donderdag 28 april 2016

Rapture under attack! 2


Rapture adversaries take sides with Jesuits!
Opname tegenstanders kiezen partij voor Jezuïeten!

Attack # 1: Dr Alberto Rivera JESUIT INFILTRATION 
 (go to 6:54 min.)

Attack # 2:

Library : LaHaying The Rapture On Thick - Catholic Culture

Google search: rapture under attack jesuits

Attack # 3:

Jesuits Fabricated the Rapture 

Google search: rapture jesuit invention

Google search: Left Behind by the Jesuits debunked

Google search: Left Behind by the Jesuits refuted

Google search: Rapture adversaries take sides with Jesuits 

 

The satanic Jesuits couldn't foretell that Israel would be re-established by God in 1947/1948, and this fact is a key argument for the believe in the Rapture, seven years BEFORE the Second Coming of Jesus Christ to His Land and His People, because The Lord Jesus Christ is a Jew!

 

All believers in Jesus Christ should make a distinction between God's plan with Israel and with His congregation of Holy Spirit-filled-believers. The Rapture is all about the removal of the Holy Spirit, INCLUDING the real worshippers of Christ Jesus, before the emergence of the antichrist. This is necessary because of the fulfillment of the prophecies. The antichrist will NOT appear before the rapture has taken place, SEVEN years prior to JESUS' second coming.

 

 

De satanische Jezuïeten konden niet voorspellen dat Israël zou worden hersteld door God in 1947/1948, en dit feit is een belangrijke argument voor het geloof in de Opname, zeven jaar voor de tweede komst van Jezus Christus naar zijn land en zijn volk, omdat de Heer Jezus Christus een Jood is! 

 

Alle gelovigen in Jezus Christus moeten een onderscheid maken tussen Gods plan met Israël en met Zijn gemeente van Heilige Geest vervulde-gelovigen. De Opname heeft alles te maken het verwijderen van de Heilige Geest, INCLUSIEF de echte aanbidders van Christus Jezus, vóór de komst van de antichrist.  Dit is noodzakelijk vanwege de vervulling van de profetieën. De antichrist zal NIET verschijnen voordat de opname heeft plaatsgevonden, ZEVEN jaar vóór JEZUS' tweede komst. 

 

Rapture (Under Attack): Will You Escape the Tribulation?

An excellent book about God's truth!, April 15, 1999

By 
This review is from: Rapture (Under Attack): Will You Escape the Tribulation? (Paperback)
Tim Lahaye's book is thoroughly based on scripture. He takes a literal interpretation of God's word on end time events. There are many dissenting views as opposed to the pre-trib rapture view, but they are not biblically sound. The scriptures back up and support a pre-trib view. If you have your bible, read it for yourself! So many times in his book, Lahaye shows that the church will be saved from the wrath to come. The believers in Christ will be raptured and taken out of this world, and he backs this all up with scripture. If you want to know and understand the book of Revelation to a greater degree, and you want to know what will happen when Jesus comes for his bride(the church), then this is the book for you. Tim Lahaye helps to explain God's near-future plan!




Why Is Pre-trib Rapture Hated So Much?



Proof of a PreTribulation Rapture




Evidence for Pre-Trib Rapture




Misconceptions about the rapture




The Rapture of the Church - by Jack Kinsella




The day of the Lord will not come until the Rapture first takes place




IS THE RAPTURE IN 2 THESSALONIANS 2:3?

 

 

 

Defending The Pre-trib Rapture

 

 

Discerning The Trumpets (Revelation 1:8-10)

 

What does "except there come a falling away first" in 2 Thess. 2:3 mean? 

 

Pre Tribulation Rapture Explained in Detail

 

The Pre Tribulation Rapture is the only truth

 

 

An interesting discussion on Twitter about the Rapture

 

 

Why I Believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture 

 

 

PROOFS OF THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE 

 

 

There is no Apostasy or Falling Away

 

 

 

7 Reasons Why We Believe in a Rapture before the Great Tribulation 

 

 

Why the Rapture of the Church Has To Happen Before the Seven Year Tribulation Pt 1

 

Pre-trib Rapture and Early Church, 144,000, Time is Short! 

 

 

SATAN'S GREAT LIE 

 

 

There is NO rapture!

 

 

Rapture under attack!

 

 

Kingdom Gospel-Grace Gospel

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  1. +wolfeyism +Donna Diggzzz Hi Sister!
    You have a Christian-religious background and I don't.
    I never went to 'church'.

    The word 'church' is giving me associations with CHURCH-BUILDINGS, CHURCH-TOWERS, CHURCH-BELLS, CHURCH-ORGANS, CHURCH-PEOPLE.....and not in a positive way....

    In the original Greek the word for a gathering of believers in JESUS is ASSEMBLY or CONGREGATION and not the word CHURCH.

    The Dutch word for CHURCH is KERK and it's only to be found in the Dutch CATHOLIC 'Bible'.

    In most translations the Dutch word for assembly is being used.

    The Dutch word for assembly is gemeente (say something like gumaintuh)

    But you're RIGHT: the word ASSEMBLY (church) is not found after Revelation 3: http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?Bible=Bible&q=assembly&step=20&qall=0&qids=80808080808080808021&idq=15&id14=1&id7=1&pos=0&set=3&l=en&q1=1

    Then we're GONE to be with JESUS and not through DEATH but through the RAPTURE/DEPARTURE:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 WEB (World English Bible)
    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,
    http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?Bible=Bible&m=2+Th+2%3A3&id14=1&pos=0&set=3&l=en

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3&version=GNV


    JESUS is COMING!

    Source: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/04/many-believers-follow-wrong-gospel.html#more

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    1. +wolfeyism
      Are you talking to me?

      JESUS is God, manifested in the flesh, and He's the God of Israel!
      The ALMIGHTY one!

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  2. +Tony Eaton Wat you said is the SIMPLE TRUTH. But many people want to make things COMPLICATED, based on wrong Bible translations and wrong doctrine, deriving from the SATANIC Roman Catholic DEATH CULT/church.
    Sometimes they change only ONE word and the meaning of a verse becomes totally different.
    They're as CLEVER as Satan, but thank God for JESUS, who is the WORD of God and the KEEPER and PROTECTOR of His OWN WORD, the REAL Bible!

    The Geneva Bible (the REFORMERS BIBLE) is NOT perfect, but it's the BEST English translation of the original Hebrew and Greek Bible.
    The World English Bible is also good, but not perfect.
    I would like to see a translation with the CORRECT NAME of God in the Old Testament, which isn't LORD or Yahweh, but 'I AM' (the short version of I am who I am, or I am that I am), and containing an explanation in between the Old and the New Testament, saying that the NAME of JESUS means 'I AM SALVATION'.

    Christ from MESSIAH means '(the) anointed' He is GOD, in the capacity of SAVIOR!
    Christ JESUS='the anointed I AM SALVATION'.

    PRAISE THE NAME OF JESUS-YESHUA (in Hebrew)!

