Friday, March 25, 2016


Roman Catholic RELIGIOUS doctrine: do good deeds or BURN in HELL.
You MUST EARN your salvation or else you will be SEVERELY PUNISHED!
Signed and sealed by SATAN!

Thank God for His UNDESERVED GRACE through Christ JESUS and don't listen to the above NONSENSE!


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Signed and sealed by SATAN, you're INSANE MASTER!  SIEG (und) HEIL and HAIL to MYSELF!


Just be grateful to God-the Lord JESUS and live your life TOGETHER with Him, because you LOVE Him!
And when you SUFFER, you know He SUFFERED in OUR place and when you DIE, you know He died in OUR place, and He ROSE from the dead, and we have also received HIS resurrection GIFT through God's undeserved GRACE.

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It's IMPOSSIBLE to work to 'keep our God-given Salvation' and in fact it's an INSULT to God-the Lord JESUS who has PAID it ALL!
Just be GRATEFUL and live your life TOGETHER with JESUS, and NO LONGER without Him, because you LOVE Him!
But if you don't love Him you're NEVER going to please Him, no matter what you DO.

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Is the Lords supper for the Body of Christ today?




Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel


The Great Commission




Israel's Kingdom Gospel and Our Grace Gospel




Once Saved Always Saved; a biblical discussion





  1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Dear Joyce, why don't you show your pretty face* to the world with a nice smile on your face, instead of that aggressive snow panther.
    I'm sure you'll get more response.

    *and not only half of your face.

    Take for example my smiling face, which btw. was designed and created by JESUS or the faces of sisters +Kat Henderson or +Donna Diggzzz , or +shereesings4Jesus Christ

    Yes, grace and peace and the LOVE of JESUS.

  2. +Phoenix Fire
    That's because you believe in self-righteousness: you are your own little god.

    Everybody deserves to go to hell and nobody deserved to be saved, yet God, through JESUS, made it possible for a sinner to be saved without doing anything but believing in what JESUS did for us at the cross.

    You actually think you're a better person than JESUS!

    That's also what Satan thinks.

    You're very lost without JESUS Christ.

    Phoenix Fire
    5:28 AM

    +Hans S
    Ok, keep believing that! I am happy with my Religion! I was NOT happy as a Catholic! I was Born, Raised and Baptized a Catholic. Went to Sunday School, even my Aunt was the head of the Sunday School that ran everything in that department. Still, I had a hole in my Soul that could not be filled. When I began to look into other Beliefs and Religions, I came across Wicca. That hole that couldn't be filled, I felt as if a piece of me was whole again!

    You can keep saying that I follow an Evil Path, but I know in my Heart and my Soul that I am following a better Path now, than when I was a Catholic!

    I like where I am, and what I believe, and would rather not follow a God who instills Fear in his followers just to keep them in line!

    I feel sorry for you, that you think that no amount of Good Deeds that a person does, will be denied happiness in the afterlife (whether it be Heaven, or whatever you want to call it), Yet a Murder, Rapist, etc... will be allowed Paradise as long as he accepts Jesus as his "Savior"? Really?

    Sorry, but I just cannot stand behind a Religion who believes that way!

  3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I know born again followers of JESUS who have committed SUICIDE!

    They have MURDERED themselves.

    I have a FREE WILL and in case I don't WANT TO be SAVED, God-the Lord JESUS won't save me AGAINST my will.

    Then I have become His ENEMY AGAIN!

    Or do you think God-the Lord JESUS will REWARD SUICIDE with heaven?

    Then I would recommend committing suicide TODAY!

    Then this would be the FASTEST way to get to heaven.

    I know a 'once saved, ALWAYS saved' believer who once called me WORSE than the DEVIL.

    And he has NEVER asked forgiveness for it.

    I know 'Christians' who are FAR MORE EVIL than average unbelievers.

    They think "I am saved, so I can do and say whatever I want, and NO ONE is going to stop me".

