zondag 19 juni 2016

Once Saved Always Saved; a biblical discussion

I think there are many divisions among the members of the Body of Christ that should not be dealt with, but should be put aside for the common good. For a long time I felt that the doctrine of 'once saved always saved' was just such a division and should be ignored. However, the more I encounter this doctrine the more it concerns me. I have often said in the past that if a disagreement in doctrine does not affect salvation then it is a minor issue and is best left alone. I still believe the spirit of that statement, but I have come to realize that 'once saved always saved' does concern salvation and therefore should be addressed.

My original thought was that the OSAS (once saved always saved) teachers agreed what salvation is and therefore I had no real disagreement with them. But then I began to understand more and more of what was really being taught and realized that this doctrine has eternal consequences, or in other words does impact a persons salvation.
I want to quote a few comments which show why I am concerned about this doctrine, and for that matter show what the doctrine really is. I am not going to attribute any of these quotes to any person here, but they were all made by well known Christian leaders.

And so, sometimes out of ignorance or whatever it might be, they attempt to gratify and meet those needs the same way they did before they were saved, and therefore, you can't tell a carnal believer from a lost man.

As far as overt behavior is concerned, a carnal believer cannot be distinguished from an unbeliever.

... believers who lose or abandon their faith will retain their salvation...

Where is this place represented by the "outer darkness" in Jesus' parables? To be in the "outer darkness" is to be in the kingdom of God but outside the circle of men and women whose faithfulness on this earth earned them a special rank or position of authority.

The above quotes show what I mean. This teaching concerns salvation, because if it is wrong then people who think they are saved may well be on their way to eternal punishment.





Message to 'once saved, always saved' ramblers

 

 

 

Satan's Great Scheme

 

 

 

SATAN on SUICIDE

 

 

 

FALSE DOCTRINE OF ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED 

 

 

82 opmerkingen:

  1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist I'm trying to get my brothers and sisters in JESUS into awareness of the fact that we're CITIZENS of HEAVEN of the KINGDOM of JESUS.

    I didn't call you a liar: NOT TRUE!

    You don't get it: of course you weren't joking when your car was stolen and I also believe you weren't joking when you once said 'why don't we all commit suicide'.
    Like a real American, you also tend to rely more on your GUN(s) than on JESUS.

    JESUS was NEVER armed and He teaches us to love our enemies.

    And now you say I'm insulting you: proud spirit?

    Are you crucified with JESUS and resurrected with Him from death?

    In case you choose to disagree with me concerning the gospel of 'I AM SALVATION' (that's the MEANING of the name of JESUS), then I pray for you that you won't be that stupid.

    It's not about me, or even about PAUL but about JESUS!

    GOOD MORNING!!!

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    7:51 AM




    ???here in America'

    You're still attached to 'your' country and proud of this Vatican creation. ????

    What should I say? I live here in America and I am an American and your are Dutch from Neitherlands

    How do you just come up with this stuff? So now I am attached to my country?

    wow Hans and call me a LIAR TOO?
    Was I joking about my car getting stolen? NOOOOOOOOOO!

    You insult me too much and I am out of patience I don't need to be upset in my condition and with my son ill who needs me now.

    Yes we disagree on the MOST IMPORTANT THING concerning Jesus Christ, THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION, and HIS PROMISES AND TRUTH.

    GOOD NIGHT!!!

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  2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist I BLESS you in JESUS' name with THIS:
    I'VE HAD MY TROUBLES http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/ive-had-my-troubles.html

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  3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Thanks Joyce! Beautiful and PRAISE JESUS!
    Hans S
    5:35 PM




    +J Wing
    I AM happy that ALL my sins are forgiven, but JESUS has given me a FREE WILL and RESPONSIBILITY, just as had given this to Morning Star, BEFORE he became God's ADVERSARY, so I can CHOOSE to SERVE my Savior or to become His adversary AGAIN, and He has the RIGHT to cast me into His TRASH CAN should I be so STUPID to become DISOBEDIENT again, WITHOUT REMORSE and the will to REPENT.
    JESUS doesn't want IDIOTS in His world who SPIT in HIS FACE, after He had given them His GRACE and MERCY.
    They spit in His face by being hateful and unkind to His saved Saints and by doing WRONG without regret.
    Once saved, always saved is a LIE in case we treat JESUS as some kind of IDIOT.

    HE IS GOD and a CONSUMING FIRE!

    Be glad you won't BURN in hell, because that's what we ALL DESERVE!

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    Hans S
    Yesterday 9:04 AM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist I BLESS you in JESUS' name with THIS:
    I'VE HAD MY TROUBLES http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/ive-had-my-troubles.html
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    3:57 AM




    +Hans S
    "Amazing Love/Jesus Paid It All" Cover - Hannah Emerson
    https://youtu.be/JZOtlToibN0
    J Wing
    4:35 PM




    +Hans S If you are truly with Jesus, you should be happy that Jesus said ALL SINS are forgiven. Notice this is forgiveness with or wthout confession. Where does it say you have to confess your sins to stay saved?? You are adding to the requirements of salvation.

    The primary problem you are having which taints your gospel without you know it, is all your additional requirements that the Bible NEVER REQUIRED.

    Confession of sins is NOT REQUIRED to stay saved. This is your own invention. No verse says you lose your salvation if you fail to confess all your sins.

    No Cowardice is NOT REQUIRED to stay saved. This too is your own invention. You can not find any verse that says you lose salvation if you are a coward.

    Look at the disciples they were all cowards when Jesus was arrested and stayed cowards til Jesus showed resurrected in front of them. The actual word used is FEARFUL and it is listed right before UNBELIEVING. So in truth both are related as you would be FEARFUL of judgment if you were UNBELIEVING.

    You are teaching losing salvation which is NOWHERE in the Bible. Jesus said if you BELIEVE you are saved. Salvation was told to Nicodemus as a 2nd birth. You can not undo a birth. So all the excuses in the world will not undo OSAS. Its a fact spoken of all over scripture and from Jesus mouth himself.

    We are saved because Jesus covered ALL SINS (past, present, and future). Jesus is ENOUGH for ALL SINS!!

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  4. +J Wing
    And you pick and choose what you like, so that you won't have to deal with this TRUTH:

    Once Saved Always Saved; a biblical discussion
    http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/once-saved-always-saved-biblical.html

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    J Wing
    Yesterday 5:52 PM




    +Hans S Nope you can not become God's adversary again. Its impossible. Look at this verse. 1 of many.
    Romans 5:9-11 (KJV)
    9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
    10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    No more wrath of God, IF WE BELIEVE, left for us EVER.
    1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
    For God hath NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    John 3:36 (KJV)
    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that BELIEVETH NOT the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

    Notice believers don't have the Wrath of God on them ever. Even if we act like an enemy we are SAFE from the wrath of God forever.

    We can not be God's adversary anymore because look who is OUR ADVERSARY of BELIEVERS.
    1 Peter 5:8 (KJV)
    Be sober, be vigilant; because YOUR ADVERSARY THE DEVIL, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

    If the devil is the adversary of BELIEVERS in Jesus, who is also the adversary of God, can we EVER be the adversary of God?? NO!!!

    We are safe forever and the Bible proves it. You are following stuff of your OWN INVENTION.

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  5. +J Wing
    You're not my brother in JESUS when you talk like this.
    Now go and TRY to ANNOY JESUS with your haughty attitude.

    I wanted to end this debate, but you keep going on.
    We don't agree, but be HAPPY with what you believe, okay?
    And tell suicidal believers that they're still saved after they have perpetrated their deed, and then you'll have to answer this to God-the Lord JESUS in due time.
    That's YOUR responsibility and not mine.

