donderdag 16 juni 2016

SATAN on SUICIDE



The above MADNESS is from this site...

There are people who really believe that Samson committed SUICIDE!

"Coming to mind is Samson, who killed himself and his Philistine captors who were mocking him."
You can read this GARBAGE here...

WELL HE DIDN'T!

God, who's in fact JESUS, gave Samson the POWER so that God could avenge Himself through Samson on the devilish Philistines, because it was a JUDGEMENT.
Samson gave his life for his people, as an IMAGE of Jesus, and therefore God = Jesus approved Samson's prayer.

Judges 16:28-30 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

28 Then Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O Lord God, I pray thee, think upon me: O God, I beseech thee, strengthen me at this time only, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
29 And Samson laid hold on the two middle pillars whereupon the house stood, and on which it was borne up: on the one with his right hand, and on the other with his left.
30 Then said Samson, Let me lose my life with the Philistines: and he bowed him with all his might, and the house fell upon the princes, and upon all the people that were therein: so the dead which he slew at his death, were more than they which he had slain in his life.

And there are even MORONS who assert that JESUS committed SUICIDE!

They reason that since He's the CREATOR He was killed by His OWN creations, so it was His own RESPONSIBILITY.

These kinds of IDIOTS don't want to know that God gave us a FREE WILL!

Read the following article on the IMPORTANT aspect called FREE WILL concerning SUICIDE:

http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/index-2.html


The reason for this topic:








Shared publicly  -  Jun 12, 2016
There will a LOT of people who believed in JESUS, who will end up in HELL!

JESUS wants to know whether people LOVED HIM!!


IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

People who committed suicide didn't LOVE JESUS, because they did not TRUST Him!
JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
9:42 AM




+Hans S Only if they believed in the wrong Jesus....or had the wrong gospel.
Hans S
2:25 PM




+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
No. I don't agree with you.
Why else did JESUS HIMSELF WARN the ASSEMBLIES (not 'churches') in Revelation 2 and 3?
If people are LUKEWARM He'll VOMIT them OUT of His MOUTH!
And I'm talking about BELIEVERS IN JESUS!!!
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=GNV&search=Revelation%203

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+3&version=WEB

You say that you know where I'm coming from, but you don't.

I was saved by JESUS AGAINST my WILL, and I was just as BAD as the Apostle Paul when he was still SHAUL (Saul).

I NEVER wanted to become a 'Christian', and I still don't call myself as such: I'm a JESUS Christian!

In principle we have eternal security, but JESUS is God and He's a PERSON and nobody can FOOL Him, though many think they can in their STUPID ARROGANCE.

I've met once saved always saved MORONS who we're just as EVIL as ATHEISTS!

Do you really think that such kinds of DEVILS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, even though they BELIEVE in JESUS, but don't DO what He says???

Then I DON'T want to go to heaven, because there will be NO DIFFERENCE with HELL!

Just the other day I was called a LIAR by a fellow believer in JESUS, because she believes in the wrong gospel and she says that the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture is a FALSE DOCTRINE.

In case she doesn't change her mind she will be LEFT BEHIND and experience the WRATH of the LAMB.

JESUS is NOT going to reward her DISBELIEF with a rapture, Enoch-style.

Enoch walked with God and He LOVED God and that's why God (is JESUS) took him away from this EVIL world.

LOVE is the criterion!

I don't call people my FRIENDS who DON'T LOVE ME!!!!

They may BELIEVE in my existence and even greet me when they see me, but if they don't LOVE me they are NOT my FRIENDS.

The same goes for JESUS!!

He doesn't NEED our LOVE, but He WANTS to be LOVED, and people PROVE that they LOVE Him by DOING what He says!

In heaven you will not DARE to show yourself with the face of a DOG!

In heaven you will not dare to refuse to answer a simple question about your AGE.

In heaven NO ONE will WANT TO block someone else!

In heaven EVERYBODY loves EVERYBODY!
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Let’s Begin At The Beginning
It’s time to set the record straight once and for all. What does it take to be saved? I think
the best answer to that question is the one the Lord gave in John 6:28-29:
Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
Here was a perfect opportunity to list all the things we have to do to meet God’s
requirements. Jesus could have rattled off the 10 commandments. He could have
repeated the Sermon on the Mount. He could have listed any number of admonitions
and restrictions necessary to achieve and maintain God’s expectations of us. But what
did He say? “Believe in the one He has sent.” Period. It was a repeat of John 3:16,
confirming that belief in the Son is the one and only requirement for salvation.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
A few chapters later, in John 6:38-40, He said that this wasn’t just His idea, as if that
wouldn’t be enough, but that His Father was in complete agreement. And not only would
our belief suffice to provide us with eternal life, but that it was God’s will that Jesus
would lose none of those who believe. You and I have been known to disobey God’s
will, but has Jesus ever done so? And isn’t He the one who’s been charged with the
responsibility for keeping us? Let’s read it:
For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who
sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that
he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that
everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I
will raise him up at the last day. (John 6:38-40)
Just in case we missed this promise, Jesus made it again even more clearly in John
10:28-30:
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out
of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can
snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.
The Father and the Son have both accepted responsibility for our security. Once we’re
in Their hands, no one can get us away.
Hans S's profile photoJ Wing's profile photo
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J Wing
Yesterday 10:58 PM
Jesus in Revelation says all OVERCOMERS will NOT be touched by the 2nd death which is Hell.
Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death.

How to be an OVERCOMER
1 John 5:5
Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

No one who BELIEVES in Jesus, will end up in Hell PERIOD. The Bible shows it in 2 clear verses and many others.






Hans S
1:31 AM
+J Wing Believing in JESUS is NOT ENOUGH!
The Pope also believes in JESUS and he's the ANTICHRIST.
The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?






J Wing
4:59 PM
+Hans S Oh wow Jesus is not enough? That is what the Catholics say too and yet you say the Catholics are wrong.
News flash the Pope doesn't believe in Jesus. He believes in MARY to save Him. That is why he's the AntiChrist.

Paul, Peter, and James ALL said FAITH IN JESUS is all you need. In fact that was all Abraham needed to be saved. Yet you think its not enough. No wonder you are all screwed up in your theology.

What did Jesus say to us.
​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be SAVED; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

John 6:40 [ Jesus speaking]
For this is the will of my Father, that EVERY ONE who sees the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

So why are you not doing what Jesus said?






Hans S
2:00 AM
+J Wing
LIAR!
You love to TWIST my words, just like SATAN!

I said that "The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?"

Now, does a person who asserts to believe in JESUS and who MURDERS him/herself, LOVE Him?

If you say that it doesn't matter, because 'once saved, always saved', then your opinion is just as DISGUSTING as Satan's SUGGESTION to Eve that it was okay to eat from the forbidden fruit and that she would NOT die!

I call this CHRISTIAN SATANISM!

I am not a CHURCH PERSON or a 'CHRISTIAN'

I AM A JESUS CHRISTIAN!


SUICIDE IS AGGRESSION and HATRED and giving in to SATAN'S LIES and NOT TRUSTING IN JESUS!



Bloodgood - Alone in Suicide - Live - English / Spanish Lyrics. 

 

 

 

Bloodgood - She's Gone 

 

 

Bloodgood - She's Gone LIVE

 

Too late to say what I feel
She's gone and the pain is so real
It was only a moment ago
I heard her words so clear
Now all that's left is a memory
Alone with my tears
She's gone

This hate burns inside of me
So dark I can't begin to see
All of God's creation watched
But had nothing to say
Now I regret anything I said
That hurt her in any way

Cause now she's gone
Nothing left to say
She's gone
No more light of day

I was there when they dropped her down
Inside the cold, cold earth
Blank stares and hopeful prayers
From those who felt this curse

She's gone
She's gone

I was there when they dropped her down
Inside the cold, cold earth
Yes, we all mourn the dead
While others arrive in birth

Cause she's gone
Nothing left to say
She's gone
No more light of day
She's gone
Nothing left to say
She's gone
No more light
No more light of day
She's gone

 

 

Rick Cua - Don't Say Suicide

 

 

Message to 'once saved, always saved' ramblers

 

 

Suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan!

 

 

46 opmerkingen:

  1. +J Wing "See how silly you look by raving that suicide is unforgivable?"

    I wouldn't be surprised if you are a JESUIT infiltrator, but whatever and whoever you are: YOU ARE A MORON!

    SATAN on SUICIDE
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/satan-on-suicide.html#more

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  2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Study this parable and tell me what you think it means? Matthew 20:1-16


    Mat 20:15
    Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
    ===
    This has nothing to do with SUICIDE:

    Matthew 20:1-16 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    20 1 Laborers hired into the vineyard. 15 The evil eye. 17 He foretelleth his passion. 20 Zebedee’s sons. 22 The cup. 28 Christ is our minister. 30 Two blind men.
    1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain householder, which went out at the dawning of the day to hire laborers into his vineyard.
    2 And he agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, and sent them into his vineyard.
    3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
    4 And said unto them, Go ye also into my vineyard, and whatsoever is right, I will give you: and they went their way.
    5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
    6 And he went about the eleventh hour, and found others standing idle, and said unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
    7 They said unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He said to them, Go ye also into my vineyard, and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
    8 And when even was come, the master of the vineyard said unto his steward, Call the laborers, and give them their hire, beginning at the last, till thou come to the first.
    9 And they which were hired about the eleventh hour, came and received every man a penny.
    10 Now when the first came, they supposed that they should receive more, but they likewise received every man a penny.
    11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the master of the house,
    12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
    13 And he answered one of them, saying, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst thou not agree with me for a penny?
    14 Take that which is thine own, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, as much as to thee.
    15 Is it not lawful for me to do as I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
    16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many are called, but few chosen.
    Hans S
    2:57 AM




    +J Wing "+JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist I think I found the root of Han's problem on another thread. He said "believing in Jesus is not enough. The pope believe in Jesus and he is the AntiChrist." Sounds almost like a page out of the 7th day Adventist."

