaves:

    Genesis 3:7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    7 Then the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sewed fig tree leaves together, and made themselves breeches.

    Genesis 3:7 King James Version (KJV)
    7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    If sex is so wonderful and great, why didn't JESUS marry a woman and have sexual intercourse with a her and why didn't He procreate Himself?

    Why did He need MEN to do the 'dirty work' for Him?

    Why was the Apostle Paul a man who never had sex with a woman, and why is this in the Bible?:

    Revelation 14:4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    4 These are they which are not defiled with women: for they are virgins: these follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth: these are bought from men, being the firstfruits unto God, and unto the Lamb.


    Definitions of defile (from Google translate):
    verb
    sully, mar, or spoil.
    the land was defiled by a previous owner
    synonyms: spoil, sully, mar, impair, debase, degrade, poison, taint, tarnish, destroy, ruin

    This doesn't sound POSITIVE.

    Or what about this?:

    Ecclesiastes 7:28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    28 And I find more bitter than death the woman whose heart is as nets and snares, and her hands as bands: he that is good before God, shall be delivered from her, but the sinner shall be taken by her.

    But I believe that the concept of sexuality and procreation is GOOD.

    But it's something for THIS dimension between heaven and earth and angels don't have sexual organs and they don't procreate and we are meant to be LIKE the angels and in eternity there will be NO sex.

    So this is why I believe the Fall was FUNCTIONAL and otherwise JESUS couldn't have been born out of a VIRGIN (young) woman and He couldn't have become the HERO of the 'story'.

    God=JESUS is the 'author of His own play'.

    Yes, come up with more criticism, but THREE times I've asked you whether you love me and the fourth time I've asked you whether you love me as you brother in JESUS and you didn't answer, so I conclude the answer is NO.

    So if you don't want to love me, you have a SUPERIORITY COMPLEX and then we'll have NO PARTY in heaven together!

    Btw: Jim Beckwith also believes in the MADNESS of 'angels who had sex with earthly women', generating the Giants of Genesis 6!?!

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  4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    What you believe is OCCULT and WITCHCRAFT!


    Even my ex wouldn't have agreed with you and you know why?: the IDIOCY of 'F*CKING, FALLEN ANGELS' reminded her of the American psychological horror film 'Rosemary's Baby'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary%27s_Baby_%28film%29
    Hans S
    6:43 PM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    "Also the Sethite view that you choose to hold"

    This a SATANIC SUGGESTION, because I've never mentioned this idea.

    You study too much and you want to know everything.

    This is how Morning Star became such a pain in the ass.

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  5. +Jay The Lord Is My Savior Jones
    Yes, 'fallen angels, running around with ERECTIONS and with a scrotum with testicles, which produce WORKING SEMEN'......and you BELIEVE this UTTER MADNESS??


    Satan is TOO STUPID to be able to DECIPHER God's SECRET code of DNA, or do you really think God=JESUS would have made angels who are able to OUTSMART Him?

    Then you're more IMPRESSED by Satan than by JESUS!

    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

    What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be

    The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE!
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html

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  6. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Yes of course the giants were FALLEN beings.


    But listen, Joyce: I don't like this whole conversation, and it's clear we disagree on several points, but I want to emphasize the we both believe in the Lord JESUS Christ and that He wants us to LOVE each other.

    I believe He's coming soon and I long to be where He is.

    I hope and pray we share this wanting to be with Him.

    And when we're with Him, we will know everything which He deems to be important to know.

    Is it possible to agree on this?

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  7. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Yes, JESUS is indeed the restrainer, and without His presence, through God's Holy Spirit, we would already be in the world to come, after the rapture!


    There are actually believers who think we already live in the Time of Jacob's Trouble, although they like to call this near future era 'the tribulation', but the Time of Jacob's Trouble will be quite different from now, because then world dictatorship will be established (I believe through the Vatican) and all believers in JESUS will be persecuted, so also in the US or in my country.

    That is simply not yet the case.

    Also: we can still speak our minds about our faith on the internet or through other media, but in the coming world it will no longer be possible to say anything positive about the Lord JESUS!

    North Korea is in fact a model for the world to come, because communism was also an invention by the Jesuits, and Pope Francis is also a Marxist.

    North Korea is the WORST country for believers in JESUS on earth: http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/jul/27/where-in-the-world-is-it-worst-place-to-be-a-christian

    I'm really glad we agree on JESUS!

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  8. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Why do you rant that everything you disagree with must be SATANIC?

    > Again: you wrote: "Also the Sethite view that you choose to hold"

    I said "This a SATANIC SUGGESTION, because I've never mentioned this idea".

    You SUGGESTED I talked about 'the Sethite view' and at first I didn't even know what you were talking about, so I had to look it up.<


    This is an intimidation technique. It doesn't effect me because I am not satanic!


    >I didn't say you are satanic, but I find such a suggestion hostile and satan means 'adversary'.<


    The "sons of God" are not human, the text goes out of it's way to prove they are NOT human like the daughters are human!
    You can reject it and push your opinions on people all day long it doesn't change the facts!