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    1. adrian kovalski4 months agoLINKED COMMENT
      there is no secret rapture thats a lie made up by satan forced in the churches by the masons and jesuits who also worship satan the christians never believed this claim its been around only for 100 years its a fairy tale not found in the bible ps the lord jesus said we will suffer persecution some of us will be killed before he will come we will be hunted down and if that scares you its because you dont really believe in God because if you believed and loved god death would excite you for jesus
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      Job De La Cruz Aureoles
      Job De La Cruz Aureoles1 month ago
      It's because lack of faith or trust not not believing in GOD
      Lloyd Hamilton
      Lloyd Hamilton3 weeks ago
      ok we hear you weak in the spirit prepare for the great tribulation while we who have the spirit of Christ that teaches us all things will be like the five wise virgins ,by the time you come to realization the Church will be already gone and people like you and many others who put limitations on God will definitely be here to suffering the hands of the antichrist,you cannot shake the Faith of nobody who have the spirit of Christ, we already know what's going to happen you are the one that don't believe because you have not the holy spirit to tell you what's about to happen,if spreading lies because you don't know what's going on makes you feel any better well go ahead ,just know that there is no reward for you trying to discourage people believing in the same God who took up Enoch and Elijah to take away is people from the wrought to come.
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      Hans S3 days ago
      +adrian kovalski You're parroting ROMAN CATHOLIC doctrine. In other words: you're a LIAR for SATAN! The pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-RAPTURE is Biblical and based on the right gospel, the Gospel of GRACE. You're LOST without JESUS Christ!
      adrian kovalski
      adrian kovalski1 day ago
      +Hans S were in the bible does it speak of a rapture before the tribulation show me some scriptures if you can ill show you plenty that contradict your rapture before the tribulation the truth is your rapture before the tribulaiton never was believed by the christians only in this last 100 years did this claim spread and it started in england out of the hands of the jesuits and masons the head of satans one world government show me some scriptures none of you can because you are teaching satans nice lies satan loves to call Gods true servants ,servants of satan as well

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    2. Hans S
      Hans S1 day ago
      +adrian kovalski 2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. DEPARTING = RAPTURE BEFORE the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and JACOB is ISRAEL. You believe in the SATANIC Roman Catholic REPLACEMENT theology, which turns believers into JEW-HATERS/JEW KILLERS. You believe in the WRONG gospel: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/04/many-believers-follow-wrong-gospel.html Praise the Lord JESUS Christ, the ETERNAL JEW, who happens to be GOD ALMIGHTY!
      adrian kovalski
      adrian kovalski21 hours ago
      +Hans S 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. what kind of bogus bible are you using the real bible doesnt even say departing it says 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, that doesnt even have anything to do with the rapture it has to do with the coming of the anti christ i think the masons and jesuits wrote your bogus version of the bible your using
      Hans S
      Hans S20 hours ago
      +adrian kovalski 'the bible your using' You can't even write proper English. You're lost without JESUS Christ.
      adrian kovalski
      adrian kovalski19 hours ago
      +Hans S what does my english have to do with the bogus ideas your teaching you brought up my english skills because you have nothing else to defend your lies with so you decided to change the subject the christians never preached what you teach the british masons made up you bogus story and the bible you just used is a horrible translation present an idea if you can dont change the subject about my english skills proper grammer doesnt define the truth and i doubt that you can speak any other language but english you wouldnt be able to write a sentence in my native language
      Hans S
      Hans S19 hours ago
      +adrian kovalski A lot of words, but not a word about JESUS. You don't know who He is and you're not saved. I quoted from the Geneva Bible 1599 which is superior to the KJV1611. Now take it or leave it, because it's about your own eternal destiny: get to know JESUS and surrender to Him and be saved. I'm talking to that part in your brain that is human and reasonable. Here's another translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB) 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction The departure is the rapture, but only for those who love JESUS. Now decide for yourself whether you want to be saved or not, or whether you want to stay angry for no reason. God=JESUS gave you a free will which means that you are free to say NO to JESUS. Of course the consequence will be that God=JESUS will say NO to you too and that you will be judged accordingly. But you're also free to say YES to JESUS and the consequence will be that you will be forgiven, so it's up to you. PS; are you able to understand Dutch? Kan je Nederlands verstaan?
      Tony Eaton
      Tony Eaton5 hours ago
      what scripture says that we suffer the 7 year tribulation period? yes we suffer tribulation and persucuation, not the 7 year tribulation period
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      Tony Eaton5 hours ago
      Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. - Revelation 3:10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation3:10&version=KJV Jesus said he would keep us from, he did not say he would keep us through

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    3. Tony Eaton
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      +adrian kovalski
      Got a question for you,
      Are the dead in christ in 1st thes 4 16 18 and the dead in Christ in revelation 20 4 one and the same?

      Think about that, real hard.

      Hint remember there are those who are dead in christ right now like the deciples , Paul , your grandparents etc. . .

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    4. +Tony Eaton With 'hell' we mean 'the realm of the dead' and with 'heaven' (in the context of this discussion) we mean the good side of this place that JESUS prepared for the deceased Saints after His death. Hell is the lake of fire without an exit.

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      Job De La Cruz Aureoles1 hour ago
      +Tony Eaton there's people in Heaven and hell as we speak.
      Tony Eaton
      Tony Eaton59 minutes ago
      +Job De La Cruz Aureoles Yes I agree, but 1st thes 4 16 18 shows those who are dead in christ rising from their graves and meeting Jesus in the air. The dead who are in hell are not raised untill after the millinium reign 

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  3. Christians will go through the Great Tribulation, or the Time of Jacob's Trouble, but JESUS Christians will be raptured, because they know for sure they are not appointed to God's wrath.

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    1. +Atheism is Madness
      We're covered with the BLOOD of the LAMB, the Lord JESUS Christ.


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      Atheism is Madness
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      Yep, bible is clear old and new that the saints (those sealed unto redemption) were always protected by God during his Judgments. Egypts plagues, WW flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, to name a few. Do you have your door post covered?

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    2. +Atheism is Madness
      Psalm 18:2 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      2 The Lord* is my rock, and my fortress, and he that delivereth me, my God and my strength: in him will I trust, my shield, the horn also of my salvation, and my refuge.

      *Originally YHWH='I am that I am' or in short 'I am' and JESUS means 'I AM Salvation'.

      We're powerless against the evil one on our own, but with Him we're more than conquerors.

      Romans 8:37 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      37 Nevertheless, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him* that loved us.

      *JESUS!
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      Atheism is Madness
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      +Hans S Amen...

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    3. +Atheism is Madness
      I know all about it, because I wanted to be a 'wise guy'
      and know much and it caused me a lot of sorrow and grief.
      But on the other hand the LORD JESUS has given me His friendship which is much better than the love of a woman or a friend.
      No woman or friend can compete with the love and faithfulness of JESUS!
      JESUS helped me in my darkest hour:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTxVFaISLY

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      Atheism is Madness
      5:30 AM




      +Hans S​​

      I always ask for wisdom and have been really heavy hearted the last month or so with everything going on in the world. Look what the Lord showed me today,
      ECC 1:18
      For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.

      So now I'm careful what I ask for and asked God to give me a portion I can handle. Dark times these days.

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  4. CarolSue Me
    You believe in the WRONG Gospel and that's why you're WRONG on the timing of the (PRE-Time of Jacob's Trouble-)rapture.

    Google search (Google+ is CENSORING me and when I put a link in my comment, it won't be published): Ezekiel38Rapture: MANY believers follow the WRONG GOSPEL

    The GREEK word 'apostasia' does NOT mean APOSTASY!

    This is the RIGHT TRANSLATION of 2 Thessalonians 2:3

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)

    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the DEPARTURE comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction.