    LIAR!
    You love to TWIST my words, just like SATAN!

    I said that "The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?"

    Now, does a person who asserts to believe in JESUS and who MURDERS him/herself, LOVE Him?

    If you say that it doesn't matter, because 'once saved, always saved', then your opinion is just as DISGUSTING as Satan's SUGGESTION to Eve that it was okay to eat from the forbidden fruit and that she would NOT die!

    I call this CHRISTIAN SATANISM!

    I am not a CHURCH PERSON or a 'CHRISTIAN'

    I AM A JESUS CHRISTIAN!

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  3. Rich Mullins Sharing

    baptism https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/baptism

    JESUS Revolution https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/JESUS%20Revolution

    Gospel of GRACE https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Gospel%20of%20GRACE

    SATAN on SUICIDE
    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/satan-on-suicide.html

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  4. +J Wing
    You just don't want to acknowledge that you have a very bad message to people with suicidal tendencies, and who CLAIM to have surrendered to JESUS.

    Following JESUS and committing suicide just don't go together.
    That's the same as saying as your last statement 'SATAN SAVES', while pretending to be a follower of JESUS.

    I'm so VERY GLAD I'm NOT a 'CHRISTIAN' or a religious PIECE OF MEAT.

    I'm and EX-ATHEIST and I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with 'Christianity, 'churches' and CHURCH-people!

    I LOVE my HERO, JESUS Christ, and no DEVIL and no 'J Wing' person can separate me from His love and MERCY.

    You hide behind your knowledge, but you don't know who JESUS really is.

    JESUS will NOT reward SELF-MURDER with salvation, just because SINNERS say that He should, according to their "RIGID LAW of GRACE".

    People have a FREE WILL and I still have the choice to say 'JESUS, I don't want to be saved...leave me alone!'.

    Then JESUS will not save me AGAINST my will.

    You assert that JESUS MUST save people, even when they show Him that they have absolutely no faith in Him.

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  5. +J Wing
    You SUGGEST a lot, just like Satan, and you avoid to talk about the subject, which is SUICIDE.


    You have an absolutely DISGUSTING message concerning suicide, perpetrated by people who asserted that they believed in JESUS.

    You believe in ROBOTS who were BRAINWASHED by God, so that God MUST save them, even when they show through their ACTIONS that they have NO FAITH in him AT ALL.

    SUICIDE IS EVIL!

    SUICIDE is giving in to SATAN!

    You suggest that I might be a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm a GENUINE ex-ATHEIST with NO Christian-religious CHURCH background.

    Well, whether you like it or not: I DO love JESUS Christ and I do BELIEVE I am saved by GRACE, not matter what YOU or SATAN or any other DEVIL is telling me!

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  6. +J Wing
    'Christian KAMIKAZE PILOTS' cannot confess their sins after the deed is done!


    MILLIONS have given their lives for JESUS while they were tortured or experienced other hardships before they died, WITHOUT thinking of the option SUICIDE.

    SUICIDE is a SPIRITUAL FORCE and giving in to this DEMONIC force is also saying 'JESUS, you CANNOT HELP ME....YOU HAVE FAILED to be my COMFORTER!'.

    Concerning your last ACCUSATIONS "But sadly you'll find out in Heaven that you have very little to show for your faith. You fight against the Bible, Christians, and even Jesus."

    WHO THE HELL DOES 'J Wing' think he is?

    GOD?

    Arrogant person!

    Show your face, COWARD!
    You hide behind your children, while they aren't even yours in eternity, because they are also meant to be like the angels and they are NOT your property.

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  7. +J Wing
    ARROGANT CHURCH FREAK!
    JESUS gave me TWO options when He saved me: commit SUICIDE or start reading the Bible.


    Suicide isn't just a sin: it's SATANISM and saying NO to JESUS!

    JESUS means 'I AM SALVATION', so a suicide perpetrator is thinking to be able to enter heaven by doing a SATANIC DEED.

    If it were possible to enter heaven this way, I would recommend it to everybody, because only MASOCHISTS like it to live in a world with SATAN and UNFRIENDLY humans like you.

    And look at the animal word and see how ROTTEN it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcFJRymHNaI

    JUST as ROTTEN as how MANY 'Christians' are toward fellow believers and others.

    The MOST EVIL and SICK people I have met are 'Christians'!

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  8. +J Wing
    Okay, here I am again: it's not your job to set me straight with the word of God: JESUS is my best coach and Bible teacher, since more than 32 years.

    Save your energy by trying to change my mind and rather tell unbelievers about JESUS.
    But is it possible to answer this simple question: do you LOVE JESUS?

    ===

    Hans S
    3:01 AM




    +J Wing "See how silly you look by raving that suicide is unforgivable?"

    I wouldn't be surprised if you are a JESUIT infiltrator, but whatever and whoever you are: YOU ARE A MORON!

    SATAN on SUICIDE
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/satan-on-suicide.html#more
    J Wing
    4:33 PM




    +Hans S
    Ah so you take the opinions of men over the Bible. Nice.
    Is suicide basically murder? And is murder a sin? And didn't Jesus say ALL SINS are forgiven? What a dummy you are not to take Jesus word for it. You don't TRUST Jesus, thats your problem.
    Matthew 12:31
    31 Wherefore I say unto you, ALL MANNER OF SIN and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

    1 John 1:9
    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to CLEANSE US FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Notice ALL so even the sin of suicide is covered if you BELIEVE on Jesus and call on His name. So sorry you like insecurity over security.
    Jesus will forgive you this blaspheme against Him, as you haven't rejected Jesus himself. But sadly you'll find out in Heaven that you have very little to show for your faith. You fight against the Bible, Christians, and even Jesus.
    Hans S
    5:24 PM




    +J Wing
    'Christian KAMIKAZE PILOTS' cannot confess their sins after the deed is done!

    MILLIONS have given their lives for JESUS while they were tortured or experienced other hardships before they died, WITHOUT thinking of the option SUICIDE.

    SUICIDE is a SPIRITUAL FORCE and giving in to this DEMONIC force is also saying 'JESUS, you CANNOT HELP ME....YOU HAVE FAILED to be my COMFORTER!'.

    Concerning your last ACCUSATIONS "But sadly you'll find out in Heaven that you have very little to show for your faith. You fight against the Bible, Christians, and even Jesus."

    WHO THE HELL DOES 'J Wing' think he is?

    GOD?

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  9. Arrogant person!

    Show your face, COWARD!
    You hide behind your children, while they aren't even yours in eternity, because they are also meant to be like the angels and they are NOT your property.
    J Wing
    7:44 PM




    +Hans S First of all you don't have Christian Kamikaze pilots. 2nd you don't have to confess your sins in order to be forgiven of all of them. Wake up. Jesus said ALL SINS are forgiven and that is the moment you accept His gift of salvation.

    I got this info from God's word on the subject. Who did you get it your info from? Your own opinion. Your opinion doesn't count cuz you are only GUESSING what is acceptable to God and what isn't.

    Jesus said when you come to Him you are forgiven of ALL YOUR SINS from that moment on. So even if a Christian loses hope and commits suicide, he dies COMPLETELY FORGIVEN

    However if a non-Christian, like you, dies or commits suicide YOU STILL HAVE ALL YOUR SINS and die unsaved because you have NOT BELIEVED on Jesus yet.

    Salvation is NOT BASED ON OUR WORKS. Its based on our FAITH, if we've accepted Jesus or not. Its not about showing faith but HAVING faith. Yep you definitely have not accepted Jesus otherwise you would know this.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

    Suicide is a work and so salvation is not based on it at all. Do you have faith in Jesus by BELIEVING what Jesus said that ALL YOUR SINS were covered on the cross? If not, you are unsaved and going to Hell. IF you believe Jesus covers ALL YOUR SINS on the cross, then you are saved and even suicide or murder won't change that, altho you as a Christian won't want to do that. You can't go to Hell even if you tried, IF YOU ARE SAVED.
    Hans S
    8:17 PM




    +J Wing
    We just don't agree, and I also believe that JESUS doesn't agree with you.
    And I really don't care what you think of me, as long as I know that JESUS loves me.
    I'm talking to a profile picture and a name 'J Wing' on the internet.

    JESUS loves you,

    Satan hates you!

    You may have the last word: I'm through with you.
    J Wing
    9:18 PM




    +Hans S
    We don't agree cuz you are WRONG. The word isn't cowardly. The word is fearful and fearful of God's judgment on sins cuz all the other reasons afterward are all sins. Sins that Jesus said He covers if we but BELIEVE on Him.

