zaterdag 9 november 2013

Pre-Tribulation-Rapture Under Attack!


Reply 11/05/13
RevelationTwelve11

This is meant for YOU in your own words:
"You're wrong on this issue, and it's a shame you're ATTACKING fellow believers in JESUS Christ!
Satan is very happy about that, but JESUS isn't.
Do you really want to be under God's WRATH?
May God-JESUS show you the truth.
I's a SIN to call me and others, who LOVE JESUS Christ, liars!"


Of course the above comment has been DELETED by this COWARD and ENEMY of believers in the pre-trib-rapture. 



The Lord Himself will rebuke you for rising up in prideful REBELLION against HIS TRUTH! You were given the definition of the meaning of "apostasia" from the most highly-respected source: STRONG'S. But you PREFER to believe what YOU want to believe...the TWISTED teachings of the devil's FALSE TEACHING of pre-trib! They are trying to put a NEW meaning to a word that has ALWAYS been known to mean DEFECTION FROM TRUTH and FALLING AWAY! Even the ENGLISH word APOSTASY still means what its GREEK ROOT WORD apostasia means...if you look up apostasy in any English dictionary it STILL CARRIES the ORIGINAL MEANING from the Greek: "renunciation of religious faith" and "DEFECTION." Pre-tribbers are ALREADY "APOSTATE" in the sense that you have DEFECTED FROM THE TRUTH and ATTACKED the TRUTH OF GOD! According to John 8:43-47, that is what the devil's children do - they rise up against the words of the Lord... SO WHOSE CHILD ARE YOU??? The only "departure" for pre-tribbers is departure (DEFECTION) from the TRUTH of GOD.

REPENT - or you will PERISH under the GREAT DELUSION that God Himself will send upon all those who DO NOT "LOVE THE TRUTH!" (2 Thess.2:10)

If you LOVED HIS TRUTH and had any understanding of it, then you would be able to SEE that WHEN KEPT IN PROPER CONTEXT, the SUBJECT of 2 Thess 2 is the COMING of the Lord AND our GATHERING TOGETHER TO HIM which is THE RAPTURE (verse 1)... and it then says THAT DAY will not come UNTIL the *APOSTASIA* COMES FIRST. SO READ IT IN ITS CONTEXT! The FALSE PRE-TRIB way of reading it would be RIDICULOUS because if you're going to believe that apostasia means departure/rapture, then this passage would be saying: "The DAY of the coming of the Lord and the gathering of His people (RAPTURE) cannot come until the rapture comes first." So in pre-trib thinking (WHEN KEPT IN CONTEXT which pre-trib NEVER DOES!) the rapture would have to come before the rapture!!!! But that's why pre-trib ALWAYS LEAVES OUT 2 Thess 2 VERSE 1... and takes verse 3 BY ITSELF = OUT OF ITS CONTEXT!!! The DAY that verse 3 refers to is the DAY of verses 1 & 2...the DAY of the coming of the Lord and the gathering/rapture... and THAT DAY WILL NOT COME until the APOSTASY/FALLING AWAY/DEFECTION FROM TRUTH comes FIRST!

And unless you REPENT, you are already APOSTATE, having exchanged God's TRUTH for the pre-trib LIE that will send many to their DESTRUCTION! STOP SERVING THE DEVIL TO SPREAD HIS END TIMES LIES!!!

Goodbye to you,

Revelation Twelve11 (This is the You Tube name THE LORD JESUS CHRIST told me to use...because IT DECLARES HIS TRUTH! I OBEY HIM!)


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They overcame him because of the Lamb’s blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn’t love their life, even to death.
Revelation 12:11
This is about the believers during the tribulation AFTER the rapture!
http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2012/02/rapture-under-attack.html


More MADNESS from another ANTI-pre-trib-rapture TERRORIST, who's also too scared to reveal his true name:

Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Tribulation Rapture Believer: Here's Why 
 
I'm 53 years old, and my real first name is Hans, and you hide behind 'Christ isLord'.