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    J Wing
    3:59 PM




    +Hans S At least I have what is in the Bible, instead of making up stuff that isn't in the Bible. You 2 reasons for saying Jesus sacrifice isn't enough to save us is based solely on your FLAWED OPINIONS. You add requirements to salvation that the Bible does not put there.

    Confession is not required for salvation. YOUR OWN INVENTION.

    Rebecome adversaries to God. ALSO YOUR OWN INVENTION.

    Satan stays our adversary no matter what, because we are now ADOPTED into God's family. The Holy Spirit which seals us stays with us FOREVER. Nothing changes the permanency of our salvation. NO ONE can get themselves UNBORN.

    Your link is your opinions. So you are saying your opinion is more important that what is in the Bible? No thanks. Your opinion is 100% wrong in this case and shows you trying desperately to work for your salvation.

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  6. +J Wing
    Because you defend SUICIDE, you are my ENEMY!


    Committing suicide is the OPPOSITE of believing in JESUS, and people who tend to condone it may wish to end their own lives this way, or they have loved ones who ended their lives this way.

    Well, in eternity they will NOT be RELATIVES or earthly friends, but they will be like the ANGELS, and they will be JUDGED accordingly!

    I asked you to END this debate, because we DON'T AGREE concerning SUICIDE, but you keep going on.

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Suicide is an AGGRESSIVE deed AGAINST God-the Lord JESUS and a SLAP in His face!

    It is MURDER without the possibility to confess this to God-the Lord JESUS as a grave sin, because the perpetrator of the CRIME called SUICIDE is DEAD!

    Suppose I would come to where you live and I would kill you with a hand grenade which would kill us BOTH.

    I would be GUILTY of TWO MURDERS and do you really believe that JESUS would ever FORGIVE me or that He had already forgiven me in ADVANCE, because I say that I am saved?

    I say NO! Because JESUS is NOT an IDIOT!

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    J Wing
    6:00 PM




    +Hans S You can't stand correction from the word of God. Isn't that sad. TRUE Christian will correct themselves when faced with verses showing them they are wrong, esp when you only have one portion that is off.

    Stop adding requirements to salvation that are CLEARLY NOT IN THE BIBLE. If you were a true Christian you would not have ATTACKED us Bible believers in the 1st place when the Bible and Jesus are so clear on eternal security.

    It all boils down to: IS Jesus sacrifice on calvary sufficient for ALL SINS (past, present, and future)

    In your unBiblical opinion Jesus sacrifice was only partially sufficient.

    In the Bible's and Jesus words Jesus sacrifice is COMPLETELY sufficient for ALL SINS.

    Its the difference between light and day. Why would you be doing the Devil's work of fighting the word of God and those who follow the word of God?
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    7:17 PM




    +Hans S It's about and because of God's grace. YOU CAN'T ADD ANYTHING TO THE GRACE OF GOD.

    "But for the grace of God there go I"

    DEFINITION #4 ROMANS 3:24
    "GRACE"
    GRACE: Is The Unmerited Favor of God.
    "Grace" is so much of a characteristic of God (like His love), that human words do not
    adequately express its meaning.
    Romans 3:24 begins:
    "BEING JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE"
    Some have defined "Grace" as "Undeserved Mercy", and this is true. However, all mercy
    is undeserved; that's the meaning of mercy. GRACE is more than mercy. Mercy gets a
    criminal off the hook and out of jail, but GRACE pays the debt of the criminal and sets
    him free to enjoy the good life.
    When we say that GRACE is "Unmerited Favor", we are saying that this favor cannot be
    earned. It's not just that you don't have to earn it. The fact is, you cannot earn it. Since we
    are all sinners, there is nothing that we can do to gain God's favor. Even if you did good
    works continuously from here on out, and sacrificed all your time to help others, and did
    great and wonderful things 24 hours a day for the rest of your life to please God, God still
    would not accept you or your efforts because He is Holy and you are still a sinner. You
    cannot work off your sins.

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  7. God's salvation is not merited, it is a GIFT of God! – See Ephesians 2:8, 9. The word for
    "GRACE" (in the Greek) is "Charis." The word for "GIFT" (in the Greek) is
    "Charisma." It is easily seen that the very root meaning of the word GRACE is GIFT.
    Romans 11:6 is a verse that clearly contrasts "WORKS" with "GRACE." It does that
    because they are exact opposites. A gift is something given freely, but work is something
    that you do to earn a wage. Romans 6:23 tells us what wages we have coming to us:
    "FOR THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH, BUT THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL
    LIFE, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD."
    We really don’t want what our sins have earned for us. Rather we want the gift that
    comes from God through Christ.
    Since we began to study Romans 3:21-24, we have seen that God's righteousness has
    been made available to all of mankind today, but it is only imputed to those who believe.
    Then God, upon that faith, justifies or declares the sinner righteous. Now we learn that all
    of this is done "FREELY BY HIS GRACE." What a wonderful God we have!
    Ephesians 3:1-5 teaches us that God's message of GRACE was first revealed to Paul. It
    was through the Apostle Paul that God's Word of GRACE was preached to the Gentiles.
    Galatians 1:13-16 gives testimony that God's GRACE was what changed Paul from
    being the number one enemy of Christ into Christ's number one preacher among the
    Gentiles.
    I Timothy 1:11-16 explains why God used Paul for this job of making His GRACE
    known. It was because Paul's conversion is the pattern of grace. Paul deserved the most
    severe punishment of hell, but by the grace of God he was saved and given the right (as
    all believers have today), to sit with Christ in heavenly places - (see Ephesians 2:6).
    We have said: "Mercy gets the criminal off the hook, but grace pays his debt". Romans
    3:24 goes on to tell us that the reason God is free to deal with mankind today in GRACE
    is because of what Jesus Christ accomplished for us on the Cross. The Lord Jesus Christ
    paid our debt of sin and, in receiving Him, we are set free to enjoy God's love and to live
    in His favor!
    PRACTICAL POINT:
    Everything required for my Salvation has been supplied by God. Salvation is the work of
    God in my behalf. Now, to get that point through our stubborn thick human heads, we are
    told that justification is unmerited and undeserved on our part. On the other hand, it is
    given freely to us on God's part. It could not be made any clearer. Salvation comes to us,
    not on the basis of works, but on the basis of a free gift from God.
    Since I am now in God's favor apart from any good works of my own, then-- if I happen
    to do a bad deed-- it does not change God's attitude toward me.
    Before you jump to any conclusion, please understand; this does not mean that a believer
    is free to go out and continue sinning. Contrary to popular opinion--but in accordance
    with Scripture--as a Believer dwells upon this grace of God in which he now stands, it
    will motivate him to do good works! – see Titus 2:11, 12.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    7:36 PM




    +Hans S To say God will remove what we now have which is eternal is to slander the true character of God.
    God does what He pleases. If the sin debt is paid and the requirement is to believe, and it is by the faith of Jesus Christ Himself...how do you come up suicide forfeits the GRACE of God?
    God says to attack a member of the body of Christ is a direct attack on Jesus Himself, He takes it personal.
    Read about Saul's conversion.
    You are mixing up SPIRITUAL ETERNAL SALVATION with a temporary physical salvation.
    Though one might lose his life he will never lose his eternal life salvation.

    We were given the gift of salvation the moment we believed and we were saved, justified and sanctified in the eyes of God by the blood of Jesus....God does not take the gift back.

    That is a satanic idea. Study the word of God. Listen to some David Hocking

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  8. +J Wing
    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist The people I have known and who have committed suicide, as believers in God-the Lord JESUS Christ, just listened to Satan when they committed their deed of self-murder.