    The DEPARTING/DEPARTURE is the RAPTURE, BEFORE the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and JACOB is ISRAEL!

    A rapture at the end of the Great Tribulation/the Time of Jacob's Trouble, is based on the ROMAN CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT theology, which is a BIG LIE!

    The teaching of the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture is as OLD as the Body of Christ, which began when Saul surrendered to JESUS and became the Apostle Paul, because AFTER his SUDDEN conversion the Mysterious Body of Christ is revealed FOR THE FIRST TIME by the Apostle Paul, AUTHORIZED by JESUS!

    When JESUS was on earth the Body of Christ didn't yet exist, and even not after 2nd chapter of Acts, which was meant for the JEWS!

    This is the WRONG TRANSLATION:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    Most of Matthew 24 is meant for the JEWS and NOT for the Body of Christ.

    Satan HATES the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because he is the boss of he SATANIC VATICAN and the Pope is the ANTICHRIST, who wants to MURDER ALL BORN AGAIN, SAVED JESUS-WORSHIPERS.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9EMZFanwE&lc=z12etd4jmnndzfpfo23fytqzmu2qynut5.1464935029014977

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  5. Stephen Corson
    You're talking about UNSAVED, NOT BORN AGAIN 'Christians' who are being persecuted.

    This has NOTHING to do with the coming WRATH of God-the LAMB=JESUS, AFTER the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture.
    MANY believers (like you) are DECEIVED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC replacement theology, which states that 'the church' has replaced the Jews as God's chosen people.
    THAT IS A BIG FAT SATANIC LIE FROM HELL!
    The BODY OF CHRIST (wrongly called 'the church') didn't yet exist when JESUS was on earth and not even after 2nd chapter of Acts.
    The start of the Body of Christ was when Saul SUDDENLY became the Apostle Paul, and he revealed this MYSTERY, AUTHORIZED by NONE OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST!
    People who are AGAINST the pre-Time of Jacobs Trouble-rapture are PSEUDO CATHOLICS!
    They try to EARN heaven by becoming a MARTYR!
    JESUS has DIED IN VAIN for them at the cross!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j9EMZFanwE&lc=z134slxjlue3unnkh22ehh24kkezhfdjg04.1464936075894274

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  6. TheWatchman
    Realize that the so called tribulation is a time of trials (trials and tribulation) to "refine" or bring out the gold that is concealed in the stony rock.
    For those who repent, or return to the Lord, or "come forth" born at the appointed time they are no longer strangers nor children but a glorious bride without spot or wrinkle who proceed directly from the womb (the place of birth pain) and into the arms of her groom ... the Great Physician.
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    This is based on the SATANIC CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY LIE!!

    So you think you are part of the REMNANT (one third) of the JEWISH PEOPLE in ISRAEL????

    Then you're STEALING what belongs to them!

    You believe in the WRONG GOSPEL and that's why you're WRONG on the timing of the (PRE-Time of Jacob's Trouble-)rapture.
    Google search (Google+ is CENSORING me and when I put a link in my comment, it won't be published): Ezekiel38Rapture: MANY believers follow the WRONG GOSPEL

    The GREEK word 'apostasia' does NOT mean APOSTASY!

    This is the RIGHT TRANSLATION of 2 Thessalonians 2:3

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)

    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the DEPARTURE comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction.

    The DEPARTING/DEPARTURE is the RAPTURE, BEFORE the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and JACOB is ISRAEL!

    A rapture at the end of the Great Tribulation/the Time of Jacob's Trouble, is based on the ROMAN CATHOLIC REPLACEMENT theology, which is a BIG LIE!

    The teaching of the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture is as OLD as the Body of Christ, which began when Saul surrendered to JESUS and became the Apostle Paul, because AFTER his SUDDEN conversion the Mysterious Body of Christ is revealed FOR THE FIRST TIME by the Apostle Paul, AUTHORIZED by JESUS!

    When JESUS was on earth the Body of Christ didn't yet exist, and even not after 2nd chapter of Acts, which was meant for the JEWS!

    This is the WRONG TRANSLATION:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    Most of Matthew 24 is meant for the JEWS and NOT for the Body of Christ.

    Satan HATES the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because he is the boss of he SATANIC VATICAN and the Pope is the ANTICHRIST, who wants to MURDER ALL BORN AGAIN, SAVED JESUS-WORSHIPERS.

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  7. Jeffrey robert-dicken

    Matthew 24 is FOR THE JEWS!!

    The Body of Christ didn't yet exist when JESUS was on earth.
    It started with the sudden conversion of Saul into Paul, and his revelation of the MYSTERIOUS Body of Christ was AUTHORIZED by none other than JESUS.
    You believe in the WRONG GOSPEL and in ROMAN CATHOLIC replacement theology DOCTRINES.
    The JEWS are still God's chosen people and especially in ISRAEL=JACOB.
    Satan HATES the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because he wants to SLAUGHTER all saved and born again JESUS-worshipers.

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    1. +Jeffrey robert-dicken
      You disagree with me, because you have been DECEIVED by ROMAN CATHOLIC LIES!!!


      I'm and EX-ATHEIST and I've established that MOST CHURCH-PEOPLE are PSEUDO-CATHOLICS!

      You believe in the WRONG GOSPEL: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/04/many-believers-follow-wrong-gospel.html

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      Jeffrey robert-dicken
      9:19 AM




      +Hans S hello ..I'm sorry to disagree with your interpretation of matthew 24 ..Jesus was giving a timeline so to speak about events leading to the end and his return ..in christ there is neither jew or Greek..but we are one body ..he made it very clear as to what would happen ..after the tribulation then...then the raising of the dead and the gathering of the ELECT ..who are the elect? Christians ..this pre trib teaching is not in the bible ..Paul agrees with christ in his timing ..at the last trump ..same time ..the Jews are not those elect because Paul in Romans asked the question about the election being saved and Israel not ..and we can easily see that from the word....also this idea that the holy spirit will be taken out of the way before the great tribulation is false ..whoever is holding back I'm not sure but the holy spirit will never leave us until the very end and we all will have tribulation as Christ told us..Matthew was written to the world ..thats why it is in the word ..salvation for the Jews first then us who were far off..now we have been grafted into one body ..after the great tribulation..then comes the wrath of GOD

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  8. +Billy Cruse You quote from a FAKE 'Geneva Bible'.
    But believe what you want, because why should people love JESUS and want to be where He is, while it's still 'great' to live in a world with Satan, the Roman Catholic DEATH CULT and the Pope = the Antichrist?
    It's not forbidden to be left behind and to be a foolish virgin.

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    Billy Cruse
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    +Hans S
    This is the Geneva Bible and it does not say Departure it actually says Falling Away.
    And the notes indicate the wicked one will come first. There is no Pre Trib rapture.


    2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: 3for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and e that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    (3) The apostle foretells that before the coming of the Lord, there will be a throne set up completely contrary to Christs glory, in which that wicked man will sit, and transfer all things that appertain to God to himself: and many will fall away from God to him.
    (e) By speaking of one, he singles out the person of the tyrannous and persecuting antichrist.

    
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    +Hans S
    There is no gathering without His second coming.
    Rapture means to escape so.... That word is misleading in itself and changes the entire order of the scripture on the subject of His return

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    1. +Billy Cruse
      Who told you that? Satan?


