Friday, May 11, 2018

TO HELL WITH 'ETERNAL TORMENT'??

TO HELL WITH "ETERNAL TORMENT"


Published on Apr 11, 2018


 
You have my curiosity peaked so I am going to study this out and get back with you. Even if at the end we still don’t agree can we disagree politely because I don’t see this as an essential. To me an essential is the gospel of Jesus Christ that He died for our sins, buried and rose again three days later all according to the scriptures.
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You have the right attitude. First we need to study the other side of an argument BEFORE we start refuting it. Then if we never agree...THAT IS OK BECAUSE THIS SUBJECT IS NOT AN ESSENTIAL.
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The subject IS an essential!
Calling it not essential is not understanding WHAT we are as human beings in this reality between heaven and hell, and then we don't acknowledge from WHAT horrific FATE JESUS has saved us.
Death was created by God and it's a SEPARATION from Him and 'the second death' is an ETERNAL SEPARATION from God in FULL AWARENESS WHY this has been decided by Him, and that's because of the following:

It's about eternal EXISTENCE and we're all meant to be like the angels, and angels exist forever, because they're spiritual beings with supernatural bodies.
So after the fall of the angel who used to be called 'morning star', or 'light bearer' (Lucifer in Latin), or 'son of the dawn', and after God called him 'adversary=Satan' and 'devil'='liar, deceiver, slanderer, accuser' and after this rebellious angel managed to deceive one third of the angels, who also became fallen angels, God had a PROBLEM.
What to do with creatures who are meant to exist FOREVER?
Angels CANNOT repent=change their minds and regret their former thoughts and actions under normal=heavenly  circumstances, but they CAN repent if they're cast into a HORRIFIC PLACE, called the lake of fire, God's eternal DETENTION CENTER.
And so God created the lake of SUPERNATURAL FIRE, in which Satan and the fallen angels and condemned humans will FOREVER confess that JESUS is LORD, because JESUS is GOD!
God needed to create creatures who are half angelic and half LIKE animals to prove He's RIGHT, and so He created MAN, but AFTER He had created the ANIMALS, and His SECRET PLAN was to become a sinless human being Himself which he foretold in CRYPTIC LANGUAGE in  Genesis 3:15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

15 I will also put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. He shall break thine head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

God told Satan, disguised as the Serpent, that he would 'bruise the heel of the seed of Eve', which is the bloody crucifixion of God in the capacity of JESUS by the satanic, Babylonian Roman Empire, and that JESUS in the capacity of GOD would 'break his head' by perfectly fulfilling the prophecies that relate to his suffering, his death and his resurrection in HIS land of Israel.
Of course Satan didn't know what God was talking about, because all these things had yet to happen in the future, and Satan already knew that he couldn't be FORGIVEN, so he assumed that NO ONE can or should be forgiven, and this has to do with his SICK and TWISTED god-complex.
Satan knows NO MERCY.
Our God is a MERCIFUL GOD=JESUS!
Can God FORGIVE PERFECTLY MADE angels who had rebelled against Him?
NO! This is TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because angels who have DECIDED to go against Him have reprogrammed their minds and this can't be undone, because they're spiritual beings, having a free will.
Can God FORGIVE creatures with limited free will because of their instinct = their pre-programmed biological program, who are disobedient, because they're creatures without the ability to reason: ANIMALS?
YES!
Can God FORGIVE fallen half angelic, half animal-like creatures with a free will, called HUMANS who BELIEVE that God came on earth in the capacity of JESUS Christ who shed His innocent and atoning BLOOD as if He were a SINLESS ANIMAL, the LAMB of GOD, who was dead and buried and who rose on the third day, according to the scriptures?
YES HE CAN, because God in the capacity of JESUS said  in Luke 23:34
"Father, forgive them: for they know not what they do" as if He was talking about ANIMALS!
So is there a reason to assume that there's NOT a place called the lake of fire, and is there a reason to assume it's not eternal?
No!
Why not?
Because we're meant to exist FOREVER and God had to SOLVE this problem of having to cope with rebellious angels and humans, and this is His solution, because God doesn't want to spend His eternity with creatures who DON'T LOVE Him!
Thank God for the creation of ANIMALS https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/03/thank-god-for-creation-of-animals.html
Hell-Lake of Fire http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Hell-Lake%20of%20Fire




38 comments:

  1. Renee,
    Yes, God's mercy endures forever for those who are saved from being eternally SEPARATED from God-the Lord JESUS.