    Its not about the last word its about setting you straight with the word of God.

    BELIEVE on Jesus and you are SAVED and SAFE from God's wrath on sin which is the Lake of Fire, the 2nd death.

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  10. +J Wing
    Well thanks for answering my simple question (do you love JESUS?)
    at last, but it's really unbelievable that you don't believe that I believe in JESUS and believe that I'm saved, thanks to JESUS. ;P

    ===

    Hans S
    Yesterday 5:54 PM




    +J Wing
    I am a JESUS Christian and not a 'Christian' http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/JESUS%20Christian

    JESUS HATES COWARDLINESS!

    Revelation 21:8 World English Bible (WEB)
    8 But for the COWARDLY, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21:8&version=WEB
    J Wing
    Yesterday 9:15 PM




    +Hans S Nah I say stick with the GNV or KJV they both say FEARFUL
    Revelation 21:8 (KJV)
    8 But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

    But think about it why FEARFUL? What are they fearing? Are they not fearing God's judgment? Why would they fear God's judgment? Because they have NO SAVIOR and their SINS AREN'T PAID FOR.

    See also UNBELIEVING in that list and SINNERS? They didn't BELIEVE in Jesus to have ALL THEIR SINS PAID FOR. That is why they are FEARFUL and UNBELIEVING.

    Jesus doesn't hate cowards. Its SIN Jesus who is God hates. You pulled the wrong conclusion from the verse because the word is WRONG in the WEB.

    What is the solution to this fear and unbelieving?
    Acts 16:31
    31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    Won't you believe today and stop being fearful and unbelieving yourself?
    Hans S
    Yesterday 9:37 PM




    +J Wing
    Before I surrendered to JESUS I didn't want to have anything to do with people like you, and I still don't like people like you.
    My best friend, apart from JESUS, is a sister who's 20 years older than me, and who's an ex-atheist too.
    We NEVER have problems.
    But as soon I meet church-people, the problems start.

    We come from different worlds and we don't understand each other.

    I accept it and do you?

    Do you love JESUS?
    J Wing
    Yesterday 9:54 PM




    +Hans S
    Why are you afraid to say yes to BELIEVING in Jesus? Thats ALL it takes to be safe from the Lake of Fire forever. Seriously am I asking too much of you? You believe there is a God and a Jesus. Now TRUST in this Jesus to be saved from ALL YOUR SINS.

    If you really do love Jesus then BELIEVE in Him. plz. Thats all it takes to get to Heaven. Jesus never asked you to surrender to Him. He says BELIEVE ALSO IN ME. So do it already.

    You must have met church people who demanded you be sinless first in order to be Christian. I don't ask that. I ask what Jesus asked for.

    People says change yourself and then accept Jesus. Jesus said BELIEVE in Him and He will change you from the inside out.

    I really have nothing to gain here. You have everything to gain including Heaven. Plz do it for your own good.

    I love Jesus and that's why I BELIEVE in Him to save me from ALL MY SINS. Won't you do it too.

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  11. Hmmm...interesting...two 'churchies'...one is trying to convince me that I'm not saved yet and the other thinks I don't study the word of God, and one is talking to me through this picture of the Supergate in Stargate SG1 series https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ylgb-JcRdZ8/Ug8r-WT9n-I/AAAAAAAAD8w/XOe3bqU69okkvOA4ufX1mQPf_sZ5zCOMgCL0B/s360-no/Supergate%2BActivated.JPG

    and the other one through this picture https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-SdP7hIYXXg8/VzVm22pDh1I/AAAAAAAALz4/Z2rYB4jsxggAFcZvnFZNFWkS_ayg_8R9QCL0B/s250-no/16%2B-%2B1%2B%25281%2529.gif what seems to be a smiling dog....

    Hey +J Wing is this you https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3oQoEuPr8ck/Ug0v8aF-mqI/AAAAAAAAD7g/6K7jetckEhQ5VqWDLmXneqzpkkyd9IseQCL0B/s251-no/Juli15-780910.JPG with your wife and one of your children?

    If so, then you're still very young.
    I'm 56: how old are you?

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist I need this and I need that....ah come on, get REAL, Joyce!

    You know what I need?
    Or better said, WHO I need?

    JESUS!
    Everyday and every moment of the day, and He's NOT letting me down.
    So what are you as a fellow SAVED SINNER trying to tell me?

    That you're superior to me?

    WELCOME TO CONCENTRATION CAMP EARTH, WITH SATAN AS ITS MASTER under the supervision of God, aka JESUS, who wants to see who REALLY loves Him.

    Watch this film on what following JESUS is all about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn6yGnupgPo

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  12. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Are you CORRECTING me or are you CONTROLLING me?
    We know each other a bit for quite some time and then you come with such questions, as if it's an INTERROGATION.


    I AM asking you whether you love JESUS, because so many people who believe in JESUS are no different than PAGANS, BANGING fellow believers on their heads with BIBLES and BIBLE VERSES.

    For your information, and BELIEVE it or not:

    I am SAVED by JESUS thanks to His BLOOD that was shed for me, and I LOVE Him, because He FIRST LOVED me.

    And JESUS is GOD!

    I'm not asking you again whether you LOVE JESUS, because such a question is much too CHILDISH to you.

    DANG!

    Luke 18:15-17 World English Bible (WEB)
    15 They were also bringing their babies to him, that he might touch them. But when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them. 16 Jesus summoned them, saying, “Allow the little children to come to me, and don’t hinder them, for God’s Kingdom belongs to such as these. 17 Most certainly, I tell you, whoever doesn’t receive God’s Kingdom like a little child, he will in no way enter into it.”

    Luke 18:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
    15 And they brought unto him also infants, that he would touch them: but when his disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
    16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
    17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
    Hans S
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    +J Wing
    Why don't you just say how old you are?

    Can you say: "Lord JESUS JESUS I LOVE you and I PRAISE you and I THANK you for what you have done for me and for what you're still doing for me!" ?

    Can you say: "My FATHER and Lord JESUS, you are MY GOD!"?

    Can you say: "Satan you are a RELIGIOUS PIECE OF JUNK! Go AWAY in JESUS' name!" ?

    Now you and Joyce can +1 each others comments again, so that I can see that CHURCH PEOPLE always cover each other up AGAINST an EX-aTHEIST like me.

    MAN, I'm so GLAD my SALVATION doesn't depend on YOUR approval.

    Again: saying that SUICIDE is a SIN that will be forgiven when it's done by believers in JESUS is ENCOURAGING people who are listening to the SPIRIT of SUICIDE to give it it try.

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    1. And I also don't believe that LEWD fallen angels had working PENISES and TESTICLES with which they could IMPREGNATE women before the Flood, generating the giants.

      ANGELS weren't created with GENITALS!
      Fallen angels know a LOT and they are able to INSPIRE people to MANIPULATE DNA/RNA, but they DON'T have the KNOWLEDGE to DECODE the TREE OF LIFE and the details of PROCREATION.

      That's God's SECRET.

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      PS: I don't trust anything coming from the USA (NAZI-AMERICA), so if people choose to be mysterious and if they are hostile to me, I immediately suspect them to be CIA-agents or JESUITS or other Vatican-related trolls.

      Google+YouTube and ALL social media are SPY-tools of the Vatican controlled NSA.
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      J Wing
      4:58 PM




      +Hans S This has nothing to do with age and I like stargate in that it helped understand Egyptian funeral rites that is virtually the same as the Catholicism's prayer for the dead. Also I see a move to try to explain that men can ascend like the Stargate shows show. Know your enemy's understanding and you can thwart it.

      I have 2 and I'm much older than I look. Thats an old picture anyway. Again its not about age.

      Again its not us who are saying you need 1 thing only. It is God saying it in the Bible. Why do you resist God and assume you know everything?

      Again if you do believe Jesus then why are you so resistant on being corrected by the Bible which says clearly ALL SINS past, present, and future are ALL FORGIVEN? Sense this is true, the sin of suicide is also forgiven, as long as the person has BELIEVED ON Jesus like Romans says.
      Romans 10:9
      That *if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart
      that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.*

      Will you? It seems to both of us you only pay Jesus lip service while not really believing what Jesus said concerning forgiveness.
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      +Hans S Following Jesus is not the gospel of salvation, asking Jesus into our heart is not the gospel of salvation, saying a prayer or going to the front of the church is not the gospel, begging God to forgive all your sins is not the gospel.

      The Gospel of salvation is ETERNAL LIFE AND SALVATION.

      Do you know the GOSPEL? Do you believe the gospel?

      Jesus spoke to me too years ago, I was lost and I was tired of everything and Jesus told me to go to a certain church the next service on Sunday where some of my friends were going at the time and had invited me.

      I obey the Lord and I went to Church that Sunday but THAT IS NOT WHAT SAVED ME..it was there that I learned the gospel and what it meant for Jesus to pay the price of my sins.

      No one asked me do I love Jesus, no one asked me do I love them....So I ask you again do you know the gospel of salvation and do you believe it?

      THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO BE SAVED.

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    2. +J Wing
      Thanks for telling me your age.
      Now: are YOU saved and are you glad you won't burn in the lake of fire?


