donderdag 18 augustus 2016

Suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan!

I get asked this question quite often. This is not a question that is easy to answer without going deep into theology. The reason for that is simple. If the person who commits suicide does not know Jesus Christ as their Savior before they commit suicide, then they are lost. (Hebrews 9:27 1599 Geneva Bible) And as it is appointed unto men that they shall once die, and after that cometh the judgment (Hebrews 9:27 NIV) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment - There are no second chances. The state you are in when you die is the state you will remain in for eternity.

If the person who commits suicide has previously accepted Christ as their Savior then you come to a deep theological question. Can a person who is at one time saved ever come back under judgment?

Let me explain right up front that I don't believe a person can lose their salvation. In other words I don't believe anyone who has truly placed their faith in Jesus Christ will one day wake up and realize that they are no longer saved. That may sound like the standard Calvinistic belief but it is not. I am not saying that I don't believe a person who accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior cannot turn from life and again choose death, I am saying it won't happen and then be a surprise to the person.


People who believe that a person once saved cannot ever come back under judgment usually believe this because they say that when you are saved your sins are forgiven past, present and future. Okay, I might even be convinced of that, although I wonder what the purpose of 1 John 1:9 is? (1 John 1:9 1599 Geneva Bible) If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1 John 1:9 NIV) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
This passage was written to Christians.

My premise for believing that a person once saved can still fall into judgment at the hands of God, is that God gave us free will. I don't believe that God takes away our free will when we are saved. I believe we have to choose each and every day whom we will serve; ourselves or God.

Let's look at another passage: (John 10:27-30 1599 Geneva Bible) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, 28 And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any pluck them out of mine hand. 29 My Father which gave them me, is greater than all, and none is able to take them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and my Father are one.
(John 10:27-30 NIV) My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. {28} I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. {29} My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all ; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. {30} I and the Father are one."
Notice that Jesus says no one can snatch us from His hand. But is that the same as saying I will never let them go? I don't think so. I don't think Jesus is saying that we cannot choose to leave our position, I believe He is saying that Satan nor anyone else can cause you to lose your salvation. We are secure as long as we want to be secure.

I will get into more verses in a few moments, but I want to just look at this logically for a moment. If a person truly comes to faith in Jesus Christ and then finds that they don't want to continue to serve Him. They don't want what God has offered them any longer. Maybe they even come to a crisis in their life and decide that they don't believe anymore that there is a God. In essence they reject God one way or another. When they die, will God force them into heaven because they believed at one instant in time but not after that? I don't believe so. Why would God force anyone to live with Him for eternity if they have decided that they don't want to?

I am not a theologian, I am just a former street cop and that is how I view the scriptures. I have prayed for wisdom and discernment and asked God to open my eyes to what His word really says. I must admit He has helped me, and to my surprise what He has shown me is that His word says exactly what it means and means exactly what it says.

How were the Old Testament saints saved? By sacrifices? No by faith in God to provide a Redeemer to take away their sins. The sacrifices were just a visual manifestation of that faith. How are we saved today? By faith that God did send that Redeemer to take away our sins. His name is Jesus Christ. So you see we are saved exactly the same way the Old Testament believers were. Since we know that to be true and we know that God never changes: (Hebrews 13:8 NIV) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Then we should be able to see from both the Old Testament and the New Testament how God treats those who willfully turn from Him.

First let's look at the Old Testament. (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die. 
(Ezekiel 18:23-28 NIV) Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live? {24} "But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. {25} "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? {26} If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. {27} But if a wicked man turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. {28} Because he considers all the offenses he has committed and turns away from them, he will surely live; he will not die.
God does not pull any punches at all, He clearly says here that if a righteous man turns away from Him, He will not remember the righteousness any longer. He also states that He does not take pleasure in death, but wants everyone to come to Him.

Many people try to claim that because the Old Testament was written under the old covenant and because we are under the new covenant you can't take passages like the one in Ezekiel and use them. However, it is very interesting to hold that up to the light of Scripture. I am sure most everyone has heard of the Bereans. Look closely at this passage about them: (Acts 17:11 1599 Geneva Bible) These were also more noble men than they which were at Thessalonica, which received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
(Acts 17:11 NIV) Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.  

Now my question is this; what Scriptures were they judging what Paul said by? It had to be the Old Testament, since the New Testament was not written yet. So for instance if Paul preached that once a person was saved they could never turn away and come back under judgment wouldn't the Bereans have read Ezekiel and denied what Paul said?

Now let's go to the New Testament and see if God has changed: (Hebrews 10:26-27 1599 Geneva Bible) For if we sin willingly after that we have received and acknowledged that truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a fearful looking for of judgment, and violent fire, which shall devour the adversaries.
(Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV) If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, {27} but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
If a person deliberately keeps on sinning, would it not stand to reason that they have made a choice to turn away from God? This is not the same thing as being caught up in a sin and stumbling, it is making a choice.

1 John 1:10 makes it clear that we all stumble and sin and that God is faithful to forgive us, but verse 9 clearly shows that we must confess those sins. If we choose to continue sinning, then we are not truly confessing our sins, which implies remorse and turning from those sins.

I don't believe that God has the book of life open on His lap at all times with a bottle of white out waiting for us to stumble. He knows our flesh is weak, yet He loves us. Remember He takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. On the other hand I don't believe you can make a fool of God either. I don't believe you can accept Christ as your Savior and then go back to living like the world day in and day out, rejecting everything which is holy and pleasing to God and God has no choice but to allow you to enter heaven upon your death.

When a person contemplates suicide they are standing at a cross roads. Down one road is living on in the pain and depression they feel, but it also includes realizing that God is sovereign and our days are ordained by Him alone. It also leads to help through God's promises. He does not want us to be depressed and in pain, but He does want us to come to Him and ask for His help and then believe that He will help us. Down the other road is death on their timing not God's. It is saying that the person doesn't care what God wants, they want what they want, when they want it. It is also saying that they don't think God cares enough to help them through this time of hurt and pain, or maybe it is that they don't think God is powerful enough to save them.

The point is that the cross road is a choice that they have to make. Do they reject God and His plan for their life in favor of their own, or do they get on their knees and accept God's plan for them and His help which He has promised over and over again to give them?

Don't let Satan fool you into thinking that just because you have accepted Christ as your Savior you can take your own life and God will welcome you with open arms into His presence. If God chooses to do just that, then it is His decision and He is just, but would He be any less just to deny you entrance? I don't think so and that question alone should be enough to stop you cold. The other thing that should stop you cold is your love for Christ. If you truly have the relationship you think you have then you should be putting His feelings and His will above your own.

As I have been careful to say in this article I believe if you choose to reject God then He will allow you to do so. I have stated more then once it is a choice, so now let me address another issue. If a person is not able to make a choice then I don't believe any of this applies to them. What I am saying is that if a person is chemically imbalanced or mentally impaired in some way so that they can't make a legitimate choice, then I don't believe God would hold any actions they commit including suicide against them. But if you are here reading this trying to find a loop hole so that you can kill yourself and still be sure you will go to heaven, then you are showing the ability to make that choice and I believe God will hold you accountable accordingly.

If you are reading this and you don't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, then none of this applies to you either. If you die whether by your own hand or by some other cause it does not matter, you will be lost for eternity. At judgment you will be judged first for not accepting the free gift of salvation that God offered you. Then you will be judged on what deeds you did while you were alive, good or bad, everything you have done will be exposed and you will be punished according to those actions. Nothing you have done will be good enough to get you into heaven. Only the saving blood of Jesus Christ can hide your sin so that you will be acceptable to God.


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+Ruckus Allen "if your child commits suicide they are still your child."

The first murderer was Cain and he remained Adam and Eve's child...but was he a beloved of God-the Lord JESUS?

In eternity NO ONE will be someone else's child or relative or spouse, because we all will be like the ANGELS.

Now suppose a former suicidal person got saved and during a certain period of time he or she is following God-the Lord JESUS, but then during a crisis he or she decides there's no other way out than committing suicide, instead of CRYING OUT for HELP to JESUS.

Will this person still be saved, or was JESUS lying when He said the following, and JESUS is God, so He's also the God of the old testament:

Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
23 Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God*? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways?
24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal?
26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done.
27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.   ??

*the Lord God should have been 'the Lord 'I AM', which is the short version of 'I AM that I AM', which the Jewish writers of the old testament had hidden behind the 4 letters YHWH.

Now, WHO is 'I AM'?

'I AM' is JESUS, because JESUS means 'I AM Salvation'.

JESUS is God in the capacity of SAVIOR.

Now, we all agree that this is a wonderful passage:

Romans 8:38-39 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor Angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

But there are people who interpret this text the following:

Romans 8:38-39 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
38 For I am persuaded that neither death, nor SUICIDE, which is SELF MURDER, nor life, nor Angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In case suicide=self MURDER is a pardonable sin, then JESUS contradicts Himself:

Revelation 21:8 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Revelation 22:15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
For without shall be dogs and enchanters, and whoremongers, and MURDERERS, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth or maketh lies.

JESUS doesn't take away our FREE WILL and our RESPONSIBILITY after we have been SAVED!

If one would listen to 'once saved, always saved' adherents, then SAVED people could 'safely commit suicide' and according to 'once saved, always saved' adherents they would still go to heaven.

If this is the case then I would in fact RECOMMEND suicide to anyone who has been saved, because existing in a world together with Satan and his demons and our own SINFUL FLESH isn't Paradise, and suicide would be the fastest way to get out of this deplorable situation, and if it's the choice between BURNING in hell and being HAPPY in heaven, who cares about rewards when we must all appear before the Judgement Seat of Christ JESUS?

Suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan!




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  1. +DEE LEE SR.
    I wonder what people who believe that suicide is no problem, as long as you're saved, would say to Job when he wanted to be unborn again, after he had lost everything to live for?


    WE'RE LOST WITHOUT JESUS CHRIST!
    SATAN HATES YOU!
    JESUS LOVES YOU! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2014/11/not-for-christians.html


    I'm crying I'm dying

    I can see what's wrong with me
    It's in my head
    I can see what's gonna be
    As I lie in my bed
    Man is not my brotherhood
    I am of the dead
    I died as I lived as I loved and was born
    On some distant hill
    The reasons to hide were the reasons I cried
    Fools pass laughing still

    There can be bad blood in all and I can see
    It's in my brain
    You don't know the pain I feel
    As I must live again
    Rocks and stones can't bruise my soul but
    Tears will leave a stain
    They smile to themselves as they lay down my head
    On some distant hill
    The blind and the child sweep a tear from their eye
    Fools smile as they kill

    I got my own way to go and now I want
    To take your minds
    I believe if you could see
    The blood between the lines
    I believe that you could be
    A better kind
    Please lead the way so the unborn can play
    On some greener hill
    Laugh as the flames eat their burning remains
    Fools die laughing still

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPwu_cQMRjg

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  2. +Steven Whitehouse
    JESUS has SAVED me, but I still have the option to turn my back on Him if I want to, and then He won't FORCE me to come back to Him, though He will try to persuade me not to leave Him.


    If I put a gun to my head and pull the trigger, as a believer in JESUS Christ, I have become an ADVERSARY, because I decided NOT to CRY OUT for HELP to JESUS but to take matters in my own hands.

    I would not forgive MYSELF if I would do such a thing!

    And I wouldn't have the opportunity to ask God-the Lord JESUS for forgiveness, because I would be DEAD.

    If 'once saved, always saved' means we don't have to ask forgiveness anymore, because once we were SAVED forever, then people can choose to live like JERKS, which is my experience with adherents of 'OSAS'.

    When they sin against someone else they won't ask forgiveness, and I don't see the difference between them and unsaved people.

    Perhaps they'll say 'I'm sorry', but not 'please, forgive me' because I love you and I want our relationship to be restored'.

    I have been called WORSE THAN SATAN by one of those people!

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  3. +J Wing
    Job was NOT contemplating suicide!
    But he wished he had never been born.


    When God = JESUS!! spoke to him, He was in fact HUMILIATED to the BONE!

    Job 40:1-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    40 2 How weak man’s power is, being compared to the work of God: 10 Whose power appeareth in the creation, and governing of the great beasts.
    1 Again the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
    2 Gird up now thy loins like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
    3 Wilt thou disannul my judgment? or wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be justified?
    4 Or hast thou an arm like God? or dost thou thunder with a voice like him?
    5 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency, and array thyself with beauty and glory.
    6 Cast abroad the indignation of thy wrath, and behold everyone that is proud, and abase him.
    7 Look on everyone that is arrogant, and bring him low: and destroy the wicked in their place.
    8 Hide them in the dust together, and bind their faces in a secret place.
    9 Then will I confess unto thee also, that thy right hand can save thee.

    And eventually Job SURRENDERED to God (=JESUS):

    Job 42:1-6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    1 Then Job answered the *Lord, and said,
    2 I know that thou canst do all things, and that there is no thought hid from thee.
    3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I spoken that I understood not, even things too wonderful for me, and which I knew not.
    4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
    5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear, but now mine eye seeth thee.
    6 Therefore I abhor myself, and REPENT in dust and ashes.


    *YHWH= I AM that I AM = JESUS ( I AM Salvation)

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  4. +J Wing
    JESUS is the God of the old and the new testament and this is what He says about falling away from faith:


    (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

    To put it this way: But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commits SUICIDE, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

    I don't believe that God=JESUS has changed His mind on this.

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  5. +Steven Whitehouse
    I am not 'people like Hans S' and I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS concerning former saved people who have committed the act of self murder.

    I'm Dutch and in my language the word is 'zelfmoord' (say self moart) meaning literally self murder.
    We also use the word suicide (suïcide) but we pronounce it differently and this word functions the same as the word 'prostitute' for whore: to make it sound 'nicer'.

    I believe the wisest thing to say concerning suicide perpetrated by believers in JESUS is: LEAVE the JUDGEMENT to God-the Lord JESUS.

    I believe it's VERY unwise to say that such people are SAVED, because it could encourage unstable FELLOW BELIEVERS in JESUS who are DEPRESSED to actually KILL themselves!

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  6. +J Wing "Elijah got depressed and almost suicided".
    Where you there and could you look into his mind?
    He wanted to die, but COMMITTING suicide (I don't know an English verb 'to suicide') is really something else!

    I know who was there: God the Lord JESUS and He HELPED Elijah to get over his depression.

    JESUS is ALWAYS against SUICIDE!

    I leave the judgement concerning former saved believers in JESUS who have killed themselves to God-the Lord JESUS.

    What you're doing is judging in place of Him and saying that no matter whether a believer in JESUS has committed suicide: he or she IS saved.

    Then tell JESUS that He was WRONG when He said the following (and JESUS is GOD!):

    (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

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    J Wing
    7:47 PM




    +DEE LEE SR. Are you assuming AMENDING YOUR WAYS is you physically obstain from that sin? Isn't that by definition a WORK or EFFORT. So you are suggesting we work to obtain salvation. Let's see what the Bible says.
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

    So what is Jesus saying to them to amend their ways? What had they not yet done? BELIEVE ON JESUS. This is Jesus command that would AMEND YOUR WAYS.
    1 John 3:23
    And THIS is his command: to BELIEVE in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

    Repentance doesn't save you, because its only a change of mind. Notice the call to repent is never alone but ALWAYS followed up with BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved.

    +Hans S You might think its unwise to say SAVED people can get depressed and suicide, but its true. Elijah got depressed and almost suicided. Suicide does not get you unsaved any more than you could reenter you mothers womb and get born a 2nd time. Salvation is irrevocable.

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    1. +J Wing
      Repentance isn't a WORK!
      Repentance comes from God-the Lord JESUS!

      When JESUS saved me He first gave me the spiritual input so that I could REPENT.
      It wasn't my idea to do so!
      JESUS wanted to save me, no matter WHAT!
      Satan wanted me to destroy myself!

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  7. +J Wing
    Of course I mean the repentance, generated by God-the Lord JESUS.


    "You are stuck in the old testament system of works to be good enough to make it to Heaven"

    I know that's not true, but if it makes you happy then say what you want.

    In fact all people may say and believe whatever they want: they haven't created me and they haven't saved me and they don't love me the way ONLY JESUS does.

    ONLY God-the Lord JESUS will decide what will happen to people who were known to be believers in Him who have committed suicide.

    Asserting that they're saved is sitting on God's throne.
    Asserting that they're lost is also sitting on God's throne.

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    +Hans S Read 1King 19 plz.
    4 But he went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a Juniper tree, and DESIRED THAT HE MIGHT DIE, and said, It is now enough: O Lord, take my soul, for I am no better than my fathers.

    Yes God helped him get over his suicidal depression but what if God hadn't?

    You are stuck in the old testament system of works to be good enough to make it to Heaven. The NT and OT both say that system can't save anyone cuz NO ONE IS GOOD. However our age of grace thru Jesus says we are all saved NOT BECAUSE we are Good but because Jesus who was perfect paid the price already for ALL our SINS, including suicide(aka self MURDER).

    Jesus was always against suicide? Pray what verse. If that were the case Jesus should have stopped Judas suicide but didn't.

    Btw I don't say it Jesus said that a BELIEVER is saved no matter what wrong stuff they do after. The only unforgivable sin is REJECTING JESUS as savior. There is NO OTHER SIN that can't be forgiven. I thought that was the entire point of this post and video.
    J Wing
    8:27 PM




    +Hans S Which repent are you talking about? The repentance in the Bible means "CHANGE OF MIND". This Biblical repent of sins (change your mind about sin) is NOT A WORK.

    The repent that +DEE LEE SR. and Lordship Salvation people use is repent of sins means "STOP yourself from sinning or ever sinning again." THIS one IS WORK because you have to work to keep yourself from sinning.

    Notice the wrong theology but same term.

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  8. +J Wing
    Committing suicide is VERY WRONG!


    Promoting suicide is even WORSE.

    Committing suicide is always in the interest of the devil and talking a lot about it TOO.

    You can have the last word, because I want to fill my mind now with more HAPPIER subjects like the RAPTURE, prior to the Time of Jacob's Trouble.

    JESUS loves us and Satan hates us!

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    J Wing
    8:50 PM




    +Hans S So you see Jeremiah wanted to commit suicide and felt depressed and this is a SAVED MAN OF GOD too. So wanting to self murder or even doing it is a sin. BUT ITS NOT THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.

    The unforgivable sin is REJECTING JESUS as your savior when the Holy Spirits convicts you that you need a savior for your sins.

    Suicide is NOT THAT SIN.

    Repentance from sins "prevent yourself from sinning." Is not possible. David, Peter, & Paul proved that. They were declared SAVED but sinned greatly afterward.

    Even if you want to say repentance means admitting and confessing your sin, which it doesn't, Solomon and Lot both saved men didn't confess their sins. Yet they were saved according to God.

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  9. +J Wing
    I don't expect that believers in JESUS will ever agree on everything during their existence between heaven and hell.

    I want to leave it here.
    JESUS loves us, Jon!

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    J Wing
    7:55 PM




    +Hans S There is a problem with your argument that I don't think you even notice. v25 "hear now O HOUSE OF ISRAEL." What was Israel living under the law of grace or the law of works?
    What was the law of works in the OT for? Showing ALL mankind you are NOT GOOD ENOUGH to earn by works salvation.

    This is why God said if you do right all the way til the end of your life and turn from it at the last moment, all your righteousness is forgotten. How is this any different from the NT?
    James 2:10 (KJV)
    For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet OFFENDS IN ONE POINT, he IS GUILTY OF ALL.

    So under the law if you suicide you are declared guilty of breaking the whole Law for it says do not murder.

    However our law of grace says what? ALL SINS are forgiven assuming of course you don't reject the only sacrifice for ALL SINS God made, which is Jesus.

    Don't you see our righteousness is no longer about if we can keep the law and not murder but rather that Jesus kept the WHOLE LAW for us.

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  10. +Steven Whitehouse
    Saying that committing suicide is no problem as long as you're saved, is suicide promotion.

    I'm not pointing to anyone, and now I'm done with this subject, because it doesn't make me happy.

    I have better things to do like awaiting the blessed hope, which is the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture and telling others about it, and that we'll be where JESUS is!

    JESUS loves us!

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    Steven Whitehouse
    9:04 PM




    Who says we're promoting suicide? +Hans S, Who says that we are giving the people a license to sin? Doesn't God have the right to give Salvation to anyone pleases? without man quesitoning God? If we indeed could save ourselves, Then God made a huge mistake by sending his only begotten Son our Lord Jesus Christ to die on that cross! I mean, what need would there been to allow Jesus to die in our place? If we indeed could save ourself? Through one man(Adam) sin entered into the world, so one man(Jesus Christ) sin as left the world. As in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive! If you don't accept the fact that Jesus died in our place, you shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of Heaven! When a person accepts Jesus Christ as his Personal Lord & Savior, His sins are all covered by the blood of Jesus! And every sin that we have committed or will commit in the future has been forgiven and paid! Therefore, I will thank Jesus for dieing in our place so that we don't have to die and go to hell to pay for our sins! Why pay for something twice? Why do things the hard way?