    Such people are in for a BIG SURPRISE!

    Jeremiah 17:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    9 The heart is deceitful and wicked above all things, who can know it?

    Psalm 34:18 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    18 The Lord is near unto them that are of a contrite heart, and will save such as be afflicted in spirit.

  4. +Teacher of the Bible. Jack Koons
    My point is that people can fall away from GRACE, and of course it's ALWAYS NOT God's fault, but the responsibility of the saved sinners involved.

    JESUS didn't turn us into ROBOTS when He saved us.

    I LOVE JESUS and He's my BEST FRIEND and my LORD and my SAVIOR and my MAKER and my GOD, but in PRINCIPLE I can still turn my back on Him, in case I would be that STUPID and SATANIC.
    Hans S
    6:48 PM

    +Zac Lowing
    Samson did NOT commit SUICIDE!!
    Without the POWER of God, who is JESUS, he would have NEVER been able to do what he did, when he GAVE HIS LIFE for the sake of his people and in OBEDIENCE to God!

    Samson is an Old Testament FORESHADOW of JESUS and Joseph too.

  5. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist My God is JESUS and He is NOT a ROBOT or a COMPUTER PROGRAM!
    He is a PERSONALITY and in case He decides someone has become an UNREPENTANT TRAITOR, or a REPROBATE, He will not listen to His creation JoyceBelievesInJesusChrist, but ACT ON HIS OWN!

    Recently you suggested SUICIDE as an OPTION.

    Suppose a DEPRESSED person would have taken you serious and thought "Yes, Joyce is right, and I'm going to KILL MYSELF".

    Then this person would have been DEAD now and on his/her way to HELL/the LAKE of FIRE!


    Walking around with a GUN too.

    Especially American believers in JESUS put more trust in their GUNS than in JESUS!

  6. +Rhema Word Romans 8:26 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities
    : for we know not what to pray as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh request for us with sighs, which cannot be expressed.

    And don't read anything about 'other unknown tongues through his spirit filled Christians'.

    I read about sighs, which cannot be expressed.

    JESUS has such SIGHS in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, but also before that.

    The Holy Spirit is JESUS in spiritual capacity.

    He knows us better than we know ourselves.

  7. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Now read how 'kind' the uploader of this video is

    jamie Russell2 weeks ago
    Okay, so if you are convicted too much by the Holy Spirit and desire too much repentance, and if you desire to obey God you aren't saved? The hyper grace you should run from is because it is not true.

    jacksmack772 weeks ago
    +jamie Russell You stupid idiot. The issue is about not trusting in your repentance and obedience and trusting only in Jesus Christ and His grace for salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9. John 3:16.

    jacksmack771 week ago
    +Ezekiel3Seventeen You stupid, unsaved fool!!!! You are the one who is going to hell for not believing salvation is by grace. Ephesians 2:8-9. You, your works and your false jesus will send you to hell. 2 Corinthians 11:1-5.

    jacksmack771 week ago
    +Ezekiel3Seventeen What is your point? One either believes on Jesus or they don't. Acts 16:31. Which are you?

    jacksmack771 week ago
    +Ezekiel3Seventeen You stupid bastard. John 6:47 says nothing about obedience and if that is what you are trusting in you are going to hell. Obedience is works and we are not saved by works. Titus 3:5, Ephesians 2:8-9, 2 Timothy 1:9, Romans 4:5, Romans 3:28. You need to stop trusting in yourself and trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Ephesians 1:11-14. John 3:16, Acts 16:30-31.

    jacksmack771 week ago
    +Ezekiel3Seventeen You are the unsaved bastard. You are trusting in your obedience and all it can do is land you in hell where you belong. Your problem is not hyper-grace if you will. You have not received any grace whatsoever and are going to hell. Romans 11:6. One receives the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus. John 7:38-39. You have not the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:9, and are not God's child. Why because one becomes God's child by faith in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:26, 1 John 5:1. You have not said anything about faith except for what you've changed it to be. Furthermore you have not the Son nor do you have life. 1 John 5:12. You are not obedient and calling someone a bastard like God calls you is not a form of disobedience. You stupid, hellbound bastard! You are blocked!