    The subject IS an essential!
    Calling it not essential is not understanding WHAT we are as human beings in this reality between heaven and hell, and then we don't acknowledge from WHAT horrific FATE JESUS has saved us.
    Death was created by God and it's a SEPARATION from Him and 'the second death' is an ETERNAL SEPARATION from God in FULL AWARENESS WHY this has been decided by Him, and that's because of the following:

    It's about eternal EXISTENCE and we're all meant to be like the angels, and angels exist forever, because they're spiritual beings with supernatural bodies.
    So after the fall of the angel who used to be called 'morning star', or 'light bearer' (Lucifer in Latin), or 'son of the dawn', and after God called him 'adversary=Satan' and 'devil'='liar, deceiver, slanderer, accuser' and after this rebellious angel managed to deceive one third of the angels, who also became fallen angels, God had a PROBLEM.
    What to do with creatures who are meant to exist FOREVER?
    Angels CANNOT repent=change their minds and regret their former thoughts and actions under normal=heavenly circumstances, but they CAN repent if they're cast into a HORRIFIC PLACE, called the lake of fire, God's eternal DETENTION CENTER.
    And so God created the lake of SUPERNATURAL FIRE, in which Satan and the fallen angels and condemned humans will FOREVER confess that JESUS is LORD, because JESUS is GOD!
    God needed to create creatures who are half angelic and half LIKE animals to prove He's RIGHT, and so He created MAN, but AFTER He had created the ANIMALS, and His SECRET PLAN was to become a sinless human being Himself which he foretold in CRYPTIC LANGUAGE in Genesis 3:15 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    15 I will also put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed. He shall break thine head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    God told Satan, disguised as the Serpent, that he would 'bruise the heel of the seed of Eve', which is the bloody crucifixion of God in the capacity of JESUS by the satanic, Babylonian Roman Empire, and that JESUS in the capacity of GOD would 'break his head' by perfectly fulfilling the prophecies that relate to his suffering, his death and his resurrection in HIS land of Israel.
    Of course Satan didn't know what God was talking about, because all these things had yet to happen in the future, and Satan already knew that he couldn't be FORGIVEN, so he assumed that NO ONE can or should be forgiven, and this has to do with his SICK and TWISTED god-complex.
    Satan knows NO MERCY.
    Our God is a MERCIFUL GOD=JESUS!
    Can God FORGIVE PERFECTLY MADE angels who had rebelled against Him?
    NO! This is TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because angels who have DECIDED to go against Him have reprogrammed their minds and this can't be undone, because they're spiritual beings, having a free will.
    Can God FORGIVE creatures with limited free will because of their instinct = their pre-programmed biological program, who are disobedient, because they're creatures without the ability to reason: ANIMALS?
    YES!

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    1. Can God FORGIVE fallen half angelic, half animal-like creatures with a free will, called HUMANS who BELIEVE that God came on earth in the capacity of JESUS Christ who shed His innocent and atoning BLOOD as if He were a SINLESS ANIMAL, the LAMB of GOD, who was dead and buried and who rose on the third day, according to the scriptures?
      YES HE CAN, because God in the capacity of JESUS said in Luke 23:34
      "Father, forgive them: for they know not what they do" as if He was talking about ANIMALS!
      So is there a reason to assume that there's NOT a place called the lake of fire, and is there a reason to assume it's not eternal?
      No!
      Why not?
      Because we're meant to exist FOREVER and God had to SOLVE this problem of having to cope with rebellious angels and humans, and this is His solution, because God doesn't want to spend His eternity with creatures who DON'T LOVE Him!
      Thank God for the creation of ANIMALS https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/03/thank-god-for-creation-of-animals.html

      Hell-Lake of Fire http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Hell-Lake%20of%20Fire

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      Renee Roland
      Renee Roland
      2 weeks ago
      Love your title. I get no grace while studying this even tho we r told to take the full counsel of God. We r saved from it no matter what it is..isnt thats whats important? His mercy endures forever

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  2. Are we eternally saved from being cast into an eternal lake of fire in full awareness and forever in order to realize WHY, or are we eternally saved from being annihilated and destroyed into NOTHING? Here's my answer: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2018/05/to-hell-with-eternal-torment.html

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  3. +Michael o'donnell No, threats of eternal torture, BEFORE you die!

    I'm going to BURN in HELL! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Hell-Lake%20of%20Fire

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    Michael o'donnell
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    Threats of torture after you die?
    Worthless.
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    Chris Yau
    The dead will have their mouths shut until the day of judgement.
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    James Roberts53
    Hell is the grave

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  4. If you don't want to burn forever, being a resurrected, ANGELIC human being AFTER this existence between heaven and hell, then get saved by JESUS and by His gospel that saves FOREVER: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/EcUrVE

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  5. With all due respect, Is the Lords supper for the Body of Christ today? http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/10/is-lords-supper-for-body-of-christ-today.html
    When we get water baptized in this time of God's dispensation of grace, all we get is wet! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/11/when-we-get-water-baptized-in-this-time.html
    We are united through our MUTUAL LOVE for JESUS and His teachings through His Apostle Paul.
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/EcUrVE

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  6. Bryant Robinson,
    It's clear you only listen to Bryant Robinson