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    1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      I'm so glad Google+ isn't heaven, or no 'social media' for that matter!

      I'm also so very glad that salvation is not depending on what fellow sinners say, but depending on what JESUS says.
      Where would we be without JESUS?
      Hans S
      10:22 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse "YOU ARE CALLING GOD A LIAR, IF YOU SAY THAT GOD CAN'T SAVE EVERYONE!"

      Were you addressing me, Steven?

      God can't save Satan and the other fallen angels: that's for sure!

      That's why God-the Lord JESUS made humans: half (fallen) angelic and half animal-like.

      God-the Lord JESUS can only save ANIMALS!

      That's why He calls Himself the LION of Judah who became an innocent and defenseless LAMB of God, and that's why He said 'Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing'.

      One doesn't say this about rational creatures but about IRRATIONAL beings.


      ONLY JESUS is NORMAL! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/09/only-jesus-christ-is-normal.html

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  11. +J Wing
    I have never spoken to someone who once was saved and who had 'successfully' committed suicide about his or her eternal fate.
    I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS, Jon, if you don't mind.

    Of course we agree on 'accepting Jesus as savior at any time in your LIFE saves you from ALL SINS'.
    But committing suicide is not just a sin: it's a total lack of BELIEF in the salvational POWER of JESUS.
    And as I told you before: I'm sure Samson didn't commit suicide.
    JESUS is God gave him the power to avenge himself on the Philistines because of his eyes, because he would've rather had his sight back so that he could annihilate those demonic Philistines like he had done before, but he knew that God allowed the Philistines to take away his eyes, because of his sin of disobedience, because he had revealed his secret to Delilah.
    So his motive wasn't suicide, but WRATH....and God=JESUS agreed with him!

    I'm sure the Roman Catholic Muslims ENVY Samson and that's why Satan inspires them to copy Samson's deed....but to no avail, because Samson's deed was confirmed by none other than God=JESUS and the satanic suicide attackers of the Roman Catholic Islam will go straight to the realm of the dead, awaiting judgement and the lake of fire.

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  12. +J Wing Doing something of really bad judgment like lighting a candle by a tank of methane is by no means the same as deliberately murdering oneself!
    I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS, concerning suicide committed by former saved people, as I told you before.

    What are humans?

    Ecclesiastes 3:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    18 I considered in mine heart the state of the children of men, that God had purged them: yet to see too, they are in themselves as beasts

    Psalm 36:6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    6 Thy righteousness is like the mighty mountains: thy judgments are like a great deep: thou *Lord, dost save man and beast.

    *YHWH = I AM that I AM = JESUS.

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    J Wing
    10:41 PM




    +Hans S Steven is saying God can save everyone. But God chose to save those who will BELIEVE on Jesus and when He does this it is COMPLETELY from ALL SINS past, present, & future. Suicide doesn't change that. If you were already saved and commit suicide even doing something of really bad judgment (like lighting a candle by a tank of methane), you are still a FORGIVEN person.

    Btw Jesus said he came to save HUMANS not angels.

    Mark 16:16 (GNV)
    16 He that shall BELIEVE and be baptized, shall be SAVED: but he that WILL NOT BELIEVE, shall be damned.

    Going to Hell (damned) is because a person DID NOT BELIEVE. It doesn't say he's damned because he committed suicide or doubted Jesus would make his situation better does it?

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  13. +J Wing There is no reason to be condescending.

    "Suicide is a simple belief that YOUR CURRENT SITUATION WILL NOT GET BETTER. Got that?"

    How much do you know about suicide?

    For example to hang oneself one has to be ANGRY enough to do so.

    One must also go against the normal survival instinct, programmed within all creatures by God-the Lord JESUS.

    So, suicide is by definition a deed AGAINST God!

    Suicide is by definition SATANIC!

    What is your motive to reward a satanic act with Paradise?

    Like I said before: if suicide, committed by a formerly saved person is without eternal negative consequences, then I would recommend this to everybody!

    Why waiting on the rapture if one could be in heaven today?
    it's better to be in heaven without any rewards than to wait till JESUS comes to takes us away to where He is.....

    But there is no easy way out!

    Suicide is always in the interest of Satan!

    What you are trying to tell me is that suicide is in the interest of JESUS.

    Next you might tell me that even Satan will be forgiven.

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    J Wing
    11:33 PM




    +Hans S _"But committing suicide is not just a sin: it's a total lack of BELIEF in the salvational POWER of JESUS."_
    NO NO NO NO. A million times NO. This is where you are wrong and I can not side with you on it. Sorry. Its not that I don't like you but that you are Biblicall wrong. I say this in complete love and hope you can get this right so that you'd be free from the worry of others committing this sin.

    First off what verse says suicide is lack of belief in salvation power. Nowhere in the Bible does it say this. PERIOD.

    suicide has nothing to do with belief in salvation. NO NONE!!

    Suicide is a simple belief that YOUR CURRENT SITUATION WILL NOT GET BETTER. Got that?

    Salvation is something totally unrelated!! Salvation is saving someone from the WRATH OF GOD on any and all sins committed. The only way to give you salvation is to have someone pay the penalty the LAW OF MOSES demands for the breaking of God's Law. That is the LIFE of the one who committed it.

    Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. A person's hopelessness in his current situation has NOTHING TO DO with the wrath of God for sin. Stop tying together things that are completely unrelated.

    Salvation is eternal life after you die. suicide is about your temporal life in the present world. Completely different and completely UNRELATED.

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  14. +Steven Whitehouse
    The subject is suicide, perpetrated by 'believers in JESUS', and I'm glad you believe you are saved
    , and I'm also glad that I'm saved, but the subject is only suicide, perpetrated by 'believers in JESUS'.
    We can go on forever, but I've already said that I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS concerning suicide, perpetrated by 'believers in JESUS'.

    We could also talk about child rape, perpetrated by 'believers in JESUS', but that's another subject.

    It's NOT a WORK to decide NOT to commit suicide!
    And repentance is also not a WORK, but something which is generated by a LOVING and RIGHTEOUS God who HATES sin.
    Hans S
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    +J Wing
    Killing oneself accidentally isn't the same as deliberately killing oneself.
    Where is your sense of JUSTICE?
    Deliberately killing oneself is premeditated murder.

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    Steven Whitehouse
    Yesterday 11:47 PM




    But what your are saying is that Salvation is conditional, and it's not conditional. Salvation is not based on our performance! Like I Said, why do things that hard way? And to let you know +Hans S I've already told you that I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord & Savior 30 yrs ago and changed my direction from going to Hell, to go to Heaven! There is no sin that can send me to hell today or in the future! My faith, is based on the finished work of Jesus Christ which He did by shedding his blood on that cross at Calvary! Jesus came to save the world from their sins, sadly though not the entire world will accept a free gift! They want to say that they deserve to go to Heaven! when we all (thanks to adam 6,000 yrs ago disobeying the Lord's command) not to eat the forbidden tree. When adam sinned, sin entered into the world and came upon the entire human race! As by one man's disobedience many were many sinners; so by one man's obedience many were made right- eous! As in Adam, All Die, so in Christ shall all be made all live! Those who are placing their trust in Jesus Christ to get them to Heaven and not their works will go to Heaven! Those who reject Jesus Christ! will not be allowed into Heaven!
    J Wing
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    +Hans S they are the same thing. Its suicide by doing something stupid but its STILL SUICIDE, DEATH BY YOUR OWN HANDS.

    Humans are NOT BEAST. Ecclesiastes says they are AS BEASTS. It doesn't say they ARE beasts.

    God says once you are SAVED you are saved forever because Jesus loses NONE OF US. That is the judgment of God. Saved people that suicide ARE STILL SAVED.
    John 6:39
    And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of ALL which he hath given me, I should LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day.

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  15. +J Wing
    You said 'Got that?' as if I'm stupid.

    But tell me Jon, why is it so important to you to try make me see it your way?
    Can't you just be happy with the fact that I'm not a Satanist or an atheist or and evolutionist and that I'm glad that JESUS loves me and that He has saved me?
    What MUST I do to make you happy?
    Concur with you and say 'suicide is not an unpardonable sin'?
    But I've already done that in the recent past, and now you seem to be unhappy with the fact that I've changed my mind.

    Do you know why I've changed my mind?

    I tried to see it your way and then Satan attacked me by telling me 'now you've got license to kill yourself'.

    And I don't like to listen to Satan, so in order to annoy him, I've changed my mind and I re-read the piece written by a former cop, called Ralph: 'Will God forgive suicide? http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/index-2.html and I decided to make a topic about it on my site: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/08/suicide-is-always-in-interest-of-satan.html

    And you know what?

    I'm happy again, and when I saw it your way it made me very unhappy.

    And best of all: I'm making Satan unhappy again, though he's not really happy of course, because he knows that he's going to suffer and burn forever in the lake of fire.

    Laziness is also a sin, but a lazy person is just too lazy to be able to commit suicide.

    'If everything is meaningless, then committing suicide is also pointless'.

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    J Wing
    12:14 AM




    +Hans S I am not being condescending. You are just getting me upset because you are so stubborn. You know its a sin yet you stubbornly say its a SPECIAL SIN that can not be forgiven. Again Jesus said ALL SINS are forgiveable except rejecting Him as your savior. Do you honestly want to dispute Jesus over what is forgiveable and what is not when He said ALL SINS are forgiveable?

    No you adding to the definition of suicide. Go back to the root of the word plz. sui = self cide= kill. So it means SELF KILL. Where does it say you have to be angry to do it? Where does it say anything.

    I've take lots of psychology and I can tell you there is NEVER ANGER involved. Despair yes. Hopelessness yes. Hatred no.

    Again you have no verses for suicide being in the interest of Satan. Where do you come up with these UNBIBLICAL opinions? I am saying suicide has nothing to do with interest of Jesus. Jesus wants to Save the whole world not from death but the penalty for sin.

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  16. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I believe what JESUS says.

    JESUS is the WORD of God.

    JESUS hasn't all of a sudden become and idiot.

    These are the words of God, who happens to be JESUS:

    (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    12:45 AM




    +Hans S You don't make sense, why don't you believe what the Bible says?

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  17. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Why do you say 'your God'?

    I say with Thomas that JESUS is my Lord and my God!
    John 20:28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.

    "HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO US"

    AMEN! and this is His RIGHTEOUSNESS:

    (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    12:35 AM




    We are declared justified by FAITH in HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS IMPUTED TO US....no works of any kind that we do are involved except by putting all our hope and faith IN HIM.
    It never says OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS, we don't have any in God's eyes. That's the point.
    Salvation is of the LORD.
    Either Jesus is the PERFECT SACRIFICE, or you are saying someone who commits sin (suicide) did something to forfeit that free gift so they are going to hell....because of something they did (suicide) or something they didn't do (repent)....they can't repent of what?
    They committed a sin and they will go to hell for it? Why should God forgive a murderer but not a self murderer? How does God say He forgives people? Explain to me how your God says He forgives people and why He says He wont forgive suicide +Hans S
    And when we get saved we are a NEW CREATURE, it doesn't mean we will not get depressed, the person is a NEW CREATURE in God's eyes, whether they know it or not.
    Steven Whitehouse
    12:48 AM




    +Hans S I was talking to Joyce!

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  18. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Ezekiel 18:23-28 is about God-the Lord JESUS's justice and not about the law.
    This is our position: 1 Peter 4:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
    I'm so glad I won't burn in hell forever, thanks to JESUS!

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    1:32 AM




    +Hans S Under the law they stoned them to death, this is not talking about ETERNAL LIFE.

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  19. +J Wing Ezekiel 18:24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

    JESUS would tell me this, because these are HIS words!

    Watch this program from the '80s and learn that there's a lot more attached to suicide than just the killing of oneself:
    Fire by Nite 8802 Don't Say Suicide Rick Cua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPHZmNCZVBs

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    J Wing
    3:15 AM




    +Hans S I would tell you don't NOT because you become unsaved nor because you will go to Hell but rather I'd ask what is depressing you. Don't you see you are saying the wrong things to a suicidal saved person. You are trying to GUILT him into not pulling the trigger by saying he will send himself to Hell by doing so. Thats wrong approach and as a SAVED PERSON he can't go to Hell even if he tried.

    Truth of the matter is pulling that trigger and killing yourself won't get you UNSAVED and THAT is the only way to send yourself to Hell.

    How can you get yourself UNBORN again? Jesus said getting saved is getting BORN AGAIN. How does suicide make you UNBORN again? See how silly your notion is.

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  20. +DEE LEE SR. "We are in the middle of a war. We are His Body!
    You wanna know why many don't see the signs, miracles and wonders HE speaks about in the 4 gospels? Because instead of taking part in the warfare He assigned us too, there are Christians who have been BELIEVING for years...but only from the pews & their living rooms"

    Amen!

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    DEE LEE SR.
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    +Steven Whitehouse ��...ok my friend...
    LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS.
    1ST of all:
    I never said salvation was earned. PLEASE DON'T TWIST MY WORDS.
    No 1 can earn salvation through works.
    But just in case you missed it...The Lord gives multiple examples of those who receive the Word/Good News...but never truly allow it to take root. I'll go back once again to the Churches in the book of Revelation. Not sinners who don't know Him...but THE CHURCHES...ASSEMBLIES...the Body of believers who were well established in the FAITH CONCERNING JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. He told them to...REPENT! Maybe you & everyone else who believes that our names cannot be blotted out should go back and research His standards a bit further.
    2ND of all...Im not trying to get you to "change your mind", I'm attempting to enlighten you. Why do you think Paul spends so much time repeating the same things over & over again to the different Churches in his letters? It's not about works...it's about being purged of the works of the flesh & the renewing of our minds. The closer we draw to Him, the greater are the works of HIS SPIRIT...in us, and through us.
    We are in the middle of a war. We are His Body!
    You wanna why many don't see the signs, miracles and wonders HE speaks about in the 4 gospels? Because instead of taking part in the warfare He assigned us too, there are Christians who have been BELIEVING for years...but only from the pews & their living rooms. There is no more time to argue over doctrines! When was the last time you cast a devil out of 1 of these trolls attacking your faith? I'm finished arguing over what you and whoever else believes God is ok with disobedient children. I never said anything about condemnation, you did!
    The devil condems, but God convicts.
    What is the purpose of conviction? No need to respond, look it up in your daily reading time.
    Salvation is free to those who believe...but what has been added to your belief since you have moved into the realm of TRUE FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST?
    Im not here to judge, or prove anyone wrong...but it is time to mature. There are too many full grown Christians with full grown sets of teeth still drinking milk uncapable of digesting the meat your spirit man needs. Im done with this conversation brother. Enjoy the rest of your evening. AND TRULY...THERE ARE NO HARD FEELINGS.
    IRON SHARPENETH IRON.
    SHALOM-

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  21. +J Wing Ezekiel 18:23-28 is about God-the Lord JESUS's justice and not about the law.
    This is our position: 1 Peter 4:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
    I'm so glad I won't burn in hell forever, thanks to JESUS!
    Are you also glad you won't burn in hell forever, thanks to JESUS?

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    J Wing
    3:33 AM




    +Hans S stop mix old wine with new wine skins. The OT was about works to salvation that DIDN'T WORK. Israel proved that NO ONE could keep the whole Law and be holy by works.

    So Jesus came and fulfilled the Law and died in our place. We get all HIS righteousness and He took all our sins and paid for it by dying and rising again.

    So we have no more sins that haven't been paid for. ALL SINS are paid in full. Nothing is not covered. Even the sin of suicide is covered.

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  22. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +J Wing
    Originally, we're all outcasts and criminals in God's eyes
    and we all deserve to burn in the lake of fire, and no one but JESUS deserves heaven, so if I ask a fellow saved* JESUS-believer 'are you also glad you won't burn in hell forever, thanks to JESUS?', then at least I would expect to hear a confirmation and not an umpteenth attempt to defend suicide, perpetrated by people who were known to be fellow believers in JESUS, but who decided NOT to believe in Him when they murdered themselves, and then I also would expect more respect for what God-the Lord JESUS has said in Ezekiel 18:23-28, and I would not expect to encounter contempt for these words.

    *saved from God's eternal WRATH=the second death=the lake of fire.

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Is is fair to try to make me responsible for suicide among people who are/were known to be fellow believers in JESUS, but who decide(d) not to believe in Him in case/when they execute(d)/annihilate(d)/murder(ed)/kill(ed)/exterminate(d)/assassinate(d)/liquidate(d)/eliminate(d) themselves, because I allegedly preach(ed) the false gospel?

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    J Wing
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    Well if you know Jesus is about NOT GETTING HELL because of what we do? Then stop insisting suicide can get us Hell. It can't if the person already accepted Jesus earlier in their lives.

    It is ALL about whether or not the person BELIEVED on Jesus for salvation before they die.
    If they did BELIEVE, then suicide will not change that.
    If they did NOT BELIEVE, then suicide doesn't change the fact that they were already headed to Hell before the suicide.

    Either way suicide doesn't change the destination they were headed.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    5:33 AM




    +J Wing i agree 100% brother. +Hans S instead of arguing about this why don't you teach the true gospel and then maybe people wont want to commit suicide?

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  23. DEE LEE SR.
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    That has absolutely nothing to do with the subject of suicide.��

    Furthermore, at that time the Word says that the HolyGhost had not been given.
    AND ON TOP OF EVERYTHING...CONCERNING PETER...
    HE DENIED THE LORD, BUT HE REPENTED AND WAS FORGIVEN!
    You two are so motivated to prove someone wrong that true revelation goes right over your head!
    Jesus rebuked satan in Peter simply because Peter did not want Jesus to go...and unconsciously operating in the flesh, Peter spoke. But it was to be that prophecy had to be fulfilled (concerning Jesus being crucified) in order for the curse of sin and death to be lifted & broken, in order for mankind to have the opportunity to be redeemed. He was the perfect sacrifice for mankind...but Salvation is offered, not forced!
    ANYWAY...
    IT IS WRITTEN..."he that endures to the end...SHALL BE SAVED! There is no endurance in suicide...only someone who is convinced to throw in the towel & give up. So if a "so called believer" commits suicide...they not only give up on themselves, they also give up on Christ. He created you for HIS PURPOSES, NOT YOUR OWN!
    Once again ��...
    IT IS WRITTEN...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the Kingdom of God. JESUS' OWN WORDS! If you have a problem believing that, then take it up with Him...not me. WHEN SOMEONE IS...REBORN (of not just water...BUT SPIRIT!) They become part of the sheepfold, a member in the body of Christ, not just part of a local assembly. You are now...HIS! BOUGHT WITH A PRICE! PURCHASED IN HIS OWN BLOOD! YOUR LIFE IS NOT YOUR OWN TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT! ESPECIALLY NOT COMMITTING SUICIDE!
    And before any one of you decides to debate the context of the scripture concerning "he that endures to end shall be saved..." although He was speaking to the disciples about the tribulation period, HE IS EXPRESSING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TO CONTINUE IN THE FAITH!
    Time to pray...gotta work in the morning.
    Peace & blessings to you both.��

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    DEE LEE SR.
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    +J Wing HOLD ON MY BROTHER... I really respect your zeal...and our righteousness is that of a filthy rag...but through Jesus Christ (according to the scriptures) we have now become the righteousness of God & we have been mandated in the earth to occupy until He returns. We are told to walk in the Spirit. "IT IS WRITTEN" he that is spiritual judgeth all things, be he himself is judged of no man. We all make mistakes, but we are not to set up a tent there, live there, and stay there. Kinda like the example of the virgins not being prepared for the coming of the bridegroom...THEY LACKED SUFFICIENCY IN THEIR OIL SUPPLIES...OIL REPRESENTING HIS SPIRIT. Let's stop the bickering brother and move forward. If nothing else...Let's agree to disagree for the sake of HIS MINISTRY. If we truly seek His face concerning this issue in our spare time...Im sure He will reveal something to each and everyone of us that we can benefit from for present & future reference...FOR HIS GLORY.
    GOD bless brother...you always have interesting post. Keep the fellowship with the Lord.
    God bless-
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    +Hans S Interesting show, I'll check it out.

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      +DEE LEE SR. If you know you can't earn salvation by works, why are you foolishly trying to KEEP salvation by your works. It was a free gift to begin with. By saying you can lose your salvation due to the work of suicide is saying you have to keep yourself saved by your works.

