Nasibal? no man, a NAZI BALL!
After his fall, Satan concocted the earth as a ball
Buzz COMES CLEAN About Moon Landing!! (EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE) | FLAT EARTH PROOF 3 pt2
Astro-NOT Buzzed Aldrin Comes Clean ~ "We Never Went to the Moon"
Googe+YouTube is controlled by the JESUITS and SATAN, so they LIE about EVERYTHING and they're able to manipulate upload dates of videos, the amount of views and comments etc.Everybody on YouTube who's revealing the TRUTH is FIGHTING BEHIND ENEMY LINES.===aplanetruth.info18 hours agoHere is the original video..you decide...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4UP6nRMuGs&list=FLdSusNdb6i2tKIPLUKagQgw&t=0s&index=3DITRH4 hours agoThere is something weird about the Buzz interview. It was upload 3 years ago! My first thought was that the dad uploaded it but never published it until yesterday but that cant be because it was featured on that website that has over 120,000 page views. https://theroarbots.com/2015/questions-buzz-aldrin/ There were only 200 views and no comments until yesterday with the oldest one being 1 hour old then after I asked when was it filmed they turned off comments. The next thing is that Mars shirt. Isn’t that something he wore recently? Also I don't know how different he looked 3 years ago but he sure looked about the same weight and hair style and length as he did recently when standing behind Trump. Need to look at that a little deeper. My thought is that they are up to something and YouTube is faking the upload date and that website post. Why is the question. Perhaps its part of their divine requirement to inform us of the truth?Also this Zoey girl has heavy ties to Disney and has interviewed another lying Actornot.
The Biblical Flat Earth vs. Lucifer's Globe Earth
+Mary 4yeshua Satan totally agrees with you!Satan's Global Lie - The Truth of God's Enclosed Flat Earth https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2018/07/satans-global-lie-truth-of-gods.htmlPhoto3.bp.blogspot.com3mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua Satan HATES the pre-tribulation rapture! https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/01/satan-hates-pre-tribulation-rapture.htmlPhoto2.bp.blogspot.com2mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua You believe in the WRONG gospel for the Jews, which will be the RIGHT gospel AFTER the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospelhttp://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.htmlJesus vs Paul - a VERY IMPORTANT message!https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/hVEhywxdqhgOnce Saved Always Saved https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2017/07/once-saved-always-saved.htmlGod's Timeline and the Jews http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2017/05/gods-timeline-and-jews.htmlThe Day of Christ vs The Day of the Lord http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2017/03/the-day-of-christ-vs-day-of-lord.htmlThe Kingdom of God vs The Kingdom of Heaven http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2017/09/the-kingdom-of-god-vs-kingdom-of-heaven.htmlRightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/5wBxq9LyqHgThe Plain Truth - Romans through Philemon https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/1gxPAWdzpiJMy Blessed Hope - The Rapture https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/4X2kb7JGJkZROMANS thru PHILEMON https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/PZR5GqzCkRaSatan's Attack on The Mystery Gospel https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/07/satans-attack-on-mystery-gospel.html===Mr. Em Aaejae's profile photoMr. Em Aaejae+1Jesus has nothing to do with the Catholics. They are Gentiles imitating the things of God that he commanded to his chosen Nation, the Isrealites/Jews...the works of which are now disannuled by the mercy of God and Jesus by their dispensation of grace as they revealed it to the Apostle Paul.The Catholic Church does not teach on grace and is putting the Gentiles and ignorant Jews under the curse of the works of the Law while ignoring the sin releasing, resurrecting power of grace.4hMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModeratorThere is no flat earth or rapture.
+Mary 4yeshua Why don't you first start to read this article and then come back with real arguments?Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospelhttp://www.matthewmcgee.org/2gospels.htmlI'm not your enemy and I'm here on behalf of JESUS Christ and His Apostle Paul, and it's not forbidden to be left behind after the rapture and to believe God's wrath is still upon you.===Mary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S And of course you should know satans M.O. where he gives 90% TRUTH and the rest lies, right?So the earth IS a globe which would be 90% truth according to satan. LOL9mMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S And which Jews would that be? Do you have ANY idea who the Jews are in God's Word?I seriously doubt it.
+Mary 4yeshua It's clear you are an ANTICHRIST.Bub bye, Mary 4yeshua, which is NOT your real name, which proves you're also a LIAR.There are more than 7,6 BILLION people on earth and most of them are LOST and I'm not going to waste my time on you.1sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua if you can show me just ONE undoctered photo of earth from 'space' you may steal all my money and possessions and even burn me alive.===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S I don't need to read any article of yours. IF you have questions, ask.There is no pre trib rapture in God's Word, just people who twist the Word of God for their own agenda.You have much to learn.47sMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModeratorAnd it IS forbidden to be teaching FALSELY!
+Mary 4yeshua Then show me just ONE undoctered photo of earth from 'space' and you may have all my money and possessions.2sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua Concerning your long comment:You use the WRONG MASONIC 'Bible' (King James Bible 1611 is Masonic!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_p6fbi32dQ ): 2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perditionThis is the RIGHT translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.And his translation also uses the right word for the GREEK word 'apostasia': 2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destructionThe departing/departure is the PRE-JACOB'S TROUBLE-RAPTURE!The book of Revelation is for the JEWS and not for the members of the Body of Christ:Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible. The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.Source: http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.htmlAnd concerning the trumpets: Discerning The Trumpets (Revelation 1:8-10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt87fd1ep9Q2sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua "You have NO love for the truth of God's Word"I love JESUS Christ, who is the WORD of God and GOD, so who do you think you are?God?===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Here, learn something:Let's pick up the subject.1Th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1. Paul doe not want us to be ignorant.2. Paul does not want us to be ignorant on those which are asleep / where the dead in Christ are.Those that have already died. So that you don't sorrow about them and have no hope.1Th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.Paul is saying - If you believe that Christ died and rose again, how can you NOT believe that we will too?Those that have ALREADY died and are with Christ, those are the ones that He will bring with Him when He returns at the 7th Trumpet.