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    Bryant Robinson
    2 weeks ago
    Hans S what exactly is existence from a Biblical perspective? Is there any difference between life and existence? My main reason for abandoning the belief in eternal torment is the fact that sin brings forth death. In the beginning when Adam and Eve sinned, God's judgment upon them was death in Genesis 3. Then God blocked their access to the Tree of life so they couldn't live forever. Furthermore, in the last chapter of Revelation we see a picture of the redeemed in Christ being welcomed into the gates of the heavenly city where the Tree of life is in contrast to the sinners outside. These without are still sinners without access to the Tree of life, but proponents of eternal hell would have me to believe they're going to live forever. My position is that if they couldn't live forever in their sin in the beginning, they cannot live forever in their sin in the end. That is consistent. Eternal torment doctrine is inconsistent because it promotes the idea that God is going to do exactly the opposite of what He did in the beginning, which is give sinners eternal life in an unredeemed state.

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  7. God cannot destroy beings who are created to be LIKE the angels: HUMANS!
    Why do people WANT TO believe in 'annihilationism'?
    Because they don't want to believe that God is really going to cast 'their' loved ones who REFUSED TO BE SAVED, into HIS ETERNAL and SUPERNATURAL lake of fire.
    They are NOT THEIR loved ones but GOD'S POSSESSION, because God OWNS EVERYBODY!
    So people who HATE the Biblical TRUTH that there is an eternal lake of fire for Satan and the other fallen angels and for humans who are MEANT TO BE LIKE THE ANGELS, pretend to know things better than God!
    That's VERY SERIOUS.
    I'm an GENUINE ex-atheist (so not a church person who became an atheist) and JESUS saved me from going to HELL.
    I would've never taken JESUS seriously if I wasn't absolutely SURE that Hell lasts FOREVER!
    Before JESUS saved me I was absolutely sure I was going to hell and that I deserved it and that it would last FOREVER.
    GREAT was my RELIEF when JESUS HIMSELF spoke to me and ALL OF A SUDDEN gave me a heavenly feeling and He told me with a clear and calm voice: 'Hans, there are two things you can do: commit suicide or start reading the Bible'.
    I had NEVER read the Bible in my life!
    JESUS knew this was my problem!
    So I bought myself a brand new (Dutch) Bible and I started to read it.
    JESUS didn't tell me 'I want you to read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 FIRST and then Romans through Philemon'.
    NO!
    He just wanted me to read HIS BIBLE, HIS WORD.
    I didn't know Him AT ALL!
    I needed to learn WHO He really is.
    This happened on January 15, 1984 that JESUS spoke to me AGAIN, because He said the SAME words to me, under SIMILAR circumstances a little over 3 years earlier, at the end of 1980 when I was almost 21 years old.
    The first time that this happened I was alone in my room and the second time this happened there was a WITNESS: my late mother.
    She ddn't hear JESUS speak, but she could see the ENORMOUS change in my mood and attitude, because I was DESPERATE and I CRIED incessantly and it felt like it was never going to end, and NOBODY could comfort me and not even my own mother whom I love(d) dearly.
    But there was ONE PERSON who could comfort me and who could give me NEW HOPE: JESUS CHRIST, GOD ALMIGHTY in human capacity/in the flesh.
    I didn't see Him, but it was clear it was Him, because like after the first time it happened I said to myself 'THIS IS GOD!'.
    I'm an EX-atheist!
    Realize what an atheist is: a GOD-DENIER!
    I did NOT believe in the existence of a god or deities.
    If you teach that there is no eternal lake of fire you turn me into a LIAR, because then you assert that JESUS did not save me from going to an ETERNAL place of TORMENT.
    If you teach that NOT ALL humans are created to be LIKE the angels and EXIST FOREVER, then what's the use of the Final Judgement concerning the BILLIONS of SINNERS who have died in their SINS?
    Why would God give them a resurrection from the dead so that He can Judge them if they're already DEAD and GONE, according to YOU?
    This doesn't make sense!
    You believe in an ILLOGICAL GOD!
    It ONLY makes sense that God will judge ALL people and fallen angels because they are meant to exist FOR EVER!

    GOD IS NOT ABLE TO DESTROY SPIRITUAL BEINGS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE!
    But He CAN cast REPROBATE SINNERS, who are NOT saved, into His eternal DETENTION CENTER, the SUPERNATURAL LAKE OF FIRE!

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    Steve Rosberg
    2 months ago
    Edward Fudge makes a good case for annihilationism.
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    sincitypreacher
    sincitypreacher
    2 months ago
    Yes, he is very knowledgeable on the subject and a great resource for us.

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    1. Knowledge Scavenger, YES, if we use COMMON Biblical SENSE the issue is easy to resolve.
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      Hans S
      Hans S
      15 seconds ago (edited)
      MG42pillbox, I know you from the past on YouTube and here's an interesting video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=HTMqtixcpC4

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      MG42pillbox
      MG42pillbox
      1 week ago
      This is something that should take priority over many issues. I notice many luke warm "feel gooders" don't have the slightest clue about this. & this is much more cut and dry than many topics that are discussed or debated.
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      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      1 week ago
      Yep, pretty basic stuff, and easy to resolve if we just think it through.