      That flies in the face the whole NT.
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      +J Wing Mr. Wing��...I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ,
      Sanctified and set apart for His purposes... from the ways, thought processes, & beliefs of worldliness & this world's system,
      And filled with the precious gift of the Holy Ghost with many miraculous testimonies to go with it for the glory of His Kingdom & His Name (just as He promised).
      I don't attempt to keep salvation by works...His royal law is written on my heart magnifying the conviction of sins, giving me the ability to detest the ways of the old man my friend. He who returns to their sin is as a dog that eats it's own vomit ������. If the enemy attempted to tempt me with suicide...the grace of God would abound much greater, healing me in the areas I have been wounded in. (God forbid)
      Nevertheless, I am seated with Christ in Heavenly places. High above all powers, principalities, rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places! From glory to glory, and from faith to faith...God's strength is made perfect in my times of weakness. Either we have His Spirit or we need to draw closer to Him leading with sincere repentance & totally surrendering all things. Suicide has no power or hold on the true saints of the Kingdom...because the spirit of depression, oppression, death, doublemindedness, self deception, and rebellion are under our feet.
      Have a good day my friend.
      God bless-
      J Wing
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      +DEE LEE SR. Well if you understand that salvation is a free gift then stop acting like people need to do good works to keep it, like not suiciding.

      It is ALL about whether or not the person BELIEVED on Jesus for salvation before they die.
      If they did BELIEVE, then suicide will not change that they are headed to Heaven before the suicide.
      If they did NOT BELIEVE, then suicide doesn't change the fact that they were already headed to Hell before the suicide.

      Either way suicide doesn't change the destination they were
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      Maybe ya'll don't get it, the flesh is still FLESH our flesh has not been re-born, it is the SPIRIT within us that is re-born, we were all DEAD in sin. But now we are a NEW CREATURE...incomplete still because we do not have our GLORIFIED BODIES yet but we do have victory over the world and sin IN CHRIST. Being IN CHRIST is what makes all the difference.
      God promised to SAVE everyone who is IN CHRIST........God PROMISED eternal life to all who so ever BELIEVE IN HIM!
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      +J Wing If faith in Jesus Christ is truly within you...the fruit of His Spirit is present as well. Therefore the works of the devil have no place in you. ONCE AGAIN...suicide is a spirit that attacks your mind. The helmet of Salvation that true believers equip themselves with protects the mind. Prayer, and time in His Word suffices these things. 
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Actually, Jesus said...TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME. How can you follow Jesus & obey His voice, and obey the voice of the devil (suicide) at the same time? You can't. Who the Son makes free is free indeed Joyce. 

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      Goodnight people-
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +DEE LEE SR. Was Peter a follower of Jesus Christ?
      How can you follow Jesus & obey His voice, and obey the voice of the devil (suicide) at the same time? You can't.
      O contraire, then why did Jesus say to Peter that the Father revealed this to Him and directly after Peter's response Jesus said to Peter "get behind me Satan".
      hello???
      15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

      21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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  24. +J Wing
    Suicide is always in the interest of Satan.
    Why?

    Though Satan is INSANE, he's VERY intelligent and he knows that suicide has severe consequences, otherwise he and his fellow fallen angels wouldn't be trying to entice people to commit this deed.

    It's a HUGE victory for him if he succeeds to entice a believer in JESUS into committing suicide.

    Do you really think he (and the other fallen angels) would go to such lengths if he knew that a believer in JESUS would be rewarded with Paradise after the deed of self murder?

    OF COURSE NOT!

    But what will be rewarded by JESUS in case we suffer, while facing death?
    That we endure till the bitter end, just as He did.

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    J Wing
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Yes very right we are wasting our breathe with the don't suicide that can't save anyone message. We preach you are a sinner who needs a savior and God already sent Him, Jesus Christ. Believe on Him and you are safe from God's wrath on sin forever (however and whenever you die)

    +Hans S Satan's real work is not getting people to suicide but getting people NOT to hear the gospel of Jesus that can save them once and forever. Suicide doesn't damn anyone. Its the NOT ACCEPTING Jesus as savior that damns.

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  25. +J Wing +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist This will surprise you: I STILL agree with you that if a SAVED and BORN AGAIN WORSHIPER of JESUS commits the crime of self MURDER, he or she will still be forgiven and hasn't lost his or her status as a BELOVED CHILD of God.
    He or she will probably lose most if not all of his or her rewards, but he or she will NOT BURN in the lake of fire, but will be saved as THROUGH fire, when he or she will be judged before the Judgement Seat of Christ.

    I compare the crime of self murder with the man who slept with his mother and the mother who slept with her son, and who were both SAVED believers in JESUS.
    Fornication and incest are sins unto death, under the law, just like (self) murder.
    The Apostle Paul said that they had to be cast out of the assembly, and they had to live again as heathens among heathens, as if they had never surrendered to JESUS at all, so that they would be lost, concerning their FLESH, but be saved according to their MIND and SPIRIT.

    But let's agree that such cases are RARE and also concerning suicide among REAL, BORN AGAIN, SAVED, WORSHIPERS of JESUS.

    There are no DROVES of born again, saved believers in JESUS who say: 'let's all commit suicide, people, and we might lose all of our rewards, but today we will be with JESUS, because we were once saved, and we will always be saved....Praise JESUS, amen, HalleluYah!'.

    What's FAR MORE important is how WE interact with each other, BROTHER Jon, and SISTER Joyce.
    Calling each other names IN THE PRESENCE of JESUS, because HE IS HERE!!!, is NOT what JESUS wants.

    JESUS is EVERYWHERE, because HE IS GOD, manifested in the flesh/human capacity, and manifested in the SPIRIT, through the Holy Spirit, because JESUS and the FATHER are ONE.

    Let's AGREE on this: suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan.
    It will ROB an unsaved person of the opportunity to become saved, and it will rob a SAVED, and BORN AGAIN follower of JESUS of the rewards he or she would have been given by the Lord JESUS in the presence of the ENTIRE Body of Christ, but such a person will NOT BURN in the lake of fire.

    Judge Hans, has spoken on behalf of his Father, who happens to be GOD-THE LORD JESUS.

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    1. MIND YOU: my NAME means 'I AM is MERCIFUL'.
      (Hans=Johannes=Yochanan=I am is merciful).
      Hans S
      8:36 PM




      And my third name is CHRISTIAAN, which is Dutch for the English name CHRISTIAN.
      (the word for 'Christian' in Dutch is 'Christen').
      I am a JESUS CHRISTIAN, because I say so!

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      J Wing
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      Why do you have no verse saying suicide is in the interest of Satan? Because you are making it up. You have a very lively imagination but if its not found in the Bible, we can no say its true. Where in the Bible does it say Satan is insane?

      Wake up believers are not REWARDED. We are given what we DON'T deserve. THAT is grace. UNMERITED & UNDESERVED & UNEARNED FAVOR.

      This is why suicide doesn't change anything.

      You didn't deserve paradise but you got it anyway. So self murder doesn't change it.
      We deserve Hell, unless we accept Jesus payment for our sins. So self murder still doesn't change that fact either.

      THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL, that we all deserve, is BELIEVING/TRUSTING Jesus as our Savior. That is the message of the Bible. Suicide or not suicide doesn't change it.
      J Wing
      5:58 PM




      +Hans S in case you missed it:
      THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL, that we all deserve, is BELIEVING/TRUSTING Jesus as our Savior. That is the message of the Bible. Suicide or not suicide doesn't change it.

      The question is not have you suicided or not. The question is Have you TRUSTED Jesus as Savior prior to death? Yes/No anything beyond this is from the evil one.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Hans S satan does two things, he tries to keep people from getting saved, and those who are saved he tries to stop them from their ministry that will save others.
      Once a person is SAVED satan can't take them to HELL so what he keeps trying to do is STOP them from being EFFECTIVE.
      If a believer suicides, they are no longer EFFECTIVE IN MINISTRY are they?

      As for me being happy about not going to HELL, I don't see my salvation as FIRE INSURANCE. I am ecstatic that I will be with Jesus my Lord and Saviour and my King where ever He is FOREVER!
      I would rather be a door keeper in the house of my God than to dwell in the tents of the wicked.

      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/doorkeeper.htm

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    2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      I am not WRONG: suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan!
      JESUS agrees with me!


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      J Wing
      8:31 PM




      Lets let the Bible put a rest to this foolishness that suicide can cause you to be damned.
      2 Timothy 2:13 (GNV)
      13 If we believe not, yet abideth he faithful: he cannot deny himself.

      Other versions say "If we are faithless, he is still faithful"

      Basically if we BELIEVED before and lose faith even in Jesus helping us, Jesus is STILL FAITHFUL to us. Once saved Always saved and even a little thing like sin at the end of our lives will not change that.
      Hans S
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      And my third name is CHRISTIAAN, which is Dutch for the English name CHRISTIAN.
      (the word for 'Christian' in Dutch is 'Christen').
      I am a JESUS CHRISTIAN, because I say so!
      Hans S
      8:57 PM




      +J Wing
      Suicide is NOT a 'little sin'!
      You speak from your inexperience.
      I hope and pray you will never become suicidal, because it's HELL on EARTH!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      8:57 PM




      +Hans S Lets say the Bible, the WORD OF GOD is CORRECT and Hans was WRONG.
      GOD'S WORD will always stand!

      2 Timothy 2:19Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE)

      19 But the truth of God stands strong. It cannot change. These words are sure: `The Lord knows the people who belong to him' and, `Let all those who use the name of the Lord stop their wrong ways.'

      2 Timothy 2:191599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      19 [a]But the foundation of God remaineth sure, and hath this seal, The Lord knoweth who are his: and, Let everyone that [b]calleth on the Name of Christ, depart from iniquity.

      2 Timothy 2:19Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

      19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

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    3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      You called me a heretic, earlier in the discussion.
      Later you said that I'm not a heretic, after the first time we came to an agreement.

      But you didn't say something like 'Hans, that was not nice of me to have called you a heretic, so please forgive me, because you are my brother in JESUS'.

      I had apologized for all the harsh words I had spoken, remember?

      I have two living blood sisters and one deceased, older half-sister who is saved and who is with JESUS, awaiting the resurrection of the dead and the rapture.
      My youngest blood sister is also saved, and the older and my younger blood sister is not yet saved.

      You are probably older than me, but you still refuse to tell me your age, as if women have a special privilege to lie about their age. http://youtubetrash.blogspot.nl/2016/05/why-do-some-women-lie-about-their-age.html

      Jon is about 40.
      I am 56.

      My youngest sister is 53 and the older is 54.

      I treat you just like I treat my sisters, and I also have three brothers: one is younger than me, and two of them are older than me and the oldest is a half-brother. They're 55, 57 and 61.
      They are all still unsaved and this goes for my mother (88) too.
      My dad died when he was 53 and I believe he is saved, because God-the Lord JESUS had used me to tell him about JESUS.

      So calling me a heretic is very serious, because a heretic is someone who will be cast into the lake of fire, and you CONDEMNED me with this name, as if you were God.
      Later you recanted, which is good, of course.

      We're headed to heaven and the New Earth and the New Jerusalem: let's LOVE one another and be beloved in JESUS.

      This is what JESUS wants: http://xembryo.blogspot.nl/2015/01/get-your-brain-fixed-high-priestly.html

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      +Hans S ???
      What's FAR MORE important is how WE interact with each other, BROTHER Jon, and SISTER Joyce.
      Calling each other names IN THE PRESENCE of JESUS, because HE IS HERE!!!, is NOT what JESUS wants.

      WHO IS NAME CALLING? THAT IS SOMETHING YOU DO, I haven't called you any names.

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    4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Good for you!


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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Hans S I am also over-joyed that I do not live by Hans' opinions....but by EVERY WORD OF GOD.
      When I meet my Saviour face to face, I want Him to say to me, well done my faithful servant, you KEPT MY WORD.

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    5. +J Wing "Do good works like not commit suicide to KEEP yourself saved?"
      Not committing suicide is NOT a work!


      Sometimes I think you think like a computer and not like a human being.

      We do not commit the act of self murder, because we RELY on JESUS, the way, the truth and the LIFE.

      That's not a work.

      That's simply following His example, because Satan tried to entice JESUS into committing suicide when he took Him to the top of the Temple/House of 'I AM that I AM' and he FAILED.

      Luke 4:9-13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 Then he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the Temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence,
      10 For it is written, That he will give his Angels charge over thee to keep thee:
      11 And with their hands they shall lift thee up, lest at anytime thou shouldest dash thy foot against a stone.
      12 And Jesus answered, and said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
      13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a little season.


      Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God......do NOT kill your SELF!
      Hans S
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "if you are adding to the grace (UNMERITED FAVOR) of God or the faith OF Christ Jesus for salvation and preaching another gospel other than the one that our Apostle Paul preaches, he says you are anathama."

      Says Joyce with the picture of a DOG.
      If you want to be respected among MEN, then I would change my attitude, if I were you.

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      J Wing
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      +DEE LEE SR. +Hans S
      THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL, that we all deserve, is BELIEVING/TRUSTING Jesus as our Savior. That is the gospel of the Bible. (Suicide/not suicide) or (repent/no repent) DOES NOT determine you going Heaven or Hell.
      Mark 16:16 (GNV) [Jesus great commission]
      He that SHALL BELIEVE and be baptized, shall be SAVED: but he that WILL NOT BELIEVE, shall be DAMNED.

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    6. The question is NOT have you suicided or not. NOT even have you repented or not. The CORRECT question is Have you TRUSTED Jesus as Savior prior to death? Yes/No anything beyond this is from the evil one.
      J Wing
      6:12 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. You misapply the enduring to the end to be saved of Matt24. look at v3 to see what questions Jesus was answering. He was talking to the Jews about the Jews in the time of Jacob's Trouble (70th week of Daniel). Otherwise if you want to incorrectly apply it to the church you end up with telling church members to run to the hills when you see Jerusalem encompassed by armies. This applied to 70 AD.

      Try to find out who is being talked to and about what subject and the time period applied. Salvation is by BELIEVING in Jesus only. No works of our own can change our salvation because its a 2nd birth. As irreversible as being born the first time.
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      +J Wing They are not rightly dividing the scriptures, the take up your cross and follow me is about becoming a disciple not salvation.
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist And more specifically to the disciples of Jesus day who would each have to be martyred for their faith in Jesus. If this was appicable to all Christians then we wouldn't have Christians who die peaceful deaths in their sleep.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      7:41 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. NO ONE WILL BE IN HELL FOR THEIR SIN, JESUS PAID FOR IT ALL AT THE CROSS, THEY WILL BE IN HELL FOR REJECTING THAT PROVISION.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      7:52 PM




      +DEE LEE SR.
      “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you.” —Matthew 6:33

      Please notice carefully that Matthew 6:33 does NOT say, “But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and OUR righteousness...” Rather, the Bible says ... seek HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. We are to seek Jesus' righteousness. 2nd Corinthians 5:21 states, “For He (God the Father) hath made Him (God the Son) to be sin for us, Who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” Amen!

      2nd Corinthians 5:21 Scripture speaks of Christ's imputed righteousness (i.e., our sins were placed upon Christ on the cross, and His righteousness is placed upon our record at the moment we trust Christ for salvation). You see my friend, we have no righteousness of our own to offer God. Isaiah 64:6, “But we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL OUR RIGHTEOUSNESSES ARE AS FILTHY RAGS; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” No amount of good works on our part can undo, nor make-up for, the sins you've committed throughout our life.

      Even one sin can send a person to Hell forever (James 2:10). That's why we all need GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS, i.e., the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. Jesus paid it all. Philippians 3:9, “And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith.” I love that... THE RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS OF GOD BY FAITH. You need God's righteousness because you have no self-righteousness to offer God.

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    7. We read in Romans 10:3-4, “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Amen. We need HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, that is, God's righteousness which is by faith in Jesus Christ. If you grasp this fundamental Biblical truth, then you will clearly see what is wrong with every false plan of salvation which includes human effort. Religion is man trying to reach God through human effort, whereas Christianity is God trying to reach man by the sacrifice of His Son on the cross.

      We are JUSTIFIED in the eyes of God by faith, just-if-I'd never sinned. The precious literal blood of Jesus washes our sins away forever (1st Peter 1:18,19; Revelation 1:5; Hebrews 9:12,24). This is true righteousness, and it is found ONLY in Christ Jesus! We are commanded to seek HIS righteousness if we want to obtain the Kingdom of God. “But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and RIGHTEOUSNESS, and sanctification, and redemption” (1st Corinthians 1:30). Christ is our righteousness, because He has the nail-scared hands, side, brow and feet.

      There is no other sacrifice for man's sins than the Lord Jesus Christ. This is what the Bible means in Hebrews 10:26, “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.” If you've heard the Gospel (good news) truth of Jesus Christ crucified, buried and risen; but rejected it, then there is no other way for you to be saved...

      Acts 4:10-12, “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”

      The Bible proclaims that Jesus died, was buried and rose again. This is the good news (the gospel)...

      1st Corinthians 15:1-4, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”

      Jesus died on the cross for our sins, He was buried, and resurrected three days later. Blessed be the Lord! A cross-less gospel is a false gospel. Any generic gospel which leads a sinner to “trust in Jesus” or “start a relationship with Jesus” is a false gospel if it leaves out the cross that Jesus bled and died upon for our sins. You must accept the Biblical truth that Jesus died for YOUR SINS. Jesus was buried in a tomb, which officiated His death. And then, hallelujah, Jesus Christ arose from the dead triumphant three days later!!! That is the gospel according to 1st Corinthians 15:1-4. There are many gospels being taught today which leave out the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Such a false gospel (another gospel) is “cursed” according to Galatians 1:7-9.

      When asked to give her testimony, I heard a popular religious singer on the radio say, “I was saved as a child when I prayed the Jesus prayer.” Kindly, that woman is as lost as the Devil, still hellbound in her sins. You don't get saved by praying. You get saved by receiving the sacrifice of Christ on the cross for your sins, believing that He resurrected from the dead three days later for your justification.

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    8. But you say, “Don't I have to repent?” Yes, certainly. But repentance is not what most people have been misled to think it is. Most people errantly think repentance means to turn away from sins, surrender one's life to Christ, and to reforming one's self. That's not correct. Biblical repentance means, “a change of mind.” Author Michael Patrick Bowen states in his excellent book titled, “I NEVER KNEW YOU,” on page 114, “Repent, as Christ meant it to be in terms of salvation, means to change your mind from trusting in what you can do for God to trusting only in what He can do for you.”

      Pastor Bob Gray Sr. at the Longview Baptist Temple church in Texas correctly preaches . . .

      “Repentance means to change your mind—change your mind—change your mind about how you want to get to Heaven to what God says you've got to do to get to Heaven. If you've got to repent of all your sins, you're still headed for Hell tonight.” —Pastor Bob Gray Sr., a quote from the awesome MP3 sermon, Why You Should Be A Part Of A Growing Church


      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/true_righteousness.htm
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      8:05 PM




      +Hans S http://understandgrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Defeating-Depression-Daily.mp3
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist - Only those who have rejected Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord & Savior will be in Hell. All those like you & me, J Wing, Wayne Crook, and many millions of others who believe that savaltion is a gift from God and that you can't earn or lose it. Will be in Heaven! I can't wait until we get to Heaven and see all the souls that have accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord & Savior from the time of Christ to the Rapture or death which ever comes first lol. If the Rapture happens before we die, we will never die again! We will live forever with God Almighty Jesus Christ and The Angels, The Prophets and e1 that has gone on before us! The greatest and grandest reunions of all reunions as yet to take place, will take place at the time of the Rapture. Literally, when every single Christian on planet will be taken. Notice I didn't say USA lol. I said planet Earth. The ones that'll be partying are we Christians with Jesus Christ at the "Marriage Supper Of The Lamb" during the tribulation in Heaven! Even those Christians who have committed suicide (That is, God took them home early before their time.)* We will see in Heaven! Jesus Christ does not lose anybody that places their trust in Him, including those who were saved and committed Suicide! People need to stop putting God's grace in box! They need to start realizing that Jesus's death has paid for all our sins in full with his blood that was shed on that cross 2,016 years! That's why some Christians can sing these songs that we often sing at church on Sundays. Song #1

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    9. #1 - Are You Washed in the blood of the lamb?
      #2 - Standing On the Promises Of God!
      #3 - On Christ The Solid Rock
      #4 - Amazing Grace (My Chains Are Gone)

      There are many more songs I could write, but I don't want to change the subject on suicide!
      DEE LEE SR.
      9:25 PM




      +J Wing I knew you would say that, that's why I addressed it already. You are operating in the spirit of error, & teaching false doctrine. REPENT or be held accountable.
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      DEE LEE SR.
      9:28 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist You are truly a piece of work...
      The blood is now truly off my hands.
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      Steven Whitehouse
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      So +DEE LEE SR. you say that people who commit suicide Can't be saved? Is the there anything too hard for the Lord? People like you want to put God in a box and attack us people who believe that the blood of Jesus Christ was sufficient enough to forgive and pay for every sin including suicide! You can't see how God can send good people to hell for not accepting the free gift of Salvation! If I'm correct, in your mind. Good people go to Heaven and bad people go to Hell! This is not how God sees it! For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God including me! I'm a sinner saved by Grace! God will lose nobody not even Christians who commit suicide! You just don't understand the power of God's grace & mercy! towards those who will simply believe! People like you like to think we who believe in "Once Saved, Always Saved" are decieved, a fool for believing in the afterlife! If being a fool for Jesus Christ wins souls, then so be it! I'll be a fool for Jesus Christ! As for me, I will always & forever believe in Once Saved, Always Saved. That the blood of Jesus Christ is sufficient to cover every sin that we committed or have yet to commit. Including the sin of suicide, which you don't believe. You also don't believe that the Lord's death on the cross can save everyone! Yet, in John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten SON that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life! You also certainly don't believe that God can just give eternal life to whosoever He chooses lol.