Take the time to listen to this and then you'll know what I endorse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfAPPWSYOs

Hans

PS; it's about JESUS, and JESUS wants us to love each other.
I hope you understand.

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Subject:

Date:

11/02/13
Message:
The wrath and tribulation are two diffrent things. Read your bible kiddo! Get off the milk.

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/03/13 
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Tribulation Rapture Believer: Here's Why 
 
Still no name and no friendy word from you.

I wonder whether you really know JESUS Christ and whether you're saved.

JESUS loves you,

Satan hates you, and you're lost without JESUS Christ.

Hans
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Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
Truth is love, lies are wicked. Jesus comes AFTER the son of perdition is revealed, AFTER the tribulation! The bible is clear, stop believing a lie!!

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
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From 'Behind Enemy Lines' 1990 - Original upload 3/9/2008
http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/
Rapture info: http://www.theabalonekid.com/
Lyrics:

Take Us Away [Ochoa / Ronson]

Lord take us away, we're longing to be set free
For we believe Your word, that...
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/03/13 
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Tribulation Rapture Believer: Here's Why 
 
I'm glad you believe in JESUS Christ, but don't call me a 'kiddo' anymore, and not because I look down on children (on the contrary!), but this is not the way to address a fellow believer in JESUS Christ, and I don't like the word 'kid', because the right word is child.

The issue of the pre-trib-mid-trib-post-trib-rapture is NOT about heaven or hell, Jesus or Satan, being saved or being condemned.

I believe in the pre-trib-rapture and I believe you're wrong about this issue, and you believe I am wrong on this.

There are MILLIONS of real believers in JESUS who are sleeping in Paradise, after they've deceased.

To them this issue is NOT important.

Earlier this year a brother in JESUS Christ died, and he's know waiting to be resurrected by JESUS.

He wrote an excellent article about this issue, and he compared alle views; pre-trib-mid-trib-post-trib.

Pleas read it carefully and pray for wisdom:

The Rapture of the Church
http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/03/the-rapture-of-church-by-jack-kinsella.html

Hans

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Christ IsLord
Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
Jesus tells us to study the scripture to show your self approved. Right now, youre believing in a heresy, i love you enough to tell you that. As believers we are supposed to reprove rebuke and exhort heresies and whoever is a pharisees. If someone says something that doesnt align with the bible, we need to speak boldy about it, and the only way we will know of thats the case is if we have read the bible cover to cover. Not just the parts we like. Jesus is love, correct. But hes also the judge. And he told it like it is, from genesis to revelations. Correction is love, thats why were commanded to correct our children. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Love is not just soft spoken kind words. Its mutlifaceted, its just, its truth, its humility, its longsuffering. Telling someone they are wrong about gods word, and showing what gods word says is love and were commanded to do it. Read mathew 24:29, mark 13:24, joel 2:10, isaiah 13:9 revelation 6:12. They are all about the day of the lord, and when it happens, which is after the tribulation. Of course we dont know the day or hour, but we do know that the ANTICHRIST comes first, AT ANY TIME, and christ comes after him. Rapture and second coming are the same event, wrath and tribulation are two different events.
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/03/13
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Tribulation Rapture Believer: Here's Why 
 
I glad you're saved and you're not a child of the devil; so praise JESUS!

Aren't you sure you're filled with God's Holy Spirit (realise; JESUS is God)?

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?

Luke 11:13

Pray this very simple prayer aloud; "Father, I need your Holy Spirit, so fill me with your Holy Spirit, RIGHT NOW, and THANK YOU VERY MUCH, in JESUS' name, amen!"

Now PRAISE Him, and confirm the fulfilment with God's Holy Spirit and you're RAPTURE READY!

source; http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/11/666-micro-chip-implant-coming-november.html#more

God bless you in JESUS' name!