    >We don't agree on this, Joyce, but believe whatever you want<


    God is perfectly capable of saying """sons of Seth""" verses """daughters of Cain""" if that were what He meant to say!
    And Yes Adam and Eve were Perfect! They were WITHOUT SIN!

    >Correct: Adam and Eve were sinless, but not yet perfect, and that's why God allowed them to be tested, and we know they failed<


    You called sex "his dirty work"
    sounds like you have issues.

    >That's another hostile suggestion, so this says something about you, but keep in mind the purification laws concerning sexuality in the old testament: if sex were so wonderful then these purification laws weren't needed<


    The flesh is neutral, sex is a design of God.


    >The flesh is NOT neutral and of course is sex a design of God:

    Romans 7:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    18 For I know, that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me: but I find no means to perform that which is good<



    Virgins speaks of those who have not worshipped idols or false gods!!!

    >I do NOT agree with you on this, but believe whatever you want<


    Fornication and Adultery is always a synonym for idolatry in God's economy!
    The woman is the symbol God uses for religions....the harlot Babylon, the woman in the basket is wickedness.
    Sex has NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. Although the devil likes to use perverted sex in paganism, false religious worship, temple prostitutes, etc.

    >This depends on the passages, and sometimes we have to take it literally, and sometimes if has a spiritual meaning<


    OF COURSE GOD DID NOT MARRY AND HAVE SEX WITH A WIFE.....how perverted is that an idea!! Please.


    >HUH???? And according to you sex is a design of God, so now you say He made something perverted?

    I understand Him, but do you?

    You give me the impression you think God is a split personality<


    Just because you don't think ...doesn't make it not true ...that divine beings saw the "daughters of MEN' and married them!!! Maybe they didn't even think it was wrong.
    How else does the Bible explain where the GIANTS CAME FROM? No where else, it tells you right there in Genesis 6 it happened "WHEN".....read it, believe it! I didn't write it and THE BIBLE IS NOT SATANIC!

    >We simply do NOT agree on this, but believe in whatever HORROR STORY you want<


    The fact is this is what the Jews always believed and taught from the beginning. The scholars mostly all agree on this!

    >Scholars.......you're talking to an EX-ATHEIST!<
    Hans S
    1:13 AM




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  9. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "I have been very patient with you up until now."

    Ah...are you now THREATENING me?

    I know you've been blocked by several 'sweet and kind and loving fellow believers' and now you want to block me?

    Go ahead and play GOD if you wish.

    Don't you see that this is EXACTLY what Satan wants on this STUPID NSA-CIA-Google+ PIECE OF CRAP?

    In a REAL and RAW discussion NO ONE is able to block ANYONE!

    They've turned everybody into small gods so that they can play in the 'god-mode' on their threads.

    "I have been very patient with you up until now."

    I can say the SAME concerning you.

    But feel free to BLOCK me: you've got the POWER!

    GRAB IT!

    Feel the RUSH of POWER when you do it!

    Yeah, that really will make JESUS happy!

    The High Priestly Prayer http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2011/06/het-hogepriesterlijk-gebed-high.html

    'Lord JESUS, let's get OUTTA HERE!'

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  10. And what do FELLOW BELIEVERS in JESUS do, who believe in wrong teachings, like the BIG FAT NONSENSE of fallen angels who had sex with earthly women in Genesis 6, generating the giants?
    (see this topic: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/why-did-god-let-satan-into-garden.html )
    THEY BLOCK YOU!
    I"m so HAPPY to know that NO ONE in heaven will even think of the option of blocking someone else, because everybody LOVE each other in the presence of JESUS!

    Poor Joyce and I really loved her as my sister in JESUS....

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  11. +Awaken Sheeple
    I don't block fellow believers in JESUS, but in case we disagree on important issues and there's no willingness to come to an agreement through the LOVE of JESUS
    , then I unfollow such a person.

    I believe it's VERY SAD when believers in JESUS see no other option than to BLOCK others who are saved too by the BLOOD of JESUS.

    If Joyce had unfollowed me, I would have respected her decision, but BLOCKING me....

    In such cases it seems that JESUS suffered and died IN VAIN....

    He wants us to LOVE each other!

    Thanks for your comment and the Lord JESUS is with us!

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  12. +Awaken Sheeple
    Yes, so much to learn and especially on the internet and on 'social media' on which Satan plays his game too of divide and conquer by giving God's elect the possibility to BLOCK each other and play 'god'.


    I'm not happy with this and I'm not smiling when someone who I saw as a friend, has blocked me.

    I understand she is or was sick (the flu), when she blocked me, so I pray she'll change her mind.

    Just recently there was a fellow believer who shared a warning against Joyce, because he believes she's spreading falsehood, and I defended her, because I know her from the time when I was dealing with a big personal loss and she was there to give me some comfort, and I prayed for her when her car was stolen and the Lord JESUS did a miracle (not specifically because of me, because there were more people praying for her) and her car was found by the police and almost without damage.