    Satan wants ALL people to commit suicide and especially believers in JESUS.

    There are two ways to commit suicide: spiritually, by rejecting JESUS as Savior and Lord and God, and literally by BOTH rejecting JESUS as Savior and Lord and God at the moment of performing the crime in a spiritual sense, and by conforming this through the act of self-destruction.

    Now you tell me why JESUS should forgive such people.

    You seem to threaten JESUS with CRUCIFIXION again, telling Him that according to the 'LAW of GRACE' He MUST forgive this deed out of LACK of FAITH in Him and out of LACK of LOVE and RESPECT (the FEAR of GOD) for Him, or 'else He is a FAILURE and a LIAR to Himself'.

    That's pretty CRIMINAL.

    PS: Satan, btw. LOVES this debate.

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    J Wing
    4:32 PM




    +Hans S Again you insist that 1 particular sin of suicide is not covered, when Jesus said ALL SINS are covered. It like you don't understand the term of ALL SINS includes your particular sin of suicide. I mean honestly what part of ALL SINS don't you get??
    Mark 3:28-29
    28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

    Is suicide a sin? Yes? Then Jesus said its covered under ALL SINS shall be forgiven. How much simplier can it get?

    A person NEVER CEASES to be a follower of Jesus even when they sin, the sin of suicide included. You are just fooling yourself by saying ALL SINS doesn't include the sin of suicide.

    Does the believer ever says 'there is no God'? Then why even bring it up? Only atheist say 'there is no God. As a former-atheist, I'm sure you'd agree. But believers in Jesus MUST already believe there is a God. Stop trying to go down rabbit trails and stick with the argument at hand plz.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    5:19 PM




    +Hans S Hans why do you believe this? There is no scripture to agree with you. This is a personal opinion. It goes against the written word and the gospel, and there is no scripture to back it up.
    No one is pushing suicide on anyone. Once a person is born again or made a new creation, they are not unborn or unmade.
    This claim that God would remove His blessings on someone who takes their life is a slap in the face of God against His character, when He declares us righteous He will not repent and pull the rug of salvation out from under someone.
    You are either saved or unsaved, a believer or an unbeliever, forgiven or unforgiven. There is no in-between where we wait to find out our destiny.
    The gifts and promises of God are without repentance, that includes the gift of eternal life.

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  9. +J Wing
    Ah, now it's getting interesting: you accuse me of working for Satan!


    This proves what a CRIMINAL you are yourself and that you're a PROMOTER of SUICIDE.

    You preach the SUICIDE-'gospel'.

    It's getting WEIRDER by the minute with CHURCH people like you.

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    J Wing
    12:09 AM




    +Hans S And what we are telling you is: If they who committed the sin of suicide has BELIEVED ON JESUS as savior, even that sin is covered by Jesus who died for ALL SINS that man can commit. Yes maybe they listened to Satan but the joke is on Satan cuz that person is still forgiven of ALL HIS SINS.

    I mean what part of ALL SINS are forgiven don't you understand?

    Satan has kind of TRICKED you into thinking that suicide is a rejection of Jesus as Savior. It is not. suicide is simply a sin which you believe the situation won't get better. However, Jesus says as long as you BELIEVE on Jesus you are forgiven of EVERYTHING and ANYTHING.

    Who are you to tell Jesus what you think He should forgive and what He shouldn't. The Bible says the 1 act of Jesus on the cross paid for ALL SINS forever. Satan is laughing at you cuz you think Jesus is loving enough to forgive certain sins. Hebrews 7:27

    Stop working for Satan, by saying the sin of suicide is not covered by Jesus under ALL SINS.
    Matthew 12:31-32
    31 Wherefore I say unto you, ALL MANNER OF SIN and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

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  10. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "Either someone is saved or unsaved either they are a believer or an unbeliever"

    Exactly, and the question is whether SAVED and BORN AGAIN people have committed suicide, or whether they were just BELIEVERS.

    Muslims and Catholics and Hindus are BELIEVERS too.

    The SPIRIT of SUICIDE goes directly against the HOLY SPIRIT=JESUS.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    12:56 AM




    +Hans S No Hans you don't understand, forgiveness is not the gift
    Forgiveness happened 2000 years ago at the cross

    2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    not imputing their trespasses unto them
    not imputing their trespasses unto them

    but God sees it as happening before..... the foundation of the world.

    Ephesians 1:4 according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    Hebrews 9:26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
    to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

    SIN IS DEALT WITH

    17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    SO WHEN DOES GOD BEGIN TO RE-IMPUTE SIN ON SOMEONE?

    Either someone is saved or unsaved either they are a believer or an unbeliever.

    Suicide is not an unforgivable sin, if it were it would mean the person was never saved in the first place which would mean that no believer would commit suicide or no suicide could have become a believer first...otherwise you make God a liar when He declares ALL BELIEVERS RIGHTEOUS.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    1:03 AM




    Why would Paul be able to say this?

    1 Corinthians 5:5 to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    1:11 AM




    +Hans S The body is already dead in God's eyes

    Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    Hans S
    12:16 PM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "Either someone is saved or unsaved either they are a believer or an unbeliever"

    Exactly, and the question is whether SAVED and BORN AGAIN people have committed suicide, or whether they were just BELIEVERS.

    Muslims and Catholics and Hindus are BELIEVERS too.

    The SPIRIT of SUICIDE goes directly against the HOLY SPIRIT=JESUS.

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  11. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    "Dear Father, I've asked +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist and +J Wing several times to end this debate
    , because we don't agree, but they keep going on, and +J Wing even suggests that I'm serving Satan when I say that you don't condone suicide by anyone.
    They don't listen to me, but to their own interpretation of the 'law of grace', and they assert that you will forgive suicide, as long as it's perpetrated by a believer in you.
    I've told them that committing the crime of suicide is and act of not believing in you and not trusting you and also and aggressive deed against you and others.
    It's a satanic deed.
    Lord JESUS, I'm sick and tired of this discussion, so I'm asking you to convince +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist and +J Wing what you think about MURDERING oneself.
    Thank you very much, dear Father, and I'm glad that I won't go to hell, and I've asked +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist and +J Wing whether they love you and whether they are glad that they won't go to hell, but they just don't answer me.
    I leave them up to you, in JESUS' name, amen".

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    J Wing
    4:28 PM




    +Hans S So let me get this straight a Believer should NEVER SIN according to you? If they do they aren't saved?
    Got news for you the Bible says Believers can and will sin and it doesn't make them unsaved.
    Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is NOT A JUST MAN upon earth, that doeth good, and SINNETH NOT.

    1John1:7-2:1 [written to BELIEVERS]
    7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL SIN.
    8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
    9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
    10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
    1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And IF ANY MAN SIN, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    So you see Believers still SIN and suicide is just another sin. And guess what John even says there, the blood of Jesus cleanseth us from ALL SIN.

    So oops suicide sin is covered by Jesus if you BELIEVE in Jesus as your Savior.

    NO muslims, Catholics, and Hindu are NOT BELIEVERS. They don't TRUST that Jesus is the divine Son of God who's blood is sufficient to cover ALL SINS.

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    1. You are deviant from the Bible if you think Muslims and Hindus are believers in Jesus. WOW your faith is completely wrong. You aren't a Christian, cuz you preach universalism.
      Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD. Not Muhammad, not Mary, not Peter, not any Hindu God but Jesus alone.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      6:48 PM




      +Hans S Maybe I should clarify what it means to be a BELIEVER it is someone who hears the gospel of salvation and Believes and trusts in and relies upon what Jesus Christ did on the cross to pay the penalty for all his/her sins and is washed in the blood and reconciled to God and baptized Into Christ's death burial and resurrection by the Holy Spirit.
      Romans 8:1
      There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

      ....9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

      10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

      So HANS if you want me to believe your opinion on this I have to tell you I believe God's word.

