zondag 12 mei 2013

Satan's Great Scheme?

Satan's Great Scheme


1) The Bible speaks of the schemes of the devil (Eph. 6:11) and teachings that originate from demons (1 Tim. 4:1). Such doctrines will always be designed to counter Bible truth and lead precious souls away from the Lord Jesus Christ. 2) So-called "study Bibles" contain notes in them that were written by uninspired man. These notes are not always an aid but an actual hindrance to Christianity when they express the teaching of eternal security. The devil has been successful in deceiving many through such notes. You would be much better off to get a Bible with no "notes," but one which only has related Scripture verses linked together. Such will help protect you from many of the false doctrines being pushed upon us in our dark day.


3) Just because a friendly, respectable, smooth-talking and popular preacher is on TV or the radio doesn't mean he's teaching the real gospel message. It is most alarming that people dare to associate once saved always saved (OSAS) with the gospel or grace and it has not only been done, but sadly, even widely accepted by many who own Bibles.

4) The venomous, so-called "gospel" from OSAS teachers Standey and MacDarthur in our cartoon strip are actual teachings that have gone over the air or put in books to potentially millions of people. There is no way to know how many acts of immorality have been committed such as adultery, suicide and criminal acts because of these and others just like them. Sadly, their demonic message has already spread around the world and deceived multiple millions.

5) Many congregations are nothing more than religious social clubs where people have dinners together and visit certain attractions, just like in the world. In contrast, a New Testament congregation is to be a spiritual training camp to equip the saints for various good deeds and evangelism as well as a spiritual hospital for the people to get spiritual medicine and treatment to be healed and revived. Christians are to work in the vineyard and sacrifice for the sake of souls. You will be held responsible for your time, money, knowledge, abilities and opportunities that God has allowed you to work with now to bring forth fruit for the Kingdom of God. You are to use these in your battle for eternity in a most diligent way.

6) To support OSAS, the teachers of such have often: (1) taken Scripture out of context such as what they do with Jn. 10:28, etc.; (2) reason from the natural to the spiritual such as saying, "You will always be your father's child regardless how bad your behavior may become"; (3) misrepresent Christians who hold to a conditional security by saying something like, "They are teaching a ‘works salvation'" or are "denying we are saved by grace." These and other objections are nothing but distortions of the facts.

7) True Christians in the past have been deceived and led away from God by false teachers. See 2 Tim. 2:18 cf. Rom. 16:17,18; 2 Cor. 11:3,4; Col. 2:18; etc. It is nothing less than vital to learn the message of the Bible for ourselves and cleave to it above any other message that might come our way over TV, radio, in books, through dreams, visions, prophecies, experiences, angels, testimonies, feelings, miracles, etc. The Bible is God's eternal word and our standard for spiritual truth. Your eternal destiny depends on what you do with the message of the Bible.

8) All Christians are to be WARNING others not to sin. That doesn't mean just the wicked but also the righteous:


Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, he will surely live because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself. (Ezek. 3:20-21)


"But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked man does, will he live? None of the righteous things he has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness he is guilty of and because of the sins he has committed, he will die. "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' Hear, O house of Israel: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits sin, he will die for it; because of the sin he has committed he will die. (Ezek. 18:24-26)


If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but then he trusts in his righteousness and does evil, none of the righteous things he has done will be remembered; he will die for the evil he has done. (Ezek. 33:13)


If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, he will die for it.
And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so. Yet, O house of Israel, you say, 'The way of the Lord is not just.' But I will judge each of you according to his own ways." (Ezek. 33:18-20)
A warning not to sin or you will die spiritually can be a life-sustaining blessing for the righteous, who heed the warning. The eternal security teachers of our day are not able to declare a warning of this magnitude for it contradicts their doctrine. This alone shows their teaching is not from God.

Again, the righteous will continue to live because "he took warning" and did not do evil. So it isn't because he is eternally secure even if he turns to evil that he will continue to live, but only because he refrained from evil. On the other hand, if he would turn to occasional acts of adultery, drunkenness, theft, slander, etc., then he would not continue to live, but would die spiritually. Sadly, some so-called "shepherds" who reject the OSAS teaching are really poisoning the sheep and not feeding them truth by stating that occasional acts of adultery, drunkenness, theft, homosexuality, etc. won't cause loss of salvation. To them it must be "lifestyle." In some ways, they can do more harm to a Christian than an OSAS teacher.

Remember, sin can bring the righteous to their death and will keep the wicked in a spiritually dead condition. Your worst enemy, the devil, tempts you to sin because of what it does, but he also tries to conceal its deadly potential through the OSAS teaching and those who say your sin must be "lifestyle" for you to be unsaved. 


Eens gered altijd gered?

  


 

Once Saved, Always Saved

 

 

 

DAVID J STEWART

 


33 opmerkingen:

  1. J Wing
    4:39 PM

    +Hans S Uh I don't think you can say people who commit suicide didn't love Jesus.
    Remember salvation is NOT BASED ON OUR OWN EFFORTS. Eph2:8-9

    If salvation or staying saved was based on our efforts nobody would stay saved.

    Our assurance of salvation depends solely on accepting Jesus work on the cross that God deemed more than adequate to save everyone in the world.

    Now being cowardly might not please Jesus as we don't take a stand for Him, but remember Jesus said this:
    Mark 3:28-29
    28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS SHALL BE FORGIVEN unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

    So is the sin of suicide forgiven, you bet.

    Hans S
    4:58 PM
    +J Wing
    We absolutely do not agree on this!

    A believer who commits suicide says in fact to JESUS: 'you are NOT able to save me and to help me with my problems!'.

    It's a very EVIL ACT!

    Many 'Gospel of Grace' adherents will be SURPRISED at the moment of the RAPTURE, because JESUS will REJECT those who believe in Him, but WHO DON'T LOVE HIM!!!

    Revelation 3:16 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    16 Therefore because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, it will come to pass, that I shall spew thee out of my mouth.

    And how do we prove that we love Him?

    By DOing what He says!

    Many 'Gospel of Grace' and 'once saved, always saved' adherents have turned salvation into a COLD, MATHEMATICAL FORMULA which God MUST OBEY, or He (so they say) isn't fit to be God and a liar.

    God-the LORD JESUS is a PERSON and people who don't LOVE Him are NOT His FRIENDS, even when they BELIEVE in Him.