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    2. Knowledge Scavenger,
      Sister Paula, thanks for the links!


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      Hans S
      Hans S
      34 minutes ago (edited)
      Knowledge Scavenger,
      Sister Paula, please provide links to the relevant articles in your description box.
      Thanks!
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      29 minutes ago
      I'll have to watch my own video again to see which ones those were, lol. The main reason I haven't been putting links in the description box is because that's what got me a "spam" strike back in January, though they lifted it after a few weeks. I have been putting links in the chat instead.
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      10 minutes ago (edited)
      Was it mainly the Uni article on my blog? http://fether.net/index.php?ID=124 also http://fether.net/index.php?ID=502
      Hans S
      Hans S
      1 minute ago (edited)
      Okay.
      I have no problems with that on my own YouTube channel and under my videos.
      responding to: "The main reason I haven't been putting links in the description box is because that's what got me a "spam" strike back in January, though they lifted it after a few weeks. I have been putting links in the chat instead."

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    3. PS: Sister Paula, when I've read someone's comments I give it a 'thumbs up' when I like it, but also to let the other know that I've read it, and then the other person gets a notification of it.

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      Renee Roland
      1 hour ago (edited)
      Only prob i see is that theres nothing that says we r immortal without Jesus and eternal life being tortured is still eternal life so im trying to really dig deep on this issue. Im looking into the greek n hebrew on every verse to see if translations were limited bc of the englush bc i know forever is translated from aeon which is finite amount of time..im really studying the full counsel of God on this. Old test n new test have verses that csnt be reconciled bc they say the unsaved are destroyed and perish snd suffer 2nd death. Im trying to keep my mind free from tradition on this and see all things new. Its y i just warn of hell and dont define it ..but focus on the god news and the one who saved us ...im praying god will give me revelation of truth on this issue..im only being a bearean not s heretic..just trying to b a clesn slate and patiently wait on God for understanding
      Hans S
      Hans S
      37 minutes ago
      Renee, have you watched and listened to the entire video?
      I'm still watching and I'm at 36 minutes when I'm typing this.
      Something else: when we communicate in writing we're not in a hurry, so please try not to use so many abbreviations, and if we make a mistake we can always edit our comments.
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      34 minutes ago
      Excellent attitude, Renee, we all need to be good Bereans. But when I check all the scriptures, including several that very clearly speak of at least some sentient beings suffering eternal torment, the only conclusion I can draw is that it must be true. The Gospel is robbed of its power and purpose if there is no consciousness of one's eternal state.

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    4. Knowledge Scavenger, when I was an unbeliever (atheist=God-denier) and also after JESUS came into my life, I went through several bad experiences and they were not God's fault, but the result of my own bad choices and God-the Lord JESUS allowed it to happen so that I would learn from it.
      Before JESUS spoke to me, when He came into my life, I was sure I was on my way to hell.
      Not the devil, or something inside of me made me sure of it, but God HIMSELF, because it was TRUE!
      And then ALL OF A SUDDEN I felt TOTALLY relieved and then JESUS spoke to me and this is what he said (in Dutch): 'Hans, there are two things you can do: committing suicide or starting to read the Bible'.
      JESUS knew I had NEVER read the Bible, because I was totally UNINTERESTED.

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      Renee Roland
      Renee Roland
      54 minutes ago
      Ps ppl suffer here but thats not God causing it. You said if annihilation is true then its unjust to have any suffering but i thought thats a natural consequences of a fallen world not God doing it
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      39 minutes ago
      Agree that God does not cause most our suffering here, but in some cases he does; see 1 Cor. 11:30 and Heb. 12:8.
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    5. Renee, I know you're still against it, but this former atheist became a believer in God-JESUS-the Bible-creation AFTER he had discovered the flat earth reality, because this reality confirms creation, and 'evolution' and the 'big bang' THEORIES were concocted by Satan through his JESUITS so that people would believe that we are NOTHING but 'stardust', instead of creatures who are VERY SPECIAL to God, living on an UNIQUE earth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=HTMqtixcpC4

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      Renee Roland
      42 minutes ago
      Athiezt have faith..good point bc thier god is time. If enuf time passes the laws of nature stop being applied..entrophy turns to order out of nowhere creating life out of chaos and stuff exists out of nothing for no reason. Athiests would say you were crazy for saying mt Rushmore was random through wind erosion yet claim the comolexity and precision of life and the universe was an accident bc enuf time passed. I dont care how much time passes but a pile of lawnmower parts wont evolve into a working mower without intelligence behind it
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      54 minutes ago
      Exactly, the fact that anything exists and that it is orderly is proof of a Designer and First Cause being supernatural.