      YOu will need to give me scripture to back up and prove what you are claiming that sin is unforgivable and someone somehow is no longer a new creation anymore and going to hell now for listening to satan.
      Do you see how absurd that sounds?

      Anyway you will have to prove it with the word of God to back it up otherwise this conversation is done and you can have your UNBIBLICAL OPINION but don't push it as the TRUTH...God's word is TRUTH.

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  12. Some people PURPOSELY WANT TO interpret someone else's words FALSELY....

    Quote from J Wing:

    "So oops suicide sin is covered by Jesus if you BELIEVE in Jesus as your Savior.

    NO muslims, Catholics, and Hindu are NOT BELIEVERS. They don't TRUST that Jesus is the divine Son of God who's blood is sufficient to cover ALL SINS.

    You are deviant from the Bible if you think Muslims and Hindus are believers in Jesus. WOW your faith is completely wrong. You aren't a Christian, cuz you preach universalism.
    Jesus is the ONLY WAY TO GOD. Not Muhammad, not Mary, not Peter, not any Hindu God but Jesus alone."

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    I can PROVE from my words above that I've never stated that Muslims, Catholics and Hindus are believers in JESUS.

    I simply state that they are believers too from and ATHEIST point of view, but since CHURCH people have never been an ATHEIST like me, they simply don't understand what I mean.

    Asserting that I'm preaching UNIVERSALISM is SLANDER and simply NOT TRUE.

    +J Wing You LIE as 'good' as Catholics or JESUITS.
    They love to twist my words and then accuse me of being a Satanist.

    Examples: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/hitler-was-financed-by-federal-reserve.html?showComment=1466403127588

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/the-great-deceiver.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/good-news-for-catholics.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/the-diabolical-history-of-society-of.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/peter-was-never-in-rome.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/catholicism-in-nutshell.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/05/i-hate-roman-catholic-church.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/05/the-false-anti-prophet-christ.html#comment-form

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/05/in-response-to-malicious-catholic.html#comment-form

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    1. from and ATHEIST point of view=from an ATHEIST point of view

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  13. +J Wing
    People who believe in the existence of deities are BELIEVERS.


    People who believe in the Lord JESUS are BELIEVERS in JESUS.

    A little child is able to understand what I say and to make this distinction, but you WANT TO twist my words and then you call me a liar, and now you even SUGGEST I'm a Catholic.

    Are you sure you want to go to heaven, because I will be there, thanks to JESUS?

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    J Wing
    11:53 PM




    +Hans S LoL basing all your proof on your opinions again. Why are you afraid to quote scripture? Maybe cuz you know scripture when QUOTED doesn't back up your opinion.

    You keep saying that the sin of suicide can not be forgiven. Jesus said ALL SINS can be forgiven men. You are like Catholics fighting the clear quoting of Scripture.
    Mark 3:28-29
    28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
    1John1:7 [written to BELIEVERS]
    7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from ALL SIN.

    You are trying to say you didn't say this? "Muslims and Catholics and Hindus are BELIEVERS too."

    scroll upwards and you'll see you wrote those exact lines. Now your are LYING trying to deny what you said. Should Jesus die for someone particularly boldfaced LYING about what Jesus said?

    Jesus is the ONLY WAY to God. Its in the Bible so no Muslims nor Hindus are believers. Catholics are questionable as they don't believe Jesus is the only way and that they can work their way to Heaven by not sinning. Kind of like you.
    John 14:1 & 6 [ Jesus speaking]
    1 “Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, BELIEVE ALSO IN ME.
    6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    You sure you don't go to mass or listen to the pope? Cuz the pope says Muslims are saved in their own way and so is everyone, in whatever method they choose to use. Hmm you might think you have found Jesus but it is not the Jesus of the Bible that said He is the only way.

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  14. +J Wing
    Ah...so you pretend to be my creator and the one who has saved my on January 15, 1984?

    This is my favorite song from that time, shortly after JESUS had come into my life and when you were about 8 years old: Mylon LeFevre - MORE - My Heart Belongs to Him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfNxHoGtEvE

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    J Wing
    12:28 AM




    +Hans S Not according to the Bible you aren't. You MUST TRUST JESUS COMPLETELY to get you to Heaven. None of it can be of your doing. If you say you can lose it by suicide you aren't trusting completely in Jesus. You are trusting partially in your own WORKS. And eph2:8-9 says salvation is NOT BY WORKS.

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  15. +J Wing
    Are you brain damaged or retarded?

    I AM saved, thanks to God-the Lord JESUS!
    You just want me to agree with you that SUICIDE is OKAY, as long as one is a 'believer'.

    Now, stop with this nonsense and agree with me that we don't agree, because I've got better things to do.

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    1. +J Wing I've deleted your comment, because you don't respect my wish to END this debate.

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      J Wing
      5:16 PM

      +Hans S
      How can you be sure you haven't lost your salvation? After all you are the one that said you can do certain sins and not be saved, even after claiming you were saved.

      Suicide is just another sin covered by Jesus when He said ALL SINS are forgiven. If you don't trust Jesus to forgive ALL SINS like He said He does, YOU ARE THE ONE WITH THE PROBLEM.

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      Satan likes to tell me that I've got a problem, and I don't like Satan and I don't like you.

      I won't block you, but I will delete all your subsequent comments concerning this subject.

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  16. <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/2TC4rGYcWo7>+J Wing Hebrews 6:1-6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)</a>

    1 Therefore, leaving the doctrine of the beginning of Christ, let us be led forward unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
    2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and laying on of hands, and of the resurrection from the dead, and of eternal judgment.
    3 And this will we do if God permit.
    4 For it is impossible that they which were once lightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
    5 And have tasted of the good word of God, and of the powers of the world to come,
    6 If they fall away, should be renewed again BY REPENTANCE: seeing they CRUCIFY AGAIN to themselves the Son of God, and make a mock of him.

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    Believers in JESUS who have committed suicide have become apostates and they can't undo it, by confessing/acknowledging their sin and by receiving forgiveness, because they died during the deed of the crime.
    God-the Lord JESUS gave us a FREE WILL and we are still FREE to say NO to Him, and then God-the Lord JESUS is FREE to say to such a person "I have never known you".

    In answer to your question:
    Ephesians 2:8 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

    Once saved, always saved adherents are deceived, because they think that God-the Lord JESUS is lenient towards perpetrators of the crime of suicide, which isn't 'just a sin', but a deliberate satanic act.

    They are also deceiving those who are contemplating the option of suicide.

    REPENT from this MADNESS!

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    J Wing
    5:40 PM




    +Hans S Sad you resort to deleting posts when you don't like to hear the truth. You know who Jesus is in history, thats great. But you really really need to BELIEVE on Jesus that He forgives ALL SINS. Satan won't tell you that you have a problem. Satan doesn't want you to believe ALL your SINS are forgiven. Satan is the one holding you back right now.

    Look at Jesus words if you don't trust mine. The sin of suicide is forgiven.
    Mark 3:28-29
    28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

    You don't want to debate cuz you want to be right. But the Bible says you are wrong. Stop listening to Satan who says Jesus won't cover certain sins. Look up the verse and see if it is not so. If you won't crack open your Bible, then you must wonder why? May Jesus forgive you of your sin of saying he won't cover ALL SINS.

    Again answer my question. How do you know you are saved? How can you be sure you haven't lost your salvation? Its really an easy question.

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  17. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Judas Iscariot was literally a follower of JESUS for about 3 years and he decided to end his life through suicide.