    I've experienced 'Gospel of Grace' and 'once saved, always saved' adherents who were just as EVIL to me as UNBELIEVERS, and some of them are also JEW-HATERS!

    According to your 'Gospel of Grace' and 'once saved, always saved'-LAW they should be welcomed in heaven.

    JESUS has no JERKS among His FRIENDS!

    FORGIVEN and CHANGED JERKS, YES, but not people who still are JERKS, even though they believe in JESUS.

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  2. Hans S
    7:48 PM

    +J Wing I don't agree with you!

    "there is really no sin bad enough that can't be forgiven"

    UNBELIEF is the ultimate sin!

    Suicide perpetrators act(ed) out of UNBELIEF.

    Suicide isn't just a 'bad work': it's a CRIME.

    Satan wanted JESUS to commit suicide by jumping off the temple:

    Luke 4:9-12 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    9 Then he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the Temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence,
    10 For it is written, That he will give his Angels charge over thee to keep thee:
    11 And with their hands they shall lift thee up, lest at anytime thou shouldest dash thy foot against a stone.
    12 And Jesus answered, and said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    Once saved, always saved is close to UNIVERSALISM and adherents of this MADNESS believe that even Satan will be forgiven.

    BELIEVING ON JESUS isn't enough to be saved: in case people don't LOVE JESUS and their fellow man, they are just as rotten as unbelievers.

    Many American believers in JESUS own guns: they are prepared to KILL others and thus they aren't willing to LOVE their enemies, which JESUS wants them to do.

    They are no different than unbelievers!

    I'm not a CHURCH-person and more than 32 years after my surrender to JESUS I'm still shaking my head about what CHURCH-FOLKS believe in.

    The WORST MORONS I've met in my life were CHURCH-PEOPLE who believe in JESUS.

    One of them called me worse than Satan and another one called me a pig and another called me a demon, and others who believe they are 'once saved, always saved' have blocked me.

    Now I now this can happen, but JESUS wants us to repent, but these believers (except one) never asked forgiveness for their disgusting remarks.

    Then there are once saved, always saved-believers who are outright NAZIS and JEW-HATERS.

    But according to you it doesn't matter what people say or do: as long as they believe they are saved, they can come away with ANYTHING.

    Are you sure Satan himself isn't the author of this doctrine?

    I could walk into a church and kill everybody with hand-grenades and bullets from an automatic gun, just because I had a bad experience with some fellow believers or a pastor.
    But because I'm once saved, always saved, I'll still make it into heaven, even if I blow the last bullet through my own head....according to 'once saved, always saved'.

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    1. I think I'm going to teach this doctrine to the CIA-killers of ISIS: believe on JESUS and then MURDER EVERYBODY, including yourself and you'll make it into heaven, because JESUS has become INSANE!

      Of course the above is SARCASM!
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      J Wing
      5:15 PM

      +Hans S While I appreciate your enthuiasm. You must realize Rev3:16 saying I wish you were HOT (saved) or cold (unsaved) indicates that this church is riding the fence and has not accepted Jesus as savior.

      The Bible is pretty clear that if you BELIEVE ON JESUS, there is really no sin bad enough that can't be forgiven.

      The only thing bad works will get you is a lost of rewards but you are still saved. To prove this point, I'll point to Paul.
      1 Corinthians 3:15 (GNV)
      If any man’s work burn, he shall lose, but HE SHALL BE SAVED HIMSELF: nevertheless yet as it were by the fire.

      Notice the person is still saved but basically by the skin of his teeth.
      Let look at some more verses that assures our salvation.
      Revelation 3:5
      He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

      So who is an overcomer. Non-Jerks? non-Lukewarms?
      NOT ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
      1 John 5:5
      Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

      So you believe on Jesus, you are saved. Yes suicide ain't great but you are still saved. Sorry the Bible is quite clear. None of us deserve Grace and none of us can keep it in our own power. That is why it has to be GIVEN to us and Jesus said once received we can't lose it.

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  3. +J Wing
    What are you talking about trusting in works to save people?
    And why did you say 'sorry'?


    Read this and know why I don't agree with you:

    1) The Bible speaks of the schemes of the devil (Eph. 6:11) and teachings that originate from demons (1 Tim. 4:1). Such doctrines will always be designed to counter Bible truth and lead precious souls away from the Lord Jesus Christ. 2) So-called "study Bibles" contain notes in them that were written by uninspired man. These notes are not always an aid but an actual hindrance to Christianity when they express the teaching of eternal security. The devil has been successful in deceiving many through such notes. You would be much better off to get a Bible with no "notes," but one which only has related Scripture verses linked together. Such will help protect you from many of the false doctrines being pushed upon us in our dark day.

    Source: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/05/satans-great-scheme.html

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    1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yes, and?
      You know very well I'm not a Catholic, so why do you give this example?

      I've established that you and +J Wing are dangerously close to UNIVERSALISM, which is SATANISM, because adherents of this false doctrine believe that God will eventually even forgive Satan!
      I have dealt with such people on the Dutch internet, and they were the worst kinds of believers I've ever met.
      Before that I couldn't even imagine that such people exist.
      One of them is a TRANSGENDER who tried to DESTROY me!

      God-the LORD JESUS will NOT reward SUICIDE!

      +J Wing
      He's HAPPY with people who love Him so much UNTIL DEATH, and then you believe He will be HAPPY with those who DISTRUST Him so much in their agony and ANGER and DISBELIEF that they decided to MURDER themselves, instead of waiting and relying on His help??

      I leave the judgement to Him, but to say they are saved, because they were believers, is MADNESS!

      This sound like this to me: "LISTEN GOD, YOU MUST GIVE MERCY TO SUICIDE PERPETRATORS WHO WERE BELIEVERS IN YOU OR ELSE YOU ARE LYING AGAINST YOURSELF, ACCORDING TO OUR THEOLOGY of the GOSPEL OF GRACE".

      The criterion is ALWAYS 'DO YOU REALLY LOVE ME???', what JESUS asked Peter after he had denied Him three times in public.

      Now, tell me: do/did suicide perpetrators who used to believe in JESUS, REALLY LOVE JESUS?

      LOVE is not the issue, you say: IT'S ABOUT THE LAW OF GRACE!!