    Hans S1 second ago
    +jacksmack77 Galatians 5:13-261599 Geneva Bible (GNV) 13 For brethren, ye have been called unto liberty: only use not your liberty as an occasion unto the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the Law is fulfilled in one word, which is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 15 If ye bite and devour one another, take heed lest ye be consumed one of another. 16 Then I say, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary one to another, so that ye cannot do the same things that ye would. 18 And if ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the Law. 19 Moreover the works of the flesh are manifest, which are adultery, fornication, uncleanness, wantonness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, debate, emulations, wrath, contentions, seditions, heresies, 21 Envy, murders, drunkenness, gluttony, and such like, whereof I tell you before, as I also have told you before, that they which do such things, shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperancy: against such there is no law. 24 For they that are Christ’s, have crucified the flesh with the affections and the lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vainglory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    HYPER GRACE is DEMONIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      It's about LOVE and not about a 'position'.
      This jacksmack772-HYPER GRACE-person was a JERK in the above quotes.
      We're SAVED SINNERS +Lee Poskey
      Let's NEVER forget that we deserve to BURN in hell!
      Let's NEVER forget that God in JESUS paid a VERY HIGH price in order to make His REDEMPTION and GRACE possible!

      I still believe that people with a Christian-religious background tend to be Pharisees toward 'dirty' unbelievers.

      1 Corinthians 13 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and Angels, and have not love, I am as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
      2 And though I had the gift of prophecy, and knew all secrets and all knowledge, yea, if I had all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and had not love, I were nothing.
      3 And though I feed the poor with all my goods, and though I give my body, that I be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing.
      4 Love suffereth long: it is bountiful: love envieth not: love doth not boast itself: it is not puffed up:
      5 It doth no uncomely thing: it seeketh not her own thing: it is not provoked to anger: it thinketh no evil:
      6 It rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth:
      7 It suffereth all things: it believeth all things: it hopeth all things: it endureth all things.
      8 Love doth never fall away, though that prophesyings be abolished, or the tongues cease, or knowledge vanish away.
      9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
      10 But when that which is perfect, is come, then that which is in part shall be abolished.
      11 When I was a child, I spake as a child: I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
      12 For now we see through a glass darkly: but then shall we see face to face. Now I know in part: but then shall I know even as I am known.
      13 And now abideth faith, hope and love, even these three: but the chiefest of these is LOVE.

      God is LOVE and JESUS is GOD!
      Lee Poskey
      6:12 AM

      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Don't allow the enemy to buffet you my saint sister ��
      Hans S
      6:50 AM

      +Lee Poskey The word 'Saint' means "to be set apart for God."

      Are these the words of a Saint toward a fellow believer?: "You stupid, hellbound bastard! You are blocked!"

      Radical Hyper-grace-adherent jacksmack771 said these things.

      Is this the fruit of 'Radical Hyper-grace'?

      Why don't we all carry a gun and blow each others brains out, because it doesn't matter, since we're radically hyper-grace saved, and to hell with what JESUS and Paul taught us about LOVE?

      I'm an ex-atheist from the Netherlands and I'm still AMAZED about 'Christians' and 'Christianity'.


      Is JESUS your BEST FRIEND too?

  8. +J Wing I will never lose the UNDESERVED GIFT of GRACE through faith in the atoning BLOOD of JESUS, even if I blow myself up.
    Thanks for the video!

    And it's NOT about salvation, but I hope you'll see the globe earth deception too, which is prophetic because the Vatican is behind it and it's planning a fake rapture and a fake alien invasion of earth AFTER the REAL rapture in order to deceive and that's why they need everybody to believe we're living on a globe, because this lie wont work in case everybody knows the earth is round and flat, with a firmament.