    I know Joyce is not an easy person, and I guess this has to do with her past, but also with her character, but I've had problems with other believers too in the past, both on the Dutch internet and the English spoken internet concerning the so called fallen angels who supposedly had sexual intercourse with earthly women, which supposedly generated the giants of genesis 6.

    Of course I believe there were giants, because the Bible says so, but I believe in a different reason why these people could exist, and that has also to do with the fallen angels, but not as the ones who supposedly impregnated earthly women, but as demons who inspired the people to mess with human DNA, just like the 'scientists' are doing this in our days.

    I also believe that they were the people who have build the great pyramid and other structures in Central America, which can't be copied, because the techniques they used are still a mystery to us.

    I believe they were almost 100% being influenced by these demons, and that this was one of the main reasons why God decided to destroy this civilization, and also because of their evil behavior and their violence.

    Joyce and I agree on this, but not on how these people came into existence, and at first glance it almost seems trivial, because in both cases we believe that fallen angels played a major role in this downfall of Antediluvian/Preflood humanity, but there's a big difference in believing that (fallen) angels actually are able to procreate with the use of earthly women, or my conviction that says that this is absolutely impossible, because angels weren't created with the ability to procreate, and I also don't believe they have full knowledge of the secret DNA/RNA-code, because that's God's secret.

    But just like the scientists of today, they know how to MANIPULATE this code in order to create different kinds of plants and animals and humans.

    But they aren't able to create life 'from scratch'.

    So you see, I have a completely different view on the matter, because people who believe it's possible that fallen angels have been able to procreate, generating the Nephilim, are giving Satan and his demons too much credit, and that's wrong.

    JESUS is with us.

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  13. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    You have now 'KILLED' me by blocking me and you're doing the same as my ex, who's also a believer in JESUS, and her daughter Joyce, who are completely IGNORING me, while JESUS is coming soon.


    ==
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/WDhEfRzhxCi
    And what do FELLOW BELIEVERS in JESUS do, who believe in wrong teachings, like the BIG FAT NONSENSE of fallen angels who had sex with earthly women in Genesis 6, generating the giants?
    (see this topic: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/why-did-god-let-satan-into-garden.html )
    THEY BLOCK YOU!
    I"m so HAPPY to know that NO ONE in heaven will even think of the option of blocking someone else, because everybody LOVE each other in the presence of JESUS!

    Poor Joyce and I really loved her as my sister in JESUS....
    https://plus.google.com/105432959846433115957
    ==

    Once you showed me your current profile picture in private, telling me not to share it with others, which I did, and recently you're shoing yourself with this picture, which I applauded, because you're no longer afraid to do so.

    Joyce, please don't rely on your guns but on JESUS!

    JESUS wasn't armed and He never used violence against anybody in order to defend Himself.

    If we are truly His followers who want to be like Him.

    JESUS never blocked His friends and not even Judas after the betrayal of his master, and he could have been forgiven, but he was too proud and he condemned himself through suicide by hanging.

    Please reconsider your decision to block me, because JESUS isn not happy about it.

    JESUS wants us to LOVE each other as brothers and sisters!

    THAT's essential and not non-salvational issues.

    Please get to know me a bit better, being an ex-atheist, and I try to get to know you better as someone who was raised with a Christian-religous background.

    JESUS wants us to be united in HIm!

    You're hurting one member of His body now: ME!

    Oh, and please forgive me and I have forgiven you.

    You know what love is?: missing someone badly who isn't any longer there....

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  14. +Awaken Sheeple
    I'm following JESUS since January 15, 1984 and I know my ex since December of that year, and over a half year ago she said she doesn't love me anymore, and at first she wanted to remain friends with me.

    At first I thought she wasn't serious, but two days later I realized she was serious and then we had a confrontation after which she decided to 'block' me, just like on the internet, but this is in the real world.
    I thought we were both looking forward to JESUS' coming, but now I'm no longer sure what she actually believes, and there's ONE big question I want to ask her: do you still love JESUS?
    it's not about me, but about HIM!

    Of course I talk it over with the Lord JESUS, everytime it hurts, and this goes for others too who have 'blocked' me and who I love.

    I'm glad for you you were given another wife who is as close to the perfect woman you could have ever asked for!

    What a blessing!

    Yes, we need to rely on JESUS, whether it's about (ex)spouses or neighbors.

    Thanks for your comments!

    Hans, from the Netherlands.

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  15. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    "Remember the story of Sodom? The men demanded Lot give them the angels to have SEX with them."


    I believe the whole misunderstanding concerning genesis 6 has a lot to do with this story.

    The men in Sodom didn't know they were dealing with angels, because they looked like normal men.

    But just because God used these angels, this doesn't mean they were able to procreate, let alone the fallen angels.

    Satan and the fallen angels tend to imitate what God is capable of, and I believe it's possible that fallen angels can make people believe they see a real person, while in fact it's a demon.