      You still don't get it concerning SUICIDE, perpetrated by believers in JESUS.

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      J Wing
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      +Hans S I'm 40 but that makes no difference of what the Bible is saying. You are attempting to drag in tons of issues that you have no understanding of. Why are you not willing to confess with your mouth and BELIEVE in Jesus for forgiveness of your sins?

      Until you do you are only lying to yourself. None of those issues have anything to do with the permanency of salvation. Stay on subject plz.

      Physical suicide is a covered sin by Jesus. If you truly were saved you would understand this. Basically there is NO SIN TOO GREAT FOR JESUS TO FORGIVE. If you think there are some sins that Jesus can't forgive aside from rejecting Him as savior, list them and the verse that says it is unforgiveable.

      Physical suicide is something you've DO, which is works. Eph2:8-9 says salvation is NOT BY WORKS.

      I'm sorry you just don't get the folly you suggest.

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  13. +J Wing
    So IF you commit suicide you are simultaneously able to confess this to God-the Lord JESUS as a very grave sin?


    That's pretty satanic!

    But listen: your tone and attitude reminds of someone who's a little younger than you and who's NOT saved, though he has a Christian-religious background.

    You were 8 years old when JESUS saved me when I had just become 24.

    Now I don't look down on younger people as I also don't like to be looked down upon by older people, but your attitude is quite arrogant.
    I'm glad you believe in JESUS, but you don't seem to be overjoyed with gladness that you won't burn in hell, which is what we ALL deserve.

    In the beginning of my conversion I met a one year younger dude, who was a few years older than me, as a believer in JESUS, and for a while he was an example to me, just because he knew more than me.
    But he taught fallacies and to make a long story short: he was a false teacher who didn't listen to anybody but himself.
    He killed himself with a bullet through his head.
    His suicide letter was filled with accusations toward his mother...poor mother.
    I know this because someone I know talked to her, and this person (a fellow believer in JESUS) knew this suicidal 'Christian' longer than me.

    The moment brothers informed me about his death and how he had killed himself, I said 'what a BASTARD!' or something like that in Dutch, though I didn't have contact with him for quite some time.

    I was ANGRY at him!

    He had deceived so many people during his life as a 'Christian' and he had also deeply grieved his relatives and especially his mother.

    He was in fact ANGRY at GOD-the Lord JESUS!

    Now, according to your 'mathematical stance toward grace' he is saved.

    I DOUBT IT!

    I am not judging or condemning, but I DOUBT IT.

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    J Wing
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    +Hans S
    Yes because I BELIEVE on Jesus who takes care of the punishment for ALL MY SINS (past, present, & future). Jesus said who ever seeks Him will find Him and whoever goes to Him he will NOT TURN THEM AWAY.

    So if I commit suicide for whatever reason the sin is paid for. There is no wrath of God left for me to suffer period.

    You don't seem to understand that when Jesus said ALL SINS are paid for He meant ALL SINS. Suicide is a sin and so Jesus covers it, IF YOU BELIEVE in Jesus.

    So do you? You still haven't answered that question. Either you are afraid to answer or you don't know because you desperately want to hold onto the idea that certain sins are unforgiveable.

    What is the only unforgiveable sin? See if you know your Bible. Then you will see the folly of your assertion that suicide can't be forgiven.

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  14. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I know JESUS! JESUS IS the gospel: the GOOD news!

    He has created me, He made me a believer in Him when I was about 6 years old at a Protestant kindergarten, due to the influence of my Catholic mom, who would rather have sent her children to a Catholic kindergarten, but this Protestant kindergarten was the closest to home, and the Catholic kindergarten was too far from home and my dad wouldn't have approved it, because of his atheism, and then He allowed it to happen that I developed into an atheist, because I didn't go to meetings with other believers ('church'/congregation/assembly) and because I went to non-christian public schools, due to the influence of my atheist dad.
    I grew up believing in evolution and the 'big bang' and that there is NO 'god'.
    All religious people were fools to me, but as long as they didn't try to control my life, I could live with them, and I wasn't an aggressive anti-christian person, as many current atheists are.
    I'm not going to tell my whole testimony here, but JESUS saved me for the first time when I was almost 21 at the end of 1980: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/06/mr-universe-my-conversion-song.html
    This didn't last long (about a week) and then I became an apostate again, because I didn't want t have anything to do with 'Christians' and 'churches', and because I didn't yet understand why the the teachings of the Apostles are so important and especially the teachings of the Apostle Paul.
    But God-the Lord JESUS allowed it to happen, and then a period followed of a little over 3 years during which I developed my own concept about God and the devil.
    When JESUS came into my life for the THIRD and final time, He made my experience so STRONG that I'll never forget from WHAT He has saved me: HIS TERRIBLE WRATH!
    But He also TALKED to me with with so much LOVE that I'll never forget how much He LOVES me.

    Now you or anyone else may DOUBT whether I'm really saved, but it's the word of a fellow WRETCH/SINNER against JESUS.

    I've been called a SATANIST, DEMON, WORSE THAN SATAN, PIG, PERVERT and much more, and not by unbelievers,but by believers in (their version of) JESUS!

    I really DON'T CARE anymore!

    I'm only trying to make friends with people, but most people don't understand me.

    SO WHAT?

    I've got JESUS!

    Not the MILKMAN...no: GOD ALMIGHTY, who became a sinless man.

    "So can you tell me what is the gospel of salvation?"

    Again: JESUS is the gospel of SALVATION=JESUS is the GOOD NEWS of SALVATION.

    His very name (from YESHUA) means 'I AM SALVATION'.

    But the issue here is SUICIDE, perpetrated by a 'believer in JESUS'.

    Is a believer in JESUS still a BELIEVER in JESUS at the moment he or she is committing SUICIDE?

    MY ANSWER IS: NO!

    Read this article AGAIN (or for the first time): https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/05/satans-great-scheme.html

    And this goes for you too, +J Wing 
    Hans S
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    +J Wing You reason the same as that guy I told you about and who blasted a bullet through his head, as a 'believer in JESUS'.

    "You do NOT need confession to be forgiven. That is a Catholic requirement."

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    1. It's a BIBLICAL and DIVINE requirement!

      1 John 1:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      1 John 1:9 World English Bible (WEB)
      9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


      Confess to God the LORD JESUS and not to some other human being!

      You and Joyce preach a very DANGEROUS 'gospel'!

      You say that after having been saved it's PERMISSIBLE to COMMIT SUICIDE!

      You preach a SUICIDE-gospel'.

      A SLAP in the FACE of JESUS!

      You take sides with the DEVIL, because deep down inside you want to keep the OPTION of SUICIDE OPEN!!

      Joyce once said something like 'why don't we all commit suicide?" when she was depressed about so many NEGATIVE findings she had done about the USA, 'her' country.

      I encouraged her, saying that we're CITIZENS of HEAVEN, and our KINGDOM is NOT of this world!

      If we truly love JESUS then our KINGDOM is His KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

      'My country' is also AGAIN part of the Roman Empire through the EU, the revived Roman Empire.

      In the past I have been also distressed about it, but not anymore, because it's part of prophesy.

      The WHOLE world will turn against ISRAEL, because JESUS is coming back to CLAIM this piece of real estate for HIMSELF and Satan tries to thwart this through HIS Vatican and HIS 'POPE', who's the hidden Roman Emperor.

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    2. You're still entitled to your opinion, but let's AGREE that we DON'T AGREE on the subject 'suicide is permissible in case one has been saved by believing in JESUS' and I would like to END this discussion.

      It's not giving me JOY to talk to you about this and I don't like it when Satan is trying to steal my happiness from me!

      Forgive me that I thought you are a CIA-infiltrator or some kind of JESUIT, but I'm honest and I don't call you my FRIEND.

      That's a SHAME, because JESUS wants HIS SAVED people to LOVE each other, but I have a hard time to love people who constantly question the fact that I'm saved by the BLOOD of JESUS and who are condoning suicide.

      People who don't love me are NOT my friends!

      People who don't love JESUS are NOT His friends!

      People may say that they believe in Him, but they SHOW that they LOVE Him by their ACTIONS and those actions are NOT works, but DEEDS of LOVE.

      Read the whole book of the half brother of JESUS, James: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/message-to-once-saved-always-saved.html

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Hans S Please stay on topic, I asked you the question first...Do you know the GOSPEL? Do you believe the gospel?
      So can you tell me what is the gospel of salvation?

      If you don't know the gospel then how do you know you are saved? If you don't know the gospel then of course you wouldn't know that you have eternal life which is a FREE GIFT and which is eternal security.

      If you don't trust me why do you keep talking to me? You came here to my post and you published it.
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      +Hans S You do NOT need confession to be forgiven. That is a Catholic requirement.
      You only need to have FAITH in Jesus to be saved and forgiven.

      So regardless of whether you like it or not, that believer who committed suicide HAS BEEN FORGIVEN of even the sin of suicide. So we will see him in heaven.

      Other than acting by faith in trusting and accepting what Jesus did on the cross, you don't do a thing (John 1:12-3) in order to become saved. Since you did not get your salvation by what you did, you can not lose it by what you do.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:55 AM




      There are three things the Reformers wrote in their confessions of faith that separated them from the Roman Catholic church against which they were inveighing: 1) The absolute sovereignty of the Bible 2) That a man is justified by the free grace of Christ alone 3) That the believer was his own priest. May we give God praise for his works.