Here already is proof that these scriptures are not about a pre trib rapture. For pre trib rapturists believe that their spiritual bodies will just come out of their flesh bodies and fly away somewhere all at once. That is NOT what Paul is writing about here. The ones Paul is writing about here are those who have died already from diseases, heart attacks, cancer, accidents etc., from his time to when Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet.1Th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.Which are alive at the coming of Christ, which is at the 7th Trumpet!But those which are alive (have not died yet) when Christ returns, cannot prevent (Gr - precede - go before), them that have ALREADY died. (heart attacks, cancer, accidents etc) Same ones as above.Those that are alive can Not precede those that have died already, why? Because they are already there!1Th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:How many Trumpets are there? 76th Trump = satan is here7th Trump = Christ returnsNow which of these 2 Trumpets do you think is the Trump of God? It's not difficult to figure out.These are absolute facts in Gods Word. You, nor anyone else can NOT change that. Although they keep trying. They will answer for it.1Th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.Then and then only will all of us that are still alive when Christ returns at the 7th Trumpet, shall all be changed into our spiritual bodies.Many do not know that Paul spoke Colloquial Greek, or street Greek. He was attempting to communicate a figure of speech signifying multitudes: Strong's Number: gG3509 - Greek: nephosCloud - denotes a cloudy, shapeless mass covering the heavens." Hence, metaphorically, of a dense multitude, a throng". Example: Heb 12:1 KJV Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
The caught up in air is our spiritual body coming out of our flesh body.Air - G109 - aēr ah-ayr'; from ἄημι áēmi = to breathe unconsciously, i.e. respire; by analogyour breath of life body, spiritual body.Those that are alive and have NOT died yet when Christ returns, will ALL change into spiritual bodies. 1Co 15:52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.Changed into what? Into our spiritual bodies. How many Trumpets were there again? 7When is the Last Trump then? The 7th!Where does it say in any of these verses that these people will be changed IN THE NEXT TO THE LAST TRUMPET or BEFORE the 6th Trumpet? Where?_____________________ 1Th 5:1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.1Th 5:3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. Does that say you're going anywhere??? SHALL NOT ESCAPE! YOU WILL BE HERE!!!____________________ 2Th 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,2Th 2:2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, NOR BY LETTER AS FROM US, as that the day of Christ is at hand. There was problems back then too concerning 1 Thess 4 with people. That's why Paul is giving more clarity!! 2Th 2:3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first (Apostasy), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (satan); Paul doesn't want you to be deceived.That man of sin is satan. Nowhere does it say here that anyone is going to FLY away before satan gets here or while he is here.The falling away is the apostasy.And God has blinded many because they did not have the love for the truth of His Word. All they wanted was their own interpretations of it.And satan has blinded as well. The 5 virgins who didn't have enough oil (Gods Truth) in their lamps, are the ones deceived by satan. They listened to these false preachers about the rapture and didn't take the time to read His Word with understanding for themselves. They didn't learn that they WILL be here during the tribulation, and therefore didn't prepare. They didn't learn what to look for or what to do and not do when satan is here. Most WILL be deceived.2Th 2:4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.2Th 2:5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.2Th 2:7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.v. 6 withholdeth means to hold fast!that satan might be revealed in his time.v, 7 letteth here means to hold fast also!Greek - katecho Supply the Ellipsis by"there is one who holds fast", instead of by repeating the verb "will let".But katecho is a transitive verb, and an object must be supplied too. This means that it has to revert back to the subject, which is satan.Since the subject is satan, the object must be his position in the heavenlies (Eph 6:12), from which he will be ejected by Michael.(Rev 12:7-9)He (Michael) who holds satan, will hold him until he (satan) be taken "out of the way"."out of the way" = out of the midst.Out of the midst of heaven where he is being held.Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Couldn't read?You have NO love for the truth of God's Word.2Th 2:10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.2Th 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:YOU'VE been hit with these delusions BAD.Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S I can do better than that, and I want nothing of yours.Remember when the ISS (International Space Station) started doing a live feed?They did NOT have the technology back then to alter or change what was on that feed in REAL TIME.Ask anyone who knows.And I wouldn't even wish my worst enemy to be burnt alive. That's horrible.