    He was a disciple of JESUS and meant to become an Apostle.
    Now you and +J Wing say he wasn't yet saved, so 'the law of grace' wasn't yet applicable to them.
    He could have decided to do what Peter did after he had publicly denied JESUS: DON'T COMMIT SUICIDE, but DEEPLY REGRET the sin and HOPE FOR THE BEST.
    JESUS had to RESTORE His relationship with Peter after His resurrection, and in case Judas hadn't committed suicide, He would have restored His relationship with him too.

    JESUS is GOD and He has the RIGHT to REJECT those who have deeply disappointed Him!

    JESUS wants to HELP every believer who is DEPRESSED, but they MUST TRUST Him, otherwise they are in danger to listen to Satan and commit a CRIME for which they can't ask forgiveness anymore.

    GRACE means the following GUARANTEE for every believer in JESUS:
    1 John 1:9 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    9 If we acknowledge our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    This is meant for SAVED believers in JESUS Christ.

    A suicide perpetrator cannot acknowledge his/her sin of suicide AFTER the deed, so God-the Lord JESUS also cannot FORGIVE this person.

    You assert that God-the Lord JESUS has even forgiven sins that are not acknowledged during this life.

    That is ABSURD!

    God-the Lord JESUS is a JUDGE and not some IDIOT.

    "Paul says whoever preaches a false gospel is accursed"

    The once saved, always saved doctrine is a FALSE TEACHING.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    6:17 PM




    Sola Scriptura means the Bible is the AUTHORITY....study the REAL BIBLE or you will fall for man's foolish ideas.
    All others listen to other men, we listen to God through His written word...
    so find a scripture to back up your assertions or stop calling people names and pushing false teaching...Paul says whoever preaches a false gospel is accursed.
    This is serious business

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  18. +J Wing
    Why should I listen to you while you say stupid things like "Samson was saved and he committed suicide".


    There are people who really believe that Samson committed SUICIDE!

    "Coming to mind is Samson, who killed himself and his Philistine captors who were mocking him."
    You can read this GARBAGE here... http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/christians_who_kill_themselves.html

    WELL HE DIDN'T!

    God, who's in fact JESUS, gave Samson the POWER so that God could avenge Himself through Samson on the devilish Philistines, because it was a JUDGEMENT.
    Samson gave his life for his people, as an IMAGE of Jesus, and therefore God = Jesus approved Samson's prayer.

    Judges 16:28-30 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    28 Then Samson called unto the Lord, and said, O Lord God, I pray thee, think upon me: O God, I beseech thee, strengthen me at this time only, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes.
    29 And Samson laid hold on the two middle pillars whereupon the house stood, and on which it was borne up: on the one with his right hand, and on the other with his left.
    30 Then said Samson, Let me lose my life with the Philistines: and he bowed him with all his might, and the house fell upon the princes, and upon all the people that were therein: so the dead which he slew at his death, were more than they which he had slain in his life.

    And there are even MORONS who assert that JESUS committed SUICIDE!

    They reason that since He's the CREATOR He was killed by His OWN creations, so it was His own RESPONSIBILITY.

    These kinds of IDIOTS don't want to know that God gave us a FREE WILL!

    Read the following article on the IMPORTANT aspect called FREE WILL concerning SUICIDE: http://www.behindthebadge.net/suicide/index-2.html

    Source: http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/satan-on-suicide.html#more

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    J Wing
    10:05 PM




    +Hans S Hello we don't justify suicide, at all. Now you are LYING about us. Have you lost your salvation yet?
    We DON'T JUSTIFY suicide. It is a sin like any other. Like ALL SINS it is covered by Jesus blood.

    And what if you don't confess? Jesus doesn't take back His gift of salvation.

    Show me a verse that says without confession there is no forgiveness of sins? You won't find it. Stop making up junk that isn't in the Bible.

    Salvation is a GIFT OF GOD
    Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    GIFTS of God are NEVER TAKEN BACK
    Romans 11:29
    For the GIFTS and calling of God are WITHOUT REPENTANCE.

    Why should we listen to you who says God will take back his gift of salvation, when God says in the Bible He won't. SUICIDE WILL NOT CAUSE GOD TO TAKE BACK HIS GIFT OF SALVATION!! If you believe otherwise go join the Catholic church that believes that.

    Oh btw Samson was saved and he committed suicide. Whoops.

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  19. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    You dare to say I have a haughty attitude, just because we don't agree on this?


    Samson did not commit suicide PERIOD!!!!

    His intention was not to kill himself, but to get revenge because of his eyes and God, who is JESUS, granted him his request by giving him the power to be able to destroy the temple of the Philistines, knowing that this would also kill His servant Samson, but this would function as an IMAGE of His OWN future death on the cross: a deed of UNSELFISHNESS to the BENEFIT of others.

    Or do you also dare to say that JESUS committed suicide?

    Whose side are you on?

    +J Wing No, YOU have a DISTORTED understanding of MY FATHER'S character!

    Your god is an IDIOT!

    To you both: See if this applies to you:

    Psalm 51:17 World English Bible (WEB)
    17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit.
    A broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

    Psalm 51:17 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    17 The sacrifices of God are a contrite spirit: a contrite and a broken heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
    Hans S
    4:31 AM




    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "That site doesn't use scripture to prove anything, it's an opinion and they use the NIV, not even the majority text."

    I can also say that what you say is just an opinion and you could have looked the verses up in the KJV or the GNV.

    You just want to keep defending suicide, as a forgivable option for believers and so you don't want to know about someone else's thoughts about it.

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    J Wing
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    You trust only your opinion. Suicide is killing yourself. What did Samson do he pushed the pillars and brought the temple down upon himself and everyone else. THAT BY DEFINITION IS SUICIDE. Are you honestly that dense to say its not suicide.

    Here to prove how stupid your ascertion that Samson didn't commit suicide I will copy your own verse back at you.
    Judges 16:30
    Then said Samson, LET ME LOSE MY LIFE with the Philistines:

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    1. Even Samson recognized that he was killing himself. And God answered his prayer giving him the strength to do it. Whoops Guess God has no problem with people killing themselves.

      You are so convinced with your OWN conceit that you don't even see your point is completely invalidated by the very verse you quoted to me.

      Was Samson saved? Yes Why? Because God doesn't answer those who are unrighteous. Samson's intent was suicide and if aren't righteous because of suicide, then why did God give Him the strength to commit suicide. Stupid assumption of yours. No wonder you keep pointing to your BLOG as if its the Bible.

      Your opinion means NOTHING to me. God's opinion is what counts and God said suicide doesn't damn a person. NOT BELIEVING on Jesus damns a person. Suicide doesn't mean squat.
      ​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
      16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:09 AM




      16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

      17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

      18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

      19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

      Sampson killed himself and God gave him the strength to do it.
      THAT IS SUICIDE (PERIOD)

      Why do you keep arguing this point? It is plain as the nose on your face that you have a haughty attitude and the fact that God is so good that he will even forgive suicide just makes you crazy because you do not understand God or the gospel, or the grace of God.

      Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

      """"Joyce, you also like to twist my words in order to justify SUICIDE."""...I didn't twist anything, I QUOTED YOU.

      Stop bearing false witness.

      You don't seem to understand the goodness of God, you have a very wrong idea of God's character, he doesn't judge things the way a man's sinful heart wants to judge things...we wouldn't forgive anyone.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:01 AM




      +Hans S That site doesn't use scripture to prove anything, it's an opinion and they use the NIV, not even the majority text.

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  20. +J Wing
    Samson didn't commit suicide.
    I told you that before, so it's your word against mine.

    I'm so glad my salvation isn't dependent upon the opinions of a person called J Wing.
    it's something between JESUS and me.