    But this doesn't mean that this demon is able to procreate.

    Believing this is giving the devil and the fallen angels too much credit.

    Yes, they are supernatural beings with supernatural powers, but they are limited in their power by God.

    We know that certain demons like to possess people, which means they want to get INSIDE of a human in order to do their destructive work.

    JESUS is able to chase the demons away by His power and His might, because He has defeated Satan though His accomplsihed mission on earth, and the shedding of His blood.

    Suppose it were true that fallen angels were able to have sex with earthly women: why aren't they doing this right now on a grand scale in order to destroy humanity?

    I don't believe that this is what the battle between good and evil is all about: it's about every single human soul and it started with Eve and Adam (in this sequence).

    In the case of Cain, the devil won and in the case of Abel, God was victorious.

    If you want to be victorious then you don't want to hurt JESUS within me and you'll unblock me, because then you accept me as your brother in JESUS.

    I'm not accusing God of letting men do the 'dirty work' concerning procreation, but let's face it: the least important thing is sex when people are hungry, so sex is natural, but it's not needed to survive, and sex within marriage is good and a blessing in case it also brings forth new life, because that's the main reason why God created this mechanism.
    It's also meant to create a pair bond between the two spouses.

    You suspect I'm having issues, but what has this got to do with the subject, Genesis 6 and the giants?

    I'm a MAN, and maybe you think ALL men have issues....and then I could say you're having issues concerning men, but that's not what it's about: I thought we were friends in JESUS!

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  16. +InTheAngel'sAndOurEyesGodIsEverything Hi Vanessa, Hans from the Netherlands here.
    I've just lost someone as a friend
    , because she believes the giants of Genesis 6 are the result of sexual intercourse between fallen angels and earthly women, which is an important 'revelation' of 'the book of Enoch'.
    Now I don't believe the 'book of Enoch' is Biblical and I even believe it's occult!

    If you're interested you can read my conversation with this sister (because she is a fellow believer in the Lord JESUS Christ) on this topic: Why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen? http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/why-did-god-let-satan-into-garden.html

    This sister has now blocked me, unfortunately.
    She won't be able to do this in heaven and on the New Earth, because my Lord and Savior JESUS is there the boss and not YouTube-Google+ and their possibility to block people, or the internet in general.

    Please take this to heart and study it.

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    +Hans S Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm
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    +Hans S What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be
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    +Hans S The Book of Enoch is SATANIC GARBAGE! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/05/the-book-of-enoch-is-satanic-garbage.html

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  17. Joyce also doesn't believe that the Jewish people is still God's chosen people, which is typical for many believers who come from 'churches', and in fact her conciction derives from the Roman Catholic replacement theology, which wrongly states that 'the church' replaced the Jews as God's chosen people.
    Many protestant churches still share fallacies with the 'mother church', the satanic Roman Catholic DEATH CULT.
    Martin Luther himself is an example of this: Lutheranism Exposed! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/09/lutheranism-exposed.html

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  18. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Joyce, I've had this discussion already years ago on the Dutch internet, and I was amazed how many people believe that fallen angels had sex with earthly women, supposedly generating the giants of Genesis 6.

    To be honest, I also believed this in the beginning of my walk with JESUS, more than 32 years ago, and this was due to occult influences, but after I had met my ex, she was able to change my mind, because she was adamantly against this teaching.
    It reminded her of the horror film 'Rosemary's Baby' and when she gave birth to a daughter, more than six years before we met on a Bible study at her home, she called her Joyce, because she had a bad marriage, but despite this she wanted to give her daughter a joyous name, and she certainly didn't want to think of the option of getting pregnant by a DEMON. Joyce is her only child and she became my step-daughter.
    At first I disagreed with her, just as you now disagree with me, but after reading more articles about it, and reading the Bible more closely, I came to the conclusion that she was right and I was wrong.

    Please study this, and thank you for talking to me again, because I didn't want to hurt you:

    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex with Earthly Women? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm
    Hans Steijnhagen
    10:55




    What Does the BIBLE Say: Sons of God vs. Fallen Angels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xWDlgH8EQ&feature=youtu.be +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

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  19. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Did Fallen Angels Have Sex With Earthly Women?
    By David J. Stewart | August 2007

    No! I felt the importance to address this issue from a Biblical perspective, because many heresies have crept into our churches as a result of misinterpretations over Genesis 6:1-6...
    "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
    I agree with the mighty Bible teacher, J. Vernon McGee on this matter, who states...
    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose [Gen. 6:1–2].
    This matter of "the sons of God" and "the daughters of men" is something that has caused no end of discussion. There are a great many good men who take the position that "the sons of God" were angels. I personally cannot accept that at all. Most of my teachers taught that the sons of God were angels, and I recognize that a great many of the present-day expositors take that position. However, I cannot accept that view, because, if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God." Also, the offspring here were men; they were not monstrosities. I do not know why it is assumed by so many that the offspring were giants. We will look at this more closely when we come to verse 4.
    And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years [Gen. 6:3].
    We believe that Noah preached for 120 years, and during that time the Spirit of God was striving with men. Peter makes it very clear that it was back in the days of Noah that the Spirit of God was striving with men in order that He might bring them to God—but they would not turn. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison" (1 Pet. 3:18–19). These spirits were in prison when Peter wrote, but they were preached to in the days of Noah. How do we know that? Verse 20 reads: "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a-preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." When were they disobedient? During the long-suffering of God in the days of Noah—during those 120 years.