+Mary 4yeshua You love Satan and his lies.===Hans S+Mary 4yeshua Concerning your long comment:You use the WRONG MASONIC 'Bible' (King James Bible 1611 is Masonic!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_p6fbi32dQ ): 2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perditionThis is the RIGHT translation: 2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.And his translation also uses the right word for the GREEK word 'apostasia': 2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destructionThe departing/departure is the PRE-JACOB'S TROUBLE-RAPTURE!The book of Revelation is for the JEWS and not for the members of the Body of Christ:Rightly dividing the Word is the goal of this article, and it is an indispensable key to proper understanding of the Bible. The abundance of scriptural evidence detailed in the third section makes it very clear that Revelation is doctrine for Israel, which was written to Jews who believed in Jesus Christ, by an apostle of the circumcision, for direct application in the prophetic "kingdom" dispensation. At the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, God placed that dispensation in abeyance in 70 AD, to be resumed in the future tribulation.The entire book of Revelation, including chapters 1-3, is deeply rooted in Old Testament prophecy. It is doctrinally aligned with the epistles of Peter, James, John, and Jude, all of whom were apostles of the circumcision, as well as to the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Hebrews, and the Old Testament.The dispensation of grace in which we now live is revealed in Romans through Philemon, our Apostle Paul's letters to the Gentiles, with Acts being the book of transition between the two dispensations.Source: http://www.matthewmcgee.org/7church.htmlAnd concerning the trumpets: Discerning The Trumpets (Revelation 1:8-10) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt87fd1ep9Q34mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua "You have NO love for the truth of God's Word"I love JESUS Christ, who is the WORD of God and GOD, so who do you think you are?God?30mMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Again, I want nothing of yours.What part of that do you not understand?Go back and see if you can find those OLD feeds.There were PLENTY of them back then and they DID show a SPHERE for the earth.25mMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S AGAIN, you have NO love for the truth of Gods Word.NO WONDER you have no understanding.You cannot comprehend what you read.23mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua You're a LUCIFERIAN!Photolh3.googleusercontent.com3mMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Yes, YOU ARE luciferian.
+Mary 4yeshua I can't recall hearing Satan saying things like this: 'Lord JESUS Christ, I LOVE you and I thank you for having shed your atoning BLOOD for my sins and I praise you and I worship you!'Let's see if we can agree on something: are you also able to WORSHIP JESUS in public and in your own words and from the HEART?===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Just another lie of satan's himself. hahahaYou're good at that.You ARE of the devil so it's only natural you would speak like him and use his tactics.
+Mary 4yeshua You're promoting LIES and you know it.
+Mr. Em Aaejae Are you talking about me, wise guy with your FALSE name?I'm Hans, 58 years old/young from the Netherlands and WHO are you?9mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua No, it is you that is promoting all the lies and you know it.You are blinded.How old are you.....3, 4?7mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae +Mary 4yeshua Jesuit Priest Georges Lemaître Invented The Big Bang Theory - LIE http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2016/06/jesuit-priest-georges-lemaitre-invented.htmlPhoto3.bp.blogspot.com4mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae +Mary 4yeshua The HOAX NASA Mars Rover is filmed on Earth http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-hoax-nasa-mars-rover-is-filmed-on.html===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S No, it is you that is promoting all the lies and you know it.You are blinded.36mMr. Em Aaejae's profile photoMr. Em Aaejae+Mary 4yeshua Hello Mary:If he is blind, Satan has him and he does not know it.He does not know that Satan has his hand up his a..., and working him like a sock puppet.
+Mary 4yeshua I told you before you're NOT saved, because you believe in the WRONG gospel, so that's why you're siding with God-deniers=atheists and scoffers.You think from the FLESH.Romans 8:1 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)1 Now then there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus, which walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.You need buddies to back you up, because you don't rely on JESUS Christ ON YOUR OWN.===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Mr. Em Aaejae I know. They are not of sound mind either to even listen or hear the truth of God's Word.
+Mary 4yeshua Okay, you asked for it:1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)1 Moreover brethren, I declare unto you THE GOSPEL which I preached unto you, which ye have also received, and wherein ye continue,2 And whereby ye ARE saved, if ye keep in memory, after what manner I preached it unto you, except ye have believed in vain.3 For first of all, I delivered unto you that which I received, how^ that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,4 And that he was buried, and that he arose the third day, according to the Scriptures^through the shed BLOOD of JESUS!Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.Ephesians 1:13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)13 In whom also ye have trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, even the Gospel of your salvation, wherein also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with the holy Spirit of promiseMore: https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/1j6qg8yeYnN1 Corinthians 15:1-4 https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/EcUrVE2sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua This is the RIGHT GOSPEL OF SALVATION:Many Modern Christian sects erroneously teach salvationis by something a sinner DOES. They make a person's salvation dependent upon the works of the sinner. But nothing could be further from the truth of God's word. According to the Bible, salvation is by taking what Jesus DID on the cross of Calvary, when he shed his blood to pay for the sins of man. This FINISHED WORK, once and for all, is the only thing that can give man the new birth, forgiveness of sins, and eternal life.The Bible clearly presents the Gospel in 1 Corinthians15:1-4:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospelwhich I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein yestand;2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preachedunto you, unless ye have believed in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, howthat Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third dayaccording to the scriptures:Notice the Gospel is what JESUS DID FOR MAN, and notwhat MAN CAN DO FOR GOD!A person is only saved by BELIEVING upon the finished work of Jesus Christ, when he shed his Precious Blood for our sins.This blood atonement was necessary, for without shedding of blood, is no remission (Heb. 9:22). God has always demanded blood for sin.In the Old Testament, God accepted the blood of a lamb. In the NewTestament, God accepts the shed blood of Jesus Christ, the LAMB OF GOD,slain for your sins.The Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 has five parts:1 Christ died2. For our sins3. Was buried4. Rose Again5. According to the ScripturesAn old preacher once said, "YOU CANNOT PREACH THEGOSPEL WITHOUT PREACHING THE BLOOD ATONEMENT OF CHRIST AND YOU CANNOT PREACH THE BLOOD ATONEMENT OF CHRIST WITHOUT PREACHING THE GOSPEL!"This is absolute Bible truth! For salvation byJesus Christ's bloody sacrifice on the cross is the only means in which God offers eternal life.
Just as we see the blood of Christ in the five wounds He bear on the cross, so we too see the blood of Jesus in the five points of the Gospel.Christ died.Jesus shed every drop of his precious blood on the cross of Calvary, dying in man's place for man's sins. His blood dropped into the ground.For our sins.The Bible likens sin unto blood in Isaiah 1:18:"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."Scarlet and crimson are the color of BLOOD.Was buried.Jesus Christ was buried in the same ground in which his blood was spilt. When Abel, died, we read the following words in Gen. 4:10, "...the voice of thy brother'sblood crieth unto me from the ground." Shed blood speaks to God!Hebrews 12:24 then tell us the following about the blood ofJesus:"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the bloodof sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."Christ's blood speaks as well!Rose Again.When Jesus rose again, the Bible tells us Jesus Christ took his blood to heaven, and sprinkled it on the mercy seat there (Heb. 9:12-25), where it's still waiting to wash away the sins of the most vilest sinner! Are you washed in the blood?According to the Scriptures.The whole Old Testament points to Jesus Christ as the Messiah. He's pictured time and again in all the sacrifices the Jews slaughtered in the temple for theatonement of their sins. When Jesus died on the cross and the sacrificial Lamb of God, shedding his blood, he fulfilled prophecy written of him all throughout the Old Testament.So there you have it! The BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST is found all throughout the Gospel.You can't preach the blood, without preaching the Gospel, and you can't preach the Gospel without preaching the Blood.For the Bible clearly teaches salvation is by FAITH, without WORKS (Eph. 2:8,). Faith in what? FAITH IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!Romans 3:25-28 make this clear:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiationthrough faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remissionof sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might bejust, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay:but by the law of faith.28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without thedeeds of the law.To be justified, or saved, a person's faith must be wholly in the shed blood of Jesus Christ. This declares God the Just one. When a sinner is saved, he cannot boast about himself or his works. He'll only brag upon Jesus who saved himfrom his sins!Sadly, in our modern age of apostasy, very few who claim to be Christians ever preach the blood of Jesus for salvation.But the simple Bible truth is, YOU CANNOT EVEN BE A CHRISTIAN UNLESS YOUARE TRUSTING ONLY IN THE SHED BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!===Mary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S I really do not care what you say. It means nothing to me.God's Word is what I listen to.KNOW THAT.7mHans S's profile photoHans SPhoto https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1qWen7PlxHc/WmsRoFPMuCI/AAAAAAAAsbQ/W2hu-zJv7owTMHnhRQV9Tpq1eGHlhCXswCLcBGAs/s640/JESUS%2Bis%2Bnot%2Bdead%2Band%2Bthe%2Bearth%2Bis%2Bflat.png
+Mary 4yeshua You still havan't shown me just ONE UNDOCTERED PHOTO from 'space' of the earth as a BALL.
+Mary 4yeshua You're so IGNORANT that you don't even know what you're asking, because your beloved Jesuit-Satan-concocted 'space' doesn't exist, and the only way to make a photo from the entire flat earth is from high above where the firmament is at its highest.NASA and the other satanic 'space agencies' know that this is IMPOSSIBLE, because their stupid rockets can't get that high.===Mr. Em Aaejae+1+Mary 4yeshua Hello Mary:Have you asked Hans SFor some UNDOCTORED PICTURES of a flat Earth from space?I've seen hundreds of pics of this round Earth from space but none of a flat Earth; not even in all of the Sci-if movies I've ever watched. 3hMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S And you have yet to show me 1 undoctored picture of a flat earth from space.Put up or shut up.3hMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Mr. Em Aaejae Thank you. hahaha3hHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae You're a liar, and let me say that again, a LIAR, because there are no UNDOCTORED photos from 'space' of the earth as a BALL and +Mary 4yeshua is a LIAR too.You're both headed to the lake of fire:Revelation 21:8But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
+Mary 4yeshua "There are LOTS of pictures"Then show me just ONE undoctored photo of earth as a BALL from 'space'.You can't because such GENUINE and UNDOCTORED photos DO NOT EXIST!You believe in the earth as a SPINNING BALL revolving around the sun, IGNORING the BIBLICAL FACT that the earth already existed for THREE DAYS when the sun and the moon and the stars were created on day FOUR.You're deliberately CHANGING the Biblical account of Genesis.LUCIFER concocted the spinning globe earth LIE and the universe LIE and the solar system LIE and the GALAXIES lie and the big bang LIE, and the REASON for this is OBVIOUS:Photohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/VZmkWTLbSxiLSy-2EDbcR-gbrZVdpZUuZbPVrgbz4yMtVGbwdTwAQABkohqGP99qDhZVxKWU_aUfaua_cVX79Tvm8vsD40Vv11QM8XieI41o5-R8GiVAass68NummCAamk276HbOi6Bj-4aRKw=w530-h530-n1sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua ISS Hoax - The International Fake Station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19fBJnD1Cb8===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S LIAR.SHOW ME THE PICTURES OF A FLAT EARTH FROM SPACE!3hHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua Are you BRAIN DAMAGED and can't you read?You're a PSEUDO-CATHOLIC or an EVANGELICAL or a PENTECOSTAL, but you are NOT SAVED.NOT SAVED!Did I make myself clear?And your beloved POTUS is a PAWN of the Vatican and Satan: Donald TRUMP HE'S NOT WEARING ANY CLOTHES AND STOP SAYING HE IS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8bCNmWKrMIHe cooperates with LESBIAN Hillary the WITCH.Photohttps://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rUv8Q_vdgpw/W0hlgjtsAmI/AAAAAAAAtws/oeoBK152Jkgp9nBzhleM8tlvz4w6xzCVACLcBGAs/s1600/Donald%2BTRUMP%2BHE%2527S%2BNOT%2BWEARING%2BANY%2BCLOTHES%2BAND%2BSTOP%2BSAYING%2BHE%2BIS.png3hHans S's profile photoHans S+Mary 4yeshua See what I mean (see picture)?And NAZI-NASA was founded by German NAZIS who fled to the USA at the end of WW2 with the aid of the VATICAN.The other German Nazi-rocket scientists went to the former Soviet-Union of JESUIT PRIEST Joseph 'Stalin'.Roosevelt and Truman were high FREEMASONS and Freemasons serve the Vatican.Photo4.bp.blogspot.com3hMary 4yeshua's profile photoMary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans SAre you BRAIN DAMAGED and can't you read? SHOW ME THE PICTURES OF A FLAT EARTH FROM SPACE!There are LOTS of pictures and even a LIVE FEED from the ISS that clearly shows a SPHERE for our earth!
+Mary 4yeshua You're either a JESUIT or a CIA-agent and in any case TOTALLY INSANE!===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S You're the only fake one here.And you fail to answer any questions.What are you following me for?
+Mary 4yeshua bub bye, SATAN!===Mary 4yeshuaModerator+Hans S Spoken from a child of satan.hmmmmI know who I am. God already told me what He was going to do with me and He has sure kept His Word. hahahaThat makes you a liar and deceiver, OHHH, those are satan's M.O.'s.hmmmm Go figure.And you're the proof of it.You got that 2 master thing you're trying to do and it's making a basket case out of you.
+Kim Rainbow Nice try, but the lunar eclipse isn't caused by a so called BALL earth, but by another celestial body/entity.Flat Earth - Lunar Eclipse: Red and Blue Moon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKhDip7dZwQ===Jace Elwyn😠5hJace Elwyn's profile photoJace Elwyn👍5hGojiratheking106's profile photoGojiratheking106Go back to your bridge, troll2hHans S's profile photoHans S+Gojiratheking106 The truth hurts, Jesuit-controlled satanist.Flat Earth: Jesuits & the Global Conspiracy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WHIr-IFqAoPhoto4.bp.blogspot.com32mKim Rainbow's profile photoKim RainbowPhotohttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LK8QOL_nLbEoxXUa3aof4o5eARHj8iY0w2cUO6UJ1-MbKOPWiGtm5aAYEKvATMsHPfa6Jz7yZ60=w260-h259-n
+Kim Rainbow Fantastic 'argument'....Something else: are you ETERNALLY SAVED by the undeserved GIFT of God's GRACE through faith ALONE in the atoning BLOOD of JESUS Christ?If not: Get saved by the Gospel that SAVES FOREVER! https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/EcUrVEThis goes for you too: +Jace Elwyn and +Gojiratheking106===Kim Rainbow+Hans S LOL
+Gojiratheking106 No, because this NON-EXISTENT entity didn't TALK to me when I was still an ATHEIST!JESUS talked to me and He happens to be GOD!===Gojiratheking106+Hans S But are YOU saved from the fury of the Great White Snake Burloss? Submit to her and enjoy an eternity in the Primordial Jungle of Paradise, or get your soul eaten by the Great Burloss and suffer an eternal digestion!
+Gojiratheking106 You're INSANE yourself so come with better arguments.===Gojiratheking106+Hans S I'm pretty sure that's schizophrenia
+Karl Marx Before October 1, 2016 I would have AGREED with you, because, though I already believed in the GEOCENTRIC model since 2013, I still believed flat earthers are TOTALLY INSANE.===Wes Boyd's profile photoWes BoydThe effects of gravity through mass is omnidirectional...this is obvious when we first began to notice how dust particles coalesce in space...this is also why soap bubbles are round..its the most energy efficient shape.28mKarl Marx's profile photoKarl Marx+1Bah! Come on, +Hans S you can’t believe this crap. Even when you’re high on drugs it’s ludicrous.20mHans S's profile photoHans S+Wes Boyd 'Space' doesn't exist.Try something else, because the earth is FLAT and ROUND with a DOME/FIRMAMENT.https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s3aKTEUntil I watched this video: Scientific EVIDENCE of a Flat Earth http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search?q=scientific+evidence+of+a+flat+earth
+Wes Boyd This is my thread and if you don't have something better than this (😂😂😂) I delete such 'comments' in the future.===Wes Boyd+Hans S 😂😂😂
+Simply Curious That's not an argument because I consider CONVINCED globe earthers mental cases and allies of the devil and the rotten mass-murdering Jesuits.===Simply CuriousI don't know as much as being controlled by satan. But even if you want to be a scientifically illiterate outlet, you don't want to look like a complete moron, believing the Earth is flat.
If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?”https://aplanetruth.info/17-if-a-flat-earth-why-does-the-sun-go-down/
+Antonio DeAguiar I love God-the Lord JESUS Christ, so calling me an 'evil lying atheist' doesn't make sense, don't you think?JESUS is God and the creator:John 1:1-3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.2 This same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.JESUS is THE WORD OF GOD and THUS He's the CREATOR.Furthermore:Isaiah 9:6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.This is about JESUS and He's the COUNSELOR=the HOLY SPIRIT, THE MIGHTY GOD and the EVERLASTING FATHER.YHWH is the Jewish abbreviation of God's name and what is His name?Exodus 3:13-14 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)13 Then Moses said unto God, Behold, when I shall come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you: if they say unto me, What is his Name? what shall I say unto them?14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.Here we read that God's SHORT name is 'I AM'.What does 'JESUS' (from YESHUA) mean?I AM SALVATION.JESUS is God in the capacity of SAVIOR. (or saviour in case you write real English).Anyone that claims that Bible teaches a BALL earth is a blatant liar, that also cannot read with comprehension i.e. has ZERO scholarship.The earth is FLAT!https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/s3aKTE===Hans S+Antonio DeAguiar "You are Biblically and Scientifically illiterate."And you're a very haughty person and you're LOST without JESUS Christ, who created the earth FLAT and ROUND with a FIRMAMENT.60 Bible Verses Describing a Flat Earth Inside a Dome https://flatearthscienceandbible.com/2016/02/09/60-bible-verses-describing-a-flat-earth-inside-a-dome-2/24hAntonio DeAguiar's profile photoAntonio DeAguiar+Hans S Straw man argument evil lying atheist that is willfully ignorant, an anti-intellectual and intellectually dishonest.Did you learn where the flat earth myth came from? It was evil lying atheists like yourself that are scientifically and Biblically illiterate.Jesus is not the creator; his God and Father YHWH is the creator. YHWH means "He who causes things to exist"Anyone that claims that Bible teaches a flat earth is a blatant liar, that also cannot read with comprehension i.e. has ZERO scholarship.I gave passages above in my comment you ignored that teaches that the earth hangs on nothing, has an orbit, spins on an axis, is globular, rotates in the light of the sun and much more thousands of years before modern confirmation. Why are you ignoring these passages and forcing your private interpretations on other passages that YHWH is not the speaker and that is taken out of context.
Mr. Em AaejaeWho lied about the shape of the Earth: God, Jesus, Satan or man?28mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae Photohttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uSXFe0uFCvM/W05qHuHKp3I/AAAAAAAAty4/1d4lW2wVNzwnPO6Ov6B5P92mueH3kUtYACLcBGAs/s1600/Satan%2527s%2BGlobal%2BLie%2B-%2BThe%2BTruth%2Bof%2BGod%2527s%2BEnclosed%2BFlat%2BEarth%2B4.png2mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae Photohttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wbykZ_HyuM4/W05vkCDHx6I/AAAAAAAAtzc/BuEIJTlnEtgi18NAbNvfsn7rrPpbxNn_wCLcBGAs/s1600/Satan%2527s%2BGlobal%2BLie%2B-%2BThe%2BTruth%2Bof%2BGod%2527s%2BEnclosed%2BFlat%2BEarth%2B5.png2mHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae Photohttps://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0D1Ss1u2jDo/W05rAN26PkI/AAAAAAAAtzA/pu4uCPbhzFQTpsmDkvXxiT-VwojKVLDQwCLcBGAs/s640/Satan%2527s%2BGlobal%2BLie%2B-%2BThe%2BTruth%2Bof%2BGod%2527s%2BEnclosed%2BFlat%2BEarth%2B2.png37sHans S's profile photoHans S+Mr. Em Aaejae Photohttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Fsq7MkrdLk0/W05oIau-fwI/AAAAAAAAtyc/c98gUZjvp-0nmpdTt94DdKYR0NGi3X4oACLcBGAs/s1600/Satan%2527s%2BGlobal%2BLie%2B-%2BThe%2BTruth%2Bof%2BGod%2527s%2BEnclosed%2BFlat%2BEarth%2B9.jpg
+Gojiratheking106 It's not forbidden to REJECT God's offer of UNDESERVED GRACE through faith in the atoning BLOOD of JESUS, and no one is able to stop God from casting such FOOLS (being their CREATOR) into His eternal TRASH CAN, the SUPERNATURAL lake of fire, where such rejecters will ETERNALLY regret the fact that they ever existed with their SUPERNATURAL BODIES (like the angels) and BRAINS that can feel PAIN!The SAVED humans will ONLY sense PLEASURE with their similar SUPERNATURAL BODIES and BRAINS in the HEREAFTER.===Gojiratheking106And what's so wrong about not being a purpose to life?
+Simply Curious There is no 'universe'.It's all about our BRAIN:This is the REAL YOU and Satan HATES it! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2016/05/this-is-real-you-and-satan-hates-it.html===Simply CuriousMost of this is emotional appeal. Two fucks the universe cares about your 'feelings'?
+Simply Curious And why do you care about this issue?What motivates you to respond or to want to have the notorious 'last word'?1sHans S's profile photoHans S+Simply Curious Why do you love to use the F-word?Sexuality was created with the best possible intentions: to create new humans out of two people (male, female) who love each other and their maker, while God made the experience also pleasurable.===Simply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans SFine, if you insist.'Two fucks reality cares about your 'feelings'.'
+Simply Curious You want to have some fun? Shall I talk Dutch to you, my native tongue?15mJace Elwyn's profile photoJace Elwyn+1I just screenshoted this. Theres a lot more from this.https://youtu.be/BBZSfpG3Wow===Hans S+Simply Curious Why do you love to use the F-word?Sexuality was created with the best possible intentions: to create new humans out of two people (male, female) who love each other and their maker, while God made the experience also pleasurable.5hSimply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans S Because it adds comedic effect5hSimply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans S Because someone playing something off as a good point, should be shown it not to be.5hSimply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Antonio DeAguiar Learn brevity.And learn to cite claims.5hAntonio DeAguiar's profile photoAntonio DeAguiar+Simply Curious What did you learn? Will my comment cure some falsely held lies and willful ignorance of some?4hIncisive Expert's profile photoIncisive ExpertThanks for making us looking like fucking retards. Really ur a flat earther too? 3hHans S's profile photoHans S+Antonio DeAguiar I deleted your long quote because you had already put that on another thread: https://plus.google.com/106087908907898703754/posts/8Zf3gU2inPS?fscid=z120snhq1rvuxnath22vyrrhkxy2uvxq304.153306851868518722mJace Elwyn's profile photoJace ElwynScience triumphs.Photo20mJace Elwyn's profile photoJace ElwynPhoto20mHans S's profile photoHans S+1+Jace Elwyn Good site: https://aplanetruth.info/Aplanetruth.infoAplanetruth.infoaplanetruth.info17mSimply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Jace Elwyn Mind you give the source? Who published this, what it was on about?As it turns out, in Physics 1 you do physics on a 'flat, nonrotating ' Earth as a good approximation for small scale systems. You assume a constant downward acceleration of g that is uniform. Because it is simple to do and adding curvature adds negligible effect. I suspect that is what they are referring to. But who knows, you need to give a source.
+Simply Curious In other words try to convince me the earth is a SPINNING BALL in 'space'.
+Simply Curious Foucaults pendulum debunked https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Foucaults+pendulum+debunkedNewton debunked https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Newton+debunkedExplain to me why it's required to feel a very centrifugal force on a flat earth while being on a circumnavigating airplane, especially to make the most proper map on a flat earth of azimuthal equidistant projection, near the north poles.
+Simply Curious But that's not how planes fly: they fly in straight lines.You just can't prove the earth is a ball, period.The earth is flat and round with a firmament.
+Simply Curious The flat and round earth is HUGE compared to little humans, and yes, the sun (and the moon) doesn't disappear 'behind the horizon' because it's pulls out of view and with it its LIGHT and RADIATION.Because you reject the Genesis creation account you can't grasp the fact that there was already DAY and NIGHT, LIGHT and DARKNESS BEFORE the sun and the moon and the stars (and planets) were created, because they were created on day FOUR.====Simply Curious's profile photoSimply CuriousI think this deserves to go on what NOT to do in web design.Seriously, how does you get it so wrong?But challenge accepted. Let us start simple. You see the sun set. According to you, we are on a flat plane, so anything above us should be seen in as much as optics allow it, ie, very small and distorted. But in that case, when the sunset is reasonably apparent, we shouldn't expect a SMOOTH and clean, non distorted disappearance behind the Earth. And that is exactly what we see. Now, we can't have the sun going over the Earth and under us, because otherwise, it would go below and cause night for everyone, which isn't what happens due to things like timezones. Hence, since the sun will always have to be above the flat earth, it can't ever disappear behind the horizon. Note, it isn't due to perspective because we are ABOVE the Earth and so to the sun. The vanishing point is thus at infinity.
+Simply Curious The sun became the main source of light during the day AFTER the first three days of creation: Genesis 1:15-19 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 God then made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made also the stars.17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven, to shine upon the earth,18 And to rule in the day, and in the night, and to separate the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.Concerning the sun that SEEMS to disappear 'behind' the horizon: # 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down? aplanetruth.info - # 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?# 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?# 17 If A Flat Earth, Why Does the Sun Go Down?aplanetruth.info1sHans S's profile photoHans S+Karl Marx We don't need physics to understand that the earth is flat: just COMMON SENSE.Brainwashed BRAINS from birth WANT TO see a GLOBE, because they're PROGRAMMED to do so.Photohttps://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fz%2Fbaby-globe-13541766.jpg&u=https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/baby-globe-13541766.jpg===Simply Curious+Hans S So, if it 'pulls out of view', how would this occur on a flat plane? Remember, 'perspective' doesn't help here, as the vanishing point is at infinity, and the effects considered to make it disappear ONLY occur when it is very apparently small and not clear, as then it APPEARS that the bottom disappears. But with the sun, it is relatively large in sight and clearly seen, and there is a SMOOTH disappearance behind the 'horizon'. It can't be the sun 'pulling away'.So, as far as it can be seen, what you are advocating is that the sun ISN'T the source of light, yes?6hKarl Marx's profile photoKarl MarxNoooo-nooo-nooo!Little to none scientific evidence on +William Guzman's page.He simply don't understand physics.4hSimply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Karl Marx Or basic design.
+Simply CuriousOf course I don't believe you ever want to believe the earth is flat, because this destroys your foolish fantasy of 'space', the 'universe', the 'solar system', 'galaxies' etc. and you just need this fantasy in order to live your life as a God-denier who is his own god, determining by himself what is right and wrong, good and evil.Why William Guzman is able to believe in the flat earth REALITY while still remaining to be an ATHEIST is no wonder to me, because I believe ALL people on earth KNEW the earth is flat BEFORE and after the Flood, but most of them were not believing in the God of the Bible, and there are many flat earthers who don't believe in the God of the Bible.Of course you don't believe the Flood ever happened, because you WANT TO believe in the fairy tales of the 'big bang' and 'evolution'.And mind you, I believed in these fairy tales too in the past when I was a God-denier=atheist.You just don't like the idea that there's someone who's MUCH smarter than you and who's watching you 24/7 without having to sleep one second, because you're one of His creations, whether you like it or not, and He's waiting to see what you will DECIDE to believe.You still don't understand that on the flat earth system the sun is relatively SMALL and that the earth is HUGE in comparison to the sun.When it's after sunset the sun has moved so FAR AWAY from us that we're no longer able to perceive its light.===Simply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans S So your objection in terms of sun not being light doesn't matter as we are past the days of creation.And I also explained the problems with the arguments made by that article. If you really believe perspective can cause it, then find a video where the place the camera straight up on the table, hell go to the garage with an open area and do it on the ground or similar, Get said coin, and move it over it, and see if it cleanly disappears behind the horizon. Key point, camera is ON the table because we are ON the supposed flat earth, so to create a consistent model, need this to be so.
+Simply Curious When we see a sunset the light goes through thick layers of atmosphere, that's the reason why the sun seems to be relatively big and then seems to disappear 'behind' the horizon.And it can't disappear 'behind the horizon', because there is NO curvature.Many tests have shown this.Example: FINALLY!!! SCIENTISTS PROVE EARTH IS NOT A GLOBE!!! CHECKMATE!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyEmoh9YbDU===Simply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans S You can continue projecting. However I am more interested in ideas then the person.What exactly is wrong with my counterargument to perspective? I already explained the problem with your explanation.I understand on a flat earth model the sun is small compared to the Earth. However, I don't care how big the Earth is, because the vanishing point is at INFINITY. That is, NO part of the sun should we expect to go below the horizon. So, the argument here has to be it APPEARS to disappear. But this would be due to optical limitations, which occur when the object is relatively small to our eyes, because then our eyes can't properly conceive where the bottom part of the sun is. That isn't what happens, though, as the sun is fully clear as it goes behind the horizon, it has a defined shape. Furthermore, if that were the case, you would expect(you flat earthers love yourself a P900 with ships over horizon as your explanation, eh?) that were you to zoom in on the sun(with a solar filter of course) that you can see the sun again. That ISN'T what happens. Instead, what we see is right after sun set, if you get an elevated position, can see more of the sun again. That hints as the sun going 'behind' something and you getting a better view, rather then the sun going so far you can't see it, as this slightest change in height shouldn't affect how visible the sun is completely. If what you were saying in terms of its light were true, you would expect the sun to get dimmer and dimmer and FADE out of view as it moves farther back as the intensity of the light would decrease. You WON'T see it dip behind the horizon for reasons given. Then, as time progresses, you wouldn't see the sun. However, that isn't what we see. Instead, we see the sun, in full bright action, disappear cleanly behind the horizon.Do I need to draw you a picture or something?
+Simply Curious Your whole concept of earth as a ball is wrong and from there you're reasoning.You want something to read?Then read this: https://aplanetruth.info/17-if-a-flat-earth-why-does-the-sun-go-down/===Simply Curious's profile photoSimply Curious+Hans S Seeing that that video is 1 hour long, why should I trust it, what gives it credibility? A brief synopsis at least? I am going to be completely honest, I am more of a literal, text based guy.Also, I don't think you quite get the reason I am talking about sunsets, because I am here to consider two different models and see which one matches reality. I haven't assumed anything on the stance of curvature as a premise, I have started off on sunsets and have tried to show why a flat earth isn't a sufficient explanation. When you state that 'it can't disappear behind the horizon because there is no curvature' is assuming that which is in question, ie, begging the question. Maybe I should have phrased better. The sun goes 'behind' your 'apparent horizon', ie, the meeting of the sky and the earth. The argument doesn't change.It seems now instead of arguing it is perspective that causes sunsets, it is instead the 'thick layers of atmosphere. Now I have heard this argument before from Rob Skiba, but maybe you are on something different. How exactly would the atmosphere allow the bending of light to cause an apparent sun going downwards
+Simply Curious Flat Earth Perspective Expained-Why the Sun Appears to Rise and Set https://flatearthscienceandbible.com/?s=circle1sHans S's profile photoHans S+Simply Curious A Hundred Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe https://flatearthscienceandbible.com/2017/01/27/a-hundred-proofs-the-earth-is-not-a-globe/===Simply Curious+Hans S Nowhere in my argument did I ever assume a ball Earth. I have merely noted the existence of sunsets, properties we know with it, and so far have been deriving problems with the Flat Earth model. It is you that made a begging the question type assumption as noted in previous comment.I already read it, explained the problems with the video and corrected on how perspective works(the vanishing point is at infinity), and what one should expect to see which we don't, were it to do with perspective.
+Simply Curious It's clear you're too STUPID to understand the flat earth REALITY, and I told you before that believing in this TRUTH doesn't get anybody SAVED, because EVERYBODY with a SOUND MIND knew before and after the Flood that the earth is FLAT and ROUND with a FIRMAMENT, and yet my God ANNIHILATED all such people during the Flood, about SIX BILLION of them, except Noah and his family, because they didn't give a DAMN about their own creator.You will end up in the lake of fire and NOT because you deliberately reject the flat earth truth, and because you deliberately refuse to acknowledge that water always levels, which is FLAT, but because you reject the offer of undeserved GRACE through faith alone in the atoning BLOOD of JESUS Christ, God manifested in the flesh, who died for our sins, who was buried and who rose from the dead on the third day, according to the scriptures.Your name is not Simply Curious.Bye, liar.===Simply Curious+Hans S (On its argument on perspective to the first link)What they don't seem to realize with those pictures is that those 'apparent' finite lines(in 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 6th pictures) are actually only fully traced when the sun 'actually' goes out to infinity from there.Hence, since the sun clearly isn't going to infinity and back, the sun shouldn't get to the vanishing point and thus shouldn't 'vanish'.Do I need to show an animation of this? A mathematical proof? A drawing/diagram?The 3rd image fails to actually show the light causing it to appear to disappear behind the meeting of the 'wall' and 'floor', as should be done with the 'sky' and 'earth'(the horizon).The 7th and 8th image they give doesn't account for things like glare. They should get a solar filter and do the test again, though as it happens, when you do account for it, the sun stays basically the same size.The 9th image doesn't show anything, the 10th image once again doesn't account for glare, but also fails to note, funnily enough with all the talk about, a fundamental concept of 'perspective'. Parallel lines going outwards will appear to converge, or from a point of meeting, will go to you in a diverging manner. From the 'sun' then, parallel lines will appear to diverge... these are crepuscular rays.The 11th image doesn't elaborate on what scientific principle necessitates water to be level under various forces(indeed, there ISN'T 1, all that needs to happen is the water goes towards hydro-static equilibrium).
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