    Hans S
    11:56 PM

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Samson didn't commit suicide but Saul did, and what did Paul say to the keeper of the prison who wanted to kill himself with his sword?

    Acts 16:27-28 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    27 Then the keeper of the prison waked out of his sleep, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew out his sword and would have killed himself, supposing the prisoners had been fled.
    28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we all are here.

    Yes, this is an example of a man who wasn't saved yet, but I emphasize the negativity of suicide.

    Again I say that we don't agree on this, but feel free to continue to convince yourself of what you already believe concerning suicide, perpetrated by so called believers in JESUS.

    I'm happy that JESUS and I agree on this.

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  21. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Ho, wait a minute: YOUR Jesus doesn't agree with MY JESUS.


    My JESUS doesn't call suicide a 'noble mission'.

    I don't like your SUGGESTION that my way of thinking is CATHOLIC and J Wing SUGGESTED the same, just because we don't agree on this.

    Because you and J Wing believe in 'once saved, always saved' you don't believe that a saved person can ever lose his or her salvation.

    Well, I believe I am saved and not by you or J Wing or by 'scripture', but by the Lord JESUS Christ.

    This is something between JESUS and me and nobody elses' business, including the devil.

    BUT: in case I choose DELIBERATELY to do a SERIOUS sin, for which I can't receive forgiveness, because I can't confess/acknowledge it as a sin, AFTER the deed, I'm NOT forgiven and I've LOST my salvation.

    If I commit a murder, I still can be forgiven, because I can repent and confess this sin to God-the Lord JESUS as a regrettable deed.

    If I commit SELF-MURDER, I can't be forgiven, because I can't repent and confess this sin to God-the Lord JESUS as a regrettable deed, because I AM DEAD!

    What 'once saved, always saved' adherents do, is NO LONGER listening to JESUS!

    They have become (so they THINK) followers of PAUL and not of JESUS, because they reason that most of what JESUS preached was for the Jews and 'not for us'.

    Well, I'M SURE that the Apostle Paul would agree with me, because Paul loved JESUS so much that he was prepared to lay down his life for Him.

    Suicide isn't a sin like other sins, because there is no possibility to repent and to confess it as a very wrong deed, because the perpetrator is dead.

    Suppose I would kill someone, as a believer in JESUS, who believes he is saved, and IMMEDIATELY afterwards someone else would kill me.

    Am I forgiven of this horrible crime?

    No, because there wasn't an opportunity to repent after the deed and to confess it to God-the Lord JESUS as a sin, because I am DEAD.

    God-the Lord JESUS is a JUDGE and 'once saved, always saved' adherents think they can play GAMES with Him, because of their 'LAW OF GRACE', but God-the Lord JESUS can't be FOOLED or TRICKED and NO ONE can OUTSMART Him!

    I knew a so called believer in JESUS who was WARNED many times NOT to commit suicide, and yet she committed the deed by lying calmly down on a railroad track, waiting for the next train that would cut her in pieces, which happened: THREE PIECES; head, body and legs.

    Her UNSAVED family, including her mother said afterwards 'it was better this way', because of her reputation of having been an unstable person/believer in JESUS, and when I heard it, I couldn't believe that these people could react so cold, and they seemed to be relieved that this 'difficult person' could no longer bother them or cause problems to others, and I UNDERSTAND, because she was a person who SEEMED to be wanting to follow JESUS, but her ACTIONS proved otherwise.
    But it was sad to learn that she never received enough LOVE from her parents, so that she would have been able to fight for her life.

    Many times suicide perpetrators do their deed in order to 'PUNISH' others, including themselves.

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    1. This isn't about a saved person, but listen to the lyrics, though I think you already know this song: The Police - Can't Stand Losing You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH0vjLwMyc4

      I've called you so many times today And I guess it's all true what your girl-friends say That you don't ever want to see me again And your brother's gonna kill me and he's six feet ten I guess you'd call it cowardice But I'm not prepared to go on like this I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing you I can't stand losing you I can't stand losing you I can't stand losing you I see you sent my letters back And my L.P. records and they're all scratched I can't see the point in another day When nobody listens to a word I say You can call it lack of confidence But to carry on living doesn't make no sense I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing I guess this is our last goodbye And you don't care, so I won't cry But you'll be sorry when I'm dead And all this guilt will be on your head I guess you'd call it suicide But I'm too full to swallow my pride I can't, I can't, I can't stand losing

      Committing suicide is the OPPOSITE of following JESUS and trusting in Him.

      Are people really saved, who commit suicide?

      I'm not JUDGING or CONDEMNING anybody, but there is NO OTHER way for me than to REJECT in the STRONGEST possible terms the option of SUICIDE!

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    2. I have blocked J Wing, because he attacked the very fact that JESUS has saved me, so this means that I DON'T consider him to be my brother in JESUS Christ, because in principle I don't block brothers and sisters in JESUS.

      And all because we don't agree on the issue of suicide, perpetrated by questionable believers in Jesus.

      He wants suicide perpetrators so badly in heaven that this was reason enough for him to attack my salvation through my beloved JESUS Christ.
      Anyone who DARES to say I'm not saved is cooperating with SATAN!

      These were his last words on this thread:
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      J Wing
      4:29 PM

      Nope you've got a problem +Hans S . You say you are saved not by what scripture says, which makes your Jesus as bogus as the Catholic Jesus. Catholics like you claim that Jesus death was NOT ENOUGH to save or keep someone saved. Thats why to Catholics suicide is unforgiveable because its a final act that prevents the person from doing anything further to EARN THEIR SALVATION.

      The Scriptures however say Jesus died ONCE AND FOR ALL SIN, and NOTHING MORE IS LEFT TO BE DONE TO EARN SALVATION. If you think there is more to do in order to be saved then NAME THEM. So far you got Faith + No Suicide (no mortal sins) + what else?

      You are UNQUALIFIED to earn salvation or even keep it. It is ALL based on what Jesus did. Salvation is NOT BY WORKS. So the WORK of suicide does not help or hurt your salvation.

      "Am I forgiven of this horrible crime?

      No, because there wasn't an opportunity to repent after the deed and to confess it to God-the Lord JESUS as a sin, because I am DEAD."

      This is COMPLETELY WRONG. Show me a verse that says YOU MUST CONFESS SINS to be forgiven of them. And then show me a verse that nulifies Jesus saying ALL SINS are forgiven men if they but BELIEVE on Jesus.

      You are Catholic in your theology and don't even know it.
      Obviously you don't want to be saved. And want us to be as unsaved and unsure as you. No thanks.
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      This ARROGANT individual was 8 years old when JESUS saved me.
      I don't want to listen to his ACCUSATIONS anymore!

      He's an adherent of the 'once saved, always saved' CULT.

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    3. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      I'm created and SAVED by God-the Lord JESUS and not by you.
      He's my boss and my teacher and no one else.