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    6. Knowledge Scavenger,
      Sister Paula, Universalism is pure satanism
      , because it's in the interest of Satan, and Annihilationism is SATANIC too, because it's also in Satan's interest.
      In the past I had many confrontations with Dutch adherents of these fallacies and later also on the English internet, and most of them don't WANT TO be corrected.
      They DENY from WHAT JESUS has SAVED us!
      It's IMPOSSIBLE for God-the Lord JESUS to annihilate or to destroy SPIRITUAL BEINGS like ANGELS and HUMANS, because all humans are meant to be like the angels.
      But it is possible for God-the Lord JESUS to cast the condemned into His eternal and supernatural detention center, the lake of fire.

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      57 minutes ago
      Hi Hans, yes, this teaching has been around for a long time, and as I hope the video shows, is not compatible with scripture. Both Anni and Uni make the cross completely pointless, and empty this life of all meaning. God is love, but he is also holy, and the judgments to come will make that very clear.
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      Hans S
      Hans S
      48 minutes ago (edited)
      Knowledge Scavenger, I LOVE your LOVE for the TRUTH=JESUS!
      Blessings in our Savior JESUS!

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    7. What is Abraham’s bosom? https://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahams-bosom.html

      Answer: The term “Abraham’s bosom” is found only once in the New Testament, in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), in which Jesus was teaching about was the reality of heaven and hell. “Abraham’s bosom” in this story is also translated “Abraham’s side” (NIV, ESV), “next to Abraham” (CEV), “with Abraham” (NLT), and “the arms of Abraham” (NCV). These various translations speak to the enigmatic nature of the Greek word kolpos.

      All these translations are attempting to convey the sense that Lazarus went to a place of rest, contentment, and peace, almost as though Abraham (a highly revered person in Jewish history) was the protector or patron. In a sad contrast, the rich man finds himself in torment with no one to help, assist or console him.

      Contrary to some contemporary thought, the Bible does teach that both heaven and hell are real places. Each person who lives will spend eternity in one of these two places. These two destinies are portrayed in Jesus’ story. While the rich man had lived for the day and only focused on life here on earth, Lazarus endured many hardships while trusting in God. So, verses 22 and 23 are significant: “So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”

      Death can be thought of as separation. Physical death is the separation of our body from our soul/spirit, while spiritual death is the separation of our soul from God. Jesus taught that we ought not to fear physical death, but we should be most concerned about spiritual death. As we read in Luke 12:4-5, Jesus also said, "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him!” Jesus’ use of the term “Abraham’s bosom” was a part of His teaching to focus the minds of His hearers on the fact that our choices to seek God or disregard Him here on earth literally affect where we spend eternity.

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    8. Knwoledge Scavenger, and to think that the rich wasn't yet in the lake of fire but in the realm of the dead, as we call it in Dutch (translated) or Hades.
      The lake of fire is much worse than the realm of the dead!
      In the lake of fire ALL condemned (both fallen angels and humans with resurrected bodies) will only say ONE thing FOREVER: JESUS is THE LORD=the BOSS.
      Boss is a Dutch word btw, deriving from 'baas' when New York was still New Amsterdam.
      The spelling is different, but boss and baas sound almost the same.
      One of the VERY few Dutch words in the English language: English: the language of the Roman Empire-Vatican NWO https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2014/11/english-language-of-roman-empire.html

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      3 hours ago
      Great comment, Hans. That account of the rich man proves that there is torment for the unrighteous dead, and the duration doesn't absolve Annihilationism of calling God sadistic. Why didn't God just destroy the rich man's soul in hell, as Annihilationism teaches?
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      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      3 hours ago
      I do try, Hans, but sometimes the comment speaks for itself and I have nothing to add. I do read them all though.

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    9. Knowledge Scavenger,
      Before I discovered the Geneva Bible
      , I already used the KJV and the World English Bible, and the WEB uses Hades instead of hell: https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Hades&qs_version=WEB
      Suppose DUTCH would have been the world language, then Satan and the Vatican=the disguised Roman Empire, would have used this language instead.
      Read the article I wrote myself and see what I mean, and of course based on the Bible and the prophetic word.

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      30 minutes ago
      Hans S, good point about Hades vs. the Lake of Fire. I took a quick look at the link you gave, but I question the point there, which seems to be that English is somehow an evil and Satanic language.

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    10. Knowledge Scavenger,
      Of course the English language (partly Germanic, partly Romance
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OynrY8JCDM ) is a GREAT vehicle for God-the Lord JESUS in order to get many people saved, but that's not the point.
      I hope you've read the piece, and then you'll see that Satan and the Vatican know they can establish a WORLD DICTATORSHIP again, like during the time of Babel when there was only ONE language, using the English language.