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    10. J Wing
      9:49 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. Just what gospel are you preaching. Do good works like not commit suicide to KEEP yourself saved? Did you somehow forget the simple verses of Eph2:8-9 that salvation is NOT BY WORKS?

      Suicide is a work and so therefore doesn't help you salvation-wise. I'm so sorry you missed simple things like that. And I ask again when you say repent just what definition are you using? Besides repenting doesn't save you. Only BELIEVING on Jesus saves. The Bible says that over and over and over again.

      Mark 16:16
      16 He that SHALL BELIEVE and be baptized, SHALL BE SAVED: but he that will not believe, shall be damned.
      1 John 5:5
      Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?
      Acts 16:31
      31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou SHALT BE SAVED, and thy house.
      1 John 5:13
      These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
      John 3:15
      That whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

      Notice to the false teachers like you there is no provisos. There is NOTHING ELSE that needs to be done other than BELIEVE in order to be saved and have eternal life.

      It doesn't say believe & repent does it? whoops guess the Bible doesn't agree with you. Guess you'd correct God and say you have to put in the repent there. Neverminding the fact that repent simply means a change of mind and nothing more.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      10:00 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. I would be careful, brother, if you are adding to the grace (UNMERITED FAVOR) of God or the faith OF Christ Jesus for salvation and preaching another gospel other than the one that our Apostle Paul preaches, he says you are anathama.

      Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

      NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.

      The gift is ETERNAL LIFE, not forgiveness of sins.
      Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

      WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS

      2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

      NOT IMPUTING TRESPASSES

      Romans 3:24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

      JUSTIFIED FREELY

      Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

      JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST

      Romans 4:24-25Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

      24 but for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

      IF WE BELIEVE ON HIM

      Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

      THE FREE GIFT came upon all men unto JUSTIFICATION of life.

      23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

      UNBELIEF broke them off and BELIEF can graft them back.

      For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

      THE GIFTS AND CALLING OF GOD ARE WITHOUT REPENTANCE (God is not going to change His mind and take away the gifts He promised, one first and foremost being ETERNAL LIFE)

      John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

      THE WILL OF THE FATHER....I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING

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    11. +J Wing "Do good works like not commit suicide to KEEP yourself saved?"

      Not committing suicide is NOT a work!

      Sometimes I think you think like a computer and not like a human being.

      We do not commit the act of self murder, because we RELY on JESUS, the way, the truth and the LIFE.

      That's not a work.

      That's simply following His example, because Satan tried to entice JESUS into committing suicide when he took Him to the top of the Temple/House of 'I AM that I AM' and he FAILED.

      Luke 4:9-13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 Then he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the Temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence,
      10 For it is written, That he will give his Angels charge over thee to keep thee:
      11 And with their hands they shall lift thee up, lest at anytime thou shouldest dash thy foot against a stone.
      12 And Jesus answered, and said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
      13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a little season.


      Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God......do NOT kill your SELF!
      Hans S
      10:17 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "if you are adding to the grace (UNMERITED FAVOR) of God or the faith OF Christ Jesus for salvation and preaching another gospel other than the one that our Apostle Paul preaches, he says you are anathama."

      Says Joyce with the picture of a DOG.
      If you want to be respected among MEN, then I would change my attitude, if I were you.
      Hans S
      10:44 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse "People like you"
      I don't like this term, because there are no 'people like you', because God-the Lord JESUS has made us all UNIQUE.

      There are people who agree with each other and there are others who disagree, and in this way the danger is that people who believe in the same JESUS Christ will become divided and form parties/tribes/groups etc:

      Galatians 5:19-21 World English Bible (WEB)
      19 Now the deeds of the flesh are obvious, which are: adultery, sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, STRIFE, jealousies, outbursts of anger, RIVALRIES, DIVISIONS, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom.

      Galatians 5:19-21 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      19 Moreover the works of the flesh are manifest, which are adultery, fornication, uncleanness, wantonness,
      20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, DEBATE, emulations, wrath, CONTENSIONS, SEDITIONS, heresies,
      21 Envy, murders, drunkenness, gluttony, and such like, whereof I tell you before, as I also have told you before, that they which do such things, shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

      they which do such things, shall not inherit the kingdom of God...HUH???

      And we're ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED??

      Who wrote this....the 'lesser Apostle Peter'?

      No, PAUL!

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  26. +DEE LEE SR.
    In PRINCIPLE I believe that someone who once was SAVED by JESUS (so not the postman or the milkman, but God, manifested in the flesh)
    and who became so DEPRESSED (under the influence of Satan, of course, and due to WRONG thinking, and in many cases due to secret and unconfessed/unacknowledged sins) so that he or she saw no other way out than to TERMINATE his or her OWN life, is still a SAVED person, but he or she will lose all rewards, but (s)he will not BURN FOREVER in the lake of fire, which is the second death and eternal separation from God-the Lord JESUS.

    The point is: the way OSAS adherents talk about suicide, it seems to be a legitimate way to get into heaven and it could persuade unstable souls to actually decide to choose this dreadful path.

    And what will OSAS adherents preach to people who are in this state of depression, and who are fellow believers in JESUS?

    Will they have the LOVE for such people so that they WON'T commit the act of self murder, or will they BANG them on their heads with Bibles and Bible verses?

    I'm a Dutch ex-atheist and in the past I NEVER wanted to have anything to do with 'insane Christians' and other 'religious imbeciles' and the sound of church bells annoyed me.

    I'm so glad to know that JESUS never wanted His beloved to build 'churches' with 'church towers', and 'with church organs' and 'church bells', but simple functional buildings in which He would be worshiped and not the building itself.

    The Roman Catholic church and human religiosity is behind all the religious madness that will NEVER attract outsiders.

    But that's another subject...

    The subject is suicide, perpetrated by believers in JESUS.

    I have known several people who were known to be believers in JESUS who have killed themselves.

    I'm not sure whether they were all really SAVED, because I make a distinction between a born again, saved person and a believer.

    BILLIONS of people BELIEVE (like for example Roman Catholics), but they are not (yet) saved.

    Let's tell them about JESUS and the GOSPEL of GRACE, taught by OUR Apostle Paul on behalf of the Lord JESUS.

    They also need to know the truth about suicide: if you're an unsaved person, suicide will prevent you from ever making a free choice for JESUS.
    Not suicide will bring you into hell/the lake of fire, but your UNBELIEF in the Savior JESUS.

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    1. And what I believe concerning a SAVED believer in JESUS, who has ended his or her life through the act of self murder, I've already explained.

      The point is, that God-the Lord JESUS will not UNSAVE someone He once had SAVED.

      Why not?

      Because the devil is NOT in control, but JESUS, and because God-the Lord JESUS will keep His word.

      We all deserve to rot in hell, and I deliberately say it bluntly: My former RELIGION: NIHILISM http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/04/my-former-religion-nihilism.html

      BREAKING NEWS: We all DESERVE to ROT in HELL!
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/09/breaking-news-we-all-deserve-to-rot-in.html

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      10:47 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. 6 Then answered the Lord unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

      7 Gird up thy loins now like a man:
      I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
      8 Wilt thou also disannul my judgment?
      wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?
      9 Hast thou an arm like God?
      or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?
      10 Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency;
      and array thyself with glory and beauty.
      11 Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath:
      and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.
      12 Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low;
      and tread down the wicked in their place.
      13 Hide them in the dust together;
      and bind their faces in secret.
      14 Then will I also confess unto thee
      that thine own right hand can save thee.

      NO YOUR OWN RIGHT HAND CANNOT SAVE YOU, YOU NEED HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

      Isaiah 53:5 But HE WAS wounded for our transgressions, HE WAS bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was UPON HIM; and with HIS STRIPES we are healed.

      Isaiah 53Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

      53 Who hath BELIEVED our report?
      and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

      TRY READING THE WHOLE CHAPTER OF ISAIAH 53 and see if you have anything you can do to earn your salvation.

      All we like sheep have gone astray;
      we have turned every one to his own way;
      and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

      The Lord hath laid ON HIM the INIQUITY OF US ALL.
      DEE LEE SR.
      10:53 PM




      +Hans S GO HEAD BROTHER!!!

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    2. +J Wing "So much for your stay holy to stay saved idea which is totally unBiblical.

      Thanks for letting the Bible prove you WRONG. Now repent of this foolishness and join the work of preaching the gospel: BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved before you die, however that might come."

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      Ephesians 1:4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      4 As he hath chosen us in him, before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, and without blame before him in love.

      But who the HELL is Paul?
      The former MASS MURDERER SAUL!

      Now I dare you to go to the SATANIC atheists and preach them the Gospel of Grace and the Love of Christ JESUS.


      They will tell you to kill yourself ASAP or to rape your mother...
      Atheists are proof of the existence of the devil 2
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/02/atheists-are-proof-of-existence-of.html

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      11:39 PM




      +Hans S Romans 3:4God forbid: yea, let God be true, and every man a liar, as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, and overcome, when thou art judged.
      J Wing
      11:42 PM




      +Hans S +DEE LEE SR. Funny how you just stop with the listing of those who won't get into the kingdom. Lets see what you missed.
      1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (KJV)
      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
      11 AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

      whoops guess we were saved and do inherit God's kingdom after all. NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE, but because of what Jesus did. So much for your stay holy to stay saved idea which is totally unBiblical.

      Thanks for letting the Bible prove you WRONG. Now repent of this foolishness and join the work of preaching the gospel: BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved before you die, however that might come.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      11:42 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. Which is it?
      You said this

      (((Mr. Wing��...I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ,
      Sanctified and set apart for His purposes... from the ways, thought processes, & beliefs of worldliness & this world's system,
      And filled with the precious gift of the Holy Ghost with many miraculous testimonies to go with it for the glory of His Kingdom & His Name (just as He promised).
      I don't attempt to keep salvation by works...His royal law is written on my heart magnifying the conviction of sins, giving me the ability to detest the ways of the old man my friend. )))

      Are you going to add all your BUTS HERE?

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    3. +J Wing
      I need to write my sister an email, and she's an ex-atheist too, just like me, and I will tell her about this discussion, and why it kept me from writing her.

      That's what I need to do, according to me.

      Bub bye and see you later!

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      J Wing
      Yesterday 11:54 PM




      +Hans S You need to clarify simply your position.
      I believe that someone who once was SAVED by JESUS*[BELIEVING in Jesus]* and who became so DEPRESSED that they TERMINATE his or her OWN life, is STILL a SAVED person and won't go to Hell.

      If you're an unsaved person, suicide will prevent you from ever making a free choice for JESUS.
      Not suicide will bring you into hell/the lake of fire, but your UNBELIEF in the Savior JESUS.

      I might add UNBELIEF in Jesus as savior in THIS LIFE is the only thing that dooms a person to Hell. And that one reason alone. Therefore suicide isn't what dooms a person to Hell

      If you agree with this summary say so.

      Summary of my position is Neither suicide nor non-repentance makes you unsaved. Only the REJECTION of [NOT BELIEVING on] Jesus as Savior makes you unsaved.

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    4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      You're not ashamed of JESUS?

      Then show your face to the world and love your enemies and don't kill them with your gun!

      Oh...and tell me how old/young you are..
      Hans S
      12:33 AM




      BUB BYE!!

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:15 AM




      +Hans S Women have no credibility with Lordship salvations or works salvationists because unlike God who says "there is neither male nor female" in the body of Christ and that He God "is no respecter of persons" they think men are superior to women not equals, it has nothing to do with a dog icon.

      You are afraid to preach the truth the true gospel...what does God say about the "fearful" and "unbelieving" and where do you think this spirit of fear comes from?

      What happens to people who do not have a "love of the truth"?

      I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth
      Romans 1:16King James Version (KJV)

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    5. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      WHY?
      WHY NOT?

      I have sent my sister an email and I'm back, but I've had enough of this discussion.
      NOBODY deserves to be saved, Joyce, nobody!
      I'm so GLAD to know that these kinds of debates will be a thing of the past when we'll be where JESUS is.
      Everybody will be transparent in JESUS's world and I will never have to use a PC again and a computer keyboard in order to communicate and I will be able to talk DUTCH and ALL others will understand me from their own language and I will understand them.
      I believe that JESUS created our brain so incredibly sophisticated that this will be no problem.
      I'm really looking forward to it!
      You too?
      And we will never be on NSA-CIA monitored 'social media' again, and the Roman Catholic death cult and the Vatican NWO will not be remembered.
      In the beginning of my salvation I discovered the American (from your state CA) punk-new wave gospel band UNDERCOVER and this became one of my favorite songs: Undercover - Branded - If I Had a Dream
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiNo4dV3vrA
      I was also able to talk to the guitarist, after I had seen them in concert in 1985 in my country, 2 weeks after the death of my dad.
      Unfortunately the keyboard/bassplayer-band leader became an apostate https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ojo+taylor+undercover I've had contact with his younger brother, who unfortunately doesn't believe in the preJacob's Trouble-rapture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng1vzIBFCb4 and we also talked about his older brother who has turned his back on JESUS....
      +Steven Whitehouse Amen, Steven.

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      Steven Whitehouse
      12:40 AM




      I know this question wasn't directed to me, but I will say. That I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ or his name! The preaching of the cross is fooliness to them who are perishing. But to those who are saved it is the power of God! 1st Corinthians 1:18
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:42 AM




      +Hans S WHY?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:16 AM




      Sinless perfectionist freaks are not saved...

      I said that people who continue to work to earn or keep their salvation after accepting it as a gift are demonstrating that they haven’t entered their Sabbath Rest. It means that they don’t really believe that Jesus saved them completely, and that they have to finish the job that He said with His last breath was already finished. This means they believe that the ultimate responsibility for our salvation rests with us and not with the blood of Jesus, so we’re really saved by some combination of His Grace plus our works.

      https://gracethrufaith.com/topical-studies/spiritual-life/not-everyone-who-says-to-me-lord-lord-will-enter-the-kingdom/
      Steven Whitehouse
      1:53 AM
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    6. Remember what James 2:10 says; If you are trying to keep the Law, and fail at one point you are guilty of all! Here is the KJV Of James 2:10 ok.

      James 2:10
      10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

      It sadden me that people can't keep Salvation and works separate! They always have to put the two together as the means of obtain Salvation. The only thing I can do for these people who believe that they have to earn their way into heaven is pray for them. That they see the Light before it's too late. For salvation is by Grace Alone through Faith Alone So many good & sincere Christian could be left behind at the Rapture. Because they are trusting in their good works to get them into Heaven when they should be trusting in the finished work that Jesus did on that cross at Calvary 2,016 years ago! These are those who will say to Jesus on that great judgement day when they stand before God fulfilling Isaiah 45:23; Philippians 2:9-11; Romans 14:11-12. And they will repeat

      Matthew 7:21-23
      21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

      22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

      23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity

      These people who will repeat those words above will be in for a rude awakening.

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    7. +J Wing "the work of suicide" sounds like going to school or work.

      "Hi folks, today I'm going to do the work of suicide'.

      Oh yeah?

      'Yes, after I come home from work'

      'Oh.....but it won't get you into trouble, because once saved always saved'.

      'Exactly! and goodbye!'.

      'Have a nice suicide!'.

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      J Wing
      2:48 AM




      +Hans S Your last message daring me to preach the gospel to atheist made very little sense. I've done that but I start with proving the Bible is correct and accurate then move to what it says that there is a God and that it says we are all sinners. And that we all need a savior.

      They need change their mind from there being no God FIRST (repent). Then they need accept that there IS A GOD and he wrote the Bible. Then they can accept that they are sinners and need a savior. Its really not that hard esp coming from a science background.
      J Wing
      2:50 AM




      +DEE LEE SR. If you believe salvation has NO WORKS in it, like you profess. Then why can't you get it that the work of suicide doesn't make you saved or unsaved? Its like you have this huge disconnect.

      Suicide isn't what damns someone. It is reject Jesus as savior that damns someone.
      Hans S
      2:56 AM




      +J Wing
      Yes, I know it's not hard to talk to atheists, but you will never be able to convince them with all you know about the Bible.
      Only God-the Lord JESUS can convince them, and I'm proof of that.
      They just LIKE to be adversaries and especially toward Christians.

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    8. +Steven Whitehouse
      You came up with the thought that you are ridiculed because of OSAS.

      That's not the point: it's about the way some talk about suicide, as if it's a walk in the park.

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      Steven Whitehouse
      3:37 AM




      Yep, you may call us a fool for believing in Once Saved, Always Saved! But maybe as a fool we can win souls for Jesus Christ before it's too late! Because once the age of grace is over. It will be too late to accept Salvation for free! During the tribulation you will be "forced" to renounce you decision for Jesus Christ.
      The bible says in the book of Proverbs; He that winneth souls is wise!

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    9. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Why don't you ask him this PERSONALLY through a private share?


      And why can't WE agree that suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan, even when Satan is not able to make a saved person unsaved again, because it's always a TRAGIC case and no normal person will REJOICE after someone has committed such a deed?

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      3:46 AM




      I DON'T UNDERSTAND DEE LEE SR.4:33 PM


      CALLING US THREE:

      +J Wing You 3 are unlearned...unseasoned...& unteachable. Repent, and be renewed in the spirit of your minds.

      DEE LEE SR.4:35 PM


      AND LAUGHING AT ME

      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist ANOTHER GODPEL??? ARE YOU SERIOUS???
      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
      

      DEE LEE SR.4:36 PM

      LAUGHING AT ME FOR SHARING THE GOSPEL


      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist HAHAHAHA!!!������

      CALLING ME A PIECE OF WORK

      DEE LEE SR.3:28 PM

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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist You are truly a piece of work...
      The blood is now truly off my hands.
      END-

      CLAIMING TO KNOW AND BE SAVED BY FAITH ALONE AND THEN SAYING THIS?

      ANYWAY...
      IT IS WRITTEN..."he that endures to the end...SHALL BE SAVED! There is no endurance in suicide...only someone who is convinced to throw in the towel & give up. So if a "so called believer" commits suicide...they not only give up on themselves, they also give up on Christ. He created you for HIS PURPOSES, NOT YOUR OWN!
      Once again ��...
      IT IS WRITTEN...No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the Kingdom of God. JESUS' OWN WORDS! If you have a problem believing that, then take it up with Him...not me. WHEN SOMEONE IS...REBORN (of not just water...BUT SPIRIT!) They become part of the sheepfold, a member in the body of Christ, not just part of a local assembly. You are now...HIS! BOUGHT WITH A PRICE! PURCHASED IN HIS OWN BLOOD! YOUR LIFE IS NOT YOUR OWN TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT! ESPECIALLY NOT COMMITTING SUICIDE!
      And before any one of you decides to debate the context of the scripture concerning "he that endures to end shall be saved..." although He was speaking to the disciples about the tribulation period, HE IS EXPRESSING THE FACT THAT YOU ARE TO CONTINUE IN THE FAITH!
      Time to pray...gotta work in the morning.
      Peace & blessings to you both.��

      AND THINKING SOMEONE WHO COMMITS SUICIDE EITHER SOMEHOW LOST SALVATION OR WAS NOT SAVED BY THEIR FAITH????? AS IF A BELIEVER HAS NEVER COMMITTED SUICIDE EVER??????AND AS IF SUICIDE IS AN UNFORGIVABLE SIN?????


      WHAT IS HE PREACHING? AND WHY IS HE ACCUSING US ALL OF NOT READING THE BIBLE???? SOUNDS PRETTY SELF RIGHTEOUS TO ME.

      +J Wing +Steven Whitehouse 

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    10. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Can we agree that the King James Bible is MASONIC?
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/07/king-james-bible-1611-is-masonic.html

      I mean: will 'kristians' EVER agree or only when they're asleep or dead?