Hans

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Christ IsLord
Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
Jesus blood paid for my sins and the worlds sins. Im sealed in christ by grace through faith. I am saved, and its not by my works, or repenting of sins!

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/03/13 
babe in christ
Yes, 'I'm a babe in Christ', and 'I've learned nothing since january 1984, when JESUS definitely came into my life'.

Hans
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Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
You are a babe in christ. Read the bible and learn sound doctrine.

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13


lay it to rest
I didn't come to you, accusing you of believing in false teaching; you came to me!

Again; listen to this teaching and then you'll know what I believe; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfAPPWSYOs


Hans
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Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
Ive already told you in the bible where to find the answer. Lets make this easy and lay it to rest. Show me where the bible says christ raptures the saints before the tribulation (satans wrath)

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
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Hal Lindsey Report: 3/22/2013 http://www.hallindsey.com/
In Memoriam: Jack Kinsella, 1952-2013 http://www.raptureready.com... All glory to God-JESUS Christ!
http://www.omegaletter.com/
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13 
There is a time and place for everything
You're not approaching me as a brother, because you still haven't mentioned you real name.

I believe you've got it wrong, concerning the rapture, but I'm not accusing you of anything and I'm not calling you names.

The time is now for brothers and sisters in JESUS Christ to love each other:

http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2011/06/het-hogepriesterlijk-gebed-high.html

Hans

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Subject:

Date:

11/03/13
Message:
Let me ask you a question, is it biblical to call a brother in christ a hypocrite when they are sinning and preaching against that certain sin? and is it wrong to call your brother a sodomite, or a thief, if he is? The answer is yes. Watch steven Andersons video on Judging. Its ok to speak the truth even if it might be offensive. There is a time and place for everything,

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: Reply to your comment on: I am now a Post Trib...
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13


the right verses
No,
I've already told you to listen to Chuck Missler http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzfAPPWSYOs

He's got all the right verses for you.

Read this comment;

KenNyStar15 1 month ago

Wow!! Rapture is indeed taught in the word of God. Some of us really need to pray for revelation regarding the word of God and its understanding.

http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=r-79fy680rnqIjHY-eyJ8CuPVph7U8mRsdBdaIMyskw

End of discussion.

JESUS bless you,

Hans

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Subject:

Date:

11/04/13
Message:
Show me the verses

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: There is a time and place for everything
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13
why are you angry? 
 
Why are you so angry?

You say 'for christs sake', but I'm calling my hero JESUS.

You believe in JESUS Christ, but you miss something; the indwelling of His Holy Spirit.

That's the whole point, and that's why you think the pre-trib-rapture is a lie.

Now, what's easier; to believe in the coming pre-trib-rapture, or to believe we'll have to go through the coming tribulation, which means that we can sit and wait till the antichrist starts his world dictatorship?

If we're prepared to go at ANY moment, than this demands an imminency (the state of being imminent and liable to happen soon).

I'm like Noah who's waiting for God's judgement to begin, because the tribulation is God's wrath, and not Satan's wrath, and like Noah I know that I will escape this ordeal, because I believe that worshippers of JESUS Christ aren't under God's wrath, because God is not angry at His children, but He's angry at people who don't really love Him.

Ask the Father to be filled with His Holy Spirit and praise the name of JESUS, and God will be your guide in everything.

I wasn't raised as a Christian, and I used to be an atheist and a believer in evolution, and I'm not calling myself a Christian, but a follower of JESUS Christ, because that's what I am.

Many people call themselves Christians, while they're not real followers and worshippers of Jesus Christ.

"Father, in JESUS' mighty name, I pray for this believer in you, that you'll give him your peace and your rest, and make it clear to him that you don't want to punish him during the tribulation, but that you want to take him to where you are, but make him clear that he asks for the indwelling of your Holy Spirit, so that you'll always be inside of him, and so that he'll be happy with anyone who's also a believer in you. I pray this in another tongue than my mother tongue, because my mother tongue is Dutch and not English, amen".

