maandag 24 oktober 2016

Hiding the Truth of God Creating This Enclosed Flat Earth

Hiding the Truth of God Creating This Enclosed Flat Earth 

Published on Aug 26, 2015
Taken from the amazing documentary Flat Earth Clues. This is part 10 and you can find the rest of the series at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8-Yd...


Thanks to Mark Sargent for your excellent work into Flat Earth Theory. His website can be found at http://enclosedworld.com

[Christian Series] Flat Earth & The Bible - We are NOT Stars (Episode 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXwgW...

In Episode 1 of Flat Earth & The Bible we ask a few questions on the significance of the stars. Is there a deeper meaning of what they have been teaching us about the Sun, Moon and Stars? Why is science and occult philosophy teaching the same thing? Could the biggest lie of all with God's creation have a unifying way of bringing on the New World Order? We explore and learn more about the beginning connections and where they could lead. We are made in God's image. We are not made from stars. The entire heliocentric model of our universe is a lie. Don't let Satan deceive you.

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God-the Lord JESUS created this beautiful system so that His most important creatures could exist WITHIN, and in a sense it's like a HUGE WOMB

 

Genesis 1:1-2 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

The First Book of Moses, called Genesis

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the water

 

Psalm 139:16 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

16 Thine eyes did see me, when I was without form: for in thy book were all things written, which in continuance were fashioned, when there was none of them before.

John 3:16 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

16 For God so loveth the world, that he hath given his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.


GET TO KNOW JESUS!




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  1. +Mark Wilson
    Can you read? A round, flat earth, or a disk shaped earth, that's indeed stationary.


    JESUS is GOD and OUR creator and our Judge.
    Get to know Him as your best friend and as your Savior, or get to know Him as your worst nightmare...your choice!

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    Mark Wilson
    2:48 PM




    I think you're confused, Hans. The earth is a flat stationary plane. You say the "BEST ROUND," and I assume you are still in the Blue Marble spinning ball camp. Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Jesus is a Mithraic Sun god. A reworked Mithras. See, Thomas Paine, Age of Reason. Be advised though; he also fell for the masonic sun-worshiping spinning ball lie and believed the sun "88 million" miles away. It isn't.

    Recommend his book anyway, if only to get you to see the Bible as a mythological tale.

    -Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe (Rowbotham)
    -The Flat Earth Conspiracy (Dubay)
    -200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball (Dubay)
    -The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe (Hendrie)
    -Zetetic Cosmogony, or, Conclusive evidence that the world is not a rotating, revolving globe, but a stationary plane circle (Winship)
    -Theoretical Astronomy Examined and Exposed (Carpenter)

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  2. Here's a great series of videos that will help you UNLEARN the LIES we've been told from when we were children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8-YdgU-CF4&list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn

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    Hans S
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    +Jaki Rose
    Stupid arrogance of someone with a god-complex, and who's lost without her own creator, JESUS.
    Take this from an ex-atheist and an ex-nihilist!

    It's not about the universe!
    It's about the creator of everything and especially YOUR BRAIN.
    This contains the DATABASE that will be judged on Judgement Day.

    Time and coincidence didn't generate this AMAZING bio-computer.

    JESUS DID, because He is God, manifested in the flesh/human capacity.
    DANG JOS
    2:25 AM




    +TheBear JamesBear Well then please explain why the bubble in a water bottle does not rise when tossed in the air. It just floats around even though it is less dense. Explain why everything accelerates to Earth at the exact same rate regardless of density. Explain why a balled of piece of paper, which is less dense than a sheet of paper, actually falls faster than the sheet of paper. Explain how things can fall with no force behind it, seeing as nothing we see in reality changes speed without a force. The reality is, the Earth is not flat!
    tim james
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    Hi Jaki, There are more and more people who are understanding that we do indeed live on a flat earth (allowing for local topography). By suggesting that we flat earthers should study geometry you are greatly underestimating our average IQ (I have a degree in optics and therefore maybe just a small knowledge of light waves and how they can be used to test the flat earth theory).
    I'm not being funny, you do sound intelligent and if you could allow yourself to suspend your disbelief and actually investigate this then you may just be in for a big surprise or at least you will be able to scientifically dismiss the flat earth.
    200 proofs by Eric Dubay would be a good starting point.
    Bu the way, love your music.
    DANG JOS
    12:57 PM




    +tim james I've never heard of a degree in optics. Anyway, I have looked plenty into flat-Earth and have found that the arguments and explanations do not work and that the Earth is definitely a sphere. One serious problem with using optics to try and prove things is the fact that optics assumes that light travels in perfectly straight lines, when it certainly does not in reality

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    1. +DANG JOS
      You're a typical God-denier (= a LIAR)
      so it's logical that you also don't want to hear the truth about the flat, disk-shaped earth.