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  20. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown [Gen. 6:4].
    It says, "There were giants in the earth in those days," but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: "the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals...
    Then what do we have here in verse 4? As I see it, Genesis is a book of genealogies—it is a book of the families. The sons of God are the godly line who have come down from Adam through Seth, and the daughters of men belong to the line of Cain. What you have here now is an intermingling and intermarriage of these two lines, until finally the entire line is totally corrupted (well, not totally; there is one exception). That is the picture that is presented to us here.
    I recognize, and I want to insist upon it, that many fine expositors take the opposite view that the sons of God are actually angels. If you accept that view, you will be in good company, but I am sure that most of you want to be right and will want to go along with me. Regardless of which view you take, I hope all of us will be friends, because this is merely a matter of interpretation. It does not have anything to do with whether or not you believe the Bible but concerns only the interpretation of the facts of Scripture.
    SOURCE: McGee, J. Vernon, Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 2000, c1981.
    I agree with Dr. McGee 100% here. I cannot accept the popular view that fallen angels (i.e. demons) had sexual relations with earthly women, because, if these were good angels, they would not commit this sin, and evil angels could never be designated as "sons of God." Also, as we learned, the Bible never specifies that the "giants" were the offspring of such extraterrestrial relations.

    Scriptural Proof that Angels and Mankind Cannot Marry
    There were NO extraterrestrial relations, and 1st Corinthians 15:39,40 proves it...
    "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

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  21. This Scripture passage plainly states that men are men, animals are animals, fish are fish, birds are birds, and angels are angels. There is not one Scriptural reference which would even remotely lead us to believe that angels and humans ever had sex. Jesus plainly stated in Mark 12:25 concerning the departed saints... "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." I think this Scripture verse is self-explanatory. Carefully notice that Genesis 6:2 states... "and they took them wives of all which they chose." Mark 12:25 says that angels cannot marry; but Genesis 6:2 says that the sons of God married the daughters of men. Clearly there would be a serious contradiction in the Scriptures here IF the sons of God were angels.
    The idea that angels had sexual relations with earthly women is preposterous. As one can imagine, such speculation in the Scriptures provides ample opportunity for the heathen world to exploit the Scriptures. Countless books, movies, documentaries, and false religions have exploited such misinterpretations of Genesis 6:1-6. One such exploit is the alleged lost Biblical BOOK OF ENOCH, which teaches that fallen angels had physical intimacy with earthly women that produced offspring 450-feet tall? I don't think so! Without a doubt, the primary claim of the Book of Enoch is that fallen angels had sex with human women and produced 450-feet tall giants upon the earth. This teaching is ridiculous, unscriptural, and has no solid evidence to support it (Biblically or scientifically). This is another good reason why the Book of Enoch should continue to be rejected. It is nonsense.

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  22. Further Evidences that Angels and Women DIDN'T Marry
    If, as some theologians believe (including the mighty Bible teacher Dr. M.R. DeHaan), angels did have sex with earthly women, then why has it not occurred since Genesis 6:1-6? The Scriptures are not silent on this matter, as we have read in Mark 12:25, for "they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven." The demonic succubus (a female demon) and the incubus (a male demon) are believed by Satanists to have sex with sleeping humans. Of course, this is not a Scriptural teaching. Angels cannot marry, nor be given in marriage.
    Also, why didn't God mention any punishment for the angels in Genesis? Genesis 6:7 states... "And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." "Angels" are NOT mentioned. Surely God would have been very angry with a group of angels that defiled his creation, bringing it to ruin.
    In addition, the entire suggestion that God allowed angels, which would have possessed FULL knowledge of divine realities, to tempt mankind is against the plainest teachings of the Scriptures. 1st Corinthians 10:13 states... "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." It would have been extremely UNCOMMON for women to be tempted by angels into marriage, not to mention the fact that the temptation would have been ABOVE THAT YE ARE ABLE.
    We do know that there were giants in the Old Testament, as Goliath himself was 9' 6" tall (1st Samuel 17:4); however, as mentioned earlier, Genesis 6:1-6 fails to state directly that the "giants" of those days were the offspring monsters of bizarre extraterrestrial marriages. Carefully notice Genesis 6:4 again... "There were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." "Also" means in addition to. "After that" means later. Clearly, even from reading the Bible at a childlike level, it is obvious that the "giants" were not the same people as the "mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