Hans, from the Netherlands

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Subject:

Date:

11/04/13
Message:
You dont need to pray for revelation for gods word its already been revealed! Just read it. Read matthew 24:29 for christs sake!

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re: the right verses
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13
 believe that angels had sex with humans
No, I don't believe that.

But that's another subject.

I'm not following people, but only JESUS, and I pick and choose what God shows me is good and safe, and if someone teaches falsehood, then I still respect the good things they're teaching.

Hans


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Subject:

Date:

11/04/13
Message:
Wow you probably believe that angels had sex with humans and made hybrids! Thats what chuck teaches. I used to believe that junk, UNTIL I READ THE BIBLE, not just a few verses

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13
about the rapture 
 
This is my latest topic on my site, and it's about the rapture:

http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/11/is-rapture-in-2-thessalonians-23.html

Bless you, in JESUS' name!


Hans
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/04/13
JESUS doesn't like cowards
I've read the WHOLE Bible several times, and I still read it.

You're not ready for the tribulation, since you're not even willing to tell your real name to a fellow believer in God-JESUS-the Bible.

JESUS doesn't like cowards.

But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.
Revelation 21,8

http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?m=Op+21%2C8&id42=1&id14=1&id32=1&id33=1&id6=1&id7=1&l=nl&set=10

I also suggest you read 1 Corinthians 13 (again)

http://www.biblija.net/biblija.cgi?m=1+Kor+13&id42=1&id14=1&id32=1&id33=1&id6=1&id7=1&l=nl&set=10

If you dare to send me another PM without your real (first) name I will block you, because then it's clear you behave like an anonymous unbeliever and an accuser who isn't willing to listen.

Hans

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Christ IsLord
Subject:

Date:

11/05/13
Message:
So youre rejecting mounds of scripture for a biblical doctrine? Hmmm

From:
Hans S
To:
Christ IsLord
Subject:
Re:about the rapture
Sent to: Christ IsLord 11/05/13




19 opmerkingen:

  1. Pre-Tribulation-Rapture Under Attack! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2013/11/pre-tribulation-rapture-under-attack.html

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  2. Commentaar auf Niederländisch: Jörgen, hoe is het mogelijk dat de JOOD JEZUS ooit zijn EIGEN volk zou vergeten?
    Tracht het vanuit ZIJN standpunt te begrijpen, want God=JEZUS gebruikt elk middel om tot zijn doel te komen, dus gebruikt Hij ook de duivel en mensenwerk, zoals het Zionisme dat niet gestoeld is op het geloof in de God van Israël=JEZUS (al weten ze dat NOG niet) en het Vaticaan.
    Maar er is ook een vorm van Zionisme dat wel degelijk gebaseerd is op het geloof in de God van Israël.

    Satan denkt slim te zijn, maar God=JEZUS trekt ALTIJD aan het langste eind.

    Het is gewoon niet waar dat de 70 jaarweken van Daniel 9 al vervuld zijn, en het is gewoon niet waar dat de 'gezegende hoop', de opname, vóór de 'tijd van benauwdheid voor Jakob=Israël', en leer zou zijn van de Jezuïeten.

    De Jezuïeten zijn LEUGENAARS, net zoals hun held Lucifer, en ze hebben de opname-leer in hun voordeel VERANDERD opdat men niet meer gericht zou zijn op het Pausdom, als zijnde de Antichrist.

    In de tijd van Ribera en co. was de opname-leer ook nog niet zo van toepassing omdat die nog eeuwen in het verschiet lag, en de toenmalige protestanten waren daar niet op gericht.

    Daar heeft de vijand toen misbruik van gemaakt en de Jezuïeten kwamen toen met de leer van het 'futurisme', wat ze overigens eeuwen in de 'koelkast' stopten, want ook zij hadden daar direct niets aan.