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      J Wing
      12:29 AM
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      +Hans S I think you are confusing with what sounds good with what the Bible says. Let me ask you this. If you were to get a GIFT from someone what do you need to do to keep the gift?

      Salvation is a gift of God, according to Eph2:8-9. So there for what do you need to keep it?

      So why are you insisting Christians need to WORK to keep this gift of God? God says many times over He will not take back his gift.
      Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.

      This means salvation will never be taken back PERIOD. You are saying just the opposite. That if we don't perform or we sin God will take back salvation. That is unBiblical.

      That said James said the works after being saved should match the faith. But the works do not keep you saved. Ironic you point to Ezekiel which was written to Old Testament Israel which was an agreement of you do this and you will stay my people and trying unsuccessfully to apply it to the Church age of grace which is PERMANENT salvation regardless of good works or bad works.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:20 AM




      +Hans S Catholics believe suicide is a mortal sin, catholics categorize sins and they have no right to do so, catholics are wrong.
      Catholics believe in a Purgatory where you will pay for your last sins because Jesus only opened a door to eternal life, this is all contrary to what the Bible has to say about it.

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  4. +therealm 7
    You're an advocate of the DEVIL!
    SUICIDE is EVIL and giving in to Satan's LIES.


    From your 'logic' I'm ALLOWED TO BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT, because I believe in JESUS!

    Then your 'jesus' will still FORGIVE ME!

    Your 'jesus' is INSANE!!!!

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    therealm 7
    4:52 AM




    The bible says that NOTHING shall separate us from the Love of God. NOTHING! Once we receive Jesus as Savior and Lord NOTHING can keep us apart from Him. Not even the things we think shouldn't happen. God is BIGGER than suicide. Suicide is horrible yes--but is no different than all other sin including molestation, murder, drug addiction or homosexuality which Jesus Christ has overcome. He's King and Lord over this side and the other. This testimony might help you. There was a beautiful teen who was captured and imprisoned by a perpetrator who kept her chained and locked up in his basement. The wicked and perverted things he did to her brought her SHAME so deep and unthinkable that when she was finally released she could not shake or overcome what had happened to her. (Note: she is NOT you or me--so don't judge things before its appointed time!) She ended up taking her own life. Yes! She committed SUICIDE! Her mother was broken up by this whole affair and while sitting in church she heard the Father say to her, "Don't worry--she's with me" and was uplifted by the immense Grace, Love, and Mercy of the Father. This is personal Revelation Knowledge from Heaven's Realm that you aren't aware of or clued in about because you don't take the time to seek God for those answers and to intimately WAIT upon Him for Heavenly Solutions and Divine Insight. Let's not spend time erroneously judging Kat Kerr or make the mistake by blaspheming God's servant whom He's chosen to Reveal truths that we need answers to and what's important on His heart from His Throne Room by calling the things of God of the Devil.
    Sejus Mai
    5:14 AM




    +Horses4life1001 it sounds like your saying Gods forgivness is limited?

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    1. +therealm 7 "Stop being in JUDGMENT OF OTHERS"

      Are you preaching to yourself?
      What's your name and show me your face.

      Within the Body of Christ JESUS, women are allowed to preach to the unbelievers, to children and to fellow female believers, but not to a mixed gathering/congregation/assembly of male and female believers.

      Who says so?
      God-the Lord JESUS says so through the Apostle Paul.
      Hans S
      11:29 PM




      +slickrr69 1 John 1:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      Born again, saved followers of JESUS are in fact forgiven of all of their sins, but in case we sin again we acknowledge it to God-the Lord JESUS, agree with Him that it was wrong and then BELIEVE that it had already been forgiven.
      But God-the Lord JESUS, through His Holy Spirit, allows Satan's accusations in order to motivate His children to repent by acknowledging their sins
      Repentance is a work of the Holy Spirit.

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      therealm 7
      Yesterday 6:23 AM




      +Hans S It's time for you to WALK IN THE SUPERNATURAL LOVE OF THE FATHER. God is BIG. Nor does He feel threatened or FALL OFF HIS THRONE by women being in ministry with pink hair. His Realm is NOT ABOUT FEAR OR BEING IN IT. It is about possibilities. He uses ALL who are worthy to be hand picked and chosen by Him which Ms. Kerr has proven herself to be. Stop being in JUDGMENT OF OTHERS and develop and discipline yourself in the LOVE OF GOD which is what people will be attracted to. Bask in His Presence...Learn of His Mysteries...find heavenly solutions, divine insight, and midnight reversals in the Secret Place of the Most High. Use your anger and religious dogmatic attitude and direct it towards demons and ruling principalities to Reverse the darkness in the Earth and learn how pull down strongholds and unleash the Sovereignty and Majesty of the Most High in those areas. Bless you.
      Sejus Mai
      12:19 AM




      +therealm 7 you say gods realm isn't about fear ? Then why do these people who claim to be in Gods presence always seem to talk about threats of hell then ?

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    2. slickrr69
      8:22 PM




      To answer your question, is my point of view only-here. Every person is either saved or not. Heaven or Hell. In my unsaved past, I feared nothing because Satan was controlling so big. my body was hot all the time, and i had my family and close friends telling me my eyes looked evil and my presence presented evil, as well. So fear was not an issue, cause i did not give a dam. Once saved, I felt cleansed. I mean, I felt lighter, a huge weight lifted off of my actual physical body. and for my spiritual part, I felt a chill go over my body, a tingle, like i threw up a big bad thing. I knew i was healed by God. I was no longer being controlled by Satan. But....my knew life with the Holy Spirit still had bad things in my path. God just helps me go through my path easier. Yes, Satan still trys to take me back. But it is up to the individual to keep going toward God, to keep feeling the Good, the blessed feeling, trusting self, and trusting God to help me grow. So your question is "why people fear, or fear hell, or the issue of hell"... My opinion, is that from my past experience of being in that bad cult. i knew i had the bad power and no fear was there. Now, i know i have the power that my Heavenly Father gave me and still gives me. I have to say fear is there, at times. Because, the whole society, the whole world, nation wide........Satan was an Angel, and God condemned him to hell for disobeying him. So Satan is powerful, but wait. not all that though. Satan only can provoke evil to human race through, TV, Radio, Internet, Phones, media, and actually through people that work for him. Also, wait now....God, heals, loves, forgives, directs his followers to the good in life. But if a Christian fails backwards away from God. Then God stops giving goodness or/and healing to his Christian Child. Then, Satan comes in stronger, and the fallen Christian feels fear. and this fear is a little strong because God is not there to intervene. I hope you understand.