      You're more into this: Sexy Black Women https://plus.google.com/u/0/105446754772730203767/posts/bFAiQqqTw6K

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      Hans S
      1:47 PM




      Here's a great series of videos that will help you UNLEARN the LIES we've been told from when we were children: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8-YdgU-CF4&list=PLltxIX4B8_URNUzDE2sXctnUAEXgEDDGn
      tim james
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      Mmm where to start, well as for the propagation of light we are in quantum territory when attempting to establish its true nature but...if we accept Fermat's principle then we can say that the light reaching object 'x' is the 'ray' that was travelling in a straight line from the source, all other 'waves' have cancelled each other. So this property of light can be used to discern/interpret our reality (in this case spherical or flat earth)
      Dang, I'm guessing you are not from the UK where a degree in optics is the degree an opticain has, hope that clears that one.
      We will have to agree to disagree with regard to your conclusions about your examination and explanations of the flat earth theory as my examinations and conclusions are quite the opposite...but who's correct!!!!
      Anyway as I always say it's just different points of view, cheers!
      DANG JOS
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      +tim james I'm from the US. I assume you are referring to the principle of least time for light. The principle of least time does not mean that light always travels in a straight line. The path of least time can be a curved path as well depending on the medium, so what I said stands. And no it is not differing points of view. We can agree to disagree, but the fact of the matter is that the Earth is a sphere and the flat-Earth model is utterly impossible! There's no opinion there
      tim james
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      Ok let's not agree......the earth is flat and the sphere model is ridiculous beyond belief. No opinion, just fact
      DANG JOS
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      +tim james Um no, the flat-Earth model is impossible. I can give you plenty of evidence why. I doubt that you can give good evidence against the spherical model
      tim james
      2:36 PM




      Ok why is the flat earth model impossible
      DANG JOS
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    2. +tim james The sun can't set on the flat-Earth model because (where I am) the furthest it would get is 11,000 miles away while being 3,000 miles in the sky (according to the flat-Earth model). This makes an angle of 15 degrees in the sky, which is far higher than the horizon that in needs to sink below, yet we see sun sets and moon sets, even over the ocean, all the time. Then there's the fact that the sun and moon never change size as they set or rise (even a flat-Earthers video positively showed this). I could go on with much more. It can't explain where the sun will rise and when, or how long days should be. It can't explain lunar eclipses. Yet the spherical, heliocentric model of the Earth and solar system explains these things perfectly. The spherical model is incredibly accurate. What really always boggles my mind, is how all of these flat-Earthers could be so deluded to actually believe that they are somehow smarter than the thousands of professional astronomers and physicists out there that somehow have not figured out what the flat-Earthers have. It makes no sense
      TheBear JamesBear
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      +DANG JOS​ the heliocentric spinning globe theory is not proven. Nasa has lied to us. There is no real image of a globe. There is zero curvature. The flat earth model is biblical and makes way more sense if you actually observe reality. We are not moving at all. Everything else is moving above us. The sad thing is is that people just believe what they are told. Who can verify or prove the numbers that we are given? The sun is 93,000,000 miles away, yet it looks local and the rays bend out away from it through the clouds which would be impossible on a massive sun the size they tell us. If you actually think about from the flat earth map model instead and just keep an open mind to hey we may have been told wrong (which has a reason) then it might start to come together. When I found out about flat earth, the more I looked into it the more it made sense. When you really research NASA's background and history and the space lies that they put out, you will lose a lot of trust for them guiding your beliefs. To believe you spin on a pear shaped oblait spheroid earth (that doesn't have a consistent globe image yet, which all change over the years depending on who is drawing it or putting the composites together) and orbiting the sun at such ridiculous speeds as we whirl through the solar system all held together by gravity, then you might be in a false science based religion. The greatest thing we can do for ourselves is think for ourselves. The Bible supports of biblical stationary and immovable earth (if you believe the Bible). It's amazing learning more about this.
      DANG JOS
      7:25 PM




      +TheBear JamesBear What exactly does it mean to look local?? You know, if I had the ability to tell the distances to far objects the way flat-Earthers apparently can, I wouldn't need to use parallax and Google Earth to find out how far faraway buildings and other objects are from me. There is a limit to depth perception. What do you expect a sun 93,000,000 miles away to look like that it already doesn't look like now? And by the way, you flat-Earthers need to stop using crepuscular rays as evidence for a close sun. Look them up. It's just an optical illusion. In fact, even if it were evidence of a close sun as you guys claim, it would be just a few miles high based on the apparent angles, yet flat-Earthers claim the sun is 3,000 miles high. So diverging rays would disprove both the flat-Earth and the global Earth model. Fortunately, neither is the case because it is just perspective. Observation does not disprove the global Earth. But can you answer the questions I asked on a flat-Earth model??
      TheBear JamesBear
      7:56 PM