    Maar onder andere ik ben het BEWIJS dat hun streven is mislukt, want ik geloof al vanaf het begin van mijn bekering (31 jaar geleden) in de opname, en ik ben zeker misleid geweest aangaande de Antichrist, want ik kwam door mijn voorbeelden Hal Lindsey and Tim Lahaye er niet op om het PAUSDOM als de Antichrist te zien, en ik was gericht op een vage figuur, zoals destijds Hitler, dus toen 'Obama' opkwam, dacht ik dat hij de Antichrist was.

    God opende zelf mijn ogen voor de waarheid toen ik eind 2011 op de site one-evil.org terecht kwam, wat niet eens een Christelijke site is, maar waarvan ik de informatie op waarde schatte.

    Toen begreep ik dat ik het grootste deel van mijn leven misleid was, en ook als volgeling van JEZUS aangaande de ware aard van de Rooms Katholieke kerk.

    Ik geloofde al heel lang dat men niets met die foute kerk te maken moest hebben, als ware volgeling van JEZUS Christus, maar ik wist nog niet ten volle dat de Roomse kerk in feite de dekmantel is van het Babylonische Romeinse Rijk, al wist ik al wel dat de RKK veel met Babylon te maken had, want al in het begin van mijn bekering had ik daar informatie over gelezen.

    Vanaf toen ging het snel en kwam ik op 'Vatican Assassins' van broeder Eric Jon Phelps en later stak ik ook veel op van documentaires zoals 'Satanic Vatican' en de publicaties van broeder Alan Lamont, en anderen.

    Ik heb echter al vanaf het begin het onderscheid leren maken tussen God's plannen met Israël en met het Lichaam van Christus en ik was onbesmet van de ROOMSE 'vervangingsleer', die leert dat 'de kerk' in plaats van Israël is gekomen, wat dus een LEUGEN is.

    Ik ben ervan overtuigd dat de uitleg dat de 70 jaarweken van Daniël 9 al vervuld zouden zijn, gebaseerd is op die Roomse vervangingsleer.

    Ik vind het sneu voor je dat je dit nog niet ziet, en dat je denkt dat je door de 'verdrukking' moet gaan, alsof het Lichaam van Christus tot Gods toorn is gesteld. wat NIET waar is.

    God is straks KWAAD op allen die het merkteken van het beest zullen hebben aanvaard, inclusief tweederde van zijn volk, maar voordien zal Hij zijn Heilige Geest-vervulde Lichaam van Christus hebben geëvacueerd naar de hemelse gewesten, want de Heilige Geest, INCLUSIEF het Lichaam van Christus is de WEERHOUDER van de Antichrist en de Valse Profeet.

    Alleen God zelf kan Satan en het Vaticaan tegenhouden, wat nog altijd gebeurt, want Satan kan pas echt 'aan de slag' NA de opname.

    Overweeg dit nog eens rustig en vraag God-de Heer JEZUS om raad en wijsheid.

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  3. +msged2007
    I wasn't sarcastic, because then I would have said 'have a lot of fun during the coming tribulation'.

    You'd better check out who you're talking to:

    pilgrim
    commented on a video on YouTube. https://plus.google.com/u/0/102863263448919248990/posts/JCPEuXPQa1J
    Shared publicly - Jul 24, 2015

    God is love. And love knows not war and slaughter, nor seeks it. How you treat one another is how you treat me, your God. When you slight one another, you slight me. When you wound one another, you wound me. When you kill one another, you kill me again. I am your God and you are my people when you listen to me and do as I command. And I command that you love one another.
    Roman Catholic Chant - Crusades

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    "Ahhhhhh, Pilgrim! Welcome! Good to see you checking out my channel! Feel free to comment. : )"

    What enthusiasm toward a Roman Catholic!

    This shows you still don't know what it's all about and that there are TWO gospel-messages in the New Testament: one for the Jews concerning the EARTHLY 1000 years long Kingdom that's coming, and one concerning the MYSTERIOUS Body of Christ, which didn't YET exist when JESUS was on earth, and even a short while after His ascension.