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  5. +J Wing
    Hey listen: JESUS, not the MILKMAN, or the POSTMAN
    , saved me more than 32 years ago, and He happens to be God almighty, so who do you think you are, while you don't dare to show your face?

    We just don't agree on the issue of SUICIDE concerning GRACE, and I wonder whether you have read this with which I agree: Satan's Great Scheme https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/05/satans-great-scheme.html

    JESUS is GOD and if He wants to CHANGE HIS MIND, then He changes His mind, because He's NOT a computer program!

    Where's the FEAR of God?

    Many 'once saved, always saved' adherents are so incredibly ARROGANT.

    I don't want to spend eternity with ARROGANT and DISHONEST people and with people who look DOWN on me.

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist You gave J Wing a + so this is for you too.
    Hans S
    9:34 PM




    +J Wing "The Holy Spirit comes to you when you BELIEVE and stays with you FOREVER. So you are sealed and saved FOREVER."

    Not true: faith itself is a GIFT, but one must ASK for the Holy Spirit, WHO is JESUS in spiritual capacity.

    Matthew Henry Commentary
    11:5-13 Christ encourages fervency and constancy in prayer. We must come for what we need, as a man does to his neighbour or friend, who is kind to him. We must come for bread; for that which is needful. If God does not answer our prayers speedily, yet he will in due time, if we continue to pray. Observe what to pray for; we must ask for the Holy Spirit, not only as necessary in order to our praying well, but as all spiritual blessings are included in that one. For by the influences of the Holy Spirit we are brought to know God and ourselves, to repent, believe in, and love Christ, and so are made comfortable in this world, and meet for happiness in the next. All these blessings our heavenly Father is more ready to bestow on every one that asks for them, than an indulgent parent is to give food to a hungry child. And this is the advantage of the prayer of faith, that it quiets and establishes the heart in God.

    http://biblehub.com/luke/11-13.htm
    Hans S
    9:37 PM




    +J Wing
    Oh, and in case you think I'm ARROGANT: I'm the greatest FAILURE in HISTORY, so I have absolutely NO REASON to be PROUD.

    But I'm VERY JESUS=GOD-ASSURED!

    I'm very PROUD of JESUS!!
    JESUS is my PRIDE!

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    sheila shaver
    7:34 AM
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    You know what would surprise me? If he opened the bible and read it.
    Hans S
    10:36 AM
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    +sheila shaver
    He knows the Bible much better than most believers, but from LUCIFER's point of view!

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    12:41 We are saved by GRACE ALONE, through FAITH ALONE, in CHRIST ALONE, according to SCRIPTURE ALONE, all for the GLORY of GOD ALONE!
    J Wing
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    +Hans S You seem to have it correct here that salvation is by grace alone THROUGH FAITH alone in Christ alone.

    Now why don't you get it that its Forever?
    Ephesians 1:12-13
    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise,

    John 14:26
    But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    John 14:16
    And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you FOR EVER;

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    1. The Holy Spirit comes to you when you BELIEVE and stays with you FOREVER. So you are sealed and saved FOREVER.

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  6. +J Wing
    'it seems you don't understand'


    What an ARROGANT way of talking to me!
    WHO are you and what do you look like and how old are you?
    Do you really think that the internet is an EXCUSE to be DISHONEST and NON-transparent, as if JESUS isn't here, but only in real life?

    I believe JESUS has the same principle as me: those who don't LOVE me are NOT my friends!

    Is someone a friend of JESUS who has chosen NOT to TRUST in Him and to be his or her own JUDGE and JURY and EXECUTIONER?

    I give JESUS the RIGHT to cast me into His GARBAGE CAN, the lake of fire, should I be so STUPID to do something like that!

    PS: I know what Joyce and 'Atheism is Madness' look like.

    Hans S
    10:04 PM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Just read this article: Satan's Great Scheme https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/05/satans-great-scheme.html

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    J Wing
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    +Hans S Again it seems you don't understand when Jesus said ALL SINS are forgiven, that included people murdering themselves. Is any sin greater than another? So in your book Jesus was LYING then when said ALL SINS are forgiven? Mind listing which ones that do not fall under ALL SINS?

    People who believe in Jesus can not unbelieve in Jesus. How does one get UNBORN. The Bible says while we were YET SINNERS, Christ died for us. Does that sound like our salvation is based on OUR LOVE?

    Heck no It has NOTHING to do with our love or our sins. Christ died to save us while we HADN'T even known who He was. THAT IS GRACE.

    Let's see what the Bible says saves:
    Ephesians 2:8-9
    8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.
    Acts 16:31
    31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    So yes believing on Jesus saves and nothing, not even suicide, changes that. Its NOT OF WORKS. So your holiness has nothing to do with you being saved.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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    +Hans S EXCEPT FOR WHAT HANS?

    Hans S4:36 AM+1

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    ((((12:41 We are saved by GRACE ALONE, through FAITH ALONE, in CHRIST ALONE, according to SCRIPTURE ALONE, all for the GLORY of GOD ALONE!)))


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  7. SO WHERE ARE THE EXCEPTIONS?? WHAT IS THE SCRIPTURE AUTHORITY FOR GOD TAKING BACK ETERNAL LIFE???
    Shaleen Schroeder
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    God knows what's in our hearts and only He has the right to judge what is in our hearts! Because He is the one who truly knows! He will say which soul will go to Heaven and which soul will not enter��You can debate this till the cows come home and it's good to discuss the Bible��The Holy Spirit will be your guide and your comforter! If a person truly believes ( which only God knows our hearts) he will go to Heaven and that is promised by our Lord! He died and Rose again to save our souls and that is the Greatest Gift that has been bestowed on us His children! You can work for rewards in Heaven but Everlasting life is a gift from our Father in Heaven✝��✝ Praise God Almighty for He is the beginning and the end✝��✝
    Atheism is Madness
    8:02 PM




    I agree. I don't understand everything, but I am more and more believing that some people at birth are born tears. They will never be saved only God knows who will. I don't get it completely but it's true. Example. The first time I watched the passion of the Christ I wasn't living a devoted life at that time. But I left that theater weeping and sickly. I had to exuse myself a couple times to compose myself. Others weren't moved at all. I think there's alot more that happened in heaven in the past we just don't understand until we get there. We know God knew us all before creation was even made, it makes me wonder why some are given a chance to repent by choice and some never will by choice. I'll stop there, I think you get my point. 
    J Wing
    8:57 PM




    +Atheism is Madness Well remember God gives everyone the choice to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE. God never makes the choice for us but PREKNOWS what we will choose because He is God.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    9:04 PM




    +Atheism is Madness Whosoever will...

