Saturday, September 30, 2017

How do we work out our salvation and examine our faith?

How do we work out our salvation and examine our faith?


Published on Sep 21, 2017

In this video, we look at the phrases "work out your salvation with fear and trembling" found in Phi. 2:12 and "examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith" seen in 2 Cor. 13:5. Is Paul teaching that works are a requirement for salvation, or is he relating something completely different?

In this study, we look at several verses in context within Paul's letters which use similar language to highlight the true meaning of these verses. Afterwards, the story of the woman who touched the hem of Jesus's garment is read in Mark 5 to further illustrate the power of God's grace through faith. We don't work FOR our salvation, we work OUT our salvation! And this is accomplished by making sure we always have our focus on Jesus and what He did on the cross, rather than on ourselves and what we do in the flesh. By grace, through faith, in Christ alone! 

20 comments:

  1. Amen, Jason!
    Jason Jack
    Jason Jack
    1 day ago
    Thank Hans, God bless!

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  2. +Ellen Jirasek You're referring to this:
    Romans 7:5 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    5 For when we were in the flesh, the affections of sins, which were by the law, had force in our members, to bring forth fruit unto death,

    JESUS used this principle the other way around, because He knows everything about the human, fallen psychology (knowledge of the human soul), because whenever He had performed a miracle He told the healed person NOT to tell anybody about it, knowing VERY well that this person would DISOBEY and do the opposite and tell EVERYBODY that (s)he was healed by JESUS.
    Our clever Savior used it to make His people aware about WHO was in their midst: God ALMIGHTY in the flesh and their Messiah!

    When God tells people for example not to fornicate, they tend to do it, because the flesh and Satan are allies in case people don't fear and love God.
    When God tells sinners through His Apostle Paul that we´re saved by GRACE through FAITH (alone) in the atoning BLOOD of JESUS, they´re FREE from the LAW according to this:

    Romans 8:1-2 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    1 Now then there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, which walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    2 For the Law of the Spirit of life which is in Christ Jesus, hath freed me from the Law of sin and of death.

    So, as long as we don´t walk after the flesh, we´re FREE to do whatever we want, because then we want to PLEASE God-the Lord JESUS, and people who want to PLEASE Him have NO MOTIVE to sin.

    If we choose NOT to please Him, which is very UNWISE, then we automatically fall back into walking after the flesh and than we in fact ask God to chastise us as if we´re naughty children, but those who ARE saved will not lose their salvation because of this, but in case they don´t change their minds, and repent, then they will lose rewards when they will stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ JESUS, because He´s of course not happy with us when we deliberately sin, but He´s very happy with us when we do what pleases Him, though we can´t be saved by doing good works according to this:

    Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

    In that sense He´s our MAIN PARENT: our FATHER.
    Isaiah 9:6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

    John 14:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    9 Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?

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    Ellen Jirasek
    Heu Hans.what is that verse "the Law stirs up in us to bring fruits unto death" i think you catchy meaning

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    1. The book of James is for the Jews.
      Romans through Philemon is for the members of the body of Christ.
      Misunderstanding the book of James http://www.centralcal.com/christ4a.htm

      James 1:1 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      1 James a servant of God, and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve Tribes, which are scattered abroad, salutation.

      Are we members of the twelve Tribes?
      NO!

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    1. Brother Jason, though I have no Christian-religious background and I almost never went to church, except ONCE when I attended a Protestant kindergarten, I came into contact with fellow believers in our Lord JESUS, after that JESUS saved me from going to hell on January 15, 1984, and these fellow believers in JESUS taught me the WRONG gospel, which is a mixture of what is meant for the members of the Body of Christ (the gospel of grace) and what is meant for the Jews concerning their Kingdom gospel.
      I'm a Dutch ex-atheist and JESUS saved me somewhat like He saved Paul, because He talked to me, but I didn't see Him and this was His message to me: 'Hans, there are two things you can do: commit suicide or start reading the Bible'.
      Paul had several witnesses when JESUS talked to him and I had one: my late mother.
      She witnessed my terrible desperation that suddenly started and that seemed to last an eternity, and she saw that all at ONCE something changed: she didn't hear the voice of JESUS, and she was unsaved herself back then, being a non-practicing Catholic, but she saw that my mood had changed dramatically from desperation into HOPEFULNESS.
      I had never read the entire Bible and so I bought myself a brand new (Dutch) Bible and I started to read it.
      Because most people who call themselves 'born again' derive from traditional churches (assemblies and denominations) I got influenced by them ('evangelicals') and it's understandable that I also developed a mixture of GRACE and WORKS.
      Almost one year after JESUS came into my life (again) I met a woman with a Christian-religious (Protestant) background and she became my partner and her daughter became my step-daughter, because she was divorced.
      About 30½ years after I met her at a Bible study at her home and about 31½ years after JESUS saved me in the presence of my late mother in her home, I started to discover the Gospel of Grace during the summer of 2015, thanks to a sister from CA who shared this GREAT article on Google+: Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel
      http://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.html