    Learn more: Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

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  4. +msged2007
    You don't mind talking to Catholics because they believe in the same replacement theology
    as you do, and in your comment you said nothing of praise about the one who has made your BRAIN, so this shows how complacent you are, and furthermore: Roman Catholics aren't followers of JESUS and they're on they're way to hell, because they're leader is the Antichrist: Pope Francis.

    You're the blinded one because you don't see how important Israel is to JESUS, concerning its remnant, which JESUS is going to rescue at His coming, when the Body of Christ (not the 'church'...that's a Catholic term) will come along with Him, after having been snatched away seven years earlier at the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture.

    They won't dwell on earth again though, because they're already citizens of heaven.

    The survivors of the Time of Jacob's Trouble, including the Jewish remnant, who will have become followers of JESUS during this time, will enter into the millennium, so they'll have an earthly destination, and those who will be killed during the Time of Jacob's Trouble, because of their faith in JESUS, will be resurrected from the dead, and will join the aforementioned survivors under the rule of KING JESUS from Jerusalem, Israel.

    I consider all ANTI-pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture people to be CATHOLIC, so you're a Catholic to me.

    May God-the Lord JESUS give you the strength to be able to reject the Mark of the Beast, which will be SUN-day worship, because that's the MARK of the Roman Catholic DEATH CULT, and it will be enforced through the RFID-chip in people's right hand an/or people's forehead.

    Pope Francis is the Antichrist and 'Obama' is his main PAWN.

    James 4:4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the amity of the world is the enmity of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world, maketh himself the enemy of God.

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  5. +msged2007 So you say I believe in the replacement theology?
    Wow!
    And all because I make a distinction between God's plans with His chosen people the Jews, and God's plans with the Body of Christ, consisting of born again Jews and non-Jews.
    That really sounds logical....
    You may call me amateurish, but this doesn't change the fact that JESUS is coming back to rescue ONE THIRD, the REMNANT of HIS chosen people:

    Zechariah 13:8-9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    8 And in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off, and die: but the third shall be left therein.
    9 And I will bring that third part through the fire, and will fine them as the silver is fined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my Name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people, and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

    This will happen at the end of the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and Jacob is of course Israel.

    This has nothing to do with the Body of Christ, because the Body of Christ will be gone to be with JESUS during this time.

    I'm familiar with Ephesians 2, which is a message by Paul on behalf of JESUS to the members of the Body of Christ.

    This has nothing to do with the REMNANT, mentioned before, which will be rescued by JESUS when He returns.
    May JESUS show you this distinction between Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/07/israels-kingdom-gospel-and-our-grace.html

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  6. If those who oppose the pretrib view are of Satan, then you must be including ALL of the greatest Greek NT scholars before the 19th century, ALL of whom taught just the opposite of the pretrib view. Don't believe me? Google "Famous Rapture Watchers," "Grant Jeffrey's Apocalypse Debacle," and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty." When the trib starts, you'd better have a hiding place away from all the folks you've deceived!

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    Reacties
    1. I've never said that those believers who oppose the 'pre-trib'(rapture) (pre-Time of Jacob's trouble-rapture) are of Satan, but I do say they are DEAD WRONG and so are you!
      You don't talk about JESUS and you don't seem to be wanting to be where He is.
      The pre-Time of Jacob's trouble-rapture is for real WORSHIPERS of JESUS=God who are like Enoch, and not for people who like to accuse others of being a deceiver concerning this Biblical teaching.
      The pre-Time of Jacob's trouble-rapture teaching is as old as the Body of Christ, revealed by the Apostle Paul on behalf of JESUS.

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  7. This is a DUMB anti-preJacob's Trouble-rapture video, but it's interesting to know that the word 'church' derives from the word CIRCUS! 1:58

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    1. +joggler66 +Anthony Pope
      Daniel 9's 70th week is still unfulfilled.