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  8. +Shaleen Schroeder
    This issue is a person who believes in JESUS Christ who has committed suicide.

    Will this person still be saved?
    Those who say YES think that JESUS will also forgive His own traitor JUDAS who hanged himself.
    Judas did not only BELIEVE in JESUS: he knew Him very personally.
    Peter also knew JESUS very personally, but he didn't hang himself after he had shamefully denied his master in public.

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  9. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I'm not arrogant but direct and you have a problem with men like me!

    You like to be the boss yourself.
    Btw: boss derives from the Dutch word BAAS https://translate.google.nl/#en/nl/boss

    I'm 56 and my ex is now 61 and she also wanted to be in charge.
    My best friend, apart from JESUS, is a sister who's 20 years older than me and she's also an ex-atheist.

    She has NEVER called me arrogant.

    We AGREE on eternal salvation, but if you believe you'll be saved after you've committed suicide, then we DON'T agree.

    My ex and I agree on this.
    Hans S
    10:46 PM




    +J Wing Committing suicide isn't the same as a sin which we can CONFESS to God-the Lord JESUS AFTER remorse and repentance and repentance is NOT a work but something which the Holy Spirit generates.

    After the deed of suicide it's TOO LATE to repent.

    JESUS wants us to REPENT: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=GNV&quicksearch=repent&startnumber=61

    We simply do not agree, so don't try to convince me.

    I've had exactly the same type of discussions with church-people on the Dutch internet and many of them also think that suicide will be forgiven.
    Hans S
    11:01 PM




    +J Wing "PS: For your info I don't have my face because 1) the message of salvation is not about me and 2) I have little children that I want to protect 3) salvation has nothing to do with guts and glory as I stay saved no matter how little or how much I want to do for God."

    I have good contact with this sister and she has little children too and she's not ashamed to show her face to the whole world: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/if-you-want-everlasting-life-it-can.html

    It's not about 'guts and glory', but about HONESTY and TRANSPARENCY.

    When JESUS was on earth He was looking for REAL FRIENDS.
    I'm doing the same.

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    J Wing
    9:45 PM




    +Hans S Uh Han God doesn't change His mind!! Just where do you get these unBiblical assumptions about God?
    Malachi 3:6
    For I am the Lord: I CHANGE NOT, and ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    This is precisely why when God gives the free gift of salvation, He won't change His mind later and take it away because of some bonehead thing we do, even if it is suicide.

    God is not a man that He changes his mind.

    Uh sorry wrong again the verses I quoted you said you BELIEVE and you get the Holy Spirit. You don't have to ask for it AND it stays with you FOREVER. So the seal of the Holy Spirit never leaves you, so how can you get unsaved. Think it over.
    Ephesians 1:12-14
    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
    13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye HEARD the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye BELIEVED, ye were SEALED with that Holy Spirit of promise,


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  10. Notice clearly you heard, BELIEVED and were SEALED by the Holy Spirit. No asking needed.

    You assume arrogance when we are simply correcting with Bible verses your wrong assumption that the Bible doesn't say once saved always saved. Thankfully it does. And why so angry? Could it be that you might be wrong about that one nonsalvation issue?

    PS: For your info I don't have my face because 1) the message of salvation is not about me and 2) I have little children that I want to protect 3) salvation has nothing to do with guts and glory as I stay saved no matter how little or how much I want to do for God.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    10:10 PM




    +Hans S Faith is not a gift, that is catholicism too and that is a Calvinist false doctrine, the Calvinist reformers still had a lot of false catholic doctrine to break free from.

    Yes you are arrogant, by your slander and name labeling and flying off the handle

    And judging people you don't even know that well. You don't know our hearts. You go around calling people satanic and insane, I have seen it a lot, everywhere you go, and you wonder why people have a problem with you? Seriously?

    But the Bible doesn't change, and the free gift is ETERNAL LIFE and RIGHTEOUSNESS, not ours but the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST.

    And nothing can separate us from the love of God and we have the Holy Spirit as OUR EARNEST, do you know what that means? We have the Holy Spirit as our guarantee UNTIL THE REDEMPTION OF THE PURCHASE POSSESSION

    Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. Ephesians 1:14

    NO IF'S AND'S OR BUT'S ...nothing added and God says ETERNAL IS ETERNAL.
    J Wing
    10:13 PM




    +Hans S Arrogance hasn't crossed my mind. But I notice you are WAAAAY too angry especially when you have only a few verses supporting your point of view that salvation is losable. You say you are the greatest failure? Could it be possible that you might be wrong on salvation not being permanent?

    I mean you got the salvation by grace THROUGH FAITH alone in Christ alone down pat. But you've got the loseable salvation that cults and Catholicism preaches in there too which is wrong and serves only to ENSLAVE people to try to work their way to Heaven.

    The Bible clearly says salvation is not by works and so that leaves FAITH ALONE in Christ. Nothing more is needed to be saved and stay saved.

    And if you think you or other can keep themselves sinless then guess again. For to be good enough to even earn part of our salvation, we would have to be PERFECT in Thoughts, Motives, Intents, & Deeds at all times. Are you? Am I? How could we be? We can't. So therefore we Suicide is just as bad.

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  11. +Shaleen Schroeder
    This what I believe: God is JESUS and JESUS is God and He DROWNED about SIX BILLION people during the Flood, except Noah and his family.


    During 1 2 0 YEARS He gave them time to REPENT, but they refused.

    So then He committed His TERRIBLE JUDGEMENT and He DESTROYED THEM ALL!

    Now: among those people were MANY small children and also babies in and out of the womb of their mothers.

    Do I believe they are LOST?