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    3. +DANG JOS But see, you keep trying to explain everything through what you have already been told by the heliocentric model. Which is understandable since we are told these things since we are children and first enter school. It's hard to think otherwise because we actually have to start looking at everything critical and truly seeking for what is observable, testable, and true. For the sun to be local it just means that it is much smaller and much closer to us. Meaning it is not 1,000s of times bigger than the earth and that far a distance away. Which means it is above us most like to be 1,000-3,000 miles up but we do not know. We can only figure using math just like they had to do to create the heliocentric model. You think corpuscular rays is just an optical illusion?? It looks just like it appears. The sun shining through a local portion of the clouds most closest to it and lighting up that region of the earth. The other part of the earth is dark when the sun is not above it. If the sun if the size they say then all the rays should hit the earth straight on. (They explain this away because light refracts in our atmosphere) Sure, if you want to believe that. I mean the sun is 864,938 miles in diameter according to nasa. That is massive! But if you observe the sun, you can watch it go far enough out of view as it sometimes (depending on location, and atmosphere) shrinks to a much smaller size before going out of view. It is simply up above us going straight over in a circular motion. It moves between 3 different circuits, the tropic of cancer, equator, and tropic of capricorn which is where our seasons come from. That would explain why there are different continents in different seasons around the earth. We would truly not experience such a drastic different in earth seasons and temperatures if the sun's heat was traveling through a vacuum of space 93,000,000 miles away. There are so many other things that begin to make way more logical sense when you compare the two, like the Arctic Midnight Sun which only happens in the north pole down to a certain degree only possible on the flat earth (ill post a link). You just have to keep asking questions and searching for it. The globe and heliocentric model quickly lose validity and real proof. But, we are learning everyday.
      TheBear JamesBear
      7:57 PM




      +DANG JOS Did you watch the other 3 shorts videos that I posted earlier also?




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    4. Arctic Midnight Sun:
      http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ericdubay
      DANG JOS
      8:36 PM

      +TheBear JamesBear You seem to be under the impression that I am searching or confused and looking for answers. I vary familiar with the heliocentric global model, which is why I know it works. And I am pretty familiar with flat-Earth claims as well. Nothing in my previous comment mentioned the heliocentric model at all so I don't know what you're talking about when you say I'm repeating what I'm told. I would actually suspect that of you. Also, you did not answer my question. How would the sun look any different if it were much larger and much farther away? Also, I don't know why you're still bringing up crepuscular rays when I just told you that they would debunk YOUR model too! Just look it up; like I said, it is an illusion. I also said before that the sun DOES NOT decrease in size! At least I think it was this thread. Anyway, the sun and moon do not change size as they move through atmosphere. Do you, or do you not have an answer for that? Because I can tell you right now that that in itself disproves the flat-Earth model.

      Finally, you make arguments based on your misunderstanding of the global model, rather than logic. You said it yourself. The sun's heat travels in a vacuum. Which means what? It means it won't lose any energy. And the seasons are perfectly described on a global Earth. It is the flat-Earth that doesn't entirely work with the seasons. For example, the flat-Earth model can't explain why the sun rises in the southeast everywhere on Earth . It certainly can't explain the sun rising in the East on the equinoxes. But ultimately, the flat-Earth model can't even explain how the sun rises or sets. The global model, on the other hand, explains these perfectly. If you just start thinking for yourself critically, instead of listening to flat-Earthers, you may see that the flat-Earth model just doesn't work. It never has, and it never will
      TheBear JamesBear
      8:48 PM




      +DANG JOS Dang man, I'm sorry you believe in a model that has absolutely zero proof other than the lies that nasa puts out. They faked the moon landings and give us crappy cgi and composite globe images. If you watched the videos I posted you would see how the sun changes size as it goes further away. Completely observed and explained. Which disproves the far away sun in the heliocentric model. There is so much that loses validity because all nasa is untrustworthy as well as all the other freemasonic organizations that are working together to hide the truth from everyone. It takes a lot of faith to believe in that pseudo-science religion. I have believed in the false globe model my whole life until recently because that was all i was ever taught. WIth that logic, they teach you that you evolved from monkeys and everything came form a random unexplainable theoretical cosmic explosion. If you believe all of that, I feel sorry for you. I'm not sure how else to help you. Have a great day.
      DANG JOS
      8:58 PM

      +TheBear JamesBear Lol. I don't need help because I'm not delusional. I don't know how many times I have to tell you. The sun DOES...NOT change size!! Every flat-Earth video that shows it changing size is really just observing kens flare. You know, a flashlight also looks much larger when you shine it in a camera. Would you like me to show you video evidence? Because I can do that.