      Both you and Anthony don't love the Jewish people, just like the Roman Catholic CULT, and that's why you don't see that the 70th week is still in the (near) future.
      You also believe in the LIES of the Jesuits that they had invented the teaching of the rapture, which they called 'Futurism'.

      That's nonsense: they CORRUPTED the original teaching.

      Martin Luther did a great job at first, but the influence of the Roman Catholic DEMONS were too strong on him, and so this reformer remained to be VERY Catholic: Lutheranism Exposed! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/09/lutheranism-exposed.html

      Because people tend to admire and follow other people, instead of following PAUL on behalf of JESUS, they are prone to fallacies.

      End Times Part 2: Rapture
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLICVJ7vIH4

      +joggler66 Maybe this is interesting to you: The Spiritual State of Germany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13jNyhOPrA

      I am by no means a follower of Robert Breaker, but he's a man who uses his God-given brain in an intelligent way.

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    2. +joggler66
      I didn't say you hate someone, but I said you don't love the Jews.

      See the difference?
      If you're planning to go to heaven then you'll encounter me ALWAYS, because I will be there and on the new earth.
      You react from the FLESH and that's not wise.

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    3. +ChristmasIsALie.com
      This video is all about hate against the Biblical pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.

      Satan hates the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because he wants to slaughter all born again followers of JESUS who are saved through faith alone, by grace alone in Christ JESUS alone.
      Your theology is based on the Catholic replacement lie.
      Of course the Times of Jacob's Trouble hasn't yet been fulfilled.
      People who are against the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture are on the side of the Vatican and they'll receive what they believe: the wrath of the Lamb, persecution, torture and beheading.
      And why don't you show your face?
      Are you afraid to be persecuted?
      I wonder whether you really know JESUS the JEW.
      In case you want to find sound doctrine on the matter: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/search/label/Opname%20en%20profetie-Rapture%20and%20prophecy

      Something else: I KNOW that the Papacy/the Pope is the ANTICHRIST, but this knowledge won't save anyone.

      It's all about JESUS!
      His name btw means I AM SALVATION.

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      Jacob already had his "trouble" about 2600 years ago. (Jer.30:7), how many times do you think it's valid to "recycle" the same old prophecy over and over again, ...after it's already been fulfilled? (Are you doing that with Messianic prophecies too?)

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    4. +ChristmasIsALie.com
      I'm 56 and I'm Dutch, so I use basic English, which is good enough for JESUS, but too simple for an intellectual like you.


      Your twisting my words: I said that knowing that the Pope is the Antichrist, won't save someone.

      I am saved, >thank you JESUS<, and I know I'm not appointed to God's wrath.

      You believe you have to go through the Times of Jacob's Trouble, or the 'Great Tribulation'.

      Have a great time during the coming persecution and a wonderful beheading in case you'll dare to refuse the Mark of the Beast, which is all about the Catholic, Babylonian SUN-day law, and in case you won't betray your faith in JESUS we'll meet again after 1007 years, AFTER the rapture!

      I'm a HAPPY follower of JESUS and not a depressed doomsday preacher.

      The rapture is the blessed hope for all believers in JESUS.

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      +Hans S
      Of course the Times of Jacob's Trouble hasn't yet been fulfilled.

      That prophecy in Jeremiah 30:7 was "fulfilled' when Jews were destroyed and taken into captivity in Babylon, and then as promised 70 years later, returned to Israel in 583. I don't how many times you would like to see that happen, before you stick a "fulfilled flag" on it.

      this knowledge won't save anyone.It's all about JESUS!His name btw means I AM SALVATION

      We don't believe salvation is a "knowledge", we think the Bible teaches it is a "gift". Maybe you haven't received "the gift" yet?

      And BTw completely unimpressed with your challenge to a pissing contest over your great knowledge. How old are you anyway? The picture looks much more mature than the theology in your conversation?