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      22 minutes ago
      I looked over it again, and I still think that since we have access to the Greek text, that whatever may be the case against English, it can't stop us from knowing the truth. Many people have been saved through English language Bibles of course, so God still uses it.

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    11. Knowledge Scavenger, you don't need to to focus on this issue, but if you know, what I know, that the USA, which is the most powerful nation on earth and which is an ENGLISH speaking nation, is totally under the control of the Jesuits and the Vatican, then you would be very interested. English is also the main language of the EU, which is the revived Roman Empire.
      Again: there's NOTHING wrong with the English language, but EVERYTHING with Satan by using this language.
      Listen to this fellow American brother and who's 8 years older than me and who's a former atheist like me:
      Eric J. Phelps https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Eric%20J.%20Phelps

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      28 minutes ago
      I wouldn't doubt that English could serve as a one-world language and that Satan could use it for evil. The question is, how does this apply to us now? Are we to abandon English and burn all the English Bibles? I know you're not saying that, but you know I believe the scriptural prophecies about the end times. I just don't understand why the use of English by Satan is something I need to focus on.

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    12. Knowledge Scavenger, I'm telling you this, because you're an American and many Americans don't (want to) know that the US is the 2nd beast system of Revelation 13.
      The Vatican is always the first: 3 'City States' Rule the World https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2014/05/3-city-states-rule-world.html
      Maybe you can get through to people who still think it's not so bad.
      My country, the Netherlands, ceased to be a sovereign nation in 2009 and it's now a small province of the revived Roman Empire, but longer ago the Jesuits changed the Dutch republic into a FAKE monarchy after Napoleon occupied my country in 1755, on behalf of the Jesuits.
      ALL monarchies serve the Vatican and all US presidents are PAPAL puppets.
      Putin is PLAYING his role as adversary: Vladimir Putin Is In The 33 Boys Club https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2018/04/vladimir-putin-is-in-33-boys-club.html
      There's only ONE escape: Faith in JESUS Christ according to the only right gospel of grace, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and all such saved believers are ALWAYS ready for the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rature, our BLESSED HOPE! https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/HwZuYVFm9Ag

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      54 minutes ago
      Yes, there is no doubt about that. I believe that the west will be the kingdom of the Beast, that the Vatican is the harlot riding it, and that the secular beast will devour the religious harlot midway through the Tribulation. Still, this hardly means that English is a tool of the devil to any more degree than other languages. This is why I go back to the original languages of the Bible rather than rely on translations alone.
      Hans S
      Hans S
      14 minutes ago (edited)
      Knowledge Scavenger,
      The JESUITS are LUCIFERIANS and SATANISTS and the current Pope is also the 'black pope', the boss.
      Check out this info from Eric Jon Phelps, updated by me: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/04/the-satanic-power-tree.html
      The Jesuits have an official leader, but he's a distraction from the real 'black pope', the POPE. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Black%20Pope
      The Roman Catholic church is also a DISTRACTION and ISLAM too, which was created by the Vatican. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2014/07/how-vatican-created-islam-by-alberto.html
      Communism http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Communism and fascism are also inventions of the Jesuits, and also the 'big bang' http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2016/06/jesuit-priest-georges-lemaitre-invented.html and 'evolution' THEORIES, and they know the earth is flat and round, with a firmament, exactly what the Bible says, but they promote the globe earth lie and heliocentrism since about 5 centuries. https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Flat%20Earth

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    13. The JESUIT-controlled Nazis didn't lose the war!
      They escaped to the USA, aided by the Vatican, INCLUDING Adolf Hitler who did NOT commit suicide. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2011/10/world-was-lied-to-about-hitler-death.html
      It's getting crazier: the former president George Herbert Bush is a GERMAN NAZI!
      His real surname is Scherff. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazi-america-adolf-hitler-was-alive-and.html
      But it can always get crazier: 'Obama' is Hitler's GRANDSON http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2017/08/nazi-america-truth-about-so-called.html and Angela 'Merkel' of Germany is Hitler's DAUGHTER. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Angela%20Hitler
      The PAPACY is the ANTICHRIST by DEFAULT! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Papacy
      The Pope is the Vicar of Christ=the in place of Christ, which means ANTICHRIST, and ANTI in this respect means in place of'. http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Antichrist

      This discovery at the end of 2011 was very important to me: The Vatican Jesuit Holocaust http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-vatican-jesuit-holocaust.html

      The end goal of Satan and the Jesuits is JERUSALEM: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/11/the-most-controversial-little-piece-of.html

      Paula, again I tell you that it's NOT about the English language as such, but about the fact that English became the world language.
      Knowledge Scavenger
      Knowledge Scavenger
      9 minutes ago
      Agree that the Jesuits are Luciferians, etc. The whole world is under the control of Satan, I've never doubted this. Why are you telling me these things that have been well known for quite a while now?