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  23. Why I Disagree with Dr. M.R. DeHaan Concerning the Antichrist
    In THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS, by Dr. M.R. DeHaan, on pages 138,139, he states...
    Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? (John 6:70).
    Judas is called devil—not a devil. In the original it is: "One of you is devil [Diabolis]. Diabolis is the devil and Satan. He does not say that Judas is a demon, but devil... Judas then, will be the Antichrist. The spirit of the Antichrist (when the Spirit of God, which now hindereth, will be taken away) will enter once more into mankind and cause to be born another freak half man and half devil who will be the incarnation of the devil.
    I do not agree with Dr. DeHaan on this issue, although I have tremendous admiration for him as a Bible teacher, and certainly as a genuine man of God. I do not believe that Judas was a "freak half man and half devil." Nor do I believe that the coming Antichrist will be a "freak half man and half devil." To believe as such would mean that Judas had NO earthly father. This is not possible, nor Scriptural. Neither will the Antichrist be without an earthly father. I certainly don't believe that Judas will be the Antichrist. Jesus Christ is the only human being ever born, or that ever will be born, without an earthly father (Isaiah 7:14; Hebrews 7:3).
    Dr. DeHaan attempts to use Revelation 13:15 to support his doctrine that the Antichrist will literally be Satan incarnate, by pointing out that Satan will bring the image of the Beast to life. He states on page 139..
    "Moreover the devil has power to give life (by permission). He is said to give life to the image of the beast (Rev. 13)..."
    It is important to notice that the "image" in Revelation 13:15 is created by MEN in Revelation 13:14, as a tribute to the beast. The Beast will not give life to a human being, nor to a living organism; but rather, to a mere object made by men. I simply do not believe that this Scripture can rightfully be used to imply that the Devil can give human life. If Dr. DeHaan is correct, then Satan will be allowed by God to create a human life. John 1:3 contradicts such a theory..."All things were made by him [Jesus]; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Satan cannot create anything, for he is a created being himself (Ezekiel 28:13). Satan will simply give "movement" to the image, but he will not be able to create actual life, which only Jesus Christ can do (Acts 17:25).

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  24. Satan has been trying to imitate Christ in every way throughout history, but he has failed. Keep in mind that Jesus performed the works He did, as no other man ever did, to prove to mankind that He was God in the flesh... "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause" (John 15:24,25). The Antichrist WON'T be able to heal amputees, or create biological life. Only Jesus can create life, and heal amputees. Please read my article, Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
    Revelation 13:15 states...
    "And he had power to give LIFE unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."
    We read in Acts 17:25 that Jesus Christ gives "life" to all...
    "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all LIFE, and breath, and all things."
    The word "life" in Acts 20:25 is the Greek zoe, which means, life real and genuine. Only Jesus Christ can give real and genuine life (John 14:6 uses the same word, zoe). In contrast, the "life" which the Beast gives in Revelation 13:15 is the Greek word pneuma which can have broad meaning, from referring to God's Spirit to nothing more than the breath of nostrils, or wind movement. The "life" which the Beast gives to the image built by men in Revelation 13:15 is likely referring to his ability to CONTROL the image, which will cause as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed. Even now, Homeland Security in the U.S. is implementing security monitors in airports, with emotion-recognition technology, which raises a white flag if it detects someone with suspects emotions. How's that for making people paranoid?

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  25. Remember, the Bible states that men will build this image. Thus, it wouldn't surprise me if the image is an advanced high-tech system that monitors masses of people, and identifies those who refuse to comply. To support my theory, though I certainly wouldn't argue the matter, Revelation 13:16 (the next verse) speaks about the Mark Of The Beast, which will be required to buy anything. Certainly this will be some sort of electronic micro-implant, which can be easily scanned, as part of a cashless society. This is why you won't be able to buy anything without the mark. As frightening as this all may sound, the technology is here, and the monsters controlling the world are drooling over it.
    I believe that the Antichrist will be a normal man, who will be 100% sold out to Satan. There are many such men in the world today, with no conscience, no morals, no concern for the poor, no regard for God, no loyalty to anyone except them self. There are millions of men alive today who could easily be the Antichrist, for their hearts are already completely possessed of the Devil. I do agree 100% with Dr. DeHaan that the Antichrist CANNOT appear until AFTER the Pretribulation Rapture of the Church, for we read in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3...
    "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."
    As long as the Body of Christ, i.e., the Church, is in this sinful world, we will expose the Antichrist and hinder the occult from coming out of their closet. And that's what's happening today. After centuries of "hiding" (which is what "occult" means), Satan is inspiring his followers to come out of hiding, evidenced by the plethora of occult symbols we see today everywhere we look. The New World Order is here, and the Lord's return must precede the arrival of the Antichrist. The Church is fast asleep, false prophets are everywhere, and apostasy has set in like rigor mortis. Surely the Lord's return must be near.
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/Doctrines/giants.htm

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  26. Hans Steijnhagen
    18:46




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I think these questions must be answered: WHY is it so important to know HOW these giants came into existence?
    And is it really important?