    Give this video a chance, because in the beginning you'll see the late former president Reagan about the 'alien threat'.

    And then you'll see former president George H.W. 'Bush' who's real surname is SCHERFF because he (still lives) is a GERMAN NAZI!
    After him you'll see former presidents Bill Clinton and 'Barrack Obama' on this subject, and Hillary Clinton and former president George W. Bush.
    The pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture teaching is also NOT about salvation, but I believe it's important and Biblical, and taught by the same man who taught us the gospel of grace, the Apostle Paul, on behalf of the Lord JESUS.

    Share this with Joyce, if you want.
    I know she doesn't believe in dispensations anymore, even though it's in the Bible:
    I hope she'll change her mind.

  9. +J Wing Again: the flat earth truth isn't about eternal salvation, but only what JESUS has done for us by having shed His atoning blood for our sins.
    Realize that it's IMPOSSIBLE to try to convince a true flat earther (like me) who has been deceived all of his life, until October 1, last year, by the globe earth lie.

    Columbus was an agent of the Vatican=the Roman Empire: The Papal Colonization of America

    Galileo was a liar and Copernicus too:

    The JESUITS are behind everything:

    The Jesuits & The Globe Earth: The Mother Of All Conspiracies!

    The flat earth is totally BIBLICAL:

    1. +J Wing I'm pretty sure you haven't watched this video:
      i just answered an ATHEIST concerning the same subject:

      +MrSitemaster2 Please explain Earth's shadow on the moon


      Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in

      A beautiful description of the ROUND and FLAT earth with a DOME/FIRMAMENT.


      The thinking that the Bible says the earth is a sphere is a complete fabrication and lie.

    2. +J Wing I purposely quoted Isaiah 40:22 because the earth is ROUND and FLAT with a firmament.

      Let 'the church' go to hell!

      The word 'church' derives from the word circle or circus:

      Unfortunately also the excellent Geneva Bible uses this word, but that's due to centuries of influence by the counterfeit of the BODY OF CHRIST, the Roman Catholic MURDER CULT-church.

      Atheists are liars by default.
      They're proof of the existence of Satan.

      So whatever they say is just as much worth as what demons say.

      Only God-the Lord JESUS can change their minds and I'm proof of that, being a former atheist=God-denier myself.

      Now the same goes for the flat earth truth.
      Nobody could convince me that the earth is flat and round with a firmament, than God.

      I know there are unsaved people who also believe in the flat earth truth, but I know testimonies of ex-atheists or unbelievers who became saved and born again people after they had discovered the flat earth truth.

      So from your standpoint it's impossible that God-the Lord JESUS uses a 'satanic flat earth lie' in order to draw people toward salvation in Christ JESUS?

      You cannot deny such testimonies

      Jon, it's absolutely impossible to convince you if you've already made up your mind, and I know a fellow believer in JESUS who's saved by grace through faith in the blood of JESUS, who believes in the geocentric model, which I also already believed in, before I became a flat earther. but he rejects the flat earth truth and he has even become an anti-flat earth truth-activist.

      in my opinion he's telling JESUS He's a liar!

      JESUS is God and He created a flat and round earth with a firmament with water all around this system.

      Ancient cultures already knew this and those people weren't stupid:

      Lunar Eclipses and the Shadow of the Earth

    3. +J Wing Oh please, do some research before you comment.

      * Tyndale's Bible (1526) - used "congregation":
      And I saye also vnto the that thou arte Peter: and apon this rocke I wyll bylde my congregacion. And the gates of hell shall not prevayle ageynst it. (Tyndale, c1526)

      * Coverdale Bible (1535) - used "congregation"

      * Matthew Bible (1537) - used "congregation"

      * The Great Bible (1539) - used "congregation"

      * Geneva Bible (1560) - used "church"

      Again: the flat and round earth truth isn't about salvation, and there are many more things in the Bible that are unspecified.