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    3. the the teachings=the teachings

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  15. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I don't believe you that you were joking: you're not honest, and were you also joking when your car 'Baby' was stolen?


    'here in America'

    You're still attached to 'your' country and proud of this Vatican creation.

    The America of the protestant settlers is long gone and since the end of the 19th century it's controlled by the Jesuits and all presidents serve the Vatican, whether they're 'Democrat' or 'Republican'.

    The same goes for 'my country', btw: Jesuit-sent Napoleon Bonaparte invaded the Netherlands and installed a 'monarchy', while we used to be a Republic.
    This 'monarchy' is serving the Papacy and when Jesuit-sent Hitler invaded the Netherlands, the Vatican and Satan gave the Netherlands an extra beating for having dared to break free from the Roman Empire during the reformation.
    The oldest and largest church in my hometown used to be a Catholic church, like ALL churches in the Netherlands, and it was turned into a Dutch-reformed church after the reformation, and most parts of the Netherlands above the river Rhine became protestant, and also my hometown.
    Nowadays when I check out my town, it's almost a PAGAN, Roman Catholic town again and there are also almost 10% MUSLIMS, and Islam was created by the Vatican.
    Spiritually, the Netherlands is in a BAD state, just like the USA, and 'my government' works closely together with the Obama-CRIMINAL MAFIA-syndicate on behalf of the Vatican.
    'Our' prime minister is unmarried and NO ONE knows what his sexual preference is.
    He's a friend of Obama and he's a FOOL and recently he has visited the Pope in Rome, who is the ANTICHRIST.

    Yes, I'm changing the subject, because I've had enough of the suicide-perpetrated by Christians-discussion, and we don't agree on this.
    We also don't agree on the origins of the giants in Genesis 6, remember?

    But I believe we agree on JESUS and on the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture, and that's far more important.

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  16. I totally agree with this, but people who have committed suicide as believers in JESUS never knew and believed and received it.
    People who really believe that they are FOREVER an adopted child of God the Father, through FAITH alone, by GRACE alone, in Christ JESUS alone, have no MOTIVE to MURDER themselves or to put God to the test:

    Matthew 4:5-7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    5 Then the devil took him up into the holy city, and set him on a pinnacle of the Temple.
    6 And said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down, for it is written, that he will give his Angels charge over thee, and with their hands they shall lift thee up, lest at any time thou shouldest dash thy foot against a stone.
    7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

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    1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "if a saved person commits suicide they then lose their free gift of salvation by grace"
      I've never said this, and these are your words.
      I know several believers who have committed suicide, but the big question is whether they were really saved.

      "God has the advantage of foreknowledge before He hands out eternal life so that He won't need to renege on His promises which would if He did, make Him a liar"

      Amen!

      It's not very kind of you to call me a heretic, but as long as JESUS loves me and as long as He's my BEST FRIEND I will BLESS you in His mighty name!

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      +Hans S We have already been over this several times, you are a heretic, you have no scripture to back up your suicide is "only for unsaved people" (because you of course are able to judge their heart) and your "if a saved person commits suicide they then lose their free gift of salvation by grace" because you said "then they can't repent or confess their sin and ask for forgiveness" which is also not the gospel of grace by faith alone.
      A heretic will teach this sort of false doctrine without scripture to back it up because they are not believing that the gospel means "Christ imputes His righteousness for all manner of sin" the only requirement being FAITH.
      You have a "suicide is the unforgivable sin" in your mind but it is not in the scripture. Now do not confuse this by falsely claiming that anyone is condoning suicide, I agree that a believer should not want to contemplate such a thing, I agree it is a sin, but I do not agree that it is the unforgivable sin. I also do not agree that someone can become an unbeliever and lose their salvation because why is the all-knowing God, in direct opposition to His word and promises, giving and taking salvation from someone He knows is going to reject it?
      God has the advantage of foreknowledge before He hands out eternal life so that He wont need to renege of His promises which would if He did, make Him a liar

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    2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      And you don't get to decide whether a perpetrator of suicide, who seemed to have been a saved person, will got to heaven or hell
      , because that's up to God-the Lord JESUS.
      I quite agree with what this brother says:
      Does A Person Who Commits Suicide Go To Heaven?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylRE0kLz8p4&feature=share

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      +Hans S You don't get to decide who gets salvation. That is up to Father God.
      You seem to be confusing sanctification with salvation, we receive salvation the moment we believed on the Lord, sanctification is an on-going process.
      Sanctification is growing in grace and maturing as we choose to learn and study God's word and grow in the knowledge of Jesus Christ and as well He gives us gifts to use.

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    3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Well I have all you comments too, but did you really listen to this brother, or do you only listen to what you WANT to hear?


      This is my interpretation: in THEORY even a sin like suicide will be forgiven, provided the perpetrator is a SAVED and BORN AGAIN person, through FAITH alone, by GRACE alone in Christ JESUS alone, but how many BORN AGAIN, SAVED WORSHIPERS of JESUS actually commit suicide???

      I'm NOT trying to be a sinless perfectionist at all and that's not the point and for example I SMOKE so that I won't become a cold hearted Pharisee.
      The point is that we have a very BAD STORY to tell in case we say to a fellow believer in JESUS: 'are you depressed and do you want to end your life?
      I hope you'll change your mind and I pray for you, but in case you commit suicide you will still be saved, because I believe you are a saved and born again person who believes in the Lord JESUS Christ'.

      Where is the LOVE and COMPASSION toward a person who has made the BIG MISTAKE to listen to the MURDERER from the beginning, Satan?

      If we really LOVE someone then we do everything within our power to stop someone from committing the sin of suicide, and this includes the way we talk about this act of self murder.

      Suicide perpetrators are MURDERERS, no matter whether they are saved or unsaved people, and this is what JESUS and not Hans says about murderers in the last book of His Bible:

      Revelation 21:8
      But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

      Revelation 22:15
      For without shall be dogs and enchanters, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth or maketh lies.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:24 AM




      +Hans S He is right, what we do does not effect our going to heaven, like I said, he also says it is not the unforgivable sin like I said....and they do not go to hell.
      If someone is not abiding in Christ does not remove their eternal life either, so yes we should be abiding in Christ for our sanctification! not about our salvation which is done by the Lord.
      Forget trying to be a sinless perfectionist, that is heresy...only Christ is our sinless perfect sacrifice, in the flesh we still sin like it or not that is the truth and no we should not but even Paul had the same problem.
      You keep changing your story, I have all your comments. You can say they are my words, but do I have to re-post your own comments? I will not do that, be honest yourself.

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    4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      When JESUS saved me He told me 'Hans, there are 2 things you can do: commit suicide or start reading the Bible'
      . and He had to tell it TWICE (at the end of 1980 and on January 15, 1984. http://xembryo.blogspot.nl/2014/09/jesus-is-my-best-friend-what-about-you.html
      But that was a long time ago and I want to look forward, because I want to be where JESUS is.

      This is one of the most impressive suicide survival testimonies I know: Tamara Laroux Shot Herself, & Went to Hell, Then to Heaven and BACK!! http://youtubetrash.blogspot.nl/2016/07/tamara-laroux-shot-herself-went-to-hell.html

      And I like the story this brother is telling us in this video: What does the Bible say about Suicide? https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/TCd1La4zXXL

      Is it suicide to get yourself killed by your own creations?

      Some say yes, but I say no.

      God-the Lord JESUS gave all creatures a free will.

      When JESUS talked to me He didn't force me to believe in Him, but I was already on my way to hell and I know how it feels like to be there, so the heavenly alternative that JESUS offered me, was a much better choice: http://xembryo.blogspot.nl/2014/09/jesus-is-my-best-friend-what-about-you.html

      It's incredible how JESUS used this former believer who had become and apostate in order to get to know Him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fLlsgE5xic

      And after my surrender to JESUS these songs became my favorites:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfr3yiOiIho

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFTxVFaISLY

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IytMUsmD0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VcgGhyFCAY

      Hans S1 year ago
      SHE'S GONE! MISS SUICIDE is GONE! JESUS is LORD!
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      She's Gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E928h3lDwLo
      Karl Weber6 months ago
      I have struggled with depression throughout my entire life, and it got really bad after my brain surgery in 02.2002. As a result of my brain cancer I lost my high-paying job and my marriage. I attempted suicide and almost succeeded about 5 and a half years ago. I tried to do it by overdosing on my anti-convulsion medications and ended up in the ER. The attending nurse gave me two tall glasses of liquid charcoal to drink. In spite of this I died and had a vision of Jesus in the sky. Fortunately, he sent me back, and I was okay; just a word to all of you who are reading: whenever you are feeling down or depressed, don't turn to alcohol, drugs, or sex to alleviate your pain, but rather turn to our Lord, cry out to him and him to give you the peace that surpasses all human understanding. Remember, God loves you. He died for you on the cross and took your sins upon himself that you might live. If you take your life, you will be forfeiting what he has had planned for you since the beginning of time.
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      Karl Weber Amen brother! JESUS is with us!