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      +Billy Cruse Who is 'Yahuah'?
      God's name is 'I Am', the short version of 'I am that I am' which He revealed to Moses.
      JESUS-YESHUA means 'I AM SALVATION'.
      He's God, manifested in the flesh in the capacity of Savior.
      I was sarcastically toward you, because the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture is Biblical and the ONLY truth, yet so many 'church people' are deceived by the Roman Catholic Replacement theology lie, and misinformed by the WRONG translation of the Greek word 'apsostasia' in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 which means DEPARTURE or DEPARTURE and NOT 'a falling away', as in the KJV and other translations.

      Read my commentary (if you want) in my latest topic on my site: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/the-mark-of-beast-is-not-microchip-hd.html

      I'm a Dutch ex-ATHEIST and I have NOTHING with 'churches', 'Christianity' and 'church people'.

      I LOVE JESUS and JESUS and JESUS!
      Hans S
      Yesterday 8:24 AM




      +TheWatchman I'm a Dutch ex-ATHEIST and I have NOTHING with 'churches', 'Christianity' and 'church people'.

      I LOVE JESUS and JESUS and JESUS!
      He is GOD and my BEST and ONLY true FRIEND.
      Read my previous comment to Billy Cruse.

      I'm a JESUS Christian.
      Billy Cruse
      Yesterday 2:43 PM




      +Hans S
      Yahuah and Yahusha are the real names of the Creator and His son.
      It was not Jesus which is a derivative for Zeus

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    2. +Billy Cruse
      JESUS-YESHUA means 'I AM SALVATION'.


      Only those who are like children are welcome in heaven.

      Smart asses and wise guys will not like it there, because they are addicted to arguing all the time, and such people also think they are better than everybody else.

      Do you LOVE JESUS-YESHUA?

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      Billy Cruse
      4:41 AM




      Again He wasn't Greek He was Hebrew. And I personally could careless about a translation of the original name. Why do that when I know what it was and is!

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    3. +Billy Cruse
      Thank you, your holiness!


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      Billy Cruse
      4:53 AM




      +Hans S
      first of all your on a Christian video site.
      second scripture says filthy communication corrupts good manors!
      No one will be there with a trashy mouth!
      That's why your laodecian behind is going No where until you get cleaned up.
      Which brings me to my next point,
      Righteousness comes out if persecution. You can find that in scripture as well.
      Now go suck on a bar of soap and find some Act Right! Home training or something man!
      Get a clue please!

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  9. +Unleavened Karaite Plus
    Where do you want to go: heaven or hell?
    Do you LOVE JESUS and are you saved?


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    Unleavened Karaite Plus
    12:12 AM




    +Hans S Nowhere in any of the translations you did provide, did it say "rapture". You should have WEBSTER add it as a definition. Apostasia is one who was at one time in, and then fell away.
    A person who never believed cannot commit Apostasia.
    They will commit apostasy once they find themselves without protection from ELOHIM because having believed the lie, and expecting it (the false hope), now reap the fruit of their error. I can almost ask the following with assurance and you are and for your sake hope that I'm wrong: Are you a pork eating, sun worshiper, cheap grace, immortality of the soul believer who aunt is called "antie Torah"?

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  10. +Atheism is Madness
    This is YOUR thread, so YOU are the moderator ;-)


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    Atheism is Madness
    3:16 AM




    I'm staying our of this mess. Let me know if you need a moderator.�� 

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    1. +Atheism is Madness
      Yes, JESUS wants us to LOVE each other, but many people are LYING and CHEATING on the internet and DISHONEST and not TRANSPARENT
      , or they are addicted to debates and arguments.
      And in real life too.

      I love OUR sister Donna, because she's HONEST about her SINS/SHORTCOMINGS and she even has a video about LYING, and she's showing herself to the world and she doesn't care if she will be MURDERED/BEHEADED.
      Now, that's my kinda gal!
      Btw: she's from California, but she lives in Florida, and she's a mother of SIX children.
      She believes in the BIBLICAL pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture and she's CRAZY on JESUS.
      Me too!
      Here you can see her in action: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/oh-my-god-where-did-they-go.html#more

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      Atheism is Madness
      3:50 AM




      Ok, luke 10:25

      25And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?26He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live

      John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

      We are free from the law in Jesus Christ. Obviously we don't steal, lie, fornicate, murder, prideful, covetousness etc. Those born again in the Spirit of God know these things because He wrote it in our hearts and conscious. If you follow these commandments first puting Jesus Christ first everything else will be followed without question.

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  11. +Carol Styron
    No, you are wrong, but believe what you want, because its not forbidden to be left behind after the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.


    JESUS (the) Christ is the GREEK-ENGLISH version of Yeshua (ha) Mashiach, and in my language, Dutch, it's JEZUS Christus.

    It's about the MEANING of the name JESUS-YESHUA: 'I AM SALVATION'.

    YHWH stands for 'I AM, that I AM', which is God's NAME and in short it's 'I AM'.

    JESUS is 'I AM' in the capacity of SAVIOR.

    Satan hates the name of JESUS and no normal born again person will call his/her son Jesus.
    But Catholics do, and their 'jesus' is a FALSE 'jesus'.

    Christ JESUS (MESSIAH YESHUA) means 'the anointed I AM SALVATION'.

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    Carol Styron
    5:08 AM




    +John Bowden. Everything I say is in Scripture. What you say is faulty Christian doctrine. You cannot prove or even find a "rapture" in the Bible. The little bit of Scripture that your preachers speak of is not in context. For example, the last trumpet comes directly before the second coming. Not before some made up rapture. Please look deeper. I know your heart is for YHWH. You just don't know him. There is no such person as Jesus Christ. YHWH's Son is Y'shua ha Mashiach. A million Mexicans are Jesus. You cannot understand the Bible if YOU, not your teachers do not know it from beginning to the end - IN CONTEXT. I won't bother you anymore but I will pray for you.
    Carol Styron
    5:10 AM




    You are correct. Unfortunately most believe the wrong gospel because they are being taught in the Harlot Church by false prophets. The whole of the Bible is the only truth that exists.
    Carol Styron
    5:13 AM




    + Han. Most of what you say is soooo wrong. Read your Bible from the beginning to the end and do not go from one verse unto the next until you are sure you understand the simple truth of what you are reading. Paul is not our apostle. Our goal is to get to our Father, YHWH through His Son, Y'shua ha Mashiach. Paul's letters are usually misinterpreted to one's destruction. Peter tells us that.

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  12. +msged2007
    Yeah, that's the problem because MILLIONS call themselves 'Christians'
    , while they're not even born again and saved, and especially Catholics, but also a lot of Protestants and even Evangelicals.

    But you know what?
    Be VERY HAPPY with what you believe, and you wouldn't even listen to JESUS through the Apostle Paul.
    Paul is our main teacher on behalf of JESUS and not Peter: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/07/jesus-vs-paul-very-important-message.html

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    msged2007
    Jul 20, 2016




    +Hans S 1) I am a Christian, not a Catholic.

    2) What passage are you using to refer to the mystery? Please quote the reference.