      I can listen to others, but I always share it with JESUS and He's instructing me what to do with it.
      I've unblocked J Wing and whether he's still asserting that I'm not saved or not or whether he's accusing me of believing in Catholic false doctrine or not: JESUS loves me and He has saved me and no one else, and He told me to read the Bible and no one else.
      He didn't tell me to get into contact with other believers: this happened naturally when I had already gained knowledge from reading the Bible and then I wanted to share my faith with others and I also had some questions, like about the (false) doctrine of the Jehovah's witnesses.
      Eventually I became a regular visitor of an independent Bible study group and I also started to visit a local evangelical assembly.
      There I learned the WRONG gospel and other fallacies, which I wasn't aware of yet during that time.
      But that's another story.
      I'm still glad that last year I finally discovered the truth about the RIGHT gospel of GRACE, taught by our Apostle Paul on behalf of JESUS, but I still don't agree with the once saved, always saved doctrine.
      For myself I believe that I'm saved and SAFE forever, but in case I choose to commit suicide as a born again believer in JESUS, I believe that this won't be forgiven, and I've explained you earlier why.
      I will never say that God-the Lord JESUS will forgive suicide, perpetrated by a believer in Him, because I don't want to be responsible for even ONE person whom I might have encouraged to actually have committed this sin.
      You are responsible for what you believe and say on the basis of your convictions and you'll have to answer this to JESUS.
      Even if the whole world doesn't agree with me, I follow what JESUS tells me is right.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Jun 27, 2016




      +Hans S Hans you may as well throw out your Bible if you're not going to believe it.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Jul 2, 2016




      https://youtu.be/foG2G27zNVo

      Some people don't care about the truth.

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  22. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Joyce, the World English Bible (WEB) says it even better:

    Romans 11:29 World English Bible (WEB)
    29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

    IRREVOCABLE!

    Romans 11:29 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

    The question is whether a believer who has committed a sin like suicide really LOVED JESUS and really was saved in the first place.

    The whole point is LOVE!

    You can quote the Bible all day long, but if you don't LOVE me, then it's MEANINGLESS.

    That's the essence of 1 Corinthians 13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=GNV&search=1%20Corinthians%2013

    Do people who commit all kinds of horrible crimes, even though they claim to be saved, LOVE JESUS and their fellow man?

    Repentance is NOT a WORK!

    It's an EMOTION called REMORSE coupled to the strong wish to change for the better and the aversion to the sin committed.
    Hans S
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "If you don't believe in once saved always saved then you cannot believe in a pre-trib rapture in which the entire body of Christ are ready and removed together of those who died in Christ and those who are alive and remain because what you believe is that we are NOT sealed until the day of redemption by the Holy Spirit which is our guarantee."

    I prefer the term pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture.

    Of course I can believe in the pre-Time of Jacob's Trouble-rapture and at the same time don't believe in the DOCTRINE 'once saved, always saved'.

    I believe that I'm saved FOREVER (thank you JESUS!), but I also believe that it's possible that I can LOSE my salvation by committing unforgivable CRIMES.

    I still have a FREE WILL and I still can choose to become an ENEMY of God-the Lord JESUS again.

    I have no motive to do so, but in theory it's possible.

    If I were God-the Lord JESUS, then I wouldn't forgive MYSELF if I would have ended my life through SUICIDE.

    Though JESUS knew that He would be killed just outside of Jerusalem, it's NOT suicide that He decided to press on with fulfilling His mission, because He did it out of UNSELFISHNESS and LOVE.

    The same goes for Samson!

    Samson's death is an image of JESUS!

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  23. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Joyce, we still agree on the gospel of Grace.
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    It's about results of your salvation

    b. to work out (Latinefficere), i. e. to do that from which something results; of man: τήν σωτηραν, make every effort to obtain salvation, Philippians 2:12; of things: bring about, result in, Romans 4:15; Romans 5:3; Romans 7:8; 2 Corinthians 7:10 (where L T Tr WH ἐργάζομαι); James 1:3, and R G in 20; τί τίνι, Romans 7:13; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 7:11; 2 Corinthians 9:11.

    let's compare

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    Therefore beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not when I am near to you only, but now when I am far from you, all the more, with awe and with trembling, do the service of your life.

    New Living Translation
    Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear.

    good works are a result of your salvation.

    The gift is free without deeds of the flesh.

    You can't have it both ways, grace is grace unmerited favor, you cannot make the gift about meritorious works of the flesh.

    to repent means to change your mind. It is not a work. It has nothing to do with confession.
    Even so there are suicides who have had the mind to say Father forgive me for what I am about to do...so they made a confession, but that is not how they became born again, they became born again the moment they first believed the gospel.

    Why are you so stubborn on this?
    The number of confusing verses that legalists try to use for adding works to the gospel can be counted on one hand apart from the majority of verses that show clearly that salvation is not of any works at all.

    You think God has a requirement on the free gift? then it is not a free gift. We are saved by Christ plus nothing.

    You think God takes back the gift when someone takes their life, that is simply not true according to the scriptures because there is only one unforgivable sin and that is to reject the prompting of the Holy Spirit who calls us to believe in Christ for salvation.

    There is no other unforgivable sin. But you don't believe the gospel of grace.

    So if the gospel is not of works Eph 2:8,9 What work do you think a suicide should have done first in order to have eternal life?
    Hans S
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I just tried to be kind to you and then you give me a Bible study...

    MY GOD!
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Oh and I see you're also sitting on God's Great White Throne:
    "But you don't believe the gospel of grace"

    Thank you Joyce, I really needed this 'encouragement'.

    Anything else?

    When are you going to cast me into your lake of fire?

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  24. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    No, you tell me why God-the Lord JESUS should do what you think He should do, or are you threatening Him to crucify Him again if He refuses to bow down to you?


    People who commit suicide accuse JESUS of being UNABLE to help them and in that sense they crucify Him again.

    Hebrews 6:4-6 World English Bible (WEB)
    4 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.

    Hebrews 6:4-6 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    4 For it is impossible that they which were once lightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the holy Ghost,
    5 And have tasted of the good word of God, and of the powers of the world to come,
    6 If they fall away, should be renewed again by repentance: seeing they crucify again to themselves the Son of God, and make a mock of him.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    9:10 PM




    +Hans S You said yourself that you don't believe the gospel by telling me what you believe which opposes the word of God.
    You are the one sitting on the throne saying God wont forgive a suicide.

    Can you just plainly answer the scripture which says there is one unforgivable sin? Or can you answer why a person must confess all their sins? Or can you answer how God removes salvation from a believer? Can you explain how we get the free gift of eternal life the moment we believe but it's not eternal life for someone who commits suicide? Can you explain how Jesus paid the sin debt but not for the suicide who was a believer in the gospel?

    Nonsense and stop being so insulting. I should expect a born again believer to be more mature.

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    1. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Me too.


      And this is not in the Bible for no reason, because these things unfortunately happen.

      Are you still a HAPPY follower of JESUS, or is your mood depending on what I say or do?

      JESUS is coming, Joyce: there will be NO disagreements in JESUS' realm.

      I'm not condemning anybody, but I strongly condemn suicide.

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      9:58 PM


      +Hans S i completely agree with the scripture

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    2. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Me too.


      And this is not in the Bible for no reason, because these things unfortunately happen.

      Are you still a HAPPY follower of JESUS, or is your mood depending on what I say or do?

      JESUS is coming, Joyce: there will be NO disagreements in JESUS' realm.

      I'm not condemning anybody, but I strongly condemn suicide.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +Hans S https://youtu.be/S4e1CKe9erQ
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 10:15 PM




      Hebrews 6:4-6 "If we fall away?" Best explanation ever! Ryan Rufus

      https://youtu.be/FZ4RjEqfXOg
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      Hebrews 6:4-6
      https://youtu.be/FLcy0hlnqMM
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 10:51 PM




      Can you lose your salvation? | Andrew Farley

      https://youtu.be/RyDjE2Wlmug
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Eternal security and apostasy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4e1CKe9erQ&feature=youtu.be
      Good message.
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Hebrews 6:4-6 "If we fall away?" Best explanation ever! Ryan Rufus https://youtu.be/FZ4RjEqfXOg
      I agree, but the believers I knew (at least 4) who have committed suicide weren't very firm believers, so the question is whether they were really saved.
      I don't believe that a firm believer in JESUS has a MOTIVE to commit suicide, because (s)he always relies on JESUS' help, even in the worst possible circumstances.
      Hans S
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Why Hebrews 6:4-6 Does Not Teach That A Believer Can Lose Their Salvation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLcy0hlnqMM&feature=youtu.be

      I agree with this explanation too.