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    5. +DANG JOS
      No, just people who stopped believing in the lies they've grown up with, due to the school system.
      
      Hans S
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      +TheBear JamesBear
      The illuminati are subordinate to the JESUITS: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/04/the-satanic-power-tree.html

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      Hans S
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      +DANG JOS
      You're a typical God-denier (= a LIAR) so it's logical that you also don't want to hear the truth about the flat, disk-shaped earth.

      You're more into this: Sexy Black Women https://plus.google.com/u/0/105446754772730203767/posts/bFAiQqqTw6K
      DANG JOS
      12:15 AM




      +Hans S Really?? you're gonna dig into my profile? You can be deluded all you want, but the fact remains that the Earth is definitely a sphere. Follow the evidence and not what you want to believe. Also, there are plenty of Christians that know the Earth isn't flat
      Hans S
      12:29 AM




      +DANG JOS
      The earth is flat and there are plenty of non-Christians that agree with me.
      DANG JOS
      12:31 AM




      +Hans S Plenty of deluded non-Christians
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      +DANG JOS There are Christians and non Christians who understand the truth about the earth being flat. When you find any real curvature let me know please, because nasa isn't giving you anything real. Just keep believing your godless infinite space sun worship model. Get ready for the alien invasion because that is what the illuminati are preparing the world for. It works best on the blind sheep.

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    6. +TheBear JamesBear
      The Jesuits are the assassins of the Vatican.
      They are the most evil people on earth.

      They are behind the promoting of the fake ball shaped earth and the so called solar system, because their belief system derives from Babylon and they practice sun worship.
      The cross, on which our Lord JESUS died, is a symbol for the sun and also the Nazi-Swastika.
      During the second world war the Jesuits realized that their man, Adolf Hitler, could not win the war, so they left Germany and went to the USA.
      And now the USA is Nazi-America.
      NASA was founded by NAZIS!
      The NSA, CIA and FBI too.
      This is a very important video: Flat Earth: Exposing the Jesuit Agenda! https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/10/flat-earth-exposing-jesuit-agenda-are.html

      Communism was invented by the Jesuits and Joseph Stalin was a Jesuit priest.
      Vladimir Putin admires this man.
      Islam was invented by the Vatican.
      The current Pope is the boss of the Jesuits and his true god is Lucifer.
      He's the disguised emperor of the Roman Empire.
      The USA and NATO are his military arm.

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      DANG JOS
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      +Hans S Really?? you're gonna dig into my profile? You can be deluded all you want, but the fact remains that the Earth is definitely a sphere. Follow the evidence and not what you want to believe. Also, there are plenty of Christians that know the Earth isn't flat
      Hans S
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      +DANG JOS
      The earth is flat and there are plenty of non-Christians that agree with me.
      DANG JOS
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      +Hans S Plenty of deluded non-Christians
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      +DANG JOS There are Christians and non Christians who understand the truth about the earth being flat. When you find any real curvature let me know please, because nasa isn't giving you anything real. Just keep believing your godless infinite space sun worship model. Get ready for the alien invasion because that is what the illuminati are preparing the world for. It works best on the blind sheep.
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      +DANG JOS
      No, just people who stopped believing in the lies they've grown up with, due to the school system.
      Hans S
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      +TheBear JamesBear
      The illuminati are subordinate to the JESUITS: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/04/the-satanic-power-tree.html
      DANG JOS
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      +Hans S I wonder if those lies include religion
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      +Hans S You're right. The ones behind the nwo.
      TheBear JamesBear
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      +Hans S I will check out that video and those links you posted. Thank you for sharing!

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      Hans S
      6:26 PM

      +TheBear JamesBear
      Okay!

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    7. +TheBear JamesBear
      Exactly!

      When I was still a ball-shaped earth believer I also had this difficulty with imagining how JESUS would be able to show Himself AT ONCE to the ENTIRE world.
      Well the answer is simple: the earth is FLAT and a circle spread abroad and enclosed by a dome like firmament.