      God=JESUS said that He created the difference between light and dark, day and night, THREE DAYS before He created the sun and the moon and the stars.

      Genesis 1:1-5 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

      2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

      3 Then God said, Let there be light: And there was light.

      4 And God saw the light that it was good, and God separated the light from the darkness.

      5 And God called the Light, Day, and the darkness he called Night.So the evening and the morning were the first day.

      So this means that daylight derives from the light that was created in Genesis 1:3 and that this light is NOT from the sun!

      Many flat earth models use the sun as source of daylight and this is not correct.

      But how can this light be explained from a globe earth viewpoint, considering that in this globe earth model the earth is spinning.

      Where can we find the source of this light in the 'universe'?

      It can't be found, because the 'universe' and 'space' don't exist!

      But it can be explained from a flat and round earth perspective:

    4. +J Wing I totally disagree with you on this subject and the Geneva Bible is much better: Job 26:7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      7 He stretcheth out the North over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

      PLACE is NOT 'space' and outside the flat earth system there's water.

      The flat earth system is (according to me) like a SUBMARINE.

      I bet you haven't watched this video: - LET THERE BE LIGHT!- on Flat Earth

      Your globe earth is concocted by SATAN and promoted by the EVIL JESUITS!

      This was last year the 2nd video that convinced me: Flat Earth: Exposing the Jesuit Agenda!
      LET THERE BE LIGHT!- on Flat Earth
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    5. +J Wing The funny thing about globe earth addicts is that they refuse to believe what their eyes are showing them because their brains are programmed from childhood with a GLOBE in MIND.

      The earth is ROUND and FLAT.

      Are you afraid to lose your job and your money if you believe in the flat earth truth?

      Or are you afraid your children will get into trouble if they start to believe in the flat earth truth and start to talk about it?

      I know the story of a female Dutch co-pilot of large passenger planes who lost her job as a pilot because of this.
      She became a flat earther at the beginning of this year.
      She only talked about it with her (male) colleagues and then she had to go to a psychiatrist and now she has an office job, being a veteran and well trained pilot and having 22 years of experience.

      Satan's power is MONEY!

      Or people are afraid to lose their REPUTATION in the eyes of fellow SINNERS.

      Well, let me tell you Jon, in case you proclaim the truth about JESUS and the gospel of GRACE in public you're already a MORON in the eyes of the majority who are under the influence of the devil.

      So what have you got to lose?

    6. +J Wing Incredible!
      Have you READ what the meme says?

      "Over that distance, the Earth should curve over 35,000 feet"!
      Not from left to right but from the viewpoint of the photographer toward the horizon.

      Prove from the Bible that the earth is CURVED and SPHERICAL.

      The Globe Earth LIE is a SATANIC ATTACK on God's FLAT EARTH REALITY!

    7. +J Wing You have NOT proven from the Bible that the earth is curved!

      Job 26:10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      10 He hath set bounds about the waters, until the day and night come to an end.

      You quoted from the MASONIC King James Version!

      Job 26:10 King James Version (KJV)

      10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.

      The symbol of the Freemasons is a COMPASS.

      Most 'official scientists' are WELL PAID liars.

      Is the Earth's shadow upon the moon during a lunar eclipse not proof that the Earth is a globe?

      The Earth’s Shadow on the Moon

      PROOF The Moon Gives It's Own Light - Flat Earth

    8. +J Wing It's clear you're on the side of Satan concerning this subject.
      You're deliberately LYING about everything concerning this subject.
      Just try to convince the MANY FELLOW BELIEVERS in God-JESUS-the Bible-creation who believe in the flat earth TRUTH and you'll experience that they'll expose as a LIAR.

      What's WORSE is that you're calling God a LIAR, because when He created the sun and the moon He gave them their OWN LIGHT!

      There's NO difference between you and an atheist, concerning this subject, and atheists are SATANISTS.