      Bloodgood - The Crucifixion and The Messiah
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBrMVHQ_eDc

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:53 AM




      +Hans S You have finally changed your story to the truth but it doesn't sound like you believe it yet. Calling it "THEORY"?

      It is ridiculous to even say...
      "The point is that we have a very BAD STORY to tell in case we say to a fellow believer in JESUS: 'are you depressed and do you want to end your life?
      I hope you'll change your mind and I pray for you, but in case you commit suicide you will still be saved, because I believe you are a saved and born again person who believes in the Lord JESUS Christ'."

      Since no one is doing that...

      and absolutely...
      "If we really LOVE someone then we do everything within our power to stop someone from committing the sin of suicide, and this includes the way we talk about this act of self murder."

      I should hope people have that much common sense in them.

      But we were never disagreeing on that at all, the issue here is the truth of the gospel of grace because preaching any other gospel is anathama and heresy.

      If you talk to someone who is suicidal I hope to God you talk them out of it and if you can't do that call 911 and get them help. No one in their right mind would do the scenario you pose...so why are you even bringing it up? Do you know someone like that has done this?

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    6. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +Mercy Foryou
      I don't believe in 911: I offer suicidal people JESUS, just as JESUS rescued me.
      My own younger blood sister got saved because of what I had told her, years ago, and she was contemplating suicide, which I only know recently, because at that time she didn't tell me that, though I knew she wasn't happy back then.
      It made me all the more happy and grateful that God-the Lord JESUS had used me in such a powerful way.
      All glory to JESUS!

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      Mercy Foryou
      5:24 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Excellent point debate is the least of the worry the person at risk needs someone to show the love of Jesus not just in words but really help them
      There are heavy spiritual attacks dividing the church and I hear so much bickering out there. I'm not talking about the conversation here just what I've seen on you tube ect
      Oppression from the enemy could easily cause a beleiver to have suicidal thoughts as we are living in the last days. Not everyone has the support and tools to pull out of depression all by themselves.
      God bless you we talked about this subject of suicide last week. The lord must want us to be alert also many non belivers commit suicide daily we need to be the light of the world especially now
      Great post on salvation the good news💓💓💓
      I like what you shared in last comment.

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  17. Reacties
    1. Samson did NOT commit suicide!
      You are in fact SUGGESTING that God gave Samson the power so that he could MURDER himself.

      That was NOT the intention of Samson at all.
      He knew that He would die, like JESUS knew He would die on the cross, but he didn't die out of selfishness, but in order to avenge himself because of the loss of his eyes and because he knew that the collapsing temple would kill a lot of enemies of God and of God's chosen people.
      He died a HEROIC DEATH and suicides aren't heroic at all, because they cause a lot of GRIEF among the loved ones of the perpetrator of the act of self MURDER.

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      wtom045 months ago
      SAVED CHRISTIANS WHO COMMIT SUICIDE ARE STILL ETERNALLY SAVED. Samson, a true man of God who committed SUICIDE IS STILL ETERNALLY SAVED. Judges 16:28-30 - 28 Then Samson PRAYED TO THE LORD, “Sovereign Lord, remember me. Please, God, strengthen me just once more, and let me with one blow get REVENGE on the Philistines for my two eyes.” 29 Then Samson reached toward the two central pillars on which the temple stood. Bracing himself against them, his right hand on the one and his left hand on the other, 30 Samson said, “Let me die with the Philistines!” Then he pushed with all his might, and down came the temple on the rulers and all the people in it. Thus he killed many more when he died than while he lived. Contrary to what many believe, God's Word clearly states that Samson despite committing SUICIDE/MURDER is still eternally saved because of the VERY NATURE OF ETERNAL LIFE. HEBREWS 11:32 - 32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, SAMSON, and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets. The very nature of ETERNAL LIFE is that it CANNOT BE UNDONE no matter what happens to the saved Christian, no matter what he/she does or does not do down the line will NOT undo God's free gift of ETERNAL LIFE. Here are the Scriptural passages to prove it: Jesus Himself says in John 5:24 - 24 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and will not be judged but has CROSSED OVER from death to life. The word, "has" is in PRESENT tense and the phrase "crossed over from death to life" is in PAST tense. Both the word and the phrase indicate the VERY NATURE of eternal life which cannot be reversed no matter what happens down the line. Again, Jesus Himself says in John 10:28-29 - 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. The apostle Paul says in Romans 8:38-39 - 38 FOR I AM CONVINCED THAT NEITHER DEATH NOR LIFE, NEITHER ANGELS NOR DEMONS, NEITHER THE PRESENT NOR THE FUTURE, NOR ANY POWERS, 39 NEITHER HEIGHT NOR DEPTH NOR ANYTHING ELSE IN ALL CREATION, WILL BE ABLE TO SEPARATE US FROM THE LOVE OF GOD THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD. This includes SUICIDE for the saved Christian.

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    2. +wtom04
      Samson would have rather had his eyes back so that he could SEE what he was doing while
      killing the Philistines the way he did before, but he realized that due to his LOOKING with LUST at the beautiful FLESH of the women of the enemy he had gotten himself into trouble, and he knew that God had chastised him for this, by allowing the enemy to capture him and to take away his sight.
      So asking to get his eyes back would have been asking too much, though he could ask God to give him back his former power and just once, so that he could destroy even more Philistines than ever before.
      God agreed with this request and so Samson's death was not an act of suicide, but a sacrifice, because Samson knew that the only way to do this was by dying himself too.

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      wtom04
      3:01 AM




      +Hans S Your comment - "Samson did NOT commit suicide! You are in fact SUGGESTING that God gave Samson the power so that he could MURDER himself."

      My comment - You did not read the passage in Judges 16:28-30 CAREFULLY.

      Judges 16:28-30 - 28 And Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O LORD GOD, REMEMBER ME, I PRAY THEE, AND STRENGTHEN ME, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.

      29 And Samson took hold of the two middle pillars upon which the house stood, and on which it was borne up, of the one with his right hand, and of the other with his left.

      30 And Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
      wtom04
      3:07 AM




      +Hans S You are contradicting yourself when you said, " but he didn't die out of selfishness, but in order to avenge himself because of the loss of his eyes...."

      My comment - Is not VENGEANCE a selfish act because of the loss of Samson's 2 eyes? Samson's act of vengeance consisting of a simultaneous MURDER/SUICIDE is clearly "AN EYE FOR AN EYE", is it not?? I'd say it was a combination of an act of suicide/murder and heroism all rolled into one.

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    3. +wtom04
      Samson did not ask God for strength in order to commit suicide
      , but in order to avenge himself on the demonic Philistines, and he knew that this could only be achived by being killed too, because he'd rather had his sight back so that he could kill them like he did before, but he knew that God allowed the Philistines to rob him of his eyes, because of his disobedience.
      His attitude wasn't that of a suicidal person, and God agreed with his request, and God would and will NEVER give someone strength in order to kill one self!

      God is not the God of SUICIDE!
      Satan is!

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      wtom04
      Yesterday 4:49 AM




      +Hans S Technically speaking it was a simultaneous murder/suicide where he achieved both. Do you agree that Samson is still saved? Hebrews 11:32 lists him as a Godly man of faith.
      David Zedi
      Yesterday 9:32 PM




      Samson did not commit suicide. The Lord permitted him to fight his enemies, and by fighting he died. Killing oneself is killing , so it is a sin. Pray and you will know.
      wtom04
      1:59 AM




      +David Zedi Yes he did. It was a simultaneous murder/suicide.
      Hans S
      8:01 AM




      +wtom04
      Yes, I believe that Samson is saved.
      Read this thread and see that I in fact agree with you, though I can't imagine that a SAVED WORSHIPER of JESUS Christ will commit the sin of self MURDER: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105432959846433115957/posts/41tvFeSMKUG

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    4. +wtom04
      I'm an ex-atheist and I have nothing with religious madness.
      Samson did not commit suicide and Saul did.


      But we're talking about people who lived and died before the existence of the Body of Christ, which started with the sudden surrender to JESUS by Saul into Paul, and they will be judged separately, but I believe that Samson will be justified, and I leave it to God-the Lord JESUS what will happen to Saul, but I won't say he's saved.

      Something else: I don't call myself a 'Christian' because the outsiders called the believers in JESUS that way, and because MILLIONS of people dare to call themselves a 'Christian' who aren't born again and saved.

      I call myself a JESUS Christian, because it's all about JESUS.

      In case a born again, saved JESUS Christian commits suicide, he or she remains a saved and born again person, despite this awful deed of self murder, but he or she will stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ and JESUS will most certainly NOT reward this deed in a favorable manner, but the saved suicide perpetrator will not burn in hell, because JESUS had already given this person eternal life.

      Do you also think that Judas Iscariot is saved, because JESUS Himself was responsible for choosing him as one of His disciples?

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      wtom04
      Yesterday 6:10 PM




      +Hans S King Saul is clearly a case of a Godly man who committed suicide when he pierced himself on his own sword, but he's still saved.
      Hans S
      12:25 AM




      +wtom04
      I'm not so sure about that.
      wtom04
      1:57 AM




      +Hans S You're not so sure about King Saul being saved despite his suicide, but it is ironic that you believe that Samson is saved.