    And 3) Ephesians 3 plainly shows that there is only 1 group of "God's people" which consists of both Jews and Gentiles, not 2 separate groups with 2 separate plans of salvation. All Jewish believers and all Gentile believers are to be reconciled to God in one body, not two. Your doctrine is in error. Just go read Ephesians 2 and 3; it is as plain as day.
    topekapc
    6:37 AM
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    This Rock = JESUS, NOT Peter.. if that is what you were referring to

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  13. +msged2007
    You base this on the MASONIC King James Bible, but seven English translations prior to the release of the KJV1611
    talked about the DEPARTURE or DEPARTING (of the Body of Christ) in 2 Thessalonians 2:3
    King James was a MASON and a servant of the Vatican, and the Vatican and Satan HATE the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because Satan wants to MURDER all true believers in JESUS Christ.

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    msged2007
    Jul 19, 2016




    +Hans S The body of Christ began when our Lord Jesus told Peter that "and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it." And who made that proclamation? Peter did. The church that exists today began on the day of Pentecost, and the very first members were the disciples.

    As a matter of fact, why then did the Lord send Peter, a Jew, to Cornelius, a Gentile, to give to him what Peter himself received? Can a Gentile be saved under your "Jewish gospel?" Because this one surely was, as it was Peter that led him to the Lord, not Paul. And Philip witnessed to non-Jews (Samaritans and the Ethiopian, Acts 8) BEFORE Paul was even converted, so the Gentile church was already in existence when Paul was converted.

    Your doctrine has caused you to misread the scriptures. You had better go and look again.....
    Hans S
    Jul 19, 2016




    +msged2007
    A CATHOLIC wouldn't have said it better than you.
    Your theology is as Roman Catholic as can be!
    Only JESUS Himself can convince Catholics that they're wrong and you didn't even read the article.
    Peter received a foretaste of what was to come and that also the gentiles would belong to the Body of Christ, but it wouldn't be Peter who would initiate the Body of Christ but of course JESUS Himself through the SUDDEN conversion of Saul into Paul.
    For the first time the MYSTERY (the SECRET), the Body of Christ is being mentioned, and not by Peter or the other Apostles, but by the SPECIAL Apostle Paul.

    I challenge you to read this article: The Church (the Body of Christ) http://doctrine.org/the-church-the-body-of-christ/
    msged2007
    Jul 20, 2016




    +Hans S 1) I am a Christian, not a Catholic.

    2) What passage are you using to refer to the mystery? Please quote the reference.

    And 3) Ephesians 3 plainly shows that there is only 1 group of "God's people" which consists of both Jews and Gentiles, not 2 separate groups with 2 separate plans of salvation. All Jewish believers and all Gentile believers are to be reconciled to God in one body, not two. Your doctrine is in error. Just go read Ephesians 2 and 3; it is as plain as day.
    topekapc
    Oct 26, 2016
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    This Rock = JESUS, NOT Peter.. if that is what you were referring to
    Hans S
    Oct 26, 2016




    +msged2007
    Yeah, that's the problem because MILLIONS call themselves 'Christians', while they're not even born again and saved, and especially Catholics, but also a lot of Protestants and even Evangelicals.

    But you know what?
    Be VERY HAPPY with what you believe, and you wouldn't even listen to JESUS through the Apostle Paul.
    Paul is our main teacher on behalf of JESUS and not Peter: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/07/jesus-vs-paul-very-important-message.html
    msged2007
    5:27 AM




    +Hans S And Paul said that we would not be gathered unto the Lord until the falling away happens, and then the man of sin is revealed by committing the abomination of desolation........

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    1. +msged2007 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      6 For it is a righteous thing with God, to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you,
      7 And to you which are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall show himself from heaven with his mighty Angels,
      8 In flaming fire, rendering vengeance unto them, that do not know God, and which obey not unto the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ,

      Don't take verses out of context!

      Paul said REST WITH US!

      When?

      After the rapture, when people like you who trouble people like me will get what they BELIEVE: PERSECUTION and TRIBULATION.

      But the Body of Christ is NOT appointed to God's wrath.

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      msged2007
      7:03 AM




      +Hans S The fact that you believe "the departure" could possibly be referring to the body of Christ shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the Thessalonian letters, both logically and linguistically. If you want to know what Chapter 2 verses 1-10 mean, then go back to Chapter 1 and get the context.

      Does the Apostle Paul belong to the body of Christ? Yes.

      So, when the rapture/resurrection takes place, he will go? Yes.

      And when did he expect to go? 2 Thessalonians 1: When the Lord Jesus will be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire!

      Does this sound like a secret, pre-first seal coming to you?

      You should really watch "the rapture of the church according to the apostle Paul" on my Youtube channel. At least then you would have a working understanding on which to base your conclusions.

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    2. +msged2007
      It's the other way around and you are deceived and you don't seem to care.

      The Body of Christ will be GONE to HEAVEN after Revelation 3.
      You follow the WRONG gospel for the Jews, which is the Kingdom Gospel and I follow the RIGHT gospel, which is the Gospel of GRACE, taught by Paul on behalf of JESUS.
      You try to EARN your salvation by preparing to be a martyr during the coming Time of Jacob's Trouble, and I embrace the UNDESERVED GRACE I've been given by God-the Lord JESUS.
      Good luck during the coming SLAUGHTER of MOST of the future followers of JESUS, AFTER the rapture.

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      msged2007
      12:04 AM




      +Hans S And right there is the crux of your mistake; equating the time of trouble with God's wrath. Everytime you guys make this mistake, you lead yourself off of the reservation and become beholden to this fantasy that you keep perpetuating. As far as I am concerned; you're already so deep into it that you can not be reasoned out of it, and so I will simply let reality show you your error. When you see the abomination of desolation, you will know who the anti-christ is, and when you see the sun darkened, the moon turned like blood, and the stars darkened, then know that Jesus is about to be revealed, in the manner that 2 Thessalonians 1 describes. THAT was the coming that Paul himself was waiting for, and as he is a representative of the body of Christ, THAT is the coming that we shall see.

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    3. +msged2007
      You say that from your UNBELIEF.
      I told you before you believe in Roman Catholic doctrine.


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      msged2007
      1:29 AM




      +Hans S Good luck to you as well; you'll be here with the rest of us....

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    4. +msged2007
      Wow, calling a biblical teaching a fantasy doctrine.

      I wonder whether you're really saved and born again.
      Tell me: WHERE'S the Body of Christ AFTER Revelation 3?

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      msged2007
      2:11 AM




      +Hans S My only unbelief in this conversation is unbelief in a fantasy doctrine supported by twisting the scriptures.....

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    5. +msged2007
      Revelation is written in chronological order and currently we're still living in the dispensation of grace
      concerning the mysterious Body of Christ, while you talk about 'churches', which is a CATHOLIC mistranslation of 'assemblies' in most Bibles.
      Revelation 4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      1 After this I looked, and behold, a door was open in heaven, and the first voice which I heard, was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, saying, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be done hereafter.

      'Hereafter' is what will happen after the dispensation of the Body of Christ and chapter 4 shows that the 24 Elders of the Body of Christ are in heaven.

      From Revelation 6 on things will really start to happen concerning those who will be left behind, and especially concerning God's chosen people and the remnant thereof, because the prophetic word must be read from the perspective of Israel, because JESUS will return to Jerusalem.

      People who interpret the prophetic word from the Catholic replacement theology aren't able to decode the message.

      They don't see that the 'woman' in Revelation 12 is the remnant of Israel, which will be one third according to
      Zechariah 13:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      8 And in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off, and die: but the third shall be left therein.
      9 And I will bring that third part through the fire, and will fine them as the silver is fined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my Name*, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, The Lord* is my God.