      So this makes you a CHRISTIAN-SATANIST!

      But JESUS will deal with you before you'll be standing before the judgment seat of Christ, and then you'll have to go through the FIRE so you're brain will be cleansed from all the satanic lies in your head, concerning this subject.

      I know a fellow believer in JESUS CHRIST who became convinced of the flat earth TRUTH solely by having read the BIBLE!

      So you're also saying that the BIBLE is SATANIC concerning this subject.

      I live in the Netherlands and you live in the most EVIL, DISGUSTING nation that has ever existed, the VATICAN controlled United States of America, which is responsible for the MURDER of tens of MILLIONS of people, because it financed BOTH Hitler and Stalin and other MASS MURDERERS on behalf of Satan and the Vatican.
      Your country is the 2nd BEAST of Revelation 13, and The Vatican (which is the smallest NATION on earth) is the first.
      This disgusting nation has flooded the world with LIES and DECEPTIONS.
      It LIED to me when I was a child of nine years old in 1969 about the so called first manned moon landing.

      NASA was founded by GERMAN NAZIS, but you have no problems with that.
      NASA is part of the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX of the SATANIC Vatican controlled USA.

      All flat earthers are former globe earth-lie adherents, as you still are, and they discovered the MANY LIES of, not only the US, but of ALL international so called 'space agencies', and also from my country, the Netherlands, which is an ally of the satanic USA and the satanic EU, the revived Roman Empire.
      This is because these nations are also controlled by the satanic Vatican, the WHORE of BABYLON.

      They discovered the MANY lies concerning other issues like '9/11'.
      They know that the Main Stream Media is totally controlled by the satanic Vatican through stinking rich people who are under the Vatican's control.
      They know that ALL 'social media' is also under the control of the devil and the Vatican.

      The fact that I'm still able to proclaim the TRUTH on the internet is thanks to JESUS who is the RESTRAINER through HIS Holy Spirit, because JESUS is GOD and the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT in ONE according to
      Isaiah 9:6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.

    9. In the beginning of this thread I said

      "And it's NOT about salvation, but I hope you'll see the globe earth deception too, which is prophetic because the Vatican is behind it and it's planning a fake rapture and a fake alien invasion of earth AFTER the REAL rapture in order to deceive and that's why they need everybody to believe we're living on a globe, because this lie wont work in case everybody knows the earth is round and flat, with a firmament.

      You dare to say "Don't be lazy. Why go along with the enemy's attempt to confuse and lie when the facts are so clear that even a child can experiment and confirm the earth is indeed spherical."

      It's the other way around, LIAR!

      Teach a (small) child the FLAT EARTH TRUTH and it will believe it, because it's BIBLICAL.

      YOU are lazy and unwilling to investigate because you're BRAINWASHED from childhood with the GLOBE EARTH LIE.

      THOUSANDS of YEARS people have known the earth is FLAT and ROUND with a firmament, and you DELIBERATELY DENY it.

      That's because you're infected with the satanic SUN-WORSHIP deception.

      The EVIL heliocentric model places the SUN in the center of a so called 'solar system', which in turn is part of a so called galaxy, called 'the Milky Way', which is part of a so called system of other so called galaxies.

      This LIE goes against the Biblical TRUTH that God=JESUS created the earth FIRST and on the fourth day He created the celestial bodies like the sun and the moon and the planets.

      These are verses that PROVE the moon and the PLANETS give THEIR OWN LIGHT:

      Isaiah 13:10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      10 For the stars of heaven and the planets thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

      Mark 13:24 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      24 Moreover in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall wax dark, and the moon shall not give her light

      Matthew 24:29 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

      29 And immediately after the tribulations of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

      This will happen AFTER the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture, because this information is for the JEWS.

      REPENT=change your mind concerning this subject, Jonathan, because you believe in BIG FAT LIES and you've infected your children with it.

      Concerning this subject you're a FALSE TEACHER.


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