    The footnotes of the Geneva Bible are sometimes quite good:

    Genesis 6:1-131599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    6 3 God threateneth to bring the flood. 5 Man altogether corrupt. 6 God repenteth that he made him. 18 Noah and his are preserved in the Ark, which he was commanded to make.
    1 So when men began to be multiplied upon the earth, and there were daughters born unto them,
    2 Then the [a]sons of God saw the daughters [b]of men that they were [c]fair, and they took them wives of all that they [d]liked.
    3 Therefore the Lord said, My spirit shall not always [e]strive with man, because he is but flesh, and his days shall be an [f]hundred and twenty years.
    4 There were [g]giants in the earth in those days: yea, and after that the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they had borne them children, these were mighty men, which in old time were men of [h]renown.
    5 When the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and all the imaginations of the thoughts of his heart were only evil [i]continually,
    6 Then it [j]repented the Lord, that he had made man in the earth, and he was sorry in his heart.
    7 Therefore the Lord said, I will destroy from the earth the man, whom I have created, from man [k]to beast, to the creeping thing, and to the fowl of the heaven: for I repent that I have made them.
    8 But Noah [l]found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
    9 These are the [m]generations of Noah: Noah was a just and upright man in his time: and Noah walked with God.
    10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
    11 The earth also was corrupt before God: for the earth was filled with [n]cruelty.
    12 Then God looked upon the earth, and behold, it was corrupt: for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
    13 And God said unto Noah, [o]An end of all flesh is come before me: for the earth is filled with [p]cruelty [q]through them: and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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  27. Footnotes:

    a Genesis 6:2 The children of the godly, which began to degenerate.
    b Genesis 6:2 Those that came of wicked parents, as of Cain.
    c Genesis 6:2 Having more respect to their beauty and to worldly considerations, than to their manners and godliness.
    d Genesis 6:2 Or, had chosen.
    e Genesis 6:3 Because man could not be won by God’s lenity and long sufferance whereby he strove to overcome him, he would no longer stay his vengeance.
    f Genesis 6:3 Which term God gave man to repent before he would destroy the earth, 1 Pet. 3:20.
    g Genesis 6:4 Or, tyrants.
    h Genesis 6:4 Which usurped authority over others, and did degenerate from that simplicity, wherein their fathers lived.
    i Genesis 6:5 Hebrew, every day.
    j Genesis 6:6 God doth never repent, but he speaketh after our capacity, because he did destroy him, and in that as it were did disavow him to be his creature.
    k Genesis 6:7 God declareth how much he detesteth sin, seeing the punishment thereof extendeth to the brute beasts.
    l Genesis 6:8 God was merciful unto him.
    m Genesis 6:9 Or, history.
    n Genesis 6:11 Meaning, that all were given to the contempt of God, and oppression of their neighbors.
    o Genesis 6:13 Or, I will destroy mankind.
    p Genesis 6:13 Or, oppression and wickedness.
    q Genesis 6:13 Hebrew, from the face of them.

    Verse 13b clearly tells us WHY God had decided to destroy humanity, except Noah and his family: for the earth is filled with [p]cruelty [q]through them: and behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

    p Genesis 6:13 Or, oppression and wickedness.

    It doesn't say anything about the giants as the so called cause.

    I believe the giants were PART of the problem, but NOT the ROOT CAUSE of the problem.

    But again: do you really believe that God would allow fallen angels to create for themselves MALE bodies with FUNCTIONAL male GENITALIA?
    Hans Steijnhagen
    18:52




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    It's NOT about DNA!
    It's about the lineage of the righteous contra the lineage of the wicked.
    Noah represented the lineage of the righteous, but among his family members the lineage of the wicked was present.
    Hans Steijnhagen
    18:58




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I've watched Jim Staley - The "Sons of God" and the Nephilim, and this is my verdict: Jim Staley is a FAIRY TALE teller and he's a deceiver on this matter.
    He often says "the Bible says", when he means to say 'I Jim Staley say'.

    "Jacob Prasch is a Hebrew/Greek scholar and he has studies his Jewish history as well. I believe Jacob knows more than these people who have a problem believing possibilities

    So he is INFALLABLE?

    Don't follow people and don't even believe what I say, but let your teacher be JESUS PERSONALLY.

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  28. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I believe a LOT of fallen angels (or devils or demons) are active on earth, and just like Satan they were created as GOOD angels and angels are SERVANTS.

    After Light bearer (Lucifer) rebelled against God, he was able to persuade ONE THIRD of the angels to follow him in his rebellion, but TWO THIRD remained loyal to God = JESUS!
    This is VERY important to know, because this means that Satan is ALWAYS on the losing end.

    God didn't create bad angels and certainly not to terrorize us.

    Angels are PERSONALITIES, just like you and me, and fallen angels are CRIMINALS who belong in JAIL.