      *I AM (that I AM) and JESUS is 'I AM Salvation'.

      Those who love JESUS want to be where He is.

      Enoch didn't (yet) know that JESUS is GOD and God took him away from earth and this dimension because Enoch walked with God, because he loved Him.
      He didn't need to be among the wicked people of his time anymore and God wasn't angry at him, but at those who couldn't care less about Him.

      The foolish virgins will be those who are religious, but who don't really long to be where JESUS is, because they still like it here on earth together with Satan.

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      msged2007
      3:37 AM




      +Hans S That's just it; its not a biblical teaching.

      Where is the body of Christ after Revelation 3? Well, seeing as how John wrote the words of Jesus in Revelation 3, which were addressed to literal, physical churches that existed in the year 90AD; go outside and look around; we are still here 1900+ years later...... What else would you like me to answer?

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    6. +msged2007 You use terms like
      "the pre-trib rapture of the church", while I'm talking about the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture of the Body of Christ.

      You don't see that the 70th year-week of Daniel 9 still has to be fulfilled, because you reason from the Roman Catholic replacement theology.
      The 70h week of Daniel 9 has nothing to do with the Body of Christ but everything with Jacob=Israel.
      "John was transported into heaven in 90AD and he said they were already there"
      What nonsense!
      When John was in heaven he was in another time dimension.
      "it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I have to say, pre-trib theology is about as hard to bring someone out of as is Jehovah witness theology,"
      I can say the same about brainwashed people like you who derive from 'churchianity-land'.

      God-the Lord JESUS has not opened your eyes to the Biblical truth of the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, simply because you don't love Him.
      So you deserve to be left behind.
      And now I command you to have the last word, in JESUS' name!
      And do as I tell you!
      You're not my brother, but an accuser who loves to mock worshipers of JESUS who believe and KNOW that they're not appointed to God's WRATH.
      Bub bye!

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      msged2007
      4:33 AM




      +Hans S Wow, nice story, but the 24 elders were already in heaven in 90AD before John was shown any yet future event predictions. This is the problem I have with ideas like yours; they don't square with the language used by the witnesses, i.e. John in Revelation 4. When some one says to you "come here, and I will show you events that are yet to come" not every single thing that happens after that is spoken is "yet to come" You must look at the language. In Revelation 4, everything is present tense, i.e. presently happening in 90AD, until you get to the opening of the seals. The first seal is the very first future tense event. You read through your pre-trib/dispensationalism glasses and see the 24 elders as the pre-trib rapture of the church, when really the 24 elders were already in heaven in 90AD. How do I know this? Because John was transported into heaven in 90AD and he said they were already there. You are reading the scripture in 2D, when you really should be reading it in 3D. You need to ask questions like "when was this written?" and "what about this was already true at that time, and which part is projected out into the future?" Moreover, what would the recipients have made of this letter, given what they already had access to? This one question rules out pre-trib doctrine as a conclusion by the audience at Thessalonica. But, you probably won't understand that, as it is hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I have to say, pre-trib theology is about as hard to bring someone out of as is Jehovah witness theology, as it is about as equally blinding and brainwashing. Once someone is taught to "see" pre-trib in the scriptures, it is exceptionally hard to un-program them. Youtube "the rapture of the church according to the apostle Paul" if you really want to see what I believe and how I back it up.

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  14. +Michele Mcguire
    So you don't believe in the prophetic necessity of the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture?


    The prophetic word is about Israel and I believe the Body of Christ (which started with the sudden conversion of Saul into Paul, and he was the first to even use the term 'Body of Christ') will be gone to where JESUS is, after Revelation 3.

    I agree with +J Wing on this
    Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

    This is great teaching concerning the rapture: Pre Wrath Rapture?
    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/11/pre-wrath-rapture.html

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    Shyann Loving Warriorforchrist
    Extended circles - Sep 29, 2015

    Book of Revelation originally shared:

    Pre-Trib Rapture LEADERS & FOLLOWERS die by Sword & Famine at Jeremiah 14!

    Similar Pre-Tribulation Rapture & Prosperity Movements were tried during Jeremiah's time with deadly consequences! The lying Prophets were preaching "ASSURED PEACE" when God was about to bring "Sword & Famine" on the Land (Seal 2-4).
    Also today, Pre-Trib & Prosperity are preaching "Assured Peace" when God is about to bring Seal 2-4 on the Earth in the Beginning of Birth Pains (Matt 24:7-8).

    Listen to God's words at Jeremiah 14:13-16 and see if you see any similarities in today's modern times.
    Notice the Consequences God determined for the "Lying Prophets" and notice the Consequences for those that "Listen" to "Lying Prophets".......
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    Jeremiah 14:
    13 Then I said: “Ah, Lord God, behold, the prophets say to them,
    ‘You shall NOT see the SWORD, Seal 2 & 4)
    * NOR shall you have FAMINE,* (seal 3 & 4)
    but I will give you ASSURED PEACE in this place.’”
    14 And the Lord said to me:
    “The prophets are prophesying LIES IN MY NAME.
    I did not send them,
    nor did I command them or speak to them.
    They are prophesying to you a lying vision,
    worthless divination, & the deceit of their own minds.

    Jeremiah 14:15-16 Continued...
    DEADLY CONSEQUENCES
    15 Therefore thus says the Lord
    concerning the prophets who prophesy in my name
    although I did not send them,
    and who say,
    ‘SWORD & FAMINE SHALL NOT COME UPON THIS LAND’:
    By SWORD & FAMINE THOSE PROPHETS shall be CONSUMED.
    16 *& THE PEOPLE TO WHOM THEY PROPHESY
    shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem,
    VICTIMS OF FAMINE & SWORD,
    with none to bury them—them, their wives, their sons, and their daughters.
    For I will pour out their evil upon them.
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    Both the Pre-Tribulation Rapture & Prosperity Movement teach what the "Lying Prophets" were promoting during Jeremiah's time.
    They also instruct, "No Sword" or "Famine" will befall God's people.
    Instead, they insist, you will be raptured up BEFORE "Sword" & "Famine" comes in Seals 2, 3 & 4 or "the Beginning of Birth Pains." Matthew 24:7-8.
    Like in Jeremiah's time they teach "ASSURED PEACE" or escape of God's Judgments coming in Seals 2, 3 & 4 - "Sword" & "Famine."

    YHWH'S CCONSEQUENCES are CLEAR!
    & His Judgment stands today!
    Since The Pre-Tribulation & Prosperity movement say,
    "Sword and famine shall not come upon this land’:
    By SWORD & FAMINE THOSE PROPHETS shall be CONSUMED." (Jer.14:15)
    WOW!
    Destroyed by the very thing they prophesied against.

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    1. Not only will the Teachers & Instructors of Pre-Trb get Sword" & "Famine,"
      but also, "THE PEOPLE TO WHOM THEY PROPHESY" shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem, VICTIMS OF FAMINE & SWORD."
      Wow! Wow! Wow!

      If you are Teaching, Promoting or even Listening and Believing this MADNESS, you are marked for destruction in Seal 2, 3 & 4...The Beginning of Birth Pains.