      I agree with you that salvation through JESUS Christ is eternal life and that Satan=adversary is a defeated foe.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:11 AM




      +Hans S Of course suicide is sin and all sin is evil, don't you agree? I would never preach to someone to go and sin!! That is absurd! I would point them to Christ and the joy of their salvation and to grow in grace and realize that there is no temptation known to man that God will not also with the temptation provide a way to escape

      King James Bible
      There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

      Can we agree that SALVATION is ETERNAL LIFE and not focus on the enemy who is a defeated foe?

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    11. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      'My' Geneva Bible?...I'm DUTCH!

      Written by a WOMAN btw:
      Shocking... yet true! The King James Bible was commissioned by Freemason King James... KJV is an antichrist translation, which makes God the Tempter Satan, and its readers idolaters of many gods!
      http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/king-james-bible-1611-is-masonic.html

      +DEE LEE SR. Joyce is a special kind of woman ;)
      Hans S
      5:15 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yes, the not so great word breeches in the GNV 1560 is very EVIL..all Geneva Bibles should be DESTROYED....I mean..this is an OUTRAGE!
      DISGUSTING.....Adam and Eve walking around in BREECHES....

      But that doesn't take away the fact that King James was a FREE MASON and a servant of the VATICAN.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:32 AM




      +DEE LEE SR. No 1 can earn salvation through works.
      But just in case you missed it...The Lord gives multiple examples of those who receive the Word/Good News...but never truly allow it to take root. I'll go back once again to the Churches in the book of Revelation. Not sinners who don't know Him...but THE CHURCHES...ASSEMBLIES...the Body of believers who were well established in the FAITH CONCERNING JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. He told them to...REPENT! Maybe you & everyone else who believes that our names cannot be blotted out should go back and research His standards a bit further.

      OK, SO SALVATION IS BY FAITH NOT WORKS SO HOW DOES ONE GET THEIR NAME BLOTTED OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE?

      WHEN GOD SAYS "I WILL NOT BLOT HIS NAME OUT OF THE BOOK".

      AND HOW DO YOU THINK ONE IS AN OVERCOMER?

      1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

      5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:54 AM




      +Hans S Seriously Hans?
      http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/freemasonry-and-the-bible.html

      They use all Bibles and other books too, including your Geneva Bible.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:59 AM




      +Hans S Here you go
      http://nationalheritagemuseum.typepad.com/library_and_archives/2014/06/the-oldest-book-in-our-library-a-geneva-breeches-bible-1580.html
      DEE LEE SR.
      5:00 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist You just don't rest do you?
      Whoever believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God should live it...case closed!

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    12. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Is this your TERRITORY?


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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      5:48 AM




      +Hans S http://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Geneva+Bible&item_type=topic&overlay=1&sr=50

      COMPARING THE GENEVA AND THE KING JAMES
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      5:49 AM




      +Hans S Enough of this nonsense

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    13. +Steven Whitehouse "Well you said that those who commit suicide, have lost their salvation"

      Not true.
      I said the following:

      In PRINCIPLE I believe that someone who once was SAVED by JESUS (so not the postman or the milkman, but God, manifested in the flesh) and who became so DEPRESSED (under the influence of Satan, of course, and due to WRONG thinking, and in many cases due to secret and unconfessed/unacknowledged sins) so that he or she saw no other way out than to TERMINATE his or her OWN life, is still a SAVED person, but he or she will lose all rewards, but (s)he will not BURN FOREVER in the lake of fire, which is the second death and eternal separation from God-the Lord JESUS.

      The point is: the way OSAS adherents talk about suicide, it seems to be a legitimate way to get into heaven and it could persuade unstable souls to actually decide to choose this dreadful path.
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      I also believe I'm forever saved, but I want all of us to agree that committing suicide is always in the interest of Satan.

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      Steven Whitehouse
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      Well you said that those who commit suicide, have lost their salvation. That is why I brought the subject of Salvation up! People need to keep Salvation & Works Separated! They always love to put the 2 together. Making it sound like you have to earn salvation. once you earned salvation. You to do good to stay saved! We are not living in Old Testament times Hans S. As in Adam All DIE, So in Christ shall ALL be made ALIVE!

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    14. +DEE LEE SR.
      In principle God-the Lord JESUS will save a born again suicide perpetrator, because of His goodness and mercy.

      The question is: are people really born again and saved in the first place who (have) commit(ted) suicide?
      "Yes, they are', say OSAS-adherents....and I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS, who knows us better than we know ourselves.

      I say: suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan, and enduring till the (sometimes) bitter end is ALWAYS in the interest of JESUS!

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      Steven Whitehouse
      1:07 PM




      I said that are those who say that, don't be twisting my word ok! There are people who teach that if you commit suicide, you go straight to hell and not heaven! In which I don't believe ok! Everyone that has accepted Jesus Christ as their savior belongs to Jesus Christ! Satan can not have them anymore lol! He would like to get them back. But will never get them back again!
      DEE LEE SR.
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist​​​ I laugh because because it heals, I call you unteachable & unseasoned because you write things that I have not said or believed based upon your assumptions of why I disagree with you. My stand against suicide does not place me in the category of Salvation by works. I do not agree with salvation by our works. Our works as ministers/servants represent the passion of our faith. I am a Kingdom Builder. I teach no denomination. I teach the Kingdom.
      All ties to suicide are depression, murder, sadness etc...these have no ties to the fruit of the Spirit.
      Jesus is not returning for a denomination, a certain bloodline, or religion...
      He is returning for those who have His Spirit.
      Except a man be born of water AND SPIRIT he cannot enter the Kingdom.

      MANY SHALL COME FROM THE EAST AND WEST AND SIT DOWN WITH ABRAHAM, AND ISAAC, AND JACOB, IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM SHALL BE CAST OUT INTO OUTER DARKNESS. THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND KNASHING OF TEETH.
      This is because of unbelief that Jesus is the Messiah. Understand who He's speaking of. GOD HAS NO FAVOR OF PERSONS.

      Jesus said, IF YE LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.
      Mercy forgives us of sin. His sacrifice established the grace that keeps us from returning into THE LAW/CURSE OF SIN.
      HIS SPIRIT convicts us of sin, bringing us back to our first love through repentance ...which is HIM.

      Some say repentance has nothing to do with it.
      "FOR GODLY SORROW WORKETH REPENTANCE TO SALVATION NOT BE REPENTED OF: BUT THE SORROW OF THE WORLD WORKETH DEATH. 2 COR. 7:10

      AS MANY AS I LOVE, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE,AND REPENT. REV. 3:19

      REMEMBER THEREFORE HOW THOU HAST RECEIVED AND HEARD, AND HOLD FAST, AND REPENT. IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A THEIF, AND THOU SHALT NOT KNOW THE HOUR I WILL COME UPON THEE. (REV. 3:3)

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    15. REMEMBER THEREFORE FROM WHENCE THOU ART FALLEN, AND REPENT, AND DO THE FIRST WORKS; OR ELSE I WILL COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY, AND WILL REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS PLACE, EXCEPT THOU REPENT.

      Without repentance, there is no forgiveness.
      THE LORD SAID, FORGIVE A MAN 70 TIMES 7 EVERYDAY...IF HE REPENTS! (Confesses fault & seeks forgiveness)

      It's all about the heart condition. Even as Christians, we have to allow God to CREATE IN US A CLEAN HEART AND A RIGHT SPIRIT.
      This is the process of being conformed into His image...daily.
      A hard heart has to be softened. It has no place in His Kingdom. This is why backsliders have to repent and come back to their 1st love.

      NOW THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH: BUT IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, MY SOUL SHALL HAVE NO PLEASURE IN HIM. BUT WE ARE NOT OF THEM WHO DRAW BACK UNTO PERDITION, BUT OF THEM THAT BELIEVE TO THE SAVING OF THE SOUL. HEBREWS 10 :38

      FOLLOW PEACE WITH ALL MEN, AND HOLINESS, WITHOUT WHICH NO MAN WILL SEE THE LORD: LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; LEST ANY ROOT OF BITTERNESS SPRINGING UP TROUBLE YOU, AND THEREBY MANY BE DEFILED; LEST THERE BE ANY FORNICATOR, OR PROFANE PERSON, AS ESAU, WHO FOR ONE MORSEL OF MEAT SLLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT. FOR YE KNOW HOW THAT AFTERWARD, WHEN HE WOULD HAVE INHERITED THE BLESSING, HE WAS REJECTED: FOR HE FOUND NO PLACE OF REPENTANCE, THOUGH HE SOUGHT IT CAREFULLY WITH TEARS. HEBREWS 12:14-17

      SEE THAT YE REFUSE NOT HIM WHO SPEAKETH. FOR IF THEY ESCAPED NOT WHO REFUSED HIM THAT SPAKE ON EARTH, MUCH MORE SHALL WE NOT ESCAPE, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM THAT SPEAKETH FROM HEAVEN: HEBREWS 12:25

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    16. Does the Bible Teach “One Saved, Always Saved”?

      "Wicked people don’t even try to live for God, because they have not the Holy Spirit of God (Romans 8:9). Christians, at best, are horrible sinners trying to live right, falling and getting up, falling and getting up, ‘til the Lord returns or takes us home to glory (Romans 7:15-24). All Christians sin every day. This is the great folly of those who claim that salvation can be lost. If living in sin causes a person to lose salvation, then we're all going to Hell, because we are all dirty, rotten, lousy sinners. "
      http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/saved_certain.htm

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      10:37 PM




      +DEE LEE SR. You called me a piece of work and laughed at me when I said you had a false gospel, if you think sin can cause someone to lose salvation you have a false gospel PERIOD! It's not for me to correct you on your kingdom doctrine but I share the true gospel with people.
      Most people don't get it because of self righteous pride.
      They focus on them self but the GIFT is Jesus, they forget that the Father endured giving His Son to be mocked, spat upon, beaten, and crucified to save that soul who so ever BELIEVES even if they become so depressed as to give up on this life, He gave His life for them and He understands the evil and cruelty of this world, and He loves people that much.

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    17. +Steven Whitehouse THE CLEAR GOSPEL IN 4 MINUTES (Dr. Ralph Yankee Arnold) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1VU-_OF98
      Great message and I've watched brother Ralph Yankee Arnold before.

      Could you be so kind to use the 'Reply' option if you're addressing someone, so that no one has to guess who you're addressing, or use the PLUS system (type a + and then the username)?

      I'm forever saved, thanks to JESUS, and I've told that in principle I agree that in case a forever saved person would be so stupid to commit suicide, he or she remains being saved.

      My point is that only God-the Lord JESUS is able to determine whether a person was truly saved who has committed this deed, or who is going to commit this deed.

      I don't have beloved (like close relatives) who have committed this SAD and LONELY deed, called suicide.

      But I personally knew several people who were known to be believers in JESUS, who have committed this deed.

      I can't say FOR SURE that they were saved before they killed themselves.

      So I have no other option than to leave it to God what will happen to them.

      Do you agree with me that there's a distinction between a believer and a BORN AGAIN believer in JESUS?

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      Steven Whitehouse
      Yesterday 11:56 PM




      Yes it does. Jesus talked about, Paul talked about, all of his disciples talked about. The writer in Hebrews talked about Jesus dieing "Once And For All" Which explains why I often read the book of Hebrews my favorite chapter & verses are 9:22; Hebrews 10:25; among many other verses. Chapters 9/10 In Hebrews has alot to say about once saved, always saved! Hans S, if you don't believe in Eternal Life than you are not saved. If you believe that Salvation is work base (Lordship Salvation) then you are not saved. If you believe that salvation can be lost, then how do u know that you have lost your salvation. If your trying to keep the commandment and fail at any point in the law, then you are guilty of all James 2:10. And 1 John 5:13 says that you may know that you have eternal life, not hope so, not think so! Hans S, here's a video that will help you understand the gospel better.

      The Clear Gospel In 4 Minutes. Is what i call it.
      by Ralph "Yankee" Arnold

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh1VU-_OF98

      I hope that you take the time to watch it ok, it's 4:03 long.

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    18. +J Wing
      It's getting clearer to me that you're DECEIVED.

      Atheists call everyone who BELIEVE in the supernatural or deities BELIEVERS.
      Being BORN AGAIN is a MIRACLE from God and NOT just a decision by changing one's mind.
      And if Ralph Yankee Arnold uses a KJV then he's not awakened yet to the truth that the older Geneva Bible is BETTER.

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      J Wing
      12:43 AM




      +Hans S Btw Yankee Arnold uses the KJV too. No I do not see the Bible showing any distinction between a believer and a born again believer in Jesus. They are the same.

      If you BELIEVE on Jesus you are born again. Old things are past away all things become new according to Paul.
      John 3:3
      Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

      How are you born again?
      1Peter 1:21-23
      21 Who by him do BELIEVE in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
      22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
      23 Being BORN AGAIN, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

      You see being BORN AGAIN is to BELIEVE IN JESUS. You see its exactly the same thing. Stop complicating the matter that God made extremely simple.

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    19. +J Wing
      What 'LoL'?
      MILLIONS of people believe that JESUS was raised from the dead who are NOT born again!

      They are called Catholics and Protestants and even Evangelicals.

      And it's NOT about a superiority complex, but about KNOWING JESUS.

      What you (and others) believe is the following: a person becomes BORN AGAIN and SAVED and starts to follow JESUS, being a HAPPY believer in Him, looking forward and not backwards.
      And this person is filled with the Holy Spirit, WHO is JESUS in spiritual capacity.
      But then a crisis comes and this person sees no other option than to MURDER him/herself.
      So then SATAN wins from JESUS in the HEAD of this believer and Satan DEFEATS the Holy Spirit inside of the MIND and HEART of this believer.
      And then you believe that this is NO PROBLEM, because this believer was SAVED in the first place, and so he or she will enter heaven as well, DESPITE the CRIME of the MURDER on him or herself.

      This is NOT what REAL born again people believe!

      Real born again believers in JESUS LOVE Him so MUCH that they don't want to DISAPPOINT Him, and they know that they disappoint Him VERY MUCH when they don't trust upon Him and MURDER THEMSELVES!

      I don't believe you are BORN AGAIN!
      You THINK you are, but you're NOT!

      +DEE LEE SR.

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      J Wing
      2:29 AM




      +Hans S LoL then thats the atheist problem not ours. Again Peter is quite clear there that BELIEVING in Jesus who was raised from the dead is being BORN AGAIN.

      Oh I see. Everyone is screwed up except Hans, who claims to be enlightened but yet found to have several wrong doctrines (suicide being a 1 way ticket to Hell for believers). Wow you have a superiority complex it would seem.

      The Bible tells us not to assume we are better than others. Perhaps you should take that lesson to heart from God's word.
      Philippians 2:3 GNV
      That nothing be done through contention or vainglory, but that in meekness of mind every man ESTEEM OTHERS BETTER THAN HIMSELF.
      Philippians 2:3 KJV
      Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each ESTEEM OTHER BETTER THAN THEMSELVES.

      Notice both GNV and KJV tells you do the same thing. Grammatically each is correct and gives the identical meaning. So why don't you do that instead of being so high minded. Obviously BOTH translations were done off the TEXTUS RECEPTUS instead of the Vaticanus. Thats why both are very faithful to the original text and agree perfectly with each other.

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    20. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Do you know JESUS?

      Hans S
      9:23 AM




      +Ruckus Allen
      The WORST enemy I've had was a transgender with a Catholic background.
      HE is an adherent of UNIVERSALISM, which means that HE believes that eventually even Satan will be forgiven!!
      I believe that Joyce and J Wing are VERY CLOSE to this DISGUSTING fallacy and others too.
      That's why I've asked her 'Do you know JESUS?' because she SUGGESTED that I don't read my Bible.
      That's a SUGGESTION Satan would make....while she refuses to tell me her age. I'm 56, btw.
      She has already blocked me once.
      She won't get this opportunity where JESUS is.
      ONLY because I went after her, using my second account, and made amends with her, she unblocked me.
      Suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan!
      It's ALWAYS a victory for him!
      Enduring till the bitter end, because a person LOVES JESUS is a victory for JESUS!
      That's not a WORK, but LOVE and CHARACTER.
      Hans S
      9:32 AM




      +J Wing
      Someone is saved, because JESUS has SAVED someone and NOT because a SINNER recites a 'MAGIC FORMULA'.
      Paul was on his way to Damascus, as Saul, and he wasn't planning to become a saved person.
      That was JESUS's INITIATIVE.
      JESUS has saved me in the SAME FASHION!

      I was ABSOLUTELY NOT planning to become a 'Christian' but JESUS had OTHER PLANS with me.

      People who defend SUICIDE MAKE ME SICK!!

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      Steven Whitehouse
      2:52 AM




      So you say it is a sin for people to believe in Jesus for the free gift of Eternal Life? And you say that there is no such thing has eternal life. You will indeed stand before God Almighty and give account as the Bible says!
      Hans S
      3:10 AM




      +J Wing
      What 'LoL'?
      MILLIONS of people believe that JESUS was raised from the dead who are NOT born again!
      They are called Catholics and Protestants and even Evangelicals.

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    21. And it's NOT about a superiority complex, but about KNOWING JESUS.

      What you (and others) believe is the following: a person becomes BORN AGAIN and SAVED and starts to follow JESUS, being a HAPPY believer in Him, looking forward and not backwards.
      And this person is filled with the Holy Spirit, WHO is JESUS in spiritual capacity.
      But then a crisis comes and this person sees no other option than to MURDER him/herself.
      So then SATAN wins from JESUS in the HEAD of this believer and Satan DEFEATS the Holy Spirit inside of the MIND and HEART of this believer.
      And then you believe that this is NO PROBLEM, because this believer was SAVED in the first place, and so he or she will enter heaven as well, DESPITE the CRIME of the MURDER on him or herself.

      This is NOT what REAL born again people believe!

      Real born again believers in JESUS LOVE Him so MUCH that they don't want to DISAPPOINT Him, and they know that they disappoint Him VERY MUCH when they don't trust upon Him and MURDER THEMSELVES!

      I don't believe you are BORN AGAIN!
      You THINK you are, but you're NOT!

      +DEE LEE SR.
      Hans S
      3:32 AM




      +Steven Whitehouse
      Who are you talking to?
      J Wing
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      +Hans S Something tells me you don't understand what it takes to be born again nor to BELIEVE. Lets turn to the Bible shall we?
      Romans 10:9
      That if thou shalt CONFESS with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and SHALT BELIEVE IN THINE HEART that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED.

      Pretty simple there in the Bible. Look at your recipe. Quite complex and NONE of it is that verse there.

      Hans S recipe: Believe + follow Jesus + don't look back + be a happy believer + don't self kill + don't sin basically while alive.

      No I go by what the Bible says. I confess Jesus is my Lord and BELIEVE God definitely raised Him from the dead (there is proof of this in history too btw) So the Bible says I am SAVED. End of discussion for me.

      1Peter says if you BELIEVE this then you have been BORN AGAIN. You want to dispute God, Peter, & Paul? Does +Hans S know better than God, Peter, & Paul how to get people saved? Yes definitely superiority complex.
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      +Hans S I agree with you Hans.. just like if a transgender person believes in Jesus and if they die in their sin they are lost.. A true born again person turns from sin including suicide..

      but then again we all sin willingly.. its a tough situation only God knows your heart..

      Thanks for sharing..

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  27. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist The KJV is the counterfeit of the Geneva Bible and only JESUITS would react like you and +J Wing do....
    I'm well aware of the fact that I'm making contact with NAZI-America and that I'm on NSA-CIA-controlled Google+YouTube.

    Religious people don't like to hear the truth.
    But you know what Joyce, with the picture of a dog with menacing teeth?
    I'm so glad that I'm saved by JESUS and there's NOTHING that you or +J Wing can do about it.

    You are so humble that you simply refuse to tell me your age.
    And now you're also calling me 'dangerous'.....

    Luke 23:341599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    34a Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them: for they know not what they do.
    Hans S
    2:41 PM




    +Steven Whitehouse Why are you praying for me...so that I'll see it your way?
    Of course God-the Lord JESUS can save almost everybody, except the Antichrist and the False Prophet and the fallen angels, and I've told you before that in principle a person who has been saved will never perish.
    But only God-the Lord JESUS decides who have been or who will be saved and no one else.

    PS: I told you before that I'm not 'People like you'.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    12:08 PM

    +J Wing I don't think Hans is really saved, he attacks the word of God KJ Bible and he is not humble, why hasn't the Holy Spirit smashed that ego yet?

    J Wing
    12:28 PM

    He is even suggesting I purge out verses out of the KJV that he and others like him think are Jesuit additions. The problem is the KJV and the GNV which he uses are virtually identical, varying only in the language.

    IF I were to do what he askes I'd alter the KJV to the point it would not match the GNV. Not to mention Proverbs 30:8 and Rev 22:18-19 say not to with Rev cursing people for adding or subtracting from the Bible.