    Only one type of jail is able to hold these criminals forever and that's the lake of fire, also called the 2nd death=eternal separation from God.

    People are meant to be LIKE the angels, and CONDEMNED people, after the Final Judgement, will also end up in this eternal jail with their resurrected, supernatural bodies, and we, as God's ELECT, wil dwell on the NEW Earth and in the NEW (ENORMOUS) Jerusalem, with our resurrected supernatural bodies.

    I believe a lot of fallen angels are busy in NATURE, and just watch some realistic videos on YouTube about cruelty among WILD animals, and then you must ask yourself this question: where did these animals get this cruelty from?
    I believe from the fallen angels, who were willing to go into the pigs, after JESUS had cast out the many demons who were inside of The Gerasene Demoniac https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+5%3A1-17%2CLuke+8%3A26-37&version=GNV

    From this story we know that demons/devil/fallen angels are so very rotten that they don't mind to dwell in animals, but of course they prefer to use humans.

    They are most certainly active within the monsters of ISIS!

    After JESUS' return no fallen angel will be able to possess humans and animals anymore and then there will be PEACE on earth for a thousand years on THIS old earth, which will be done with after the FINAL rebellion at the end of the 1000 years of peace, when God will allow a final temptation among the last generation that will inhabit this world, and keep in mind that people will still be mortal who live on earth, but they will have very long lives and they'll also procreate, so this final generation will not have experienced the return of JESUS a 1000 years earlier, and they will be susceptible to Satan's last rebellious SUGGESTIONS.
    This rebellion will be quickly precipitated, and then the Final Judgement will commence.

    In the meantime we will be CITIZENS of HEAVEN and we will already be LIKE the angels since the RAPTURE, 1007 years earlier.

    We will CO-JUDGE fallen angels and people!
    We are meant to be kings and priests UNDER JESUS!

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  29. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist

    "But the Bible says those who left their first estate ARE IN hell
    , Tatarus, so you don't believe your Bible. THEY ARE ALL LOCKED UP UNTIL THE JUDGEMENT, so what-ever is terrorizing people ARE NOT THE FALLEN ANGELS ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE. "

    According to YOUR interpretation of the Bible!

    Angels which kept not their first estate?
    https://www.thisisyourbible.com/index.php?page=questions&task=show&mediaid=2857

    Joyce, believe what you want, but fallen angels are VERY active at the moment and for example they don't want you to know the truth about Genesis 6, and they also don't want you to know about the fact that the Jewish people never ceased to be God's chosen people.

    Protestantism is mixed with Roman Catholicism and for example Martin Luther was a reformer but also a heretic: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Lutherans/truth_about_martin_luther.htm

    "I don't believe the condemned get resurrected bodies"

    Well, before they can be judged, they must be resurrected, don't you think?
    And because those who will be condemned at the Final Judgement, will experience this torture forever , this can only be possible when they have supernatural bodies, made out of different matter than their old earthly bodies.

    JESUS Himself teaches that we are meant to be LIKE or AS (depending on the translation) the angels:

    Matthew 22:29-30 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    29 Then Jesus answered, and said unto them, Ye are deceived, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.
    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry wives, nor wives are bestowed in marriage, but are as the Angels of God in heaven.


    "I believe the devils that possess people are disembodied spirits that were wiped out by the flood and by war. I believe they never had souls so they cannot go to heaven or be redeemed.

    This is more like coming from a horror story than from the Bible!

    "I believe what the bible says"

    To me you are saying: 'I believe what the the Bible says is according to my interpretation'.

    Of course the fallen angels had a HUGE impact on the people that lived before the Flood, but also after the Flood and in fact from the time Adam and Eve were driven out of Paradise, because ONE THIRD of all the angels chose to follow ADVERSARY=SATAN.

    God was VERY SMART by introducing the Babylonian confusion of tongues, because through this policy He generated a discord among mankind and this diminished to power of Satan who always wants to unite humanity against God.

    And even nowadays, when English has in fact become the main language of the Roman Empire=the Vatican NWO, there are still many people who can't speak or understand English at all.

    So Satan has now his ONE WORLD LANGUAGE, which is ENGLISH, but still he isn't really able to win the hearts and minds of all people on earth.

    Before the Babylonian confusion of tongues, it was very simple for him and his fallen angels to lead mankind, but God made it much more difficult, after thereafter.

    I mean: I'm writing this in my best English, but I'm thinking in Dutch, and I'm not always sure whether I really make myself understandable in your version of the English language, because as you know, there are several versions of English, as there are also different versions of Dutch.

    But there is only ONE Bible.

    But there are many translations of the original manuscripts, which is very confusing at times.

    But you know what Joyce?

    I want to be your BROTHER and not your FATHER or your HUSBAND!

    Be HONEST to me if you don't like me.

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  30. FYI: I just had an article published in a Christian Apologetics Journal which is titled "Serpent Seed of Satan," see here:
    http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/serpent-seed-satan-article-christian-apologetics-journal

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