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    5. Your twisting my words=You're twisting my words

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    6. +ChristmasIsALie.com
      Fijn, en mooi, maar de 7de dags adventisten geloven dat JEZUS de engel Michaël is.

      Fine and great, but the 7th day adventists believe that JESUS is the angel Michael.
      En da's niet waar, want JEZUS is God in menselijke hoedanigheid.
      And that's not true, 'cause JESUS is God in human capacity.

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      +Hans S Nederlands? Ik hou van de Nederlanders, en ik hou van de 7de Dag Adventisten. Ik gewoon niet schelen voor vervoering theologie, het is niet waar. De hervormers hadden openbaring correct. Ik ben van Nederlandse afkomst uit Amsterdam. Ik heb bezocht Amsterdam afgelopen zomer. Hebben een goede avond Hans.

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    7. +ChristmasIsALie.com
      The Sabbath is God's rustdag, maar een ware volgeling van JEZUS is ALTIJD in God's RUST, ook als hij/zij werkt, want het is een GEESTELIJKE RUST door de GENADE en het GELOOF in Christus JEZUS!

      I heb veel geleerd van de mensen van de 7de dags adverntisten over het Vaticaan en de Paus, maar onze wegen scheiden aangaande de Godheid van JEZUS en ook aangaande opname, want de opname is Bijbels and profetisch NOODZAKELIJK!
      ==
      The Sabbath is God's day of rest, but a true follower of Jesus is ALWAYS in God's REST, even if he/she works, because it is a SPIRITUAL REST through GRACE and FAITH in Christ Jesus!
      I've learned a lot from the people of the 7th day adventists about the Vatican and the Pope, but our ways part concerning the divinity of JESUS and also concerning the rapture, because the rapture is Biblical and prophetically REQUIRED!

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      +Hans S Dat onder andere is de reden waarom ik ben niet een 7 Day Adventist. Maar ze zijn juist over de sabbat. Het was out-lawed bij de Raad van Laodocea.

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    8. +ChristmasIsALie.com
      There is ONE Apostle who taught the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture: PAUL.


      But the Roman Catholic DEATH CULT didn't like this and they used the FREEMASON and Vatican controlled King James in order to ALTER 2 Thessalonians 2:3

      The RIGHT translation:
      2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

      The WRONG translation:
      2 Thessalonians 2:3 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come A FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

      The DEPARTING or the DEPARTURE is the RAPTURE.

      But there's much more proof for the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, but then you must divide the word of truth rightly and make a distinction between the gospel of the Kingdom for the Jews and the gospel of GRACE for the Body of Christ: MANY believers follow the WRONG GOSPEL https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/04/many-believers-follow-wrong-gospel.html

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      +Hans S
      , because the rapture is Biblical and prophetically REQUIRED!

      If that were true, why was it not taught by the original Apostles? We know from history, that doctrine came much later, after their time. Historians have traced it initially to Cerinthus. And then later to the counter-reformation in the 1600s.

      If you claim it is in the Bible, then you are stuck with the claim that the Apostles wrote something, they did not believe in, and did not teach? That wouldn't make very much sense.

      If you were wrong about the rapture (1) What would show you, that you were wrong? (2) Would you be willing to change your opinion?

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  8. Who said that the pre trib rapture was not taught before 1800s? Whoever claims that it was not taught at all by anyone in the whole earth is making a huge claim. The claimer must be God (God forbid), because this claimer knows the heart of all Christians lived before 1800. Wow! Isn't it sound stupid to make such claims?
    However, even if it wasn't preached these could be the reasons. 1) The Bible was not freely available and was under the control of Rome until 1800 2) God reveals in His time. As the end was not near at that time, and each period has its own priorities.

    All anti-pre tribbers challenge the pre tribbers to show one verse to prove the doctrine. Does it not apply to you as well? Why don't you prove it? All you have is your own interpretation and so do the pre tribbers.

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