      If Saul was "unsaved" due to his suicide, that would contradict the very nature of eternal life. If present day Christians commit suicide and went to hell, would that not blatantly contradict John 5:24, John 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 1:13, and 2 Timothy 2:13?

      Romans 8:38-39 - 38 For I am persuaded, that NEITHER DEATH, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, NOR THINGS TO COME,

      39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
      wtom04
      2:03 AM




      +Hans S John 10:28-29 - 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

      29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

      If a saved Christian committed suicide and "lost" his salvation due to that act, then Jesus words in John 10:28-29 and the apostle Paul's declaration in Romans 8:38-39 are lies.

      Are you Arminian in your theology?

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    5. +wtom04
      I'm an ex-atheist and I have nothing with religious madness.
      Samson did not commit suicide and Saul did.


      But we're talking about people who lived and died before the existence of the Body of Christ, which started with the sudden surrender to JESUS by Saul into Paul, and they will be judged separately, but I believe that Samson will be justified, and I leave it to God-the Lord JESUS what will happen to Saul, but I won't say he's saved.

      Something else: I don't call myself a 'Christian' because the outsiders called the believers in JESUS that way, and because MILLIONS of people dare to call themselves a 'Christian' who aren't born again and saved.

      I call myself a JESUS Christian, because it's all about JESUS.

      In case a born again, saved JESUS Christian commits suicide, he or she remains a saved and born again person, despite this awful deed of self murder, but he or she will stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ and JESUS will most certainly NOT reward this deed in a favorable manner, but the saved suicide perpetrator will not burn in hell, because JESUS had already given this person eternal life.

      Do you also think that Judas Iscariot is saved, because JESUS Himself was responsible for choosing him as one of His disciples?
      wtom04
      Aug 11, 2016




      +Hans S Your comment - "Do you also think that Judas Iscariot is saved, because JESUS Himself was responsible for choosing him as one of His disciples?"

      My comment - Judas Iscariot was clearly not saved as it says in Luke 22:3 and John 13:27 that Satan entered into him. Saved Christians CANNOT be possessed by Satan. Yes, Jesus chose Judas as one of His disciples, but being a "disciple" of Jesus is not an automatic guarantee that the person is eternally saved.

      Many devout Roman Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists, Arminians, and Pentacostals all claim to be "disciples" of Jesus, but are not saved because they all have a different "Jesus" that is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
      Hans S
      Aug 11, 2016




      +wtom04
      Okay, but I believe that committing suicide is a satanic act and yet you say that saved 'Christians' (I rather speak of JESUS-believers) CANNOT be possessed by Satan?

      I mean: it's not an act of WORSHIP to MURDER oneself!
      wtom04
      Aug 11, 2016




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    6. +Hans S I agree that suicide is not an act of worship, but an act of self termination. It still happens when people fall into severe depression and mental illness. No, Jesus believers cannot be possessed by Satan, but can be OPPRESSED by Satanic influences.

      A Jesus believer is possessed with the Holy Spirit. The body of a Jesus believer is the temple of the Holy Spirit and is definitely not a duplex where Jesus Christ occupies the top floor and Satan and the believer occupies the basement.
      David Zedi
      Yesterday 5:05 AM




      ROMAINS 8: 13-14 says: "if you live according to the sinful nature, you will DIE, but if by the spirit, you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will LIVE, because those who are LED by the Spirit of God are SONS OF GOD."
      The Lord calls us to repent everytime we sin. That is why, in MATTHEW 6: 12-13, in the example of a prayer, it is written to ask the Lord to FORGIVE US. In this passage, it is also written to FORGIVE ALSO THE OTHERS to be forgiven. Now, 1 JOHN 3 : 6-10 says: "No one who lives in Him keeps on sinning. The one who continues to sin does not know Him. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, he cannot go on sinning because he has been born of God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the Devil are: anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God, and anyone who does not love his brother." To be led by the Lord, we need to pray all the time and to fast: MATTHEW 26: 41 and MATTHEW 6: 16.
      Many Christians are in Hell at this time, because they never repented evrytime they sinned as they did not know they had to. They did not know they had tp pray a lot and to also fast to be close to the Lord. When we are in Hell, we cannot come back, only people who are in Heaven can be raised from the dead. (LUC 16: 22 à 31) So, let's be careful, when it is too late, it is too late: you will not have a second chance!
      Hans S
      Yesterday 3:03 PM




      +wtom04
      We agree that NOTHING can separate us from God-the Lord JESUS, so also not a stupid deed like suicide, in case we ARE SAVED.

      But we're not 'possessed' by the Holy Spirit, because a possessed person lacks a free will.
      We are filled with the Holy Spirit: JESUS in spiritual capacity.
      Hans S
      Yesterday 3:08 PM




      +David Zedi
      There are NO JESUS Christians in hell.
      MILLIONS call themselves 'Christian' and many of them are LOST, unless they repent=change their mind and surrender to JESUS and receive eternal GRACE.

      Are you a JESUS Christian=saved and born again servant of God-the Lord JESUS Christ?
      wtom04
      Yesterday 7:22 PM




      +David Zedi Your eisegesis of Romans 8:13-14 is refuted with the fact that Christians who use grace as a license to sin will be inevitably chastised by God as a wake up call to straighten up and fly right - Proverbs 3:11-12, Hebrews 12:5-11. If chastisement fails, then God may bring about PHYSICAL DEATH as the final punishment - Proverbs 15:10, 1 John 5:16-17, BUT the Christian is still eternally saved and secure.

      Christians are not kept eternally secure by their own works of righteousness, but they are kept eternally secure because they have believed and trusted in an UNFAILING SAVIOR - John 5:24, John 10:28-29, Romans 8:38-39, Ephesians 1:13, 2 Timothy 2:13.

      All saved Christians works in this life will be evaluated and assessed at the Judgment Seat of Christ to determine the gain or loss of ETERNAL REWARDS, not eternal life which is free. The Judgment Seat of Christ is reserved for SAVED PEOPLE ONLY. It is separate from the Great White Throne Judgment reserved exclusively for the UNSAVED ONLY - Revelation 20:11-15.

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    7. Faithful Christians in this life that lived obediently, and faithfully and did things that have eternal value will be granted with eternal rewards, and for some, the earned privilege of reigning with Christ in the Millennium is granted - 2 Timothy 2:12, Revelation 3:21, and Revelation 2:26.

      Unfaithful Christians in this life that lived disobediently, and carnally will have their works tested with the fire of Christ's scrutiny at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Their lives, that is, their works had no eternal value and will fail the test and be denied eternal rewards, BUT are still saved because eternal life is a free gift apart from works - Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:2-5, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 2:21.

      This is what 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 is talking about:

      10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder WILL SUFFER LOSS, but YET WILL BE SAVED—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

      The "gold", "silver", and "costly stones" represents faithful Christian's works in this life that had eternal value, but the "wood", "hay", and "straw" represents unfaithful Christian's works in this life that had no eternal value, but will burn up in the fire used to test it.

      Again, the "flames" in verse 15 is not referring to the flames of hell, but the flames refer to Christ's fiery test to determine the gain or loss of eternal rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

      In conclusion, UNFAITHFUL Christians in this life who lived disobediently and carnally will experience chastisement in this life from God - Proverbs 15:10, Hebrews 12:5-11, Jeremiah 2:19, and a forfeiture of ETERNAL REWARDS at the Judgment Seat of Christ, but loss of eternal life is NEVER one of the consequences - 1 Corinthians 3:15, 2 Timothy 2:13.
      wtom04
      Yesterday 7:26 PM




      +Hans S The point is, a saved Christian has the indwelt Holy Spirit residing inside and cannot be Satan possessed. Like I said before, the Christian's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and is not a duplex where Jesus Christ resides on the top floor, but Satan resides in the basement. The 2 cannot co-exist in the same body. ONLY Satanic OPPRESSION is possible.

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    8. wtom04
      Yesterday 7:42 PM




      +David Zedi The errant belief that Christians can "lose" their salvation does not come from the Bible, but comes from the FALSE DOCTRINES of Arminianism, Roman Catholicism, and all false works based salvation gospels that deny eternal security/once saved always saved. If the Christian needs to do works to maintain their salvation and prevent it from "slipping away", then that is not true salvation of the Bible, but works salvation. Your works do not justify you before God and your works do not "maintain" your salvation from "slipping away".

      Galatians 2:16 - 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

      Galatians 2:21 - 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

      Galatians 5:4 - 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

      Romans 3:20 - 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

      Romans 3:28 - 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

      Romans 4:2-6 - 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

      3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

      4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

      5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

      6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
      Hans S
      12:02 AM




      +wtom04
      Something else: the word 'Christian' should ONLY refer to a born again and saved believer in JESUS, and it shouldn't be necessary to say 'saved Christian' in order to point out that we're talking about a born again and saved believer in JESUS, but unfortunately the term 'Christian' is being used by millions of people who are not saved and born again.

      I personally use the term 'JESUS Christian' in order to describe myself, because it's all about JESUS and about the meaning of His name, which is 'I AM Salvation'.

      A born again and saved believer in the Lord JESUS Christ can come to a point that suicide seems to be the only way out, which is of course a lie from Satan, and in case a born again and saved believer in JESUS really decides to end his or her life, then this won't change the status of this person, being a SAVED believer in JESUS: this is what we agree.