    NO, because JESUS LOVES the small children!

    There are even children who commit suicide.

    They listen to SATAN who wants us all to commit (spiritual) suicide.

    Satan HATES us all and he loves to inflict PAIN in God's heart, every time he 'succeeds' in persuading people to commit suicide.

    Only those who are able to deliberately do the act of SELF MURDER (that's how we call it in Dutch) will be held responsible.

    SMALL CHILDREN still have a NORMAL instinct and they can't think of the option suicide, even if their situation is (VERY) BAD: http://youtubetrash.blogspot.nl/2016/04/reflections-in-night.html

    First there is the THOUGHT and then there is the DEED.

    All judgement belongs to God-the Lord JESUS, but I fear the worst for those who have committed suicide.

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    Shaleen Schroeder
    10:42 PM




    +Hans S I don't know the answer to the suicide debate! I was brought up to believe that if a person commits suicide they would go straight to hell! I think that God is the decision maker on that and He calls the shots✝I believe now that if a believer commits suicide God looks at the whole picture and looks deep into that persons heart and then The Good Lord makes that judgement! I don't think it's so cut and dry like you believe but I truly respect your opinion because you are my Brother in Christ and you have your beliefs! I think God looks into the deepest parts of our soul and our hearts! So do I think that everyone that commits that terrible act goes to hell? No I don't but what do I know! Only God knows��✝��Praise God Almighty for He is GOOD✨
    Shaleen Schroeder
    10:59 PM




    +Hans S I have a question for you and I won't judge your answer I am just curious! If a Teenager that's a believer gets bullied at school and commits that act of violence towards them selves do you think that young bullied believing teenager will go to hell?
    Shaleen Schroeder
    11:00 PM




    +Hans S Take your time��

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  12. +J Wing
    I have no problem because I love JESUS and JESUS loves me and there's not opportunity to repent after having committed suicide.


    If you think repentance is a work instead of being receptive to God's will, then we believe in a different JESUS!

    To me you're close to being an universalist.

    Pope Francis is an UNIVERSALIST and 'Obama' too.

    They think that even Satan will be forgiven, so they can do whatever they want, because 'it's all God's plan and responsibility', even if they serve LUCIFER!

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    J Wing
    11:19 PM




    +Hans S The problem is you think people need to keep repenting of sins to stay saved. Have you ever forgotten to repent of a sin? Thats why you think suicide will land you in Hell.

    You see Repentance of Sins requires work to stay away from sins and to resist. And so people who feel they are less sinful than others they become extremely PROUD in themselves.

    Well Repentance doesn't save anyone. Judas repented of his sin and yet Jesus said Judas was lost.
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/repenting-doesnt-save.html

    Also we have a whole bunch of people who died unrepentant sinners that the Bible indicates were saved. Solomon was the most obvious one.
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/backslider-hall-of-fame.html

    But you see they stayed saved because they BELIEVED on God like Abraham did. So you have some problems defending repentance based salvation. This would explain why you are so angry at me.

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  13. +J Wing
    MAN, what NONSENSE!
    Judas did NOT repent!

    Judas felt very BAD about himself and he thought he couldn't be forgiven, because that's what Satan told him.

    Repentance is being generated by God-the Lord JESUS.

    God-the Lord JESUS can OPEN and CLOSE hearts.

    He closed the heart of Pharaoh.

    See how MANY times JESUS preached about REPENTANCE and mind you that JESUS is God, so He's also the God of the Old testament and He also speaks through His Apostles: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=REPENTANCE&qs_version=GNV

    https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=GNV&quicksearch=REPENTANCE&startnumber=24

    During the coming Time of Jacob's Trouble there will be a time of 5 months in which the DAMNED will WANT TO commit suicide, but DEATH will flee from them so that they won't be able to do it.

    That will be their PUNISHMENT!

    People who THINK of suicide are UNWISE because they listen to Satan, but as long as they don't act on it they still have the opportunity to repent and reconcile with God-the Lord JESUS.

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    J Wing
    11:36 PM




    +Hans S Nope Noah's ark was not about repenting of sin. It was about BELIEVING GOD when He said thru Noah's ark building that He would cause it to rain enough to float a big massive boat. People were lost because they scoffed and DIDN'T BELIEVE God (Jesus).

    This is the SAME CHOICE ALL MANKIND is given:
    Mark 16:16 (GNV) [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
    He that shall BELIEVE and be baptized, shall be SAVED: but he that will NOT BELIEVE, shall be DAMNED.

    Repentance doesn't save anyone. Judas repented of his sin and died unsaved because he didn't believe on JESUS.

    PS: so do you think if they had the thought of suicide but didn't act on it that they'd be sinless??

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  14. +J Wing
    I've never asserted you ARE an universalist, but that you are CLOSE to this school of thought.


    Judas did not repent.

    Judas listened to Satan and he became his own judge, jury and executioner.

    You commit the sin of seeking the support of Joyce.

    That's FROM THE FLESH.

    Joyce has blocked me before, because Google+YouTube and Satan have made this POSSIBLE in this realm.

    In heaven and on the new earth no one will WANT TO block a fellow REDEEMED SAINT and worshiper of JESUS Christ!

    But many believers in JESUS HATE each other just as much as unbelievers.

    HATE equals MURDER.

    But I don't hate you: I just don't agree with you concerning the issue of suicide.

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    J Wing
    11:36 PM




    +Hans S Nope Noah's ark was not about repenting of sin. It was about BELIEVING GOD when He said thru Noah's ark building that He would cause it to rain enough to float a big massive boat. People were lost because they scoffed and DIDN'T BELIEVE God (Jesus).

    This is the SAME CHOICE ALL MANKIND is given:
    Mark 16:16 (GNV) [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
    He that shall BELIEVE and be baptized, shall be SAVED: but he that will NOT BELIEVE, shall be DAMNED.

    Repentance doesn't save anyone. Judas repented of his sin and died unsaved because he didn't believe on JESUS.