      To add further insult to injury, God instructs His true obedient followers in verse 11: “DO NOT PREY FOR THE WELFARE OF THIS PEOPLE.
      12 Though they fast, I will not hear their cry,
      and though they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I will not accept them.
      But I will CONSUME THEM by the SWORD, by FAMINE, and by PESTILENCE.”
      Wow! Wow! Wow!

      For those that wish to dismiss God's words in Jeremiah 14, Remember God's instructions at 2 peter 1:19-20 to "Pay Attention" to the Prophets
      "19 ...as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation.
      21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

      "Many are called but few are chosen" Matthew 22:14
      Pre-Trib & Prosperity are NOT even called...
      They are not even in the race...

      May you warn these Movements, Leaders and Listeners, before God destroys them very soon...
      May God raise you up to speak His words to these marked for destruction and give them WARNING...fulfilling to duties of a Watchmen at Ezekiel 3.
      If you need strength your encouragement & instructions from God are at Ezekiel 2!

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      2 Peter 1:19-20, Rev 10:7

      If you have been thrown out of a church for asking too many questions or find yourself constantly exposing corruption getting you into trouble, Ezekiel 2 is for you!
      ...and you are the sort of Person God wishes to further train, prepare and weaponize by means of His Words.
      We have been looking for you....
      It is time to armor up, sharpen your sword and prepare for spiritual war..as you well know...
      Time is short...the Trumpets will soon blow...and the Fire will be Unleashed...
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      Hans S
      Sep 29, 2015




      +Fitly Spoken +Shyann Loving Warriorforchrist

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    2. This is MADNESS!
      Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

      Mysterious Body of Christ http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Mysterious%20Body%20of%20Christ

      Real followers of JESUS have NOTHING to do with the satanic prosperity 'gospel'.

      They read the Bible, while being filled with God's Holy Spirit=JESUS in spiritual capacity, and the BEST teacher.

      Satan's Attack on The Mystery Gospel
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/satans-attack-on-mystery-gospel.html
      Shawn Petterson
      Oct 10, 2015




      I think some people are missing something here . We've been dying of the sword and famine and have been consumed with it for centuries, so is it not going to happen or is it going to happen more than it already is, or is it just the people that were prophesizing it either way , have been or are being punished or not punished, and evil is being poured on their families, until their bloodlines R gone he end of dare's dead or alive, so maybe nothings starting or ending but yet we're right smack dab in the middle. Either that or what all that other stuff said. I don't know I didn't read it all. I like texting too much.
      Edward Scillia
      Nov 14, 2015




      MAT 21;22
      J Wing
      May 16, 2016+
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      Jeremiah was talking of the false prophets of ISRAEL at that time who said the Babylonians would not conquer Jerusalem but they would survive and be protected. Jeremiah was telling Israel to SURRENDER and GO OUT of the city to the Babylonians.

      Wow talk about twisting God's word to included Pre-Trib rapture people. That is quite a stretch.

      Why such hatred when we preach the only way to be saved is by BELIEVING ON JESUS alone and not in your own works Eph2:8-9.

      Don't forget Jesus himself said it would be like the days of Lot and Noah. If you look at both Lot was REMOVED FROM THE CITY before they were torched. Noah was REMOVED FROM THE WORLD in a boat before the rains fell. Both show God's REMOVAL of the righteous before judgment falls.

      btw Satan's habit is to attack the truth in hopes that people don't believe it. Satan never attacks the lies.
      Michele Mcguire
      6:21 AM




      Famine for hearing the truth..
      Michele Mcguire
      6:22 AM




      Lol..and you're not going to be removed unless you die physically

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    3. Strange person, this Michele Mcguire: as soon as I responded to her and shared some of her posts on his Google+ page about the Jesuits, she blocked me.
      There are many people who SAY they love JESUS but PROVE through their ACTION they don't and ACTIONS speak LOUDER than WORDS!

      These are his deleted comments after the comment made by J Wing:

      Michele Mcguire
      6:21 AM
      Famine for hearing the truth..

      Michele Mcguire
      6:22 AM

      Lol..and you're not going to be removed unless you die physically

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      Now the STUPID thing of people who block me is that when I use another browser with which I'm not signed in, i can check out ALL of their posts and comments...

      It's USELESS to block me, because JESUS is with me and I am with Him!

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    4. +J Wing
      This is an indication of what you said "The only reasons why you wouldn't like that idea is because you are too caught up in this world
      and have too much to lose or you are wrongly trusting in your works to save you or prove you are saved.": https://plus.google.com/communities/103578411667896012518

      And now Michele Mcguire has deleted her comments....

      Oh well...

      Here they are again:

      Michele Mcguire
      11:08 AM
      Stop teaching the false doctrine on the false RAPTURE..and Father might just forgive you ..

      Michele Mcguire
      11:25 AM

      +J Wing​ looks like you're sucked by the enemy of God...False doctrine..CREATED by the Jesuits..look it up..I dare you!

      Michele Mcguire
      11:31 AM

      Ephesians clearly says absolutely nothing ABOUT A RAPTURE..BUT UF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GOING ANYWHERE..HAVE A NICE TRIP!!

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    5. Michele Mcguire
      Lol..you must have the new version..WHICH MAKES IT NULL AND VOID!!

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      20 m
      Michele Mcguire
      +J Wing like it or not..you've been duped!!!
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      A believer in JESUS who says to another believer in JESUS 'LAUGHING OUT LOUD' (LOL), in the beginning of a reply, shows contempt for the other.

      This not the way JESUS wants HIS followers to treat each other.

      "what do you have to lose by leaving earth to be with Jesus? I welcome that idea. I would love to see Jesus even today. Guess you don't want to see Jesus."
      +J Wing
      I say 'Amen' to that!

      No more bickering in heaven and on the New Earth and in the New Jerusalem, in the presence of God-the Lord JESUS!

      But in case we really believe He is HERE too, then this applies to this dimension too.

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      J Wing
      7:14 PM




      +Michele Mcguire I quoted you CLEAR verses from the KJV that you can verify word for word, in your own version. Yet you can not quote me any verses that show me that my verses are wrong. I insist you keep the discussion upon what the Bible says and not heresay on the Jesuits which we have problems proving.

      The 1611 Bible says clearly in the verses I quoted you that there is not only a rapture spoken of by Jesus, Paul, and John but that it occurs in Rev4:1 before the Tribulations that are to come upon the whole earth, which are the wrath of God.

      Plz try cracking open the word of God. Unless you are afraid of what you might find there. True Christians are Bereans that search the scriptures and were praised by Paul for even checking what he said.

      Besides what do you have to lose by leaving earth to be with Jesus? I welcome that idea. I would love to see Jesus even today. Guess you don't want to see Jesus.

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    6. I overlooked some other comments made by Michele Mcguire, which I normally can't see, because she has blocked me, unless I use other methods.
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      Michele Mcguire
      +Hans S​ God never said that anyone would be raptured..out of here..matter of fact the word even says he hates those whom teach his children to fly to save their souls..so that means that the rapture doctrine is a lie..False doctrine..so unless you planning on dying a physical death..you're not getting out of here..
      But there's always the Antichrist..he come before CHRIST..and he will maybe have a saucer you can get on..

      Michele Mcguire
      Sorry to tell you but EZEKIEL 38.'has nothing to do with you being rapture d anywhere..it's to do.with a war..and how they who live the Lord will be gathered to safety..which does in no way mean that you're going anywhere..really need to stop listening to the Antichrist lies

      Michele Mcguire
      And I can guarantee you that the rapture doctrine is a false doctrine ..made up by the JESUITS..

