donderdag 16 juni 2016

Message to 'once saved, always saved' ramblers

James 1 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


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James 2 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


James 2 World English Bible (WEB)


James 3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


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James 4 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


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James 5 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)


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9 opmerkingen:

  1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    When JESUS saved me He knew that suicide was NORMAL to me.
    I've been an atheist and a believer in evolution, so I did not believe in the existence of God, the devil, fairies and other deities and the supernatural.

    But when God came into my life I already had occult experiences, so I already believed there was more between heaven and earth, but I still didn't believe in the existence of God or the devil.
    I couldn't deny the historical JESUS.
    But I didn't believe that JESUS and God had anything to do with each other.
    And I didn't want to have anything to do with 'Christians', because to me they were all insane and neurotic.
    I was a humanist and suicide was a sound option, because I didn't believe in an afterlife.
    When JESUS saved me He first let me experience how LOST I was without Him and that I deserved to end up in hell.
    I didn't choose to FEEL that way: it was God's choice to do that to me.
    And then, all of a sudden, He TALKED TO ME.

    Here's the story:

  2. +J Wing
    Before I surrendered to JESUS I didn't want to have anything to do with people like, and I still don't like people like you.
    My best friend, apart from JESUS, is a sister who's 20 years older than me, and who's an ex-atheist too.

    We NEVER have problems.
    But as soon I meet church-people, the problems start.

    We come from different worlds and we don't understand each other.

    I accept it and do you?

    Do you love JESUS?


    J Wing
    Jun 14, 2016

    Jesus in Revelation says all OVERCOMERS will NOT be touched by the 2nd death which is Hell.
    Revelation 2:11
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death.

    How to be an OVERCOMER
    1 John 5:5
    Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

    No one who BELIEVES in Jesus, will end up in Hell PERIOD. The Bible shows it in 2 clear verses and many others.
    Hans S
    Yesterday 1:31 AM

    +J Wing Believing in JESUS is NOT ENOUGH!
    The Pope also believes in JESUS and he's the ANTICHRIST.
    The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?
    J Wing
    Yesterday 4:59 PM

    1. +Hans S Oh wow Jesus is not enough? That is what the Catholics say too and yet you say the Catholics are wrong.
      News flash the Pope doesn't believe in Jesus. He believes in MARY to save Him. That is why he's the AntiChrist.

      Paul, Peter, and James ALL said FAITH IN JESUS is all you need. In fact that was all Abraham needed to be saved. Yet you think its not enough. No wonder you are all screwed up in your theology.

      What did Jesus say to us.
      ​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
      16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be SAVED; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

      John 6:40 [ Jesus speaking]
      For this is the will of my Father, that EVERY ONE who sees the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

      So why are you not doing what Jesus said?
      Hans S
      2:00 AM

      +J Wing
      You love to TWIST my words, just like SATAN!

      I said that "The question is 'do we LOVE Him?' and if we say that we LOVE Him, are we prepared to DO what He says?"

      Now, does a person who asserts to believe in JESUS and who MURDERS him/herself, LOVE Him?

      If you say that it doesn't matter, because 'once saved, always saved', then your opinion is just as DISGUSTING as Satan's SUGGESTION to Eve that it was okay to eat from the forbidden fruit and that she would NOT die!

      I call this CHRISTIAN SATANISM!

      I am not a CHURCH PERSON or a 'CHRISTIAN'

      J Wing
      4:14 PM

      +Hans S Whatever dude. You call clear Bible quotations a lie and assert that Jesus death wasn't enough to pay for all our sins. You just don't like OSAS because you want to take some credit in earning even part of your salvation. The sad thing is if you take credit for even a little of your salvation you are ROBBING Jesus of the credit He is due for saving us.

      Yes Jesus says we are SAFE & SECURE in his salvation. In fact we are in HIS REST. THERE IS NOTHING MORE WE CAN TO DO FOR OUR SALVATION. Jesus did it ALL.

      This is why Jesus said on the cross "IT IS FINISHED." You are the one perverting God's word. You are right you aren't a Christian at all. You are closer to Catholicism than you realize, as you try to merit your way to Heaven. Do you even read your Bible? Maybe you are Armenian who believe you can lose your salvation.