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      jadgsxr
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      I'm with ya ! I'm not going to bother with reading the comments below your post because it looks like debating. Those debating hold no intelligence in my opinion. There are so many things that disprove them. How about the Trans-Atlantic Cable ? If they were right, it would be the Trans-North Pole Cable
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      If you lived in Reality ...aka. were mentally equipped to think and understand for yourself. You would realize that what you've been told, does not match up with what you experience and observe.
      Tony Alberto
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      IAm NoOne you mad now huh? She proved that your hole video was useless because it was based on misconceptions so now your mad. At least you didn't disable the comments like the other flat-tards haha 😂
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      +IAm NoOne Do you think for yourself? If you really think reasonably for yourself and don't repeat what flat-Earthers say, you'll probably be able to see that the flat-Earth model makes no sense. What we see lines up with a spherical Earth.
      Hans S
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      +DANG JOS
      Dream on...

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  3. MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
    Please explain why a bowling ball weighs exactly the same in a vacuum chamber
    after all of the air has been sucked out. According to this, it should start floating around. It won't.
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    Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
    +MomoTheBellyDancer It won't because the bowling ball still has more density than the vacuum(less dense air) - one would need to alter the density of the bowling ball and or the zero point of the space around it to make the bowling ball float. try experimenting with electromagnetic fields interrupted with radio waves- adjust to taste.
    MomoTheBellyDancer
    MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago
    +Pendle Eldnep

    "MomoTheBellyDancer It won't because the bowling ball still has more density than the vacuum"

    That's the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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    Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
    +MomoTheBellyDancer you think the very thin air (vacuum) is more dense than the bowling ball - have you listened to what you are saying?
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    MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
    +Pendle Eldnep

    A bowling all in a vacuum chambers with the air sucked out will, and now pay attention,

    WEIGH THE EXACT SAME AS IT WOULD IN THE ATMOSPHERE

    According to your logic, it would weigh more. It doesn't

    You see, buoyancy is the result of gravity. Fluids will become denser the closer you get to the center of gravity since all the weight of the matter on top is pulled on top of it. This causes a density gradient, which in tun causes net a force that pushes objects in the opposite direction of the gravitational pull.

    No gravity -> No density gradient -> No buoyancy. Without gravity, objects would just float through space without affecting each other. Yet we clearly observe an attractive force between objects, depending on their mass and distance.

    This is the reality we live in, not the scientifically illiterate nonsense proposed in this video.
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    Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
    +MomoTheBellyDancer You're the one ignoring Occam's razor - everything suggested will work WITHOUT the need for gravity.

    Show me zero gravity. And no, free fall is not an acceptable answer.

    The density gradient is simple - one 100mmx100mmx100mm cube of water weighs 1Kg. There would be a gradient of pressure in a tank of water 1 metre deep 100mm long and 100mm wide - if your fingers were at the bottom it would not hurt more than applying a force of energy to overcome the water trying to displace less dense matter.

    If you had 10x1kg cubes of ice stacked on top of your fingers it would be a different story - solid water would not be able to displace solid fingers - the potential energy stored vertically would also show a gradient - your fingers would be more comfortable the closer to the top of the pile.

    We only need gravity when we are asked to suspend our disbelief of a globe earth - we are told that water will become curved rather than flat and since the sky is not revolving but the earth spins we MUST have some new magic to stop the water and all of earth's inhabitants from being flung off into a void of space.

    show me the curve - lobby your politicians to get a realtime HDR camera pointing at the revolving globe earth and all the surrounding satellites, planets and constellations.

    until you can do that - we don't need gravity.
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    MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
    +Pendle Eldnep

    "everything suggested will work WITHOUT the need for gravity."

    No, it won't, and II just explained why.

    "Show me zero gravity."

    Gravity permeates all of the universe. There is no escaping from it. Objects in free fall are still subject to gravity since they are, well, falling.

    "If you had 10x1kg cubes of ice stacked on top of your fingers it would be a different story

    We're talking about density gradients in fluids. Try to pay attention, will you?

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    1. "We only need gravity when we are asked to suspend our disbelief of a globe earth"

      No, gravity is the observation that things fall down, and that they do this in certain predictable patterns and with a predictable acceleration. This pattern and acceleration are completely independent of a body's density. One kilogram of platinum will weigh exactly the same as one kilogram of polystyrene.

      "we are told that water will become curved rather than flat "

      That's because water always flows toward its lowest energy state, which means that water at rest will have its surface follow earth's curvature. This is observable and measurable.

      "we MUST have some new magic to stop the water and all of earth's inhabitants from being flung off into a void of space."

      There's nothing magical about gravity. It's observable, measurable and quantifiable. It exists.

      "show me the curve"

      Ships at sea disappear over the horizon bottom-first. In order see them gain you will have to move to a higher position. There is your curve.