      Michele Mcguire
      +Shawn Petterson I'd say the lost sheep that posted this has a whole bag of marbles missing..Because the rapture is a false doctrine
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      Let me tell you what I think of you 'Michele Mcguire': I don't think you are saved and born again and you ATTACK genuine believers in JESUS like +J Wing and me and you MOCK us.

      I agree with J Wing that you don't seem to be longing to be where JESUS is and that you still love to be in a world together with Satan and all the other fallen angels and people who are in their power.

      The Jesuits DISTORTED the original, Biblical pre-tribulation/Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching and turned it into something else.
      THREE HUNDRED YEARS they couldn't use it, because the time wasn't yet ripe to unleash their COUNTERFEIT on the Protestants in order to DECEIVE, and then they selected certain false teachers who began to teach their falsified version of the true and Biblical pre-tribulation/Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching, so that believers wouldn't be focused on the Antichrist BY DEFAULT: the POPE/PAPACY.
      He's (it's always a MAN) the disguised Roman Emperor playing the role of a spiritual, so called Christian-religious leader.

      They used teachers like Hal Lindsey and the late Tim LaHaye to spread this falsified version of the Biblical pre-tribulation/Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching in our modern times, and the very 'successful series 'Left Behind' gave people the suggestion to await a 'mysterious man' who would 'rise out of nothing' as the Antichrist.
      And so there was 'Barack Husein Obama', who is in fact Barry Davis, the son of the late Frank Marshall Davis.
      He's still officially in power until January 20, 2017.

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    7. But the REAL 1st BEAST of Revelation 13 is the POPE/PAPACY BY DEFAULT!

      Because you don't make the distinction between The Kingdom Gospel for the Jews, and the Gospel of GRACE, by Paul, on behalf of JESUS, you are DECEIVED.

      Here's (again) your chance to get it right: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Kingdom%20Gospel-Grace%20Gospel

      In case you prove to be a JESUIT INFILTRATOR or a CIA agent, God-the Lord JESUS will expose you.

      Satan HATES the Biblical pre-tribulation/Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching, and the Roman Catholic replacement theology is a corollary of this EVIL way of thinking, because Satan also HATES the Jews, because of JESUS the JEW, who happens to be God almighty and His JUDGE!
      Hans S
      8:39 PM




      And two more comments made by Michele Mcguire I had overlooked:

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      Michele Mcguire
      There's no Damn RAPTURE..it's not BIBLICAL..it's NOT WRITTEN..MY BIBLE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A KJV..1611....I'm NOT STUPID..I'm NOT falling for your forked tongue BULLSHIT!!!

      Michele Mcguire
      The KJV 1611..is NOT MASONIC..WAKE THE HELL UP...YOU HAVE THE WRONG ONE..RAPTURE CRAP..SATAN IS THE AUTHOR OF IT..HE INSPIRED THE JESUITS TO WRITE IT..ALSO THE CRAZY WOMAN THAT WAS IN A MENTAL INSTITUTION..HAD A DREAM..AND THATS WHERE YOUR RAPTURE CRAP ORIGINATED FROM..
      WAKE UP!!!
      OR HAVE A NICE TRIP!!!

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      In 1560 the REFORMERS Bible was released, also knows as the GENEVA BIBLE, because initially is was made in Geneva, Switzerland because the translators had to flee to the continent and Switzerland due to the persecution by the Catholic Queen of England 'Bloody Mary'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_I_of_England
      After her death and after Protestant Queen Elizabeth I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_I_of_England became ruler of England in 1559, they could return to England and finish their translation of the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts.

      In 1599 an improved version was released, and 12 years later, MASONIC King James I https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I was behind the release of his version of the Bible (more than 90% based on the Geneva Bible 1599) in order to get rid of the anti-Catholic footnotes of the POPULAR Geneva Bible and also in order to make SUBTLE changes in the text.

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

      became

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

      So, DEPARTING=the RAPTURE became 'a falling away'

      and

      Acts 12:4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      4 And when he had caught him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to be kept, intending after the Passover to bring him forth to the people.

      became

      Acts 12:4 King James Version (KJV)
      4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

      So, PASSOVER became the BABYLONIAN term EASTER=ASTARTE=SEMIRAMIS=''QUEEN OF HEAVEN'='MARY!

      These are two very important SATANIC changes in the KJV1611 with respect to the BETTER Geneva Bible 1599!

      In whose interest?

      Satan of course and the EVIL, BLOODTHIRSTY VATICAN.

      So people who DEFEND the KJV1611 at the expense of the Geneva Bible 1599, with the above mentioned knowledge are doing the devil a BIG FAVOR.

      You don't have to throw away your KJV1611 copy of the Bible: make your OWN amendments in the text, based on the above information.

      But these were only a FEW examples, because there are MORE:

      King James Bible 1611 is Masonic!!
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/king-james-bible-1611-is-masonic.html

      People who IDOLIZE the KJV1611, and who refuse to acknowledge this are under the SPELL of Satan and the Vatican!

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    8. Michele Mcguire
      There's no Damn RAPTURE..it's not BIBLICAL
      ..it's NOT WRITTEN..MY BIBLE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A KJV..1611....I'm NOT STUPID..I'm NOT falling for your forked tongue BULLSHIT!!!
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      Satan HATES the pre-tribulation-Jacob's Trouble-rapture!

      HE HATES it and the VATICAN TOO!!

      So people who HATE the pre-tribulation-Jacob's Trouble-rapture are BACKSTABBERS and ENEMIES of JESUS CHRIST!

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  15. +Michele Mcguire
    Do you really love JESUS?

    It's NORMAL for a JESUS-worshiper to be wanting to be where He is.
    In His realm there are no devils and evil people.

    There are TWO ways to get there: by dying as a SAVED and BORN again person and ditto in a ZERO SECOND when the rapture happens.

    I challenge you to study this important teaching: Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

    Though I already knew there is a difference between God's plans for the Jews and God's plans for the Body of Christ, this was a revelation to me, last year, and I believe it was in June.

    May it become a revelation to you too, in JESUS' name.

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    Michele Mcguire
    11:37 AM




    HANS..I put you in the rapture doctrine category..cause it's a false doctrine..and you are stuck

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  16. WARNING AGAINST this person on Google+YouTube, who is a typical example of how DEMONIC pre-tribulation-Jacob's Trouble-rapture HATERS are.

    Example of this person's HATE against the BIBLICAL teaching of the pre-tribulation-Jacob's Trouble-rapture:

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    Michele Mcguire
    There's no Damn RAPTURE..it's not BIBLICAL..it's NOT WRITTEN..MY BIBLE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A KJV..1611....I'm NOT STUPID..I'm NOT falling for your forked tongue BULLSHIT!!!
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    Read the SATANIC GARBAGE that's coming out of this person's BRAIN against adherents of the BIBLICAL pre-tribulation-Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2016/04/rapture-under-attack-2.html?showComment=1480495206938#c8952233744828584804

    This person has THREATENED to REPORT me in order to SHUT ME UP and in order to TAKE AWAY my FREEDOM of SPEECH.
    This person is NOT a follower of JESUS, but a follower of SATAN!

    I believe this person uses a FALSE NAME/IDENTITY, and look at this person's DEMONIC profile picture, which is a picture of the BAD LION: SATAN!

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