      May God forgive you for being so offended at the QUOTING of Jesus' Words.
      Hans S
      4:45 PM

      +J Wing
      You just don't want to acknowledge that you have a very bad message to people with suicidal tendencies, and who CLAIM to have surrendered to JESUS.
      Following JESUS and committing suicide just don't go together.
      That's the same as saying as your last statement 'SATAN SAVES', while pretending to be a follower of JESUS.

      I'm so VERY GLAD I'm NOT a 'CHRISTIAN' or a religious PIECE OF MEAT.

      I'm and EX-ATHEIST and I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with 'Christianity, 'churches' and CHURCH-people!

      I LOVE my HERO, JESUS Christ, and no DEVIL and no 'J Wing' person can separate me from His love and MERCY.

      You hide behind your knowledge, but you don't know who JESUS really is.

    2. JESUS will NOT reward SELF-MURDER with salvation, just because SINNERS say that He should, according to their "RIGID LAW of GRACE".

      People have a FREE WILL and I still have the choice to say 'JESUS, I don't want to be saved...leave me alone!'.

      Then JESUS will not save me AGAINST my will.

      You assert that JESUS MUST save people, even when they show Him that they have absolutely no faith in Him.
      J Wing
      4:58 PM

      +Hans S Oh that explains a lot thank you. You aren't even Christian thats why. Thank you for telling me that. And here I thought you were. My bad. No wonder you only count on your human opinions. Sorry Christians rely only on God's opinion that is clearly in the Bible.

      Yes people have a choice aka FREE WILL. You can BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE.
      Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commision]
      16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be SAVED; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

      So yes you can walk away from the FREE GIFT of salvation. The gift is always there just waiting for you to accept it. But if you don't want it God won't force you to take it. (aka lead a horse to water but can't make him drink)

      However God promises that IF you accept the gift of salvation He will keep you securely saved from then on. That part is His choice to keep you saved and pretty much if you are saved you would actually want to STAY SAVED.

      Suicide after accepting the FREE GIFT of salvation still remains saved, because they've trusted Jesus all along. They just are feeling hopeless and want to meet God sooner. See you are confusing suicide of an unsaved person with the suicide of a saved person. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.
      Hans S
      5:54 PM

      +J Wing
      I am a JESUS Christian and not a 'Christian'


      Revelation 21:8 World English Bible (WEB)
      8 But for the COWARDLY, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
      J Wing
      9:15 PM

      +Hans S Nah I say stick with the GNV or KJV they both say FEARFUL
      Revelation 21:8 (KJV)
      8 But the FEARFUL, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      But think about it why FEARFUL? What are they fearing? Are they not fearing God's judgment? Why would they fear God's judgment? Because they have NO SAVIOR and their SINS AREN'T PAID FOR.

      See also UNBELIEVING in that list and SINNERS? They didn't BELIEVE in Jesus to have ALL THEIR SINS PAID FOR. That is why they are FEARFUL and UNBELIEVING.

      Jesus doesn't hate cowards. Its SIN Jesus who is God hates. You pulled the wrong conclusion from the verse because the word is WRONG in the WEB.

      What is the solution to this fear and unbelieving?
      Acts 16:31
      31 And they said, BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

      Won't you believe today and stop being fearful and unbelieving yourself?

  3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Of course I'm saved by the Grace of JESUS Christ.

    Rejecting JESUS is worse than suicide.

    Do you love JESUS?
    Hans S
    10:34 PM

    +J Wing
    Hear him, I could ask you the same question: are you saved and do you love JESUS?
    And in what way have you changed for the BETTER?


    J Wing
    9:26 PM

    +Hans S So you still don't BELIEVE on Jesus to be SAFE from God's wrath on ALL SINS, which is the 2nd death (Lake of Fire). This is what the problem is. You aren't Christian yet and still fear the Lake of Fire, because you aren't saved.

    You just have the head knowledge of the historical Jesus which allows you to know that there is a God. Good the demons know there is a God too, but they aren't saved. Why? because they don't TRUST & BELIEVE in that Jesus to be saved from the penalty of their sins.