      "lobby your politicians to get a realtime HDR camera pointing at the revolving globe earth and all the surrounding satellites, planets and constellations."

      No camera will be able to show them all at the same time because of the different kinds of exposure needed.

      So apart from physics, you also lack knowledge of optics. Figures.

      "until you can do that - we don't need gravity."

      That didn't even make a lick of sense.
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      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      +MomoTheBellyDancer
      "Gravity permeates all of the universe." - is there no limit to the omniscient and grandiose arrogance of the narcissistic pseudo scientist? (that was rhetorical)

      "No camera will be able to show them all at the same time because of the different kinds of exposure needed." do you know what HDR means? I'm definitely sure that you know what condescending means.

      In case you would like to be less ignorant - if you can imagine a camera lens and sensor processing 24 frames per second - imaging an array of 10 optics processing 240 frames per second - each optic processing a different range of light information - now factor that up as far as technology and your rather stunted imagination can manage.

      anyway - I laugh at your curve!!! if that were true the horizon that you claim the ship sails over would be evident along the length of the horizon!!! - if you were on a peninsular with 300 degrees of horizon there would be considerable droop!!! - ah but then you'd have to concede to the reality of a perspective convergence point rather than an actual curve - this is the bit that frightens you!

      "There's nothing magical about gravity. It's observable, measurable and quantifiable. It exists." - yeah like gravity wave data that was a test to see how corrupt and incompetent publicly funded scientists are - nobody can prove gravity, it is only needed if gobalists insist we must have a globe earth model.

      water is flat - suck it up! (play on words)

      If the curvature of the earth was measurable - trust me we would not be having this ridiculous conversation. The only thing curved is the weight of the washing line with your brain on it.

      thanks for playing better luck next time.
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago
      +Pendle Eldnep
      " is there no limit to the omniscient and grandiose arrogance of the narcissistic pseudo scientist? "

      A personal slur is not an argument. Try again.

      "each optic processing a different range of light information"

      So now you're talking about various cameras. Shift the goalposts much?

      In any case, Himawari-8 takes a nice picture from orbit every ten minutes , in several frequency ranges:

      http://himawari8.nict.go.jp/

      "if that were true the horizon that you claim the ship sails over would be evident along the length of the horizon!!! "

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    2. No. Just take the formulas for spherical geometry, do the math, and you will see that it all matches what we observe perfectly.

      "gravity wave data that was a test to see how corrupt and incompetent publicly funded scientists are"

      Citation needed.

      "water is flat - suck it up!"

      It definitely is not flat over longer distances, which can be measured and accounted for. You're either ignorant or lying. Take your pick.

      "If the curvature of the earth was measurable - trust me we would not be having this ridiculous conversation."

      The sad part is that we are having this ridiculous discussion even though we can measure the curvature.

      Eratosthenes managed to do see on the 3rd century BC already! Get with the times, will you?
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      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      +MomoTheBellyDancer "A personal slur is not an argument. Try again." - it wasn't a personal slur unless you're claiming to be the earthly representative for pseudo science too.

      "Shift the goalposts much?" - how could I if I know nothing about optics? Mind you, you have changed your tune.

      "Himawari-8" - HA HA HA HA - I thought you knew all about cameras - that's CGI

      "No. Just take the formulas for spherical geometry, do the math, and you will see that it all matches what we observe perfectly." - 8inches per mile squared - it should be everywhere - it isn't - we're having this conversation because it isn't!

      Gravity liars - just search for BICEP2 data false

      "It definitely is not flat over longer distances, which can be measured and accounted for. You're either ignorant or lying. Take your pick. " - are you suggesting water is only flat over short distances? you insinuate that the globe earth is in fact some sort of polygon? 12 pentagons of flat water making up a globe perhaps?

      Because we can't measure curvature is exactly why this conversation and thousands more like it are only going to continue - and I mean measure - not convince or fabricate or outright lie.
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "it wasn't a personal slur "

      Then calling you a psychotic bigot is not a personal slur either.

      It's worse though in that it is irrelevant. Even if all scientists were narcissists, it still would have no bearing on the veracity of their claims.

      "how could I if I know nothing about optics?"

      Another remark that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You seem to specialize in those.

      "HA HA HA HA - I thought you knew all about cameras - that's CGI"

      And your evidence for this is ...?

      "Gravity liars - just search for BICEP2 data false"

      Data can never be false. In any case, the BICEP research had nothing to do with gravity.

      Also, gravitational waves have been detected by the LIGO observatory.

      "are you suggesting water is only flat over short distances?"

      No, but it's extremely hard to detect the curvature, since the earth is enormous by comparison. What little curvature there is gets obscured by other effects, like surface tension and the capillary force. On bigger stretches of water these effects become much noticeable, and we can detect a clear curvature.