    PS: so do you think if they had the thought of suicide but didn't act on it that they'd be sinless??
    Shaleen Schroeder
    11:43 PM




    +Hans S Yes all judgement belongs to God I agree with you 100 percent but I also believe we all have a personal relationship with Him and only God knows our hearts so I believe He judges us all according to the relationship we have with him and the circumstances! God did send the flood and that was so necessary but that was before Jesus Christ died for all! And yes God Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three in one! And I do Believe in asking for forgiveness for my sins even though I know in my heart Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price to save my soul from hell and the enemy! I have been Blessed in my life and I give God the Glory✝
    Shaleen Schroeder
    11:45 PM




    +Hans S so you don't think Teenagers that get abused and commit self murder go to hell? Is that what you meant about children?
    J Wing
    11:46 PM




    +Hans S Then Judas should have been a saved person, according to you. Judas repented of his sin. Yet why did Jesus say of all the 12, Judas alone was LOST. Repentant LOST person. Whoops.

    Uh.. universalist means you think everyone can get to Heaven in any method they choose. I've always said BELIEVE in Jesus is the ONLY WAY to Heaven.

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist is right you slander and bear false witness, for no good reason when you know I'm not a universalist. Have you repented of those sins? Don't worry I forgive you but you are sure not being a good witness sinning like this against fellow Christians. tsk... tsk... tsk...
    Shaleen Schroeder
    11:47 PM




    +Hans S I didn't quite understand your answer to my question��

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  15. +Shaleen Schroeder
    I wasn't rude: I'm a DUTCHMAN.


    The Dutch are even more direct than GERMANS.

    That's because we fought eighty years against the Catholic DEATH CULT in the past and became a protestant and free country.

    Nowadays the Netherlands is part of the Roman Empire again through the EU, because modern generations have forgotten about their past.

    The same goes for the USA.

    The Vatican rules both the US and the EU!

    Yes, give JESUS all the glory, for He is GOD!

    Good night!
    Hans S
    12:45 AM




    +J Wing
    The Geneva Bible isn't perfect.

    This is more like what I believe:

    Matthew 27:3 World English Bible (WEB)
    3 Then Judas, who betrayed him, when he saw that Jesus was condemned, felt remorse, and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

    He FELT REMORSE WHOOPS and WHOOPS and WHOOPS (I can be childish too if I want).

    That's not the same as repentance.

    Now to your three points:

    1) This is just nonsense.

    2) Repentance is never a work: it's the human mind of a (saved) sinner getting 'in tune' with God, and God is the one who's generating this phenomenon.

    3) We sin both in thoughts and in deeds, but it always comes down to our BRAIN: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/05/this-is-real-you-and-satan-hates-it.html

    But I'm ending this now and let's agree to disagree.

    I still love sister Joyce, but we disagree on Genesis 6 and how the giants came about.
    She believes that fallen angels had sex with earthly women, generating those giants.
    I believe that's nonsense and that there are other explanations.

    Please answer this simple question: DO YOU LOVE JESUS?

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    Shaleen Schroeder
    12:17 AM




    +Hans S wow you don't have to be rude your English is fine I just didn't understand your answer☹️I still don't but that's ok! I wish you a goodnight ✨

    J Wing
    Yesterday 11:59 PM




    +Hans S Let me ask you some questions once and for all:
    1) Lets say you sin and the next instant you have a stoke that turns you into a vegitable. Basically you die with unrepentant sin while Believing in Jesus. Will you end up in Hell because of that last unrepentant sin?

    2) Does repentance from sin take WORK to consciously keep yourself from sinning? If yes then its WORKS.

    3) In your books does only sin of deeds count. In other words you can sin in thought all you want as long as you don't commit it to deed?
    J Wing
    12:03 AM




    +Hans S If you think Judas didn't repent of his sin you are at odds with the Bible.
    Matthew 27:3(GNV)
    Then when Judas which betrayed him, saw that he was condemned, HE REPENTED HIMSELF, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief Priests, and Elders,

    Judas wasn't saved according to Jesus own words. So we have a REPENTANT LOST person. whoops.

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  16. +J Wing Matthew 27:3 World English Bible (WEB)
    3 Then Judas, who betrayed him, when he saw that Jesus was condemned, felt remorse, and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

    REMORSE is a better translation.

    Like a BLOOD HOUND you try to pin me down on WORKS so you can CONDEMN me.

    You're not acting as a FRIEND, but as an ADVERSARY.

    ARE YOU HAPPY YOU WON'T BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE?

    Do you love JESUS?

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    J Wing
    Yesterday 11:13 PM




    +Hans S Ah see now we find the real culprit to your theology. You believe you have to repent of the sin otherwise you aren't forgiven. And if you die in suicide you can't really repent since you are dead is that it?

    Well what if I told your repentance doesn't save you. And that saved people in the Bible died unrepentant sinners.

    Lets look at someone who REPENTED of his sin but died UNSAVED:
    Judas repented of his sin of betraying Jesus but Jesus said of all the 12 Judas alone was LOST.
    ​Matthew 27:3
    Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED HIMSELF, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
    John 17:12
    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    Clearly repenting of sin doesn't make you saved.
    Lets look at Solomon who was a saved man but died an UNREPENTANT SINNER.
    1 Kings 11:3-4 (KJV)
    3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
    4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.

    Repentance of Sins requires work to stay away from sins and to resist. And so people who feel they are less sinful than others they become extremely PROUD in themselves and this was the same SIN the devil got thrown out of Heaven for.
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/repenting-doesnt-save.html

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  17. +J Wing
    From the article:


    6) To support OSAS, the teachers of such have often: (1) taken Scripture out of context such as what they do with Jn. 10:28, etc.


    TAKEN SCRIPTURE OUT OF CONTEXT

    Do you love JESUS?

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    J Wing
    Yesterday 10:22 PM




    LoL Lets see Jesus said:
    John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me, shall come to me: and him that cometh to me, I CAST NOT AWAY.

    John 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me, I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    Guess the joke is on the Devil.

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  18. +J Wing Believing in JESUS is NOT ENOUGH!
    The Pope also believes in JESUS and he's the ANTICHRIST.
    The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?

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    J Wing
    Yesterday 10:58 PM




    Jesus in Revelation says all OVERCOMERS will NOT be touched by the 2nd death which is Hell.
    Revelation 2:11
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death.

    How to be an OVERCOMER
    1 John 5:5
    Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

    No one who BELIEVES in Jesus, will end up in Hell PERIOD. The Bible shows it in 2 clear verses and many others.

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  19. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    You are rude yourself, by calling me rude all the time.
    You're not my nanny.