    I don't think any TRUE Christian would tell someone else to ALTER the word of God. Do you?

    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    12:35 PM

    +J Wing He has just enough knowledge about Christianity to be dangerous.

    Steven Whitehouse
    12:53 PM

    That confirms my statement about you Hans S, You believe that God can't save everyone. He can't forgive one. In your mind, what right does God have redeeming a person who commits suicide. With that statement of people who defend suicide makes you sick. You are sick when you say that GOD CAN'T FORGIVE EVERYONE! That His blood is not powerful to forgive and save people. What you are doing, is LIMITING GOD ALMIGHTY! putting GOD IN A BOX! Saying that God can save everyone except those who commit suicide, those who steal, those who murder lol. I'm going to ask you a question that God asked Abraham one time in the book of Genesis. Is there anything to hard for the Lord? Is His hand waxen short? And has the psalmist says in Psalms 77. As the Lord forgotten to be merciful,

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    1. Psalms 77:8-9
      8 - Is his mercy clean gone forever? doth his promise fail for evermore?
      9 Has God forgotten to be gracious? hath he in agner shut up his tender mercies? selah

      People like you don't understand the power of grace and the power of God to forgiven. Hans S, You will never believe that God can let any- one in Heaven that confesses that Jesus is Lord and believes in their heart that God has raised him from the dead. You also believe that we have to be perfect and also sinless am I correct? Let me tell you this Hans S, that no one is sinless or perfect yet. We will be when death or the Rapture happens which ever comes first. The other thing you are doing that is seriously wrong is underestimat-
      ing God's love. You think that God only came to save the righteous! I will pray 4 you. And that's all I can.You need to have a better under standing of God's Love & Forgiveness. You clearly don't understand how God can love a person who commits suicide Even when they accept Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord & Savior! Everyone that believes that those who kill themseles goes straight to hell! Even if they are Christian! The truth is God doesn't lose anybody and God will not cast out anybody that believes on Jesus and his death on that cross. They that committed suicede just went home early before their time. God will do that to anybody that steps out of line. He will chasten his children when they disobey Him according to Psalms 89:30-34; and Hebrews 12:5-8. So often people become discourage when the Lord chastens them. They should be discourage. Don't you chasten your Children when they disobey you or don't do what you ask them too?

      °°°°°°°

      Man, what fun it is to be among Once Saved, Always Saved-adherents....

      But thank God for JESUS!

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    2. +Awaken Sheeple
      My name Hans, is from Johannes (say Yohannes) and it derives from the Hebrew name Yochanan, meaning 'I AM is MERCIFUL'.

      JESUS is 'I AM' in the capacity of Savior and His name means 'I AM Salvation'.
      Yes, I will pray for you: 'Dear Father in heaven, heal +Awaken Sheeple 's back in JESUS' name, amen!'.
      Hans S
      3:20 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse
      JESUS is GOD and He never changes*, and this is what He said before He became a sinless human being who lived on earth:

      (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

      *Hebrews 13:8 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      8 Remember them which have the oversight of you, which have declared unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering what hath been the end of their conversation. Jesus Christ yesterday, and today, the same also is forever.

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      Steven Whitehouse
      2:49 PM




      You just don't have mercy on everyone like God does! That's not what your saying. You said Almost eveyone except those who commit suicide lol! You saying that God doesn't love those who commit suicide! Your short handing God's love!
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      Did Jesus come to save the entire world?
      Nope!!!
      It states quite clearly..
      Only those who will believe upon the only begotten son....
      Period... Not all... Only those who call upon Him....

      y'all go pray for each other...
      Pray for
      Me too my back hurts and I have a 24 drive.
      i need to start At 3 am tomorrow morning... I love both of you...
      Please forgive instantly and let this
      Debate pass... Books are books... Trust not in any written thing but the voice of God... His voice you can trust....
      You can't read his voice.
      You can only hear it with ears...
      Eyes can not hear nor can ears see...!!!'
      When The Lord speaks where do the words go?
      Where are they stored ?
      What is it called?
      
      Steven Whitehouse
      2:53 PM




      Awaken Sheeple, He came to save the entire world! but sadly the entire world will not accept a free gift!

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    3. +Steven Whitehouse
      JESUS is GOD and He never changes*, and this is what He said before He became a sinless human being who lived on earth
      :

      (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

      *Hebrews 13:8 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      8 Remember them which have the oversight of you, which have declared unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering what hath been the end of their conversation. Jesus Christ yesterday, and today, the same also is forever.
      Steven Whitehouse
      4:34 PM




      why are you telling me this? I already know! I'm a born again! I believe in once saved, always saved! Stop trying to change my mind ok! ALL OF MY SINS ARE PAID FOR BY JESUS! I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR MY SINS! JESUS ALREADY PAID FOR EVERY SIN THAT I'VE COMMITTED! PRESENT, PAST & FUTURE SINS! So I don't have to worry about going to hell anymore! The Just shall live by faith Habakkuk 2:4; Hebrews 10:38-39! I accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord & Savior back on Sunday, August 31st, 1986! next sunday, will be y 30th birthday (spirtually speaking), december 10th, 2016 will be my 52nd birthday! Yes I have 2 birthdays and not 1 lol. To be born once is to die twice! and to be born once is to die once and maybe not at all Since I have 2 birthdays, it means I will not have to die (that is, when the Rapture happens). My body will be changed and my soul will be changed according to 1st Corinthians 15:51-54 and then we Christians will rise up just like Jesus did and meet the Lord in the air according to 1st Thessalonians 4:15-18! I know that the Lord has written my name in that lamb's book of Life! Because of Jesus, Heaven knows my name!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      7:22 PM




      +Atheism is Madness Hans has clean lost his mind, what do we do? I asked him why he is so full of hate and always causing discord amonst the brethern and telling us to get rid of our Bible attaking the KJV like something satan would do, and like a child he posts and posts about us.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      7:25 PM




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    4. JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist6:35 AM


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      +J Wing He has just enough knowledge about Christianity to be dangerous.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      7:57 PM




      WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THAT EGO OF YOURS OFF OF STEROIDS HANS?
      Hans S
      1:07 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      The only reason why I started this thread is because you've blocked me before, and you can't block me on my own thread.
      Hans S
      1:24 AM




      +Steven Whitehouse
      I'm not trying to change your mind: believe whatever you want and I believe whatever I want.
      Hans S
      1:32 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      So you think I've lost my mind?
      Good for you, Joyce, and be happy with that, okay?

      Believe whatever you want and if you don't want to know that the KJV is the counterfeit of the Geneva Bible, than that's your choice, and this goes for +J Wing too.

      You'd better focus on the enormous EGO of God-the Lord JESUS, who once DROWNED about SIX BILLION people because He was FED UP with them.

      ONLY He has the right to determine who's going to live or die, or who is going to receive His mercy or not.

      Even if the whole world would be against me, I still would say what I believe.
      People have to murder me if they want to stop me.

      JESUS wants us to LOVE each other, and that's what I want to do.

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    5. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      This game is called Google+YouTube and NSA-CIA-controlled 'social media'
      and Satan loves to play the game of divide and conquer and when Vatican controlled YouTube started Google+, being the Google version of Vatican controlled Facebook, Satan was looking forward to see believers in JESUS annoy and destroy each other.

      Most born again and saved people come from a church background and very few people are like me.

      In fact I've never met someone like me, because there's no one with a background like me.

      Even other ex-atheists don't have a background like me.

      The only people I can relate to are ex-SATANISTS, but I've never been a Satanist, because I didn't believe in the existence of Satan.

      I've been called 'worse than Satan' and that's true because there's only one person I want to relate to and that's God-the Lord JESUS!

      He's the ONLY one who really loves me and who who really knows me, and He's my BEST FRIEND.

      ===

      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:21 AM




      +Hans S “If one man calls you an ass, pay him no mind. If two men call you an ass, go buy a saddle.”
      -Yiddish proverb

      HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BLOCKED YOU?

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    6. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Exactly and suicide perpetrators will be judged by what they BELIEVED, and it's obvious that they didn't believe that JESUS wanted to HELP them.

      Hans S
      2:26 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Quite a few people have blocked me and even someone from the OSAS-camp.
      One female has blocked me and she called me a PIG and more....and I'm talking about a fellow believer in JESUS...
      Also the female who made the video against the KJV has blocked me, and that's because she believes in a short haired JESUS and she said my long haired version is CATHOLIC.....

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      2:12 AM




      +Steven Whitehouse It is only by BELIEVING that we have SALVATION....we are all wicked sinners BEFORE we trusted in the gospel of ETERNAL LIFE and were declared RIGHTEOUS.
      Unbelievers do not TRUST in the GRACE of God for SALVATION...Unbelievers ADD to the scriptures their own opinions and rules, it is obvious what they believe and what they do not believe, it is obvious that they do not BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD.
      It is obvious that they do not believe all sin is forgiven. Therefore if they claim all sin is not forgiven, they are not believing the true gospel.
      They will be judged by what they BELIEVE...not by what they have done.

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    7. +Steven Whitehouse
      So JESUS, who happens to be God, was lying when He said the following:


      (Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible) Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal: hear now, O house of Israel. Is not my way equal? or are not your ways unequal? 26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.
      ?
      Hans S
      3:05 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "ETERNAL SECURITY IS THE SAME AS ETERNAL LIFE

      ETERNAL LIFE IS A FREE GIFT"

      Amen, but don't MURDER YOURSELF AND THROW THE GIFT BACK INTO JESUS'S FACE!

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      Steven Whitehouse
      2:48 AM




      That's because we know it's the truth! What your teaching is a lie! Once Saved, Always Saved is the Gospel! The Death, Burial & Resurrection of Jesus Christ is the Gospel! There is no other gospel to believe! Other than Salvation being a free gift, there is nothing that we can do to earn or lose it!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      2:58 AM




      It's called ETERNAL SECURITY

      e·ter·nal
      əˈtərn(ə)l/
      adjective
      lasting or existing forever; without end or beginning.
      "the secret of eternal youth"
      synonyms: everlasting, never-ending, endless, perpetual, undying, immortal, abiding, permanent, enduring, infinite, boundless, timeless; amaranthine
      "eternal happiness"
      (of truths, values, or questions) valid for all time; essentially unchanging.
      "eternal truths of art and life"
      informal
      seeming to last or persist forever, especially on account of being tedious or annoying.
      "eternal nagging demands"
      synonyms: constant, continual, continuous, perpetual, persistent, sustained, unremitting, relentless, unrelieved, uninterrupted, unbroken, never-ending, nonstop, around/round-the-clock, endless, ceaseless
      "eternal vigilance"

      se·cu·ri·ty
      səˈkyo͝orədē/
      noun
      1.
      the state of being free from danger or threat.

      ETERNAL SECURITY IS THE SAME AS ETERNAL LIFE

      ETERNAL LIFE IS A FREE GIFT

      Anything else is not the gospel, false gospels make false converts.

      JESUS IS LIFE, JESUS IS ETERTNAL, JESUS is ETERNAL LIFE.
      He is not believing in the ETERNAL SAVIOUR.

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    8. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      2 Peter 2:20-22 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      20 For if they, after they have escaped from the filthiness of the world, through the acknowledging of the Lord, and of the Savior Jesus Christ, are yet tangled again therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
      21 For it had been better for them not to have acknowledged the way of righteousness, than after they have acknowledged it, to turn from the holy commandment given unto them.
      22 But it is come unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is returned to his own vomit: and the sow that was washed, to the wallowing in the mire.

      James 1:22-25 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      22 And be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
      23 For if any hear the word, and do it not, he is like unto a man, that beholdeth his natural face in a glass.
      24 For when he hath considered himself, he goeth his way, and forgetteth immediately what manner of one he was.
      25 But who so looketh in the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he not being a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, shall be blessed in his deed.

      Suicide is not some decease but giving in to Satan's LIES!

      Revelation 20:11 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      11 And I saw a great white throne, and one that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found.

      The saved believers in JESUS will NOT appear before the great white throne, but before the judgement seat of Christ.

      2 Corinthians 5:10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every man may receive the things which are done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or evil.

      Ezekiel 18:23-28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      Have I any desire that the wicked should die, saith the Lord God? or shall he not live, if he return from his ways? 24 But if the righteous turn away from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and do according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? all his righteousness that he hath done, shall not be mentioned: but in his transgression that he hath committed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

      26 For when a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commiteth iniquity, he shall even die for the same, he shall even die for his iniquity that he hath done. 27 Again, when the wicked turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, and shall not die.

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    9. See how MUCH emphasis JESUS=GOD! puts on WORKS and REPENTANCE and especially on (first) LOVE, and He's addressing the Body of Christ:

      Revelation 2 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      Church(es) = assembly/assemblies: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2&version=WEB

      1 Unto the Angel of the Church of Ephesus write, These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, and walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks.

      2 I know thy works, and thy labor, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear with them which are evil, and hast examined them which say they are Apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.

      3 And thou wast burdened, and hast patience, and for my Name’s sake hast labored, and hast not fainted.

      4 Nevertheless, I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

      5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent and do the first works: or else I will come against thee shortly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou amend.

      6 But this thou hast that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

      7 Let him that hath an ear hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches: To him that overcometh, will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.

      8 And unto the Angel of the Church of the Smyrnians write, These things saith he that is first and last, which was dead and is alive.

      9 I know thy works and tribulation, and poverty (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them, which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the Synagogue of Satan.

      10 Fear none of those things, which thou shalt suffer: behold, it shall come to pass, that the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto the death, and I will give thee the crown of life.

      11 Let him that hath an ear hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches. He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

      12 And to the Angel of the Church, which is at Pergamos write, Thus saith he which hath that sharp sword with two edges.

      13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s throne is, and thou keepest my Name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days when Antipas my faithful martyr was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

      14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that maintain the doctrine of Balaam, which taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the children of Israel, that they should eat of things sacrificed unto idols, and commit fornication.

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    10. 15 Even so hast thou them that maintain the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.

      16 Repent thyself, or else I will come unto thee shortly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

      17 Let him that hath an ear, hear what the spirit saith unto the Churches. To him that overcometh, will I give to eat of the Manna that is hid, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth, saving he that receiveth it.

      18 And unto the Angel of the Church which is at Thyatira write, These things saith the Son of God, which hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet like fine brass.

      19 I know thy works and thy love, and service and faith, and thy patience, and thy works, and that they are more at the last, than at the first.

      20 Notwithstanding, I have a few things against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to deceive my servants, to make them commit fornication and to eat meat sacrificed unto idols.

      21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication, and she repented not.

      22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit fornication with her, into great affliction, except they repent them of their works.

      23 And I will kill her children with death, and all the Churches shall know that I am he which search the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according unto your works.

      24 And unto you I say, the rest of them of Thyatira, As many as have not this learning, neither have known the deepness of Satan (as they speak) I will put upon you none other burden,

      25 But that which ye have already, hold fast till I come.

      26 For he that overcometh and keepeth my words unto the end, to him will I give power over nations.

      27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and as the vessels of a potter, shall they be broken:

      28 Even as I received of my Father, so will I give him the morning Star.

      29 Let him that hath an ear, hear what the Spirit saith to the Churches.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      3:57 AM




      +Hans S Amen, but don't MURDER YOURSELF AND THROW THE GIFT BACK INTO JESUS'S FACE!

      IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THIS ANY FURTHER, YOU MUST GIVE ME SCRIPTURE NOT YOUR OWN EGOTISTICAL OPINIONS...SO GIVE ME THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS SOMEONE CAN "THROW THE GIFT BACK INTO JESUS'S FACE!"

      NO SCRIPTURE? CASE CLOSED.

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    11. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      I knew you would come up with something like this.


      Suicide perpetrators and its supporters HATE REPENTANCE!
      One cannot repent after one has MURDERED oneself.

      That's NOT NEEDED, say the once saved, always saved CRIMINALS!

      CHRISTIAN SATANISTS!!

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      5:46 AM




      Suicide is not some decease but giving in to Satan's LIES!
      So is lying
      So is cheating
      So is stealing
      So is murdering
      So is raping
      So is lusting
      So is coveting
      So is fornicating
      So is (name any sin here).

      What is your point?

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    12. +J Wing
      Man, you're such a disgusting LIAR!
      apostasia means DEPARTING or DEPARTURE.


      The departure (apostasia)
      The word apostasia in verse 3, translated in the King James Version as “falling away,” is problematical to many people. In terms of this rendering it is assumed that Christians will not only experience the great falling away of the last days but will also be here during the revelation of the Antichrist. A careful exposition of the verse shows that these assumptions are unfounded.
      The Greek word apostasia means departure, withdrawal or separation. A spiritual and moral falling away can be read into this word only as a secondary meaning, deduced from its basic reference to the departure of the truth. Apostasia is derived from the particle apo which means off or away [from something near], in various senses of place, time or relation. It denotes separation, departure, or the cessation [of a relationship]. The verb correlate of apostasia is aphistemi which, according to Strong’s Concordance, means to depart, withdraw, draw (fall) away, remove.
      Even in cases where aphistemi is used to denote a spiritual falling away (e.g. Lk. 8:13, 1 Tim. 4:1 and Heb. 3:12) it is grammatically more correct to describe the act as a departing from faith (as in the latter two verses) rather than a falling away (as in Lk. 8:13). The following are examples of the rendering of aphistemi in the King James Version:
      “…[she] departed not from the temple” (Lk. 2:37); “…he departed from Him for a season” (Lk. 4:13); “…and in time of temptation fall away” (Lk. 8:13); “Depart from Me” (Lk. 13:37); “…the angel departed from him” (Acts 12:10); “…who departed from them” (Acts 15:38); “…he departed from them” (Acts 19:9); “…they departed from him” (Acts 22:19); “…that it might depart from me” (2 Cor. 12:8); “…depart from the faith” (1 Tim. 4:1); “…from such withdraw thyself” (1 Tim. 6:5); “…depart from iniquity” (2 Tim. 2:19); “…departing from the living God” (Heb. 3:12).
      In view of these examples it is clear that the basic meaning of the word apostasia and its verb form of aphistemi is to depart. For this reason, the word apostasia in 2 Thes. 2:3 was translated as departing first in the following seven English Bibles before the King James Version: Wycliffe Bible (1384), Tyndale Bible (1526), Coverdale Bible (1535), Cranmer Bible (1539), Breeches Bible (1576), Beza Bible (1583), and the Geneva Bible (1608).
      The Vulgate uses the Latin word discessio, meaning departure. In a footnote to 2 Thes. 2:3 the Amplified Bible makes the following remark: “A possible rendering of apostasia is departure [of the church].” In its full meaning, this verse reads:
      “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [the day of the Lord] shall not come, except there come a departing [of the church] first, and that man of sin [the Antichrist
      http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Departure.htm

      I'm fed up with a PHARISEE like you and PHARISEES like you.

      I DON'T NEED YOU: I need JESUS......GOT THAT?

      Get rid of your INSANE GOD-COMPLEX or face the consequences, SUICIDE PROMOTER!
      Hans S
      5:43 PM




      ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED SCUMBAGS!
      Hans S
      5:58 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      You're a CHRISTIAN WITCH!
      Show your true colors AGAIN and BLOCK ME!
      You ego is so BIG that there's NO ROOM for REASON in your head!

      SUICIDE PROMOTER!
      Hans S
      5:59 PM




      MASONIC KJV WORSHIPERS!

      CHURCH RATS!
      Hans S
      6:03 PM




      CHRISTIAN (SELF) MURDERERS!
      Hans S
      6:07 PM




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    13. +Steven Whitehouse
      I don't need your HYPOCRITICAL ASSESSMENT of my state of mind....SUICIDE PROMOTER!

      And I don't need your brand of 'Christianity': I need JESUS!
      Hans S
      6:13 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +J Wing +Steven Whitehouse
      YOU don't know JESUS!

      Your 'jesus' is a CHURCH RAT who reads the MASONIC KJV and who always tells people that the POPE is NOT the ANTICHRIST!

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      Steven Whitehouse
      11:29 AM




      You can't possibly belief in Eternal Life Hans S, if you believe when you commit suicide that you have lost your salvation! And condemn us for saying that God loves those also who commit suicide. Salvation is made to everyone, but sadly not everyone will accept a free gift. It seems to me that you don't really believe that salvation can be that free lol. Your saying in your mind; How can God forgive a person that commits suicide? How can God give such a person the free gift of Eternal Life or Security. Btw, Some people call it Eternal Life, Security or even OSAS! meaning Once Saved, Always! That is once you become a child of the king, you will always & forever be saved. There is nothing that we can do to become unsaved (that is to lose our salvation) and there is nothing that we can do to earn salvation or keep salvation! Has I said to you before. Why fix something that isn't broken?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:07 PM




      +Hans S
      """""Suicide perpetrators and its supporters HATE REPENTANCE!
      One cannot repent after one has MURDERED oneself.