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    2. Of course there's much more to say about it, but I believe that this discovery was one of the main reasons my ex told me 'I don't love you anymore', ending our more than 30 years long relationship, because something had changed inside of me and she couldn't understand what it was, because she didn't have the same kind of experience, though I shared my discoveries with her, but she isn't an internet-kind of person and she doesn't like computers, so she didn't do her own research on the internet, like I did and do.
      And her English isn't that good as mine, which is also an important factor, because I made my most important discoveries in the English language area through the internet.
      The loss of the relationship with my ex, my (ex)step-daughter and their entire family, was the biggest blow in my life, but JESUS pulled me through, and also thanks to the fellowship with fellow believers He gave me on the internet and with one brother in my hometown.
      But I still had a lot to (un)learn, and from 2016 onward I discovered brother Robert Breaker and his teachings and this helped me a lot.
      I know it has nothing to do with our eternal salvation, but it's nice to know you're also a flat earther, and I became a flat earth-truth believer on October 1, 2016.
      Later I also discovered that 'dinosaurs' never existed.
      From the start of my walk with JESUS I knew that God has a different plan with the Body of Christ than with His chosen people, Israel and from the start I believed in the (as I call it since several years) pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.
      But also the knowledge about the Biblical pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture (revealed by Paul, on behalf of JESUS) isn't salvational.
      ONLY the gospel of GRACE, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is about ETERNAL SALVATION! https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/EcUrVE
      I'm GLAD we agree on this!
      Blessings in our Savior JESUS from your brother Hans, from the Netherlands. https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com

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    3. Thanks Jason, and what our Savior JESUS gave me in return for my loss was more of Himself, so that's not something I'm complaining about....on the contrary!
      We're saved by God's unmerited gift of Grace through faith alone in the atoning blood of JESUS and His resurrection from the dead on the third day, according to the scriptures and we can add nothing to keep us saved or we can do nothing to lose our salvation, because I'm convinced that OSAS is biblical for those who LOVE JESUS Christ.
      I made a topic on my site about one important verse by our Apostle Paul: If any man doesn’t love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2018/04/if-any-man-doesnt-love-lord-jesus.html
      That's the whole 'deal': to LOVE JESUS Christ!
      I especially love those who also LOVE my best Friend, JESUS, and I also love the outsiders and I pray for them (like my unsaved relatives) so that they also become our friends in JESUS.
      I know you're someone with a broad interest, so maybe this is interesting to you: God gives the ANTICHRIST to those who HATE JESUS Christ and His GRACE - The Jesuits of the New World Order & Self Destruction - Satan's Architects http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2018/06/god-gives-antichrist-to-those-who-hate.html
      The maker of this video is a fellow believer in JESUS, but he's not presenting his viewers the right gospel, so that's why I added my comments to that topic.
      I believe we can expect JESUS any moment, because His coming for His Body of Christ at the moment the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture is imminent.
      This is also a good video by Robert Breaker: The Nation of Israel and the Jews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnIrpwCWXB8
      Yes, God's GRACE is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE, because we don't DESERVE it!
      Till the next time and God-our Savior and Lord JESUS bless us and our beloved!

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      Jason Jack
      1 hour ago
      Hans, thank you so much for sharing this with me.

      Yeah, God never promised us that there wouldn't be struggles and hardships in this life, but He did promise that He would be here for us every step of the way.
      I'm so happy you've found the way, the truth, and the life.
      The grace and mercy of God through our Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely incredible, isn't it?!
      So glad you've found my channel on YT, I hope it blesses you.
      Looking forward to continued fellowship with you in the future, God bless!

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    4. You too, brother Jack!

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      Jason Jack
      19 minutes ago
      Hans S, Amen bro, God bless you abundantly!

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    1. Owen Has
      Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible.
      The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.

      The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.

      The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.

      Source: http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.html

      Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel
      http://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.html

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      Owen Has
      Owen Has
      5 days ago
      Then why does Paul say to work out our salvation with fear and trembling??
      Jason Jack
      Jason Jack
      5 days ago
      Owen, As believers, we should exercise our gift of salvation by serving and rejoicing with others in the name of the Lord.
      Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. (Psa. 2:11)
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      Owen Has
      Owen Has
      5 days ago
      Jason Jack So Once saved always saved is true? That once someone believes they can never lose their salvation? But what of all these people that say many Christians are in hell because they live in SIN or still live like the world? Jesus did emphasize we should be separate from the world did he not? Also he said he would spew lukewarm Christians out of his mouth.
      Jason Jack