    See you are mistaking feeling saved with actually BEING SAVED which is NOT A FEELING but a CONSCIOUS CHOICE!! Feeling you are saved doesn't make you saved.

    Only CHOOSING of your own free will to BELIEVE upon Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection to save you from ALL YOUR SINS. saves you. Choose what you will do this day plz:
    ​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
    16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be SAVED; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

    Do you, +Hans S, want to be saved and go to Heaven when you die or not? Its a simple question.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    10:03 PM

    +Hans S So it was by the grace of God that you are saved? And all glory to Him for His mercy and grace. If you had taken your life while you were lost you would have definitely went to hell, being lost in your sins.

  4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I do NOT agree with you!

    Especially church-people tend to justify suicide among fellow believers, and I've noticed the same situation in my country.
    I leave judgement to God-the Lord JESUS, but you won't hear me saying that because of the 'law of Grace', JESUS will even forgive suicide among people who SEEMED to believe in Him.

    I also believe that it's dangerous to assert that God-the Lord JESUS will forgive even suicide, perpetrated by believers, because it could encourage some people to take the risk.

    Suicide is a DEMONIC attack and a spiritual force and giving in to this DEMON is NOT trusting in JESUS.

    According to you and +J Wing a person who says this will be forgiven

    "Praise the Lord JESUS, hallelujah! it's such a beautiful day and I'm so HAPPY that I will blow my brains out with my gun, and then I'm with you. dear JESUS!".



    A person who says such things and who really pulls the trigger, is clearly INSANE, but according to you he or she will make it into heaven.

    The other day I chatted with a brother about this subject and he told me that there are even suicide parties!

    Not by believers in JESUS, I know, but can you imagine such MADNESS?

    It's a CRAZY world, full with CRAZY people and I'm not surprised by anything.

    I know several believers in JESUS who have committed suicide.

    Where was their FAITH and why didn't JESUS stop them?


    And God-the Lord JESUS will judge each and everyone of us according to what we have DONE during our stay in our mortal bodies in this dimension.

    My message to suicidal believers: ATTACK the THOUGHT of suicide in JESUS name, because it's the DEVIL talking to you!
    Seek refuge in JESUS! He understands EVERYTHING.
    You can't seek Him anymore when you're DEAD: then it's a DONE DEAL.
    Hans S
    11:32 PM

    +J Wing "See not even death or death by suicide can separate us from the love of Jesus"

    You ADDED 'death by suicide'.

    That's NOT what it says.

    Salvation always comes from God-the Lord JESUS and He saves people who are according to His liking and who own something in their heart what He wants to preserve.

    The DAMNED, however, lack something in their hearts what He wants to have and hold.

    I am saved, because God-the Lord JESUS wanted to SAVE me!

    I did not ask for it at first.

    So, no matter what you say: I A M S A V E D!
    Thank you JESUS!

    Do you LOVE JESUS?


    J Wing
    10:46 PM

    +Hans S Yes I am saved because according to the Bible Those who CHOOSE to BELIEVE IN JESUS are saved. Yes hear what Jesus says in the Scriptures, which are 1st hand historical accounts of those who walked with Jesus.
    ​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
    16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be SAVED; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

    Won't you make that choice today, and ensured that NOTHING can separate you from the love of God?
    Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
    38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
    39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    See not even death or death by suicide can separate us from the love of Jesus. But first you must ACCEPT that free gift of God, in order for the gift to do you any good. Won't you TRUST in Jesus payment for ALL your sins today? I already have.

  5. Christians and atheists, Do TRUE Believers have to keep asking for forgiveness for their sin?

    I agree: once saved, always saved, yes, but we are called to maintain our RELATIONSHIP with God-the Lord JESUS!
    God-the Lord JESUS is with us! <3JESUS<3

    John 20:27-28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    27 After said he to Thomas, Put thy finger here, and see mine hands, and put forth thine hand, and put it into my side, and be not faithless, but faithful.

    28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him*, Thou art MY LORD, and MY GOD.


    1 John 1:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

    9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    Gospel of GRACE


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