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    3. "Because we can't measure curvature is exactly why this conversation and thousands more like it are only going to continue "

      Eratosthenes detected the curvature in the third century BC already.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      "Gravity permeates all of the universe." - is there no limit to the omniscient and grandiose arrogance of the narcissistic pseudo scientist? (that was rhetorical)

      there is no possible way to know this - therefore pseudo scientists have serious personality issues when they stand up and declare it to be 'actual science'.

      if you'd like to group yourself in with those folk, that's your business - but it's completely relevant to this discussion.

      this whole conversation is about not being about not being able to prove gravity and only needing to do that in the vain hope that it might qualify as evidence of a globe earth.

      keep on attacking me and stamping your feet why don't you :)
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "there is no possible way to know this "

      Actually, there is. It's called performing experiments and making observations.

      "if you'd like to group yourself in with those folk"

      I 'd much rather be associated with those who adhere to rational thought than those like you, who simply want to deny reality.

      "this whole conversation is about not being about not being able to prove gravity"

      Actually, this is exactly what this discussion is about. And we can demonstrate the existence of gravity as a major force throughout the universe.

      "it might qualify as evidence of a globe earth."

      Gravity exists regardless of the shape of the earth. That the earth is a sphere can be accounted for by pure geometry.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      "Actually, there is. It's called performing experiments and making observations." - and a ouija board would be proof of life after death? stop mocking.

      "I 'd much rather be associated with those who adhere to rational thought than those like you, who simply want to deny reality." - show me the curve.

      "And we can demonstrate the existence of gravity as a major force throughout the universe." - ah more fiction - how did they verify the boundaries in order to change this theory into a fact? What we do have is real proof the earth does not rotate - we can measure this easily. Therefore relativity is bunk and so is gravity.

      "Gravity exists regardless of the shape of the earth. " - only if you allow it to supplant density and buoyancy. It is surplus.

      "That the earth is a sphere can be accounted for by pure geometry." - geometry can prove a sphere but AGAIN it does not prove the shape of earth - if it was proof of a globe earth everyone would have saved a great deal of money time and exasperation.
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep
      "and a ouija board would be proof of life after death? "

      It would, if you could get reliable results that can be repeated under controlled conditions. Of course, that doesn't happen, which is the reason ouija boards are rejected as evidence.

      "show me the curve."

      Ships disappear over the horizon bottom-first. This is measurable and repeatable. If you know the speed and height of the ships, you can even determine the amount of curvature and thus the circumference.

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    4. "how did they verify the boundaries in order to change this theory into a fact?"

      It is a fact, because the effects of gravity are measurable and repeatable. We can observe the effects throughout the universe, where objects behave precisely as predicted by the models of gravity.

      "only if you allow it to supplant density and buoyancy. "

      Density is merely mass per volume. It has no directional component, so it is not a force that can act upon anything. Buoyancy is a byproduct of gravity. No gravity -> no density gradient -> no buoyancy.

      "geometry can prove a sphere but AGAIN it does not prove the shape of earth"

      Geometry can be applied to any object to determine its shape, and the earth is no exception. If we apply the rules, we can only come to one conclusion: the earth is a sphere.

      "if it was proof of a globe earth everyone would have saved a great deal of money time and exasperation."

      Nobody is wasting time on the question whether the earth is a sphere aside from some Internet kooks, who lie and deceive their following for self-aggrandizement and profit. That the earth is a sphere has been concluded centuries ago already.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      you are in error - thanks for letting others understand this too.
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "you are in error "

      Just saying "you're wrong" is not an argument. Spell out what you think is faulty in my argument. Be as precise as you can possibly muster.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      I can't argue with you because all you say is there is proof there is proof there is proof - like anyone who doesn't share your faith in theoretical science is an idiot. You are a disciple of the Church of Scientism and you give actual science a bad name - plus you make it very hard to even allow a debate about corruption within the funding channels of science and education.

      I am an idiot for giving you the time I have already.

      good day to you.
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      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "I can't argue with you because all you say is there is proof there is proof there is proof -"

      Well, science doesn't deal with proof. It deals with evidence. I present the evidence. What are you going to do with it? Ignore it?

      " like anyone who doesn't share your faith in theoretical science is an idiot"

      Everything I say can be observed, measured and quantified, so it's not merely theory.

      "you make it very hard to even allow a debate about corruption within the funding channels of science and education."

      You failed to show any corruption. It's also irrelevant. The shape of the earth can be determined through very simple means, like Eratosthenes showed.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      "Everything I say can be observed, measured and quantified, so it's not merely theory." - - -

      OOOH YOU LIAR!
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "OOOH YOU LIAR!"