      But can God chastise and restore a believer who has committed suicide?
      Hans S
      9:13 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Tamara Laroux Shot Herself, & Went to Hell, Then to Heaven and BACK!! http://youtubetrash.blogspot.nl/2016/07/tamara-laroux-shot-herself-went-to-hell.html

      True: this is not about a born again, saved believer in JESUS at the moment of the suicide attempt, but this testimony shows that it's needed that a person repents from this sin=CRIME.

      How can a believer who has 'successfully' committed suicide ever repent and be chastised by God and be restored?
      Hans S
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Can you lose your salvation? | Andrew Farley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyDjE2Wlmug&feature=youtu.be

      Joyce, I agree and for myself I am assured that I love JESUS and that I'm ETERNALLY SAVED (Thank you JESUS!), but these are my comments under that video:

      Hans S1 second ago

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    3. You can lose your salvation by wanting to be the POPE or the president of the USA: they are BOTH SATANIC CRIMINALS!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by using DRUGS and/or DRINKING like CRAZY without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by FORNICATING like a WILD ANIMAL without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by LYING and by even believing in your own LIES without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by proclaiming 'I AM THE ANTICHRIST' without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by saying to the Lord-God-JESUS 'and who do you think you are...God?'
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by proclaiming 'I AM SATAN' without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by proclaiming 'I AM GOD' without wanting to be CORRECTED!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by BLASPHEMING the Holy Spirit/JESUS without wanting to REPENT!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by KILLING a fellow human being/a fellow believer while stating that this person was a USELESS PIECE OF MEAT!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by PRAISING LUCIFER!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by HATING and NOT wanting to FORGIVE a fellow believer/fellow human being!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation by proclaiming that JESUS is the DEVIL HIMSELF!
      Hans S1 second ago
      You can lose your salvation BY COMMITTING SUICIDE!

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    4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist You can lose your salvation for being stupid, which is refusing to believe that JESUS is willing to HELP you, no matter how difficult the circumstances are.

      Matthew 26:39 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      39 So he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.

      Matthew 4:7 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

      Do not commit self-murder!

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      12:09 AM




      You can lose your salvation by saying another believer can lose their salvation.
      You can lose your salvation by hating other misguided human beingsYou can lose your salvation for lying
      You can lose your salvation for not knowing the gospel
      You can lose your salvation for believing you can lose your salvation
      You can lose your salvation for being stupid

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    5. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Joyce, I don't have 'Yo Yo salvation'.

      I have the FEAR of GOD!
      What does this mean?
      That I'm afraid of my heavenly Father?
      No.....not anymore!
      But I remember it well that He has saved me from HIS WRATH.
      HIS WRATH was upon me and JESUS died in my place so that I won't perish.
      Do I believe I'm saved FOREVER?
      YES!
      Do I believe I can lose my salvation?
      YES!
      Am I motivated to cause God-the Lord JESUS to take away my salvation?
      NO!

      But I realize that I can go TOO FAR.

      Suppose JESUS would have listened to Satan's SUGGESTION when He was standing on top of the Temple, and suppose He would have jumped down.

      Yes, the angels would have come to rescue Him, so that He wouldn't fall dead, but He would have transgressed against His OWN words, which is not to put God to the test, and that's what He told Satan.

      JESUS is my example and not what people say.

      I've just responded to our Sister in JESUS, +Sheree White https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/e75K9U5DYX4

      Sheree had good contact with a sister who had terminal cancer, but this sister didn't wait on JESUS to help her (heal her or help through the dying process) and she ended her life herself through suicide.

      Sheree was VERY SAD all day long and cried continuously, after she heard the shocking news.

      Then I told her that she had to LET GO and leave it to God-the Lord JESUS.

      Now, do I condemn this believer in JESUS who committed suicide and do I say she's not in Paradise, which is the good side of the realm of the dead?

      No: I say it's up to JESUS what will happen to her, but I won't say 'of course she's saved, because 'once saved, always saved'.

      Suicide is not only a crime against one person (the perpetrator of suicide) but against loved ones and friends as well.

      I know another sister, here on Google+ and she has been diagnosed with cancer.
      She has asked people to pray for her.

      The shortest prayer is 'HELP!'.

      Nobody wants to suffer and die.

      Nobody (except a crazy person) says 'it's a great day and I'm feeling fine, so I'm going to commit suicide'.

      Suicide is an EVIL SPIRIT, an EVIL THOUGHT!

      And EVIL SPIRITS are ANGRY!

      No LOVING and KIND spirit will tell a person: 'You know what? Commit suicide and you're problems will be gone'.

      It was an EVIL SPIRIT that caused Cain to become the first murderer in history.

      It were EVIL SPIRITS that tried to persuade JESUS to GIVE UP, when He was in the Garden of Gethsemane, but He said 'not as I will, but as thou wilt'.

      John 8:22 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      22 Then said the Jews*, Will he kill himself, because he saith, Whither I go, can ye not come?

      *I always read THOSE Jews, because not ALL Jews are being meant.

      Of course JESUS didn't kill Himself!

      There are people, though, who assert that JESUS did kill Himself, because He knew in advance that He would be killed by His OWN creatures.

      But those FOOLS don't want to know about the concept of FREE WILL.

      We will all be judged concerning what we have done with our God-given FREE WILL.

      JESUS has JUDGED HIMSELF and He stood His OWN test!

      He is the ULTIMATE FREE WILL.

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 1:35 AM




      +Hans S You have Yo Yo salvation, you think God saves, then unsaves, then saves and then unsaves...maybe he has a big eraser and has to keep blotting out and adding and measuring this sin with that sin...maybe you don't believe Jesus paid ALL the sin debt on the cross including suicide and the only sin that wont be forgiven is the choice to reject the gospel the payment for your sin.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 1:36 AM




      Does Hebrews 6 teach you can lose your salvation?

      https://youtu.be/yUobBStX5BM
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 2:47 AM




      +Hans S http://www.remnantofgod.org/nl0508.htm
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:02 AM




      Perhaps a refresher on what the whole protest was about with the Reformers and the Roman Catholics will help.

      https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/trevinwax/2007/10/31/justification-the-defining-doctrine-of-the-reformation/
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      1:09 AM




      Hans?

      Can we lose the Holy Spirit? #9 of Systematic Theology (Pneumatology)
      https://youtu.be/F6fABt1R_7k

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    7. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      JESUS has saved me, so I'm SAFE and SECURE, but I still have a FREE WILL.

      I have no motive to do so, but in principle I can still say NO to JESUS.
      It's EASY to save ROBOTS, but we're not made that way.
      My part in my salvation is my decision to say YES to JESUS.
      JESUS didn't force me to say YES to Him because He loves me and my free will which He has given me.
      In case I would be so stupid to deliberately say NO to Him, JESUS will not force me to love Him.
      But I will experience the consequences of this decision, which are BAD.

      Our entire difference of opinion is about suicide.
      I believe that committing suicide and saying NO to JESUS are the same.
      I know a case of a young woman who said 'JESUS, forgive me!', before she shot herself in the chest, but she wasn't yet born again and saved.
      She experienced a miraculous survival and after this she surrendered to JESUS and got saved.
      The cases I know of people, who were known to be believers in JESUS and who have killed themselves, are about people who (I believe) weren't really born again and saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
      I don't say they're lost, but I also won't say they're saved, despite their horrific deed.

      I don't know ONE confirmation of a GENUINE, BORN AGAIN, SAVED person, who had 