      That's NOT NEEDED, say the once saved, always saved CRIMINALS!

      CHRISTIAN SATANISTS!!"""""

      So we are name calling now? OSAS criminals?

      What kind of unsaved reprobate sinless perfectionist moron calls people Christian satanists? Certainly no born again Christian would do that.

      So now people who believe that God saved them once and for all, they are all criminals (in Hans ego) he imagines people can not only lose a free gift, fling it back in Christ's face and on top of that they hate repentance (which means they hate changing their mind).

      You really are a sick lonely egotistical old man who loves to talk about themself and force your opinion on people and cause a lot of discord with people, and I think you need to repent because you lost your salvation before you got it already by not believing it in the first place.

      btw.....none of your un-scriptural opinions will ever be taken seriously by true solid believers, it is all in the huge imagination of ex-atheist Hans.
      And what kind of special stupid do you have to be to think all of creation popped into being out of nothing?

      If you subvert a new believer from the truth of God you will be held accountable to God the Father.

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    14. Steven Whitehouse
      12:15 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Hans S, is what I would call a wolve in sheeps clothing. Pretending to be a Christian. Yet, attacking those who believe in OSAS. And those who believe that everyone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Lord & Savior, including those who committed suicide are saved forever! People like Hans S, can't believe that God can forgive what I call major sins lol. That God's grace isn't sufficient enough to save everyone. He even mocks me for this as well! Those that do not believe in Eternal Life will always mock those that do!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:23 PM
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      +Steven Whitehouse Don't you see how idiotic he is? What kind of moron says only someone who suicides MUST repent but can't and everyone else who can still keep repenting doesn't need to because they have eternal security.
      What kind of huge sized ego can't see how moronically illogical that kind of thinking is?
      He is intentionally grasping at straws because he is desperate for attention.
      That is all it is.
      He must be very miserable with himself to stoop to calling Christians ..."Christian satanists" that is not a saved person, I don't care what you say. He's a fake.
      Sorry I don't believe him anymore.
      Steven Whitehouse
      2:07 PM




      Same here, +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist , I will question his Christianty from here on out. If he is calling other Christians names. Then that shows his true colors. And if he is a Christian he must be very carnal. Yet carnal Christians will be going in the Rapture. we will see who goes to Heaven and who doesn't when the Rapture Happens Joyce. God knows who is his and who ins't and will act accordingly!
      J Wing
      4:43 PM
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +Steven Whitehouse Now I understand why he thinks everything is a Vatican conspiracy even tho clear Christian things such as Protestant Churches coming out of the Vatican CLEARLY are not. If it doesn't fit a Vatican conspiracy, he calls it a Jesuit conspiracy. This was he can excuse himself from reading any Bible that proves himself wrong. I regretably have had to place him under "QUESTIONABLE" as opposed to "Christian" I had earlier. He is as Christian as a 7th day Adventist who attack Catholicism because they think Sunday is the mark of the beast.

      I honestly think he's not only questionable but being unknowingly used by Satan to try to divide up Bible believers and create complete confusion. Satan knows the Bible better than we do, but He rejects all of it esp anything that can point us to salvation by BELIEVING IN JESUS alone (no works and no repentance).

      +Hans S insists that the KJV is a Satanic corruption of the GNV, that he uses. Yet when compared the KJV and GNV are identical in message and only differ in the use of OLD ENGLISH. Word for word it checks out with extremely rare cases like the 2Thes 2:3 saying "falling away" instead of "departing".

      The Greek word is ἀποστασία apostasia = a falling away, defection, apostasy
      https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2th/2/3/t_conc_1118003

      As we can see there is no indication why the GNV used departing but in the light of apostasy it makes sense. So the original greek would seem to point rather to the GNV being the incorrect translation. Whoops

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    15. +J Wing
      So now you're rolling on the floor laughing, like a crazy monkey?

      Fortunately there are millions of true lovers of JESUS who don't want to commit suicide and who don't condone this act of UNBELIEF and REBELLION.

      Yeah, call me a Jesuit, or the devil himself...it says a lot about yourself.

      I've never changed my mind on suicide, perpetrated by so called believers in JESUS Christ.

      I said that IN PRINCIPLE a SAVED person will not be lost after having committed suicide.

      The question is whether a suicide perpetrator was really saved in the first place.

      The only one who is entitled to judge on this is God-the Lord JESUS and NO ONE ELSE!

      But once saved, always saved adherents love to sit on God's throne.

      They're also a bunch of HYPOCRITES, because they're allowed to say and do anything they like, but when someone else disagrees with them this person is on his way to hell....

      A typical case of people with a GOD-COMPLEX.
      Hans S
      4:02 AM




      +Steven Whitehouse
      Are you justifying your own potential suicide?
      Hans S
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "an egotistical dishonest pushy control freak"

      Good description of yourself......

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      +Hans S ROFL Our brand of Christianity that perfectly lines up with God's Holy word? Funny how you are reduced to anger and cursing now.

      You definitely have split personality.
      o 1 day ago you agreed that it was not the suicide that damned someone to Hell but rather their REJECTION of Jesus as Savior before death.
      o Now you did a 180 and went right back to saying suicide damns someone to Hell.

      So which is it, Jesuit GNV worshipper?

      PS: we say the Pope is but one antichrist. Who knows if he is THE MAN OF SIN (aka captalized AntiChrist) Tell us when you wake up on the right side of bed and can take on a decent conversation in your right mind. We want the Christian +Hans S . Thanks

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    16. Steven Whitehouse
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      My brand of Christianty is ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS! To preach any other Gospel other then Eternal Life Or Security. Let him or her be accused Galatians 1:6-9. The reason why your Christianty is being question. Is the way you are treating us true believers! And you say that God forsakes those who commit suicide when the bible says differently! I wonder who is doing the twisting of God's words now? JESUS does not LOSE ANYBODY when they accept Him has their Personal Lord & Savior! We are a child of the king forever! THERE IS NO SIN THAT CAN SEPARATE US FROM GOD'S LOVE Romans 8:31-39! Your God is the of Hate!, not love because. You would excuse my language damn someone to hell for committing 1 sin, 1 mistake and fail just one time! God's grace is unconditional! no strings attached! But you say, Oh, you can have salvation if you stop doing, this or that and don't kill lol. YOU DON'T BELIEVE That God aka Jesus Christ can just give eternal life to anyone he pleases do you Hans S? You believe that God is a respector of persons? He chosen some people to go to heaven and the rest can forget about going to Heaven? Then what was the purpose of Jesus dieing on the cross 2,016 yrs for? He died on that cross for everyone! Not just the self righteous people! He died to pay for the sins of everyone in the entire world! For God so love the WORLD that he gave his only begotten SON that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should NOT PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE If those people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Perosnal Lord & Savior, (those that committed suicide) as present tennse (eternal life); those that have rejected Jesus Christ(those who committed suicide) shall not see life! There are only 3 types of people in the world Hans S. The Natural Man, The Carnal Man and the Spiritual Man. Both the carnal man and spiritual have 3 things in common. They are both saved, they are forgiven and they are redeemed! All of their sin (including suicide) is covered by Jesus Christ, (they get to go to Heaven when they die) because they placed their trust in Jesus Christ not their works. And accepted the free gift of eternal life. The Natural, will not see life, nor experience it! They are to be forever separated from God for all eternity in a place call hell Romans 6:23! Just because you live like the world does. Doesn't mean that you have lost your salvation. It just means that you have wondered away or gone astray or backslidden. Jesus will never lose, nor condemn us, nor forsake, nor cast us out! Those are promises you can bank on!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Steven Whitehouse Well said.

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    17. JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 8:51 PM




      +J Wing It's more illogical reasoning, the rapture is the departure before the antichrist is REVEALED EXPOSED KNOWN, etc., yet he is dead set that he knows WHO the antichrist is, it's the pope, it always was the pope in every century...I can't figure out if he is a futurist or a historicist....which is it? Do we know who the antichrist is before the rapture? or is the rapture going to happen and then the world finds out who the antichrist is....it's a vatican conspiracy, the KJV hides the rapture it's masonic, (well they did a very poor job of hiding it by translating one word in one place different from the GNV) and the Jesuits are also accused of completely making up the rapture...do you see all the foolish confusion going on here? We can't say we know for sure how God will play it all out, but an egotistical dishonest pushy control freak will try to force their opinion down your throat and O boy you're a witch if you don't believe it!
      Christians at least have enough Holy Spirit to know name calling is wrong!
      Christians are all born of God, no born of God Christian calls their brothers and sisters satanic, or witch or flat out LIES by saying they are promoting something that they are not.
      I knew there something wrong with him but I just couldn't figure it out, why would he always says stupid stuff. Absurd stuff and just go off on people (that was why I blocked him) he just attacked this person who made a comment on one of my posts by calling them a satanic witch who is going to burn in hell or something.
      Wow, that explains it all now. And I don't need to hang around someone who disagrees with "my Biblical brand of scriptural Christianity" thank you brothers +Steven Whitehouse and +J Wing 

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    18. +J Wing Suicide Promoted By Once Saved Always Saved http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicidebk.htm
      Hans S
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      +Steven Whitehouse We don't have a disagreement about the gospel of grace and being forever saved, THANKS TO God-the Lord JESUS!, and we don't disagree on the rapture, though you base your expectation on the wrong translation of the Greek word 'apostasia', which is translated in the KJV into 'a falling away' and in the Geneva Bible into the correct word 'departing', and the World English Bible also uses the similar correct word 'departure', beautifully pointing to the RAPTURE in 2 Thessalonians 2:3.
      But we do disagree on the DANGER of losing one's salvation, for instance through the act of self murder, aka suicide: Suicide Promoted By Once Saved Always Saved http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicidebk.htm

      Of course we agree that the WORST SINNER can be saved, but why can't we agree that a saved sinner can TOO FAR by falling away from the FIRST LOVE for JESUS and by thinking and doing the same bad things, or worse, as before such a person was saved?

      Or did JESUS say these kinds of things IN VAIN:
      Revelation 2:4-5 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      4 Nevertheless, I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy FIRST LOVE.
      5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT and DO THE FIRST WORKS: or else I will come against thee shortly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou amend.
      ?

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      J Wing
      4:38 PM




      +Hans S It would appear you old in age and hard of hearing and seeing cuz you can't read. We don't need to justify potential suicide because it doesn't determine if you go to Hell or not. The Bible says God saves those who BELIEVE, even in your own GNV Bible.
      1 Corinthians 1:21 (GNV)
      For seeing the world by wisdom knew not God in the wisdom of GOD, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE:

      Have you BELIEVED on Jesus and become saved or is your idea of salvation contrary to even your own GNV Bible, by saying just don't suicide? Why are you fighting even your own GNV Bible?
      Steven Whitehouse
      7:15 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist & +J Wing I strongly believe that the Rapture occures after the falling away and before the tribulation. And then that man of sin will be revealed as detailed in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; I believe the Rapture occures when they are SAYING PEACE & SAFETY in 1st Thessalonians 5:3. The reason why they are saying that phrase peace & safety Is because the EU not the USA that signs a 7-yr peace treaty with Israel. I strongly believe that Pope Francis is the Anti-Christ. because he has been acting more like as of late. I've also noticed that we true born again believers who believe in The Rapture, Once Saved, Always Saved and trinity are under major attack from Satan & his followers and also Christians who don't believe in the pre-trib Rapture theory and OSAS or the trinity! They mock us, ridicule us and call us all kinds of nasty names just like what Hans S is doing to us. And that cast us off as evil. Because we know the truth. And truth has no place in people like Hans S who believe that people who commit suicede goes straight to hell. They just don't understand, How a God of love can save these types of people who commit murder, steal etc. Little does Hans S realize that Matthew was a tax-collector, he accepted Jesus Christ and became a Disciple. Judas was a thief, and Jesus told him come and follow, (though later he betrayed him). all other other 10 disciples had different life styles! Yet, Jesus accepted all into his ministry. Mary Mag. had 7 demons inside before she decided to follow Jesus Christ. Lazuras was a poor guy and Jesus accepted him and became his friend as well! as I would say 2 for the price of 1 lol. The woman at well had 5 husbands and Jesus offered salvation to her as well. The woman who was caught in the act of adultery was given salvation for free! Hans S, you can come from all walks of life and place your trust in Jesus Christ as your Personal Lord & Savior! once you do, there is NOTHING here on earth that can send you to hell! NOTHING! not even the unparbonable sin, willfully sinning, committing suicide! all these sins are covered by Jesus Christ! THIS IS WHAT HE CAME TO DO! CAME TO FORGIVE SINS NOT COMDEMN!

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    20. +J Wing
      This is just your OPINION based on YOUR interpretation of the word of God.


      We simply do NOT agree on this as we also do NOT agree on the issue of the Geneva Bible vs the KJV and which one is better.

      We do agree on the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.

      CASE CLOSED!

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      J Wing
      7:23 PM




      I concur. The Bible is clearly PRE-Tribulation and time of Jacob's Trouble (aka 7 yrs Tribulations) includ the seals, trumpets, & bowls.
      J Wing
      7:36 PM




      +Hans S Oh I see all you trust is Man's OPINIONS about suicide. How foolish you are. I trust the Bible alone as it is the Word of God. Suicide is being promoted but avoided because we show that God's value of the depressed person is UNCHANGED no matter what sin they commit.

      Your suicide opinions are trying to say God is FICKLE like a man, in that if you suicide God rejects you, after having already saved you before when you BELIEVED ON Jesus.

      Sorry the Bible says God doesn't change his mind. So once Saved you are ALWAYS saved. Otherwise God is a liar. Is God a liar?
      Malachi 3:6 (GNV)
      For I am the Lord: I CHANGE NOT, and ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
      Romans 11:29 (GNV)
      For THE GIFTS and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.
      Ephesians 2:8-9 (GNV)
      8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourselves: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD,
      9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast himself.

      Even the GNV says salvation is the gift of God and IS NEVER TAKEN BACK. Read it and weep.

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    21. +J Wing
      I said CASE CLOSED!
      You can call me a Catholic, a Jesuit, a Satanist, a child rapist, a mass murderer, the devil himself, or being worse than the devil: we DO NOT agree.

      And I really don't care what you think about me, because you didn't create me, and you don't love me and you didn't die for me on the cross.

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      J Wing
      8:13 PM




      +Hans S Its not an interpretation ITS A QUOTATION of the GNV word for word. Your own GNV Bible says you are wrong about suicide damning every Christians to Hell. The GNV Bible states clearly the GIFT of salvation is given WITHOUT REPENTANCE.

      Wow you are even at odds with your own adopted Bible and notice it clearly says we are saved by FAITH and not by WORKS.

      Suicide is a work so it doesn't save you. Case closed!

      You talk like a Catholic who say its an interpretation when I am clearly QUOTING scripture. Shame on you. Hmm maybe you are a Jesuit trying to infiltrate Protestant circles and introduce confusion.

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  28. Committing suicide isn't just a mistake or a sin like fornication
    : it's choosing not to believe that JESUS is able to help plus that it's the sin of murdering someone, and it's also making others very sad or even angry.
    I keep saying that suicide is always in the interest of Satan.
    Hans S
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    Why do some people feel the need to condone suicide?
    Is it to justify their own potential suicide?

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    1. +J Wing
      No verse in the BIBLE talks directly about the rapture either.
      Suicide perpetrators do NOT BELIEVE that JESUS can HELP them.

      A small child is able to understand this.

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      J Wing
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      No verse in the GNV says that suicide is in the interest of Satan. Again we aren't justify suicide but saying the deciding factor of going to Hell is not because of suicide. The deciding factor that sends someone to Hell is NOT BELIEVING in Jesus.

      Jesus said it in Mark 16:16. Stop removing people's attention from BELIEVING on Jesus to be saved from Hell, trying to pin it upon suicide which has nothing to do with whether someone goes to Hell or not.

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    2. +Steven Whitehouse I know about the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture from the start of my surrender to JESUS, more than 32 years ago, and back then it was known as the 'pre-tribulation-rapture', and many still call it that way.
      I use the term 'pre-Jacobs Trouble-rapture', because the coming great tribulation, after the rapture, will be in the first place about Israel=Jacob.

      I'm looking forward to be where JESUS is without having to die, but I'm also prepared to die for the sake of JESUS.

      I don't agree with this: "Nevertheless, even if you don't like the Rapture, and you are a born again Christian you are going to Heaven rather you like it or not!".

      JESUS isn't going to force people who are against the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture (and I've encountered quite a few of such people) to be with Him when the rapture takes place.
      That's going against our God-given free will.

      Returning to the original subject: I found this article on the internet concerning suicide and once saved, always saved: Suicide Promoted By Once Saved Always Saved http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicidebk.htm

      This is very serious and this article is confirming my convictions.

      Something else: your OSAS companions seem to think they are God almighty, because they seem to be able to determine whether I'm saved or not:
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      J Wing
      Aug 21, 2016

      +Hans S Then I have to question whether you've been saved God's way. God's way is clearly outlined for ALL to understand in the Bible. Jesus doesn't save anyone against their will. Everyone has a choice to make on whether to ACCEPT or REJECT Jesus. The Bible's formula:
      Mark 16:16 GNV
      16 He that SHALL BELIEVE and be baptized, SHALL BE SAVED: but he that WILL NOT BELIEVE, shall be damned.

      While God might use a vision to get someone's attention like he did with Paul on the road to Damascus, God always points people back to the Bible and Paul needed to decide to ACCEPT Jesus as Savior to be saved.

      You apparently still haven't made that decision to ACCEPT Jesus like the Bible says. You still are trusting in the experience. The Bible clearly says that to be BORN AGAIN is to make that DECISION to ACCEPT/TRUST Jesus. The simple fact that you still think it has to do with suicide means you don't understand the simple gospel that can even save a child if they will but BELIEVE on Jesus.
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      Jon Wing was a child himself (8 years old) when JESUS saved me.

      And Joyce even ADDS conditions to (my) salvation:

      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Aug 21, 2016

      +J Wing I don't think Hans is really saved, he attacks the word of God KJ Bible and he is not humble, why hasn't the Holy Spirit smashed that ego yet?
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      According to her I can't be saved because of my OPINION on the KJV in relation to the older (and better) Geneva Bible, and according to her I'm not HUMBLE.

      So Joyce seems to think she is GOD who determines whether I'm HUMBLE or not.

      Joyce refuses to disclose her age, and yet she seems to have a special privilege to attack my AGE and my overall state as a born again follower and worshiper of the Lord JESUS, and she also says I need to REPENT, while she believes that REPENTANCE is not needed to be saved:

      "You really are a sick lonely egotistical old man who loves to talk about yourself and force your opinion on people and cause a lot of discord with people, and I think you need to repent because you lost your salvation before you got it already by not believing it in the first place." https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/25EjUswdVzC

      I'm 56 years old, and according to Joyce I'm an 'old man'.

      I wonder what she thinks about people who are older than me....

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    3. Steven Whitehouse
      1:21 PM




      +Hans S Nor does the bible talks about Grandmother(KJV) that is, nowhere does the bible talk about demons(KJV) that is, no where does the bible mentioned the word bible (any version), no where does the bible mention trinity, (any version). But there are bibles, there grandmothers, there are demons and there is a trinity. Just because the word Rapture is not in the bible. Doesn't mean that there won't be a Rapture! The word Rapture means "Caught-Up" in 1st Thessalonians 4:15-17; and if you translate to latin, it is Rapier! it can also mean Harpzoo! If you don't like the word Rapture that call it that happy hop from here to heaven! Nevertheless, even if you don't like the Rapture, and you are a born again Christian you are going to Heaven rather you like it or not! If you have truly accepted Jesus Christ as your Personal Lord & Savior! You will be taken! As will all God's children be taken even those who commit suicide! Even those who are in prision will be taken. (talk about a jailbreak lol, that'll be the best one yet) when literally 1,000 prisoners who gave their lives to Jesus vanish without a trace lol. and literally millions of people will vanish without a trace into Heaven just like Jesus Christ! Though you can't find the word Rapture in the bible. You can find examples of the Rapture; of where people were taken from this world or certain places where Judgement was to fall. the scene in Genesis chapter 5 I believe where Enoch was translated that he should not see death This is also mention in the book of Hebrews chapter 11; & Jude. Lot was a type of the Rapture because he was removed from Sodom & Gomorrah before the fire judgement. Elijah was a type of the Rapture because he was taken up by a whirlwind Elisha being a witness. In the new testament our Lord Jesus was a type of the Rapture because he said as you seen me go, I shall return like wise. Paul is a type of the Rapture because though he was (presumed dead) He said that he was "caught-up" to the third heaven! later Peter though he was not taken to heaven, he was transported by the Holy Spirit to another location, after he preached Christ to the Eunich there. Then at the Rapture, literally millions of people as I mentioned earlier will vanish and never experience death! when The Rapture happens! THAT IS THE NEXT GREAT EVENT ON GOD'S PROPHETIC TIME CALENDAR! While the Rapture is happening the next great event that will happen is the greatest and grandest reunion of all time to take place will take place in Heaven. We will literally meet every soul that has died from the time of Christ to the Rapture in Heaven! Oh, what a time that will be when we all see Jesus! What a day of rejoicing that'll be; when we all get to
      heaven without dieing! Because our bodies will be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye 1st Corinthians 15:51-54! is what the Rapture will look like when we are being changed, then we rise up into the air just like Jesus did when he ascended into Heaven!