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    14. Knowledge Scavenger, we're CITIZENS of HEAVEN and the fact that you are an American and I'm a Dutch person is irrelevant in this respect.
      WE BELONG TO JESUS!
      There are MANY Dutch people who don't realize that we're living in NAZI-EUROPE and even more people in the US don't know that the US FINANCED both Hitler and Stalin in the past, on behalf of the Jesuits and Satan.
      The reason why the BEST English Bible (though not perfect) was and IS so HATED by Satan and the Vatican and the FREEMASON King James (Freemasons serve the Vatican) was/is because this translation was made by genuine reformers and ANTI-Catholic church activists.
      The first 'American Bible' was the Geneva Bible, printed also in large quantities in the Netherlands.
      UNTIL ROME became VERY ANGRY and ordered to produce a replacement, which became the subtly changed KJV https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/search/label/KJV
      Owners of a Geneva Bible were persecuted.
      I know that (thank God!) you're not an KJV-onlyist.
      I'm also not a Geneva Bible-onlyist, because when I read the Bible, I read online in English but also in my language, Dutch, and sometimes in German.
      And I compare translations with each other in order to get the best possible understanding of the text.

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      Knowledge Scavenger
      11 minutes ago
      Hard to lump all Americans together like that. Plus, I've posted links to my channel and blog enough that anyone should know what I'm about.

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  9. We must make a distinction between the 'realm of the dead' and 'the lake of fire'.
    Before JESUS' death, everybody went to the 'realm of the dead' and during the time He was in this realm He made a special place for the righteous deceased, which He called 'Paradise' to the man on the cross who asked JESUS to think about Him.
    The man in the video believes in the unbiblical concept of fallen angels who had sex with earthly women in Genesis 6, which is based on the occult 'book of Enoch'.

    The problem with Bibles like the KJV and also the Geneva Bible is that different words were translated into the same word 'hell'.

    In the World English Bible they make the right distinction:

    Revelation 20:14 World English Bible (WEB)

    14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+20:14&version=WEB

    Compare:

    Revelation 20:14 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    14 And death, and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death.

    Revelation 20:14 King James Version (KJV)

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    HADES (the realm of the dead in Dutch= dodenrijk) is better than the word hell.

    The man in the video is WRONG, because he believes that condemned people will be DESTROYED, which is IMPOSSIBLE because ALL people are meant to be like the angels, which are supernatural beings with supernatural bodies.

    Supernatural bodies cannot be destroyed, but they can be detained forever in the supernatural lake of fire, and supernatural bodies can sense pleasure and pain.

    The saved will ONLY sense PLEASURE in heaven and on the New Earth with their future supernatural bodies, and the condemned will ONLY sense pain in the eternal lake of fire with their supernatural bodies.

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  10. Hans S
    1 second ago

    2:36 There's a difference between hell (Hades, the realm of the dead) and the lake of fire. AMEN! Then you say 'I DON'T CARE' whether hell-the lake of fire is eternal torment or annihilation.
    That's not Biblical, Renee, and you should care, because if annihilation is true than JESUS died for NOTHING, because all the 'baddies' will be DESTROYED and won't exist anymore.
    This is exactly what Satan wants, because he knows he's going to burn FOREVER, but he wants us to believe that we won't exist anymore after the Final Judgement, in case we belong to the condemned, so that's an 'easy' way out for real EVIL people.
    HUMANS CANNOT be DESTROYED BY GOD, because we're all meant to be LIKE THE ANGELS and angels have SUPERNATURAL BODIES that can't be destroyed!
    But they can be DETAINED FOREVER in the SUPERNATURAL lake of fire, and resurrected humans too!

    Matthew 22:30 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    For in the resurrection they neither marry wives, nor wives are bestowed in marriage, but are as the Angels of God in heaven.

    Matthew 22:29-32 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    29 Then Jesus answered, and said unto them, Ye are deceived, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God.

    30 For in the resurrection they neither marry wives, nor wives are bestowed in marriage, but are as the [a]Angels of God in heaven.

    31 And concerning the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read what is spoken unto you of God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Please take this criticism seriously, though I believe you're my sister in JESUS and saved by Him and NOT unsaved, like some of your critics assert: RENEE ROLAND SAYS THAT HELL IS NOT AN ESSENTIAL DOCTRINE FOR SALVATION- HERESY- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3oZW2UbiM&t=11s

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  11. sincitypreacher
    Luke, the second death doesn't mean eternal destruction but eternal SEPARATION from God.

    God CANNOT destroy supernatural creatures!