      Please point out where I am lying.

      Be precise.

      Very precise.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      You said on my criticism of theoretical science...
      "Everything I say can be observed, measured and quantified, so it's not merely theory."

      that is a lie. you are a liar.

      now stop wasting my time

      if you believe in Hell - please go there. k. thx.
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep
      "that is a lie. you are a liar."

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    5. I asked you to substantiate that claim. Merely repeating it won't do.

      Point out where I am lying according to you. If you refuse, or you fail to point out a lie, you lose.
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      You can substantiate it by proving the globe, gravity and relativity and realising it's all theoretical. But please do it without wasting any more of my time. You're the one trolling FE videos - this is a phenomenon born from people trying but failing to substantiate. You are deluded by a church of scientism - which is not the same as science.

      If you come back with more goading BS then you're on your own - go and learn to think for yourself and use your own eyes.

      learn to draw - learn how the eye actually works.

      again - good day to you 
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago (edited)
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "You can substantiate it by proving the globe"

      Ships disappear over the horizon bottom-first.

      "gravity"

      Throw rock up. See rock fall down. Repeat a thousand times. It will fall, no exceptions.

      Not only that, but objects are attracted each other depending on their mass and distance.

      Cavendish managed to measure the gravitational constant in 1797 already.

      "relativity "

      Using Einstein's formulas, we can accurately predict the precession of the perihelion of Mercury, which before was not possible.

      We can observe how starlight gets bent around the sun during a solar eclipse.

      Muons still reach the earth after they are created in earth's upper atmosphere, even though their extremely short half-life should prevent that. This means that they undergo time dilation, and at exactly by the amount as predicted by Einstein's theories.

      Einstein predicted the existence of gravitational waves, which indeed have been found.

      This is all hard, solid, observable evidence.

      "You're the one trolling FE videos - this is a phenomenon born from people trying but failing to substantiate."

      Yadda yadda yadda. This is all irrelevant. Address my arguments, not who yo think I am.

      "If you come back with more goading BS then you're on your own "

      In the meantime, you have failed to point out where I was lying.

      YOU LOSE
      Pendle Eldnep
      Pendle Eldnep9 months ago
      +MomoTheBellyDancer "This is all hard, solid, observable evidence." - that is where all your lies begin - if this were true nobody would be talking about flat earth - and I wouldn't be wasting even more of my life reminding YOU that you have a problem with what I'm investigating whereas I couldn't care two hoots what you do with your spare time.

      "This is all hard, solid, observable evidence." - that quote, by you, makes you a liar.

      thank you
      MomoTheBellyDancer
      MomoTheBellyDancer9 months ago
      +Pendle Eldnep

      "that is where all your lies begin"

      Please point out how they are lies. Be precise.

      " if this were true nobody would be talking about flat earth"

      The only reason flat earth is still a topic is because there are still way too many scientifically illiterate people around. It's a testament to the decline of scientific education.

      " that quote, by you, makes you a liar."

      Simply making an assertion is not an argument. You will have to back it up. Can you?

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    6. MomoTheBellyDancer You're a loser because you want to win a debate and it's not about wining or losing but about the truth.
      The earth is flat with a dome. That's a fact.
      God exists. That's a fact.
      I don't feel the need or the obligation to explain it to anyone and especially not to people who deny it.
      I became a believer in God because the theory of evolution was based on lies.
      I became a believer in a stationary earth and the geocentric model because the heliocentric model is based on lies, because there is no solar system.
      I became a believer in the flat earth because NASA is a Vatican controlled organization which propagates the globe earth lie and they are being controlled by Luciferians called the JESUITS.
      Everything within our perceptible dimension exists and takes place within a DOME.
      This dome is supernatural in origin and so it doesn't need to be explained, because God is the creator of it.
      God exists and His name is JESUS and He doesn't need to be explained, because He's reality.
      God deniers deny His existence and also His creation, including the flat earth with a dome.
      It's NO use trying to convince God-deniers flat earth-deniers.
      Faith is a GIFT of God:
      Ephesians 2:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God, 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

      You don't own this gift so you can only LIE.
      You're lost without JESUS Christ.
      Get to know Him and SEE the truth.

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  4. Density and buoyancy occur within the system of the flat earth with a DOME. This Dome is supernatural in origin and it doesn't need 'gravity' in order to exist in combination with the earth. Job 26:7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 7 He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. 'Gravity' is an attempt to circumvent the facts of density and buoyancy. 'Gravity' is not Biblical and it doesn't exist.

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