      But I also believe that we must agree that killing oneself is giving in to Satan's lies, and then we must conclude that it's possible that a born again believer in JESUS does NOT believe that JESUS can help him or her in their desperate situation.

      I know several cases of people who where known to be believers in JESUS who have committed suicide, but I'm NOT sure whether they were really SAVED.

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    9. it's a fact that they listened to Satan when they murdered themselves, because JESUS will NEVER inspire someone to KILL oneself.

      You said 'a saved Christian has the indwelt Holy Spirit residing inside and cannot be Satan possessed' and 'ONLY Satanic OPPRESSION is possible'

      I say that Satan wins the battle against JESUS whenever a believer in Him listen to him and commits suicide.

      I say that JESUS wins the battle against Satan whenever a believer in JESUS wants to end his or her life, but eventually decides NOT to give in to this thought of self murder and decides to ask for JESUS' HELP.

      Now who decides whether a person is saved or not?
      I believe it's God-the Lord JESUS who has the final judgement on this and not man.

      Let's make it personal: in case I decide to end my life then I'm saying in fact to JESUS 'you are UNABLE or UNWILLING to HELP me and to EASE my emotional PAIN, so I see no other option than to commit suicide'.

      Of course this is a LIE!

      JESUS is willing and able to help anyone in a situation of terrible despair, and He Himself has been in such a situation and He did NOT even THINK of the option of suicide.

      Yes, He said: 'My GOD, my GOD, why have you forsaken me?' when He was hanging on the cross, but crying out these words is not the same as wanting to commit suicide!

      Then how is it possible that a believer in JESUS commits suicide?

      Is a person a BELIEVER in JESUS who commits suicide?

      We are saved through FAITH in Christ JESUS and by God's GRACE, but where is this FAITH in JESUS in case a person commits suicide?

      Committing suicide is the opposite of FAITH in the Lord JESUS Christ!

      Committing suicide is an act of DISBELIEF.

      Committing suicide is NOT allowing JESUS to HELP, but taking matters into our own hands.

      My question is: are people really saved who commit suicide?

      I believe ONLY GOD is able to answer this question.

      In principle a SAVED person can not become UNSAVED, even when such a person would murder him or herself.

      But again the question is whether a perpetrator of the act of suicide is a SAVED person or a person who THOUGHT he or she was SAVED, and also because others said so.

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  18. Myths of Suicide

    Many have fallen several LIES about suicide.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VtdkPbswsk

    LIE#1) Suicide is the unforgiveable sin. It is NOT. Jesus said rejecting Jesus as Saviour is the ONLY unforgiveable sin out there.

    LIE#2) Saved people should never get depressed and hopeless to the point to take their lives.
    Moses, Job, Elijah, to name a few BELIEVERS who came very close to suicide because they were DEPRESSED from the situations they were in.

    There are 2 more MYTHS.

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    1. +Steven Whitehouse
      The Geneva Bible 1599 is even better on this:


      Romans 10:9-10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 For if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
      10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth man confesseth to salvation. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10%3A9-10+&version=GNV

      So this says that God-the Lord JESUS wants us not to be ashamed of Him and confess Him (the Lord JESUS) with our mouths.

      I concur with the rest of your great comment and I repeat it this way:
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      Keeping the commandments is NOT a requirement for salvation! Going to church/assembly or belonging to a certain church/assembly is NOT a requirement for Salvation! Reading your bible is NOT a requirement for salvation! Getting baptized is NOT a requirement for salvation! doing good deeds is NOT a requirement for salvation! ALL THESE WORKS I POINTED OUT TO YOU ARE RELATED TO LORDSHIP SALVATION!

      The only thing you need to do is this.

      Romans 10:9-10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 For if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
      10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth man confesseth to salvation.

      Acts 16:30-31 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
      31 And they said, Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thine household.


      Confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus and Believe with the heart that God had raised Jesus from dead are the only requirements for salvation!
      The work that you are trying to do has already been finished by Jesus's death burial & resurrection from the dead!
      All we need to do is spread the good news of the kingdom of Heaven and that you must be "Born Again!"
      And I invite you all to read our daily bread after I post this message up. And I'll then share a video by Pastor Ralph "Yankee" Arnold on how you can know for sure that you are going to Heaven when you die!
      You don't have to wait until you die. Because If you wait until you die, It'll be too late for you to Change your mind about Jesus Christ!
      And that is the true meaning of repentance: change your mind!
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      +Maria Del Carmen S +Ruckus Allen +Kevin Zacher +run_gavagai_run +Carol Li +J Wing +DEE LEE SR. +Sherry Lynn +Jeff Jerschefske +Iam ChattyCathy +Angelman Ruby +Kevin Patrick +Keith Hall +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist 
      J Wing originally shared:

      Myths of Suicide

      Many have fallen several LIES about suicide.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VtdkPbswsk

      LIE#1) Suicide is the unforgiveable sin. It is NOT. Jesus said rejecting Jesus as Saviour is the ONLY unforgiveable sin out there.

      LIE#2) Saved people should never get depressed and hopeless to the point to take their lives.
      Moses, Job, Elijah, to name a few BELIEVERS who came very close to suicide because they were DEPRESSED from the situations they were in.

      There are 2 more MYTHS.

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    2. +Steven Whitehouse
      Hi Steven, I'm Dutch and I'm 56 and I'm an ex-atheist, just like my late dad who died when I was 25 and he was 53.

      My non-practicing Catholic mother still lives and she's 88.
      In the past I didn't believe in the existence of deities and the supernatural and it was all nonsense to me, and I didn't want to have anything to do with organized religion like Christianity and Islam.
      When JESUS saved me (yes, it really happened) I started to read the Dutch equivalent of the American Standard version and for years I was satisfied with this translation, until I discovered that this version wasn't the best and the most accurate, so then I discovered the Dutch equivalent of the KJV1611, the Statenvertaling (States translation: the Netherlands was a republic back then) 1637 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statenvertaling

      But even the 'Statenvertaling 1637' (and modern versions) isn't without flaws and the same goes for the KJV1611.

      The KJV1611 is for more than 90% based on the older and BETTER Geneva Bible 1560-1599, and it was the MAIN translation in use in the beginning of the history of the USA.

      My English brother in law used to be a KJV-onlyist just like you...but not anymore.
      Know more about the Geneva Bible 1560-1599 and about the history of your own country, because NOBODY read the KJV1611 in the beginning of the history of the US: The Bible, Satan HATES the MOST: Geneva Bible - Take that, SATAN http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/the-bible-satan-hates-most-geneva-bible.html

      Now, I don't assert that the Geneva Bible is perfect, but it's the best English translation I know and there's something sinister about the KJV1611 due to King James, who was a servant of the VATICAN:
      King James Bible 1611 is Masonic!! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/king-james-bible-1611-is-masonic.html

      The King James Bible Mystery Babylon Connection
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrlEezOFzQ0

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      Steven Whitehouse
      Yesterday 1:12 PM




      +Hans S - I trust in the King James Version Bible. I've been reading it for 10+ yrs now. But my first was the American Standard Bible which my mother gave me before she passed away due to Lukemia, Cancer in 1995 (I was 30 yrs young) when she died. And I was 31 yrs young when my father died of a heart attack. Both at the age of 55. And to make matters worst I myself between 1995-1996 I was involved in a 3-car traffic accident during the blizzard of 1996 I was 5 minutes from home before getting involved in that wreck lol. What happened there was my tires locked up on my (Plymouth Acclaim) was my first car. The reason why I was driving in a blizzard is because I was at that time in the 1990s involved with Special Olympics. We had our annual event in December of 1996 My event was bowling and team bowling at the time. And I have 6 medals to prove that I was in Special Olympics. I had 1 gold meda, 3 bronze medal and 2 silver and I have a blue 1st place flag to go with my medals. Because of my age (51) I don't think I can take part in the Special Olympics anymore. When I did do the Special Olympics I wanted to take part in the Equestian event, but never had a chance to lol. As for as the bible you recommended I will have to say no thanks. Because I under- stand the KJV Bible more. And it's accurate as well. Some people claim there are mistake in that version of the bible. I believe that the Bible doesn't make makes or even errors! Though they may try and point out the mistakes and errors I just refute them. Because there looking for an arguement and fight with the true believers. I will not fight nor argue with the non-believers or Christians about the truth of the bible. If it says you shall have Eternal Life, it means just that! Why twist the scriptures lol I my question!

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  19. +Katherine Smith
    JESUS didn't commit suicide, and in case you are a follower of JESUS YOU don't commit suicide!

    You'd better believe in the right gospel of grace and in the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Gospel%20of%20GRACE

    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Opname%20en%20profetie-Rapture%20and%20prophecy

    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Suicide


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    Katherine Smith
    9:06 AM




    I have decided that if they ever want to catch me and make me deny Christ...I will take a bottle/ overdose ofsleeping pills, so I dont have to go thru the torture and they dont get to enjoy punishing me...Im sure Jesus will understand when I get to HEAVEN !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xta31joiIhU&google_comment_id=z13iw51qtkupcrq5304cfjuyxq3rsffjqsg0k

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