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    sincitypreacher
    sincitypreacher
    4 hours ago
    BRILLIANT! I added this to my playlist SCIENCE, GOD AND THE BIBLE :)
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    Hans S
    Hans S
    4 hours ago
    Do you still believe that supernatural beings like fallen angels and condemned and resurrected people with supernatural bodies can BURN UP in the lake of fire so that they no longer exist?
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    John Hind
    John Hind
    2 hours ago (edited)
    Hans S lt's an issue l 've always had an open mind about. My argument is this , eternal torture , no you wouldn't do that to a dog , yet that's looking at it from man's point of view. As I once heard Billy Graham say , God is fair , there won't be any body in heaven who shouldn't be in heaven , neither will there be any body in hell who shouldn't be in hell. I feel more inclined to think about our sweet sister in the Lord Jesus Christ Kat Kerr. Kat Kerr , her experiences of the glories of heaven rather than the horrors of the of the other place.
    Renee Roland
    Renee Roland
    44 minutes ago
    +John Hind its the 2nd death n eternal torture never ending was not a doctrine tol anout 4th century when greek philosophy snuck in saying man os immortal soul but bible says only God is immortal w.o. beginning or end. Hell otself is destroyed in the lake of fire. Ppl dony realixe they r 2 dif places
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    sincitypreacher
    sincitypreacher
    40 minutes ago
    John, I would be happy if you agreed with my conclusions on this subject but if you never agree that is ok with me. In fairness to yourself and in fairness to JESUS I hope that you would at least take plenty of time to study both sides of this issue. You can go to my playlist WHAT IS THE STATE OF THE DEAD and/or go to the channel "rethinking hell" to learn about "conditional immortality" and the "destruction of both body and soul" in the lake of fire, which is the "second death". If you do take time to consider this then please let me know of your conclusions. Thanks :)
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    John Hind
    John Hind
    34 minutes ago
    sincitypreacher Brother Luke it would be a privilege.
    John Hind
    John Hind
    1 minute ago
    Renee , your wonderful messages have gotten me out of the fear of death and hades. I praise God for our ill deserved blessings in this life and the life to come. Many thanks and God bless you.
    Hans S
    Hans S
    1 second ago
    John Hind
    Kat Kerr is as PENTECOSTAL as can be and do you really believe she visits JESUS on a daily basis?
    The point is that even God=JESUS cannot DESTROY spiritual beings He has made!
    But he CAN DETAIN them FOREVER in a place called the lake of fire, which is of course a SUPERNATURAL FIRE.
    All humans are meant to be LIKE the angels and angels are supernatural beings.
    Both in heaven and in the lake of fire they will say the same: JESUS IS the LORD!
    People who ACCUSE God of being a SADIST are playing with FIRE.

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    1. God is a God of law and order and He doesn't want to spend His eternity with creatures who continue to mock Him, so He concocted a solution and that's the lake of fire.
      Even SAVED believers in JESUS who don't care about His holy commandments and who are making a MESS of their lives will first go through the FIRE in order to UNLEARN their bad behavior while they were in their flesh on earth.....but they ARE saved forever!
      But the UNBELIEVERS and the WICKED who refused to believe in our God of LOVE and RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUSTICE, personified in JESUS CHRIST, will forever realize how wrong they are, and since even God cannot destroy them they'll go to His supernatural JAIL, the lake of fire and WHY this FIRE?
      To FORCE them to proclaim that HE, JESUS, is LORD=the BOSS!
      And after this God will IGNORE them FOREVER because He has BETTER things to do: celebrate His eternal WEDDING FEAST with His faithful angels and His saved beloved humans on His NEW Earth and under a NEW Heaven and in His NEW Jerusalem.
      Hans S
      Hans S
      1 second ago
      Renee, in my DUTCH Bible the place that is called 'hell' in the KJV and even in the Geneva Bible is called the REALM OF THE DEAD (translated) and THIS will be cast into the ETERNAL lake of fire, God's TRASH CAN.
      But there's a translation in English that comes close:
      Revelation 20:14 World English Bible (WEB)
      Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

      Hades is the realm of the dead.

      People are meant to be like the angels and angels exist FOREVER:

      Mark 12:24-25 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      24 Then Jesus answered, and said unto them, Are ye not therefore deceived, because ye know not the Scriptures, neither the power of God?

      25 For when they shall rise again from the dead, neither men marry, nor wives are married, but are as the Angels which are in heaven.

      JESUS wasn't specifically talking about SAVED people.
      But He can detain them forever and He will.

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    2. John Hind
      JESUS gave us the Apostle Paul!

      I don't believe Kat Kerr is proclaiming the right gospel of grace and I don't believe she visits JESUS in heaven and I know she teaches falsehood: https://tinyurl.com/ybfhv2m9

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      John Hind
      40 minutes ago (edited)
      Hans S How does one know whether or not Kat Kerr has this gift of regularly meeting Jesus in heaven and even entering the throne room? I trust like us she believes in eternal security , once saved always saved. On her comment boxes , l have asked her to confirm that with me several times , but to my knowledge not yet had any reply. In my humble opinion Kat Kerr suffers a lot of unfair attacks too.

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    1. All people are meant to be like the immortal angels and exist forever.
      The question is where?
      In heaven and on the New Earth or in the eternal and supernatural lake of fire.

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