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    2. Jason Jack
      4 days ago
      Eternal security in Christ is the good news.
      Those who believe they can lose their salvation either believe God isn't powerful or trustworthy enough to keep His promise of eternal life, or they don't trust that Jesus's finished, redemptive work on the cross is good enough for them.
      Either way, it leads to them adding their works of righteousness to the gospel because they don't trust in the sufficiency of Christ.
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      Owen Has
      Owen Has
      3 days ago
      The problem I have with OSAS is that it takes human free will out of the equation. It also goes against the emphasis that Jesus put that we should be separate (not in the world) to be his disciple. My understanding is that we are all disciples (just different levels). Unless you are saying that some can just believe and be saved (never having any fruit) and never having to truly follow Jesus? That would be like if I was to say to my boss at work: I believe in you boss! Never doing any work for 8 hours of the day and expect my boss to be ok with that (not fire me) and allow me same perks of every person that actually does work for the company. Does that make any sense?
      Jason Jack
      Jason Jack
      3 days ago
      Owen, Once a heart of faith receives the incorruptible seed of the Word of God (the gospel of Jesus Christ), a spiritual birth occurs by the power of God that cannot be aborted, reversed, or annulled.
      Being in Christ, this new creation is a permanent member of the kingdom of God.
      The works of our corruptible flesh cannot "kill" this new man.
      It is sinless, incorruptible and kept by the power of God.
      ALL things are made new with this newborn child of God because this new creation is not of flesh and blood.
      The new man is seated in heavenly places with God while the old man is still in corruptible flesh on Earth.
      The corruptible old man who has been "born again" and sealed by the holy Spirit of promise now has the "seed of promise" within them.
      That person then has the ability to sow this spiritual seed to others by sharing the good news of Jesus Christ.
      This is the role of the believer in terms of discipleship.
      It's to further the kingdom of Heaven through the spreading of the gospel on Earth, not to "keep ourselves saved" through works of the flesh.
      I hope this makes sense to you. God bless.
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    3. Owen Has
      2 days ago (edited)
      This verse pretty much destroys once saved always saved does it not? If one cannot choose to lose their salvation then please explain this verse....
      Revelation 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
      9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

      10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

      11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
      Jason Jack
      Jason Jack
      2 days ago
      Owen, After hearing and believing the good news of Jesus Christ, a believer is immersed by the Spirit of promise into the body of Christ unto the day of redemption.
      Again, this spiritual rebirth is of INCORRUPTIBLE SEED.
      A believer is part of the BODY OF CHRIST.
      Now can the incorruptible, sinless body of Christ ever receive the mark of the beast?
      No, that's absurd, it's impossible for the body of Christ to be defiled in this manner.

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    1. Jason Jack
      Who decides who's saved or unsaved?
      I'm a former atheist who never went to 'church' and who never read the Bible and my best knowledge of JESUS Christ was the rock opera 'Jesus Christ Super Star', which was made from the perspective of Judas, as I know now.
      I believe you're my SAVED brother in JESUS Christ, because I know you believe that our Savior JESUS shed His sinless blood for the remission of our sins and that He rose from the dead, and that's all we have to believe in order to be saved FOREVER, according to JESUS through our Apostle Paul:

      1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      1 Moreover brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which ye have also received, and wherein ye continue,

      2 And whereby ye ARE saved, IF ye keep in memory, after what manner I preached it unto you, except ye have believed in vain.

      3 For first of all, I delivered unto you that which I received, how^ that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,

      4 And that he was buried, and that he arose the third day, according to the Scriptures

      ^through the shed BLOOD of JESUS!

      Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,

      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

      Ephesians 1:13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      13 In whom also ye have trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, even the Gospel of your salvation, wherein also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promise

      JESUS promised us EVERLASTING LIFE:
      John 3:16 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      16 For God so loveth the world, that he hath given his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      I also know you're a believer in the flat earth, which is not about salvation, but which is the truth.

      So I 'expose' you as a fellow saved sinner who's NOT going to burn in the lake of fire, all thanks to JESUS!

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      Jason Jack
      1 week ago (edited)
      BenRedeemed, We don't turn from our sins to be forgiven of sins, we turn to Jesus for forgiveness.
      The gospel isn't a message to "continue in sin", it's an offering to rest in His promise.
      I've never once said a person shouldn't repent of the sin in their life, I'm simply making the point that repenting of sins (keeping the law) is not part of eternal salvation.
      The forgiveness of sins and life eternal is received through faith in the finished, redemptive work of Jesus Christ because HE DIED FOR OUR SINS.
      What's truly sad is the message of condemnation and fear that you teach while coming against those who simply praise our Lord Jesus Christ for His free gift to mankind.
      Your hypothetical scenarios and false accusations simply show that in your heart you've turned the grace of our God into lasciviousness.
      A person is spiritually regenerated (born again) through hearing the gospel, being persuaded of its eternal truth, and trusting God's promise of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ our Lord. God bless.
      Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)

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