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    4. +Steven Whitehouse
      I've never said that God-the Lord JESUS isn't allowed to save suicide perpetrators who were known to be believers in Him.

      You believe that God-the Lord JESUS will ALWAYS save a believer in JESUS who have committed suicide and I say that there are only a few cases of suicide, committed by persons who were saved, which will be pardoned, and in those cases the suicide is more like an accident than like a premeditated murder.

      For example: a depressed saved believer in JESUS is standing on the edge of a cliff and he's contemplating to kill himself, but he's hesitating.
      Then he slips and he falls and he ACCIDENTALLY kills himself, and during the 1 or 2 seconds before his death he cries out to JESUS: 'JESUS, FORGIVE ME!'.
      I believe such a person is saved.

      But a person who has fallen away from faith in JESUS and the love for Him and who's deliberately killing himself, is not saved, even though such a person was once saved.
      In this case 'once saved, always saved' is a lie.
      Hans S
      9:24 PM




      +J Wing
      Ask a normal small child what it thinks about killing oneself and it will look at you as if you've become insane.
      No normal child will contemplate suicide.
      Suicide is always in the interest of the devil.
      Read my previous comment and see that there are rare cases of suicide that can be forgiven.

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      J Wing
      4:13 PM




      +Hans S There are verses that speak directly to a catch away of the Believers. Rev4:1-2 says we will be CALLED up and even gives the very command for ascension. 1Thes4:16-18 speaks of a snatching away of believers. So YES the Bible speaks of a RAPTURE very clearly.

      However there are NO VERSES that says what you think about suicide. It doesn't NEVER SAYS SUICIDE IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE DEVIL. That is your opinion that you somehow assumed wrongly was in the Bible.

      Again I'm not unreasonable. If you believe that statement is in the Bible, then QUOTE it for all to see. Otherwise you have no point and are preaching unBiblical doctrine.

      The KJV is phrase for phrase identical to the GNV. So if you think the KJV is demonic or masonic or vatican created, So would the GNV for they are both identical.

      Ironically the GNV Bible agrees that BELIEVING is all that is needed to be saved.
      1 Corinthians 1:21 (GNV)
      For seeing the world by wisdom knew not God in the wisdom of GOD, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching TO SAVE THEM THAT BELIEVE:

      So you are preaching against your own GNV Bible by saying you need repentance in addition to be saved. The GNV Bible says NO SUCH THING!!

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    5. Steven Whitehouse
      4:38 PM




      There you go; your saying that God is not allowed to save those who commit suicide! You are saying that God is not allowed to save those who commit murder! You are saying that we are promoting people to sin. Because we say that Jesus has already forgiven! Again, is the Lord's hand waxen short Hans? Is not able to save (EVERYONE)? Afterall, isn't that what he came to do is to save sinners? Your saying that you believe in Eternal Life, but also say what right does God have to save those who commit suicide! Your saying that God saves certain groups of people not everyone lol! What you are doing is wrong; putting God in a box! You are question God's plan of salvation for everyone! You say that Jesus didn't come to save the entire world only a select few you say lol! You will be shocked & surprised Hans S on who goes to heaven and who doesn't when the Rapture takes place of which you mock and ridicule us for believing it! My Question to you Hans S, is this. If you had a "best friend" that was cross a busy street at a stop light and you see a bus coming and it was about to hit. My Question to you would you rescue him before the bus hits him or her, you would you wait until after the bus hits him/her? If you weren't a cruel person. You push him out of the way right? This is the same with God's for his people. He will remove then before the tribulation. So that we can get our rewards. The reason why you say that there is no Rapture. Is because you and those who believe don't want to be judge by Jesus Christ! Well, Guess what my friend; if you don't want to be judged by Jesus Christ. You will be judged by God. And that is not for salvation! The Great White Throne Judgement is for how much punishment you will recieve! The Judgement Seat Of Christ is not for salvation as many think it is. It is to see how much rewards you'll receive according to 1st Corinthians 3:11-15! The reason why I think about the rewards & heaven. Is because we are told to think on things above and not below. If you lay your treasure here on earth, they could be stolen, get rotten and rust. but in Heaven they won't. Life in this life is short, but Heaven is forever!

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    6. J Wing
      10:09 PM

      +Hans S So now you depend upon children's opinions over the GNV Bible's.
      Wow how far you have fallen. No verse means you are MAKING STUFF UP. Your comment goes AGAINST even the GNV Bible. So you elevate your own comments over the Bible. nice...

      Suicide is temporal destruction of our mortal body. Satan can't touch us because we are safe in the hands of Jesus for all eternity. Suicide doesn't determine where you go after death PERIOD.

      The only thing that determines if you go to Hell/Heaven is if you ACCEPT or REJECT Jesus as Savior. If you ACCEPT Jesus then ALL your SINS are forgiven including self murder.

      CASE CLOSED!!

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      +J Wing
      Matthew 18:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      3 And said, Verily I say unto you, except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
      J Wing originally shared: https://plus.google.com/u/0/104728519909922464571/posts/fPJAMnTo2RV

      Myths of Suicide

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    7. +J Wing
      But don't deliberately commit suicide....

      Your OSAS-suicide CULT is DANGEROUS!
      Suicide Promoted By Once Saved Always Saved
      http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/suicidebk.htm

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      J Wing
      10:36 PM




      Now you are depending on children's opinions. How far you have fallen from the WORD OF GOD. You can't explain Jesus saying He forgives ALL SINS, even in the GNV Bible.
      Mark 3:28 (GNV)
      Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto THE CHILDREN OF MEN, and blasphemies, wherewith they blaspheme:

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    8. +Steven Whitehouse
      You can read it here online:
      https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1&version=GNV

      And you can buy it here: http://www.genevabible.com/

      Here you can download it for FREE (PDF): http://www.apuritansmind.com/free-geneva-bible-downloads-and-other-bibles/
      Hans S
      11:01 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse
      I'm not mixed up and confused about God's grace, because God is my Father and JESUS is my best friend and my best teacher.

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      J Wing
      10:09 PM




      +Hans S So now you depend upon children's opinions over the GNV Bible's. Wow how far you have fallen. No verse means you are MAKING STUFF UP. Your comment goes AGAINST even the GNV Bible. So you elevate your own comments over the Bible. nice...

      Suicide is temporal destruction of our mortal body. Satan can't touch us because we are safe in the hands of Jesus for all eternity. Suicide doesn't determine where you go after death PERIOD.

      The only thing that determines if you go to Hell/Heaven is if you ACCEPT or REJECT Jesus as Savior. If you ACCEPT Jesus then ALL your SINS are forgiven including self murder.

      CASE CLOSED!!
      Steven Whitehouse
      10:18 PM




      Thank-You J Wing - I'm sure he will do his best to keep the subject opened. I know what the KJV says. But he keeps saying that I don't in his own way lol. From here on out, I'll let the Lord handle this guy. The only thing we can do is pray for him. He is all mixed up and confused about God's grace!
      J Wing
      10:39 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse Funny part is I found this in the GNV Bible.
      Mark 3:28 (GNV)
      Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto THE CHILDREN OF MEN, and blasphemies, wherewith they blaspheme:

      Guess children are covered by Jesus. Its like he's fighting his own GNV Bible. Sad.
      Steven Whitehouse
      10:47 PM




      can the GNV bible be purchased? I'll have to look at that myself.

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    9. +J Wing
      The KJV and the GNV are not the same!


      2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3&version=GNV

      Servant of the Vatican and Freemason King James hated the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, so the KJV says (lies):

      2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition


      SEVEN English Bibles, prior to the release of the KJV 1611, translated 'apostasia' into departure or departing and then all of a sudden this GREEK word was translated into 'a falling away'....

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      Satanic blasphemers call 'my' JESUS Lucifer.

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      J Wing
      11:04 PM




      +Steven Whitehouse Hehehe Now he's going to promote the GNV as if he hasn't been trashing and ignoring it all along LoL. Anyway I was going to say just that. I use the one on biblegateway. Its pretty good cuz you can do word searches and find that the GNV and the KJV say exactly the same things.

      Its also funny that with his hate for the KJV, he unwittingly is hating the GNV too.
      J Wing
      11:12 PM




      +Hans S Jesus is your best friend and teacher and YET he is teaching you things CONTRARY to the Word of God in the GNV Bible? Hmm that doesn't sound like Jesus of the Bible. You sure it isn't Lucifer who is masquerading as Jesus?

      We have lots of cults here who claim that Jesus is their best friend who speak all sorts of blasphemes not found in the Bible. Maybe you follow some of them.

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    10. +J Wing
      Sometimes I get the feeling I'm not talking to a human, but to a demon.

      I see no difference between you and satanic atheists and rotten Catholics.

      "Its like your own GNV Bible is whooping your butt"

      Someone else said 'now you're trying to pull anything out of your stank butt'

      WHOOPS

      Samson did not commit suicide...absolutely NOT.

      But you don't have the character of Samson, so you can't understand.

      Saul did commit suicide and he was a disobedient man and an enemy of the REAL anointed of 'I AM': David.

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      J Wing
      11:08 PM




      Come on what verse says that? Hmm? Samson deliberately committed suicide. So did Saul. God responded to Samson showing he had no issue with suicide. whoops.

      The issue God has is if we've accepted Jesus as savior before death PERIOD.
      So sorry evangelical outreach is DEAD WRONG and notice they don't quote a single verse to prove their point. All they have there is OPINIONS OF MEN.
      Acts 5:29 (GNV)
      Then Peter and the Apostles answered, and said, We ought rather to obey God than men.

      Its like your own GNV Bible is whooping your butt.

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    11. +J Wing SEVEN English Bibles, prior to the release of the KJV 1611, translated 'apostasia' into departure or departing and then all of a sudden this GREEK word was translated into 'a falling away'....

      ----

      Satanic blasphemers call 'my' JESUS Lucifer.

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      J Wing
      11:37 PM




      +Hans S Is that your ONLY example of one word difference. We already found that the Greek word in the ORIGINAL TEXT is apostasy which is FALSE TEACHINGs. So KJV proves correct while your GNV proves to be outright wrong Oops.

      KJV is hated by the Vatican and Jesuits because it was the very Last of the Protestant Bible translated directly from the Greek manuscripts. So sorry that you exposed the GNV as WRONG in translation.

      Your Jesus is telling you things opposing the GNV Bible. So which is right. Both can't be correct.

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    12. +J Wing Samson did not commit suicide...absolutely NOT.

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      J Wing
      Yesterday 11:46 PM




      +Hans S Samson absolutely DID commit suicide... absolutely DID.
      Judges 16:28-29 (GNV)
      28 Then Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O Lord God, I pray thee, think upon me: O God, I beseech thee, strengthen me at this time only, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
      29 And Samson laid hold on the two middle pillars whereupon the house stood, and on which it was borne up: on the one with his right hand, and on the other with his left.
      30 Then said Samson, Let me lose my life with the Philistines: and he bowed him with all his might, and the house fell upon the princes, and upon all the people that were therein: so the dead which he slew AT HIS DEATH, were more than they which he had slain in his life.

      He pushed and whole house fell upon ALL THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THEREIN. Where was Samson? Inside the house. So who killed Samson? Samson. Self kill by definition.

      If you stop arguing with the Bible, even the GNV Bible, it would stop beating you to a pulp with God's own words.

      So sorry its like watching a fool bashing his head against a brick wall.

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    13. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Of course I preach against the KJV
      , because it's the (very subtle) counterfeit of the Geneva Bible, hated by Freemason King James and the Vatican.
      It's getting increasingly clear that KJV-onlyism is demonic.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 11:55 PM




      +J Wing Hans will never accept the truth of the word of God

      The word apostasia is used only two times and the second time it shows up as leaving the faith of Moses (forsake)

      Act 21:21
      And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake G646 Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

      2Th 2:3
      Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away G646 first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G646&t=KJV

      FOR THIS HE PREACHES AGAINST THE KJV

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    14. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      You are whacked yourself..big time!

      But unlike you I will not condemn you, like you love to do me, as if you're God almighty.
      I pity you!

      +Steven Whitehouse You'd better start reading the Geneva Bible instead of trying to tell me what I already know and believe.
      Do you love JESUS more than anything or anyone else?
      Don't answer me, but talk to JESUS.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:30 AM




      +Hans S You are whacked...that is NOT KJV onlyism, it is the GREEK
      Steven Whitehouse
      12:35 AM




      The question is to you believe in Jesus Christ? and not your works Hans S? to get you into Heaven!

      Ephesians 2:8-9 says
      for By grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Not Of Works, Lest any man should boast.

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    15. +J Wing
      Your suggestion that I hate God's word is the umpteenth attempt to present yourself as a superior SINNER.

      Again: you don't have the character of Samson and you don't know what went through his head when God=JESUS granted his request to give him power to be able to avenge the loss of his eyes, because God used it to put a judgement on the demonic Philistines.
      Samson's death was not a ordinary selfish suicide.

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      J Wing
      7:37 AM




      +Hans S I can't help you if you don't even understand the definition of suicide. You insist on being stubborn go for it. You can ask anyone to read those 2 verses and they will tell you it is suicide, whether you like it or not. God is telling you Samson committed suicide.

      Obviously you hate God's word, even the GNV you claim to use.

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    16. +J Wing
      Your suggestion that I hate God's word is the umpteenth attempt to present yourself as a superior SINNER.

      Again: you don't have the character of Samson and you don't know what went through his head when God=JESUS granted his request to give him power to be able to avenge the loss of his eyes, because God used it to put a judgement on the demonic Philistines.
      Samson's death was not a ordinary selfish suicide.

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      J Wing
      7:37 AM




      +Hans S I can't help you if you don't even understand the definition of suicide. You insist on being stubborn go for it. You can ask anyone to read those 2 verses and they will tell you it is suicide, whether you like it or not. God is telling you Samson committed suicide.

      Obviously you hate God's word, even the GNV you claim to use.

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    17. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      I want to read the BEST version of the Bible in understandable language and not some counterfeit.


      Sometimes I think it's time to write my own Bible, because ALL translations are imperfect.

      Take for example the NAME of God: in NO translation the NAME of God is translated correctly.

      His name is NOT 'LORD', YHWH, Jehovah or Yahweh, but SIMPLY 'I AM (that I AM)'.

      JESUS means 'I AM Salvation'.

      HE is GOD in the capacity of Savior.

      He's the SAME God as the God of the 'old' testament and that's something you and Jon Wing don't want to know.

      He once EXTERMINATED about SIX BILLION PEOPLE during the Flood as a JUDGEMENT and among them were MANY (PREGNANT) women and (little) children!

      JESUS EXTERMINATED THEM!!
      HE IS GOD!

      But you know what?

      ALL unborn babies, babies and little children among those people will be SAVED!

      It wasn't their fault that their parents and older relatives were EVIL and ROTTEN.

      The same goes for (for example) the (unborn) babies and little children among the DEMONIC 'Palestinians' (Islam was invented by the satanic Vatican) and the SATANIC North Koreans, because North Korea is the MOST EVIL country on earth concerning persecution of the adherents of the Christian faith, and communism was invented by the satanic JESUITS.

      NO ONE is justified to call JESUS a MASS MURDERER!

      When He EXTERMINATES it's a JUDGEMENT!

      He ALLOWED SINFUL people to EXTERMINATE HIM!

      It was all according to prophesy and His death served several goals.

      His OWN TERRIBLE WRATH came DOWN on HIMSELF through the hands of his OWN INVENTIONS.

      He defeated Satan's accusation that there IS NO FREE WILL.

      But Satan is an IDIOT because the ONLY FREE WILL is doing God's will.

      His SUGGESTION that we can choose between good and evil is the BIG LIE!

      Don't get me WRONG: in the past I respected the KJV as I respect a similar version in my own language, Dutch, from 1637.

      But some words have been DELIBERATELY altered and I DON'T LIKE THAT.
      The Geneva Bible is absolutely not perfect, but compared to the KJV it's BETTER.

      Now you and Jon and others don't agree.....suit yourself.

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    18. Hans S
      9:51 AM




      Is God your friend or foe? http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2012/08/is-god-your-friend-or-foe.html
      J Wing
      4:43 PM
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      +Hans S Your opinion again is wrong Jesus doesn't mean I am salvation. Jesus means "Yah saves" Wow you have some serious problems all because you don't want to believe the WHOLE Bible. LoL GNV is not perfect? Then you've got a serious problem. Why are you telling us to go from one imperfect translation to another imperfect translation? And you show that you don't even abide by your own GNV Bible.

      So in essence you have no word of God at all. Why didn't you tell us that from the beginning? Now it make sense why you only rely on your OWN OPINIONS and not God's word.

      You use Paul's teaching on women to EXCUSE not listening to women. Women were not educated then but now they are and EQUAL to man from Genesis.
      But since you want to listen to Paul, lets listen to him.
      Galatians 3:28 (GNV)
      There is neither Jew nor Grecian: there is neither bond nor free: there is neither MALE NOR FEMALE: for YE ARE ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.

      whoops guess your excuse for not listening to a woman who is telling you the proper Biblical gospel of Jesus falls flat on its face.
      The GNV continues to lay the smack down on Hans.
      Hans S
      6:42 PM




      +J Wing
      You talk like a chicken without a head.
      End of discussion.
      No go and try to find someone else you want to make as crazy as you are.

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      Steven Whitehouse
      1:25 AM
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      no, I will read the KJV it's a better translation! I told you before I already accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord & Savior back on Sunday, August 31st, 1986! I don't need to make that decision again! ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED IS THE GOSPEL! I can't lose my salvation for any reason! ALL MY SINS ARE COVERED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST! ALL MY SINS ARE FORGIVEN AND PAID FOR! I AM SAVED, I AM FORGIVEN AND I AM REDEEMED! ON CHRIST THE SOLID ROCK I STAND! ALL OTHER GROUND IS SINKING SAND! ALL OTHER GROUND IS SINKING SAND! Again, JESUS PAID IT ALL! ALL TO HIM I OWE! SIN HAD LEFT A CRIMSON STAIN! HE WASHED WHITE AS SNOW! also, ARE YOU WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, THE SOUL-CLEANSING BLOOD OF THE LAMB! I know that my name is written in that lamb's book of life! THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO THAT CAN CHANGE THAT! I AM JUSTIFIED BY FAITH! It doesn't matter what I've done in the past or will do in the future! my eternal destination is already settled!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      3:06 AM




      +Hans S If you are going to outright LIE about me, please prove to me that I condemned you? Is it me or is it your DENIAL of GOD'S HOLY WORD that condemns you?

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    19. If my doctrine isn't sound why don't you obey what Paul tells us to do....
      Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

      Mark me and avoid me.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:11 AM




      +Hans S """"Someone is saved, because JESUS has SAVED someone and NOT because a SINNER recites a 'MAGIC FORMULA'.
      Paul was on his way to Damascus, as Saul, and he wasn't planning to become a saved person.
      That was JESUS's INITIATIVE.
      JESUS has saved me in the SAME FASHION!"""

      You were not saved in the same fashion...Saul was zealous for the LORD in ignorance. He saw the risen Lord. He converted to Jesus Messiah by FAITH with all his prior knowledge and understanding of scripture and he is the one who wrote almost all of our New Testament which tells us all how to be saved.

      You came out of unbelief and heard the voice of God.

      I have also heard the voice of God similar to your experience but I would never say it was just like with Paul "in the same fashion"...

      What you heard is not how you became saved it was by BELIEVING and seeking you became saved, if in fact you believe what the Bible says...btw...all we do is quote Bible to you and you were TOLD to read the Bible by God Himself, so are you obeying that voice of God?

      Are you believing what you read or not?

      When God spoke to you you were not saved, He stopped you from going to hell and instructed you TO READ THE BIBLE...in it you find out HOW to BE SAVED. Obey that voice, I believe it was God.

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    1. +Donna Diggzzz
      Great message, Donna!

      Suicide is ALWAYS in the interest of Satan.
      JESUS is ALWAYS the ONLY and BEST answer!
      I love you, my sister in JESUS!

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