    And not all women are secretive about their age or face.
    I use all CAPS if I quickly want to EMPHASIZE something without having to use all kinds of Google+ tricks.
    Yes, I'm a bad guy and people like me should be HANGED or BOILED in their own body fluids, but I'm glad that I won't BURN in HELL because JESUS has saved me.

    Are you also glad you won't BURN in HELL, thanks to JESUS???

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    3:27 AM




    +Hans S You really don't see how horrible you are talking to people? You really don't see how rude you are? Well, there's the problem right there, when you say someone is bordering on the satanic and then say do you love me and do you love Jesus, how do you really expect people to respond?
    You said I like to be in control, I find that to be a very rude statement but even if it is true, most people want to be in control and you do too by the way you try to manipulate things on the G+ by always shouting in ALL CAPS at everyone and CORRECTING everyone and adding YOUR OPINION on everyone's post.

    You make yourself to be a very hard child to love indeed...but I don't hate you.

    Although I FEEL LIKE YOU HATE A LOT OF PEOPLE that you call insane and satanic like the catholic people and many people who happen to disagree with you.

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  20. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    +Atheism is Madness
    Man, man, man, you really have a 'great message' to suicidal BELIEVERS.


    'Don't feel condemned If you listen to Satan and can't take it anymore...just blow your brains out, jump off a tall building or hang yourself, cut your wrist, swallow that overdose etc etc.

    I used to listen to this song a lot in the past: Bloodgood - Alone in Suicide and She Gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VcgGhyFCAY

    These are ANTI-suicide songs, but according to you they were made IN VAIN.

    When JESUS saved me He told me: "Hans, there are two things you can do: commit suicide or start reading the Bible".

    Or was it the DEVIL who told me this? Huh?

    So I'm SAVED BY SATAN?
    Hans S
    4:22 AM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    LITTLE children can't even think of the option called 'suicide'!

    No...people who listen to SATAN think of MURDERING THEMSELVES and making a lot of other people SAD too.

    bloodgood - she's gone
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V1hQw3zehU

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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    +Hans S What do you think repentance is?

    Hebrew
    to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted
    (Niphal)
    to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion
    to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent
    to comfort oneself, be comforted
    to comfort oneself, ease oneself
    (Piel) to comfort, console
    (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled
    (Hithpael)
    to be sorry, have compassion
    to rue, repent of
    to comfort oneself, be comforted
    to ease oneself

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H5162&t=KJV

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?page=2&strongs=H5162&t=KJV#lexResults

    GREEK me-tä-no-e'-ō
    to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
    to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3340&t=KJV


    Mat 27:3
    Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

    me-tä-me'-lo-mī
    it is a care to one afterwards
    it repents one, to repent one's self

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/27/3/p0/t_conc_956003


    If someone has come to faith they have changed their mind about a lot of things but it is what they believe that saves them.

    The Jews needed to repent because they were still believing in the old animal sacrifices and Jewish ways for salvation, but the Saviour was right there in their midsts and so repentance was preached to them. They needed to change their minds and BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ the Messiah who takes away the sins of the world.

    But notice that when Paul preaches to Gentiles he doesn't tell them to repent of any thing because they are completely lost, what they need for salvation is to hear about who Jesus is what He did and BELIEVE IT for salvation.

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      +Hans S What makes you even think that a suicide case is not full of remorse and does not love the Lord, how are you able to judge a persons heart? and how are you able to decide who's sins are forgiven?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Hans S btw seeking my support is not a sin Hans ...sheesh
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist There's also the case of right mind or loss of mind capacity. 4 out of 5 folks I knew were heavily medicated on big pharma drugs for mental health issues. Will not God do right in the judgment? You better believe He will. 
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      3:58 AM




      +Atheism is Madness Yes I agree, in the case of the mentally impaired, and there are many, I believe God loves them as much as He love a little child....and heaven is full of little children.

      I have an adult mentally challenged son who believes in Jesus and we pray to Jesus, but how much he understands about it I don't know...I believe he will go to heaven, I do not doubt it.

      I don't believe God gives us ETERNAL LIFE then snatches it all away if we commit suicide. I do not believe God UNSAVES US. Now that I know my position IN CHRIST and all the SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS he has blessed us with, I cannot ever believe HE would take all of it away like an indian giver? Seriously...

      The only people I see who will die in there sins are unbelievers:

      Jhn 8:24
      I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

      I also think of the mentally fractured ptsd soldiers and the abused adults and the mentally ill of all sorts, they are God's little children...He decides.

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  21. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Joyce, be HAPPY with your BELIEF that your views are BETTER and more BIBLICAL than mine, okay?

    Rejoice!
    And be HAPPY that if I use ALL CAPS, I'm an INDOCTRINATING DEVIL and when you do it, it's okay.

    I believe in God, my FATHER, who has the RIGHT to do WHATEVER HE WANTS, because He's GOD!

    Listen to JESUS (who happens to be God), if you will:

    Revelation 21:8 World English Bible (WEB)
    But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Revelation 22:15 World English Bible (WEB)
    Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

    Are they only OUTSIDE or in the SECOND DEATH because of their UNBELIEF?

    Is JESUS talking out of His NECK?

    ===

    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    4:44 AM




    +Hans S I believe the act of suicide is motivated by a severe demonic oppression that can
    overpower even a believer. And when it does God knew it would happen before granting
    the believer’s plea for salvation, and had already extended His forgiveness to cover all
    the sins of the believer’s life including the last one.

    YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ETERNAL SALVATION, you believe in some kind of partial salvation not granted until when? after death?

    That is not even Biblical....salvation is granted the moment we BELIEVED THE GOSPEL. We believed it with all our heart...no works
    God was NOT IMPUTING SINS TO US at the cross...sin is not the issue, we ARE forgiven.
    We are not made righteous unless we BELIEVE in the work of Jesus.

    It is important to know what you believe and why you believe it.

    THE PEOPLE WHO END UP IN HELL WILL NOT BE THERE BECAUSE OF SINS THEY WILL BE THERE BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF BECAUSE THEY REJECTED THE ONLY SALVATION THERE IS JESUS CHRIST CRUCIFIED.

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  22. Lord Jesus, I'm glad that You alone decide who is saved.

    I believe that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ Jesus alone
    Once Saved Always Saved
    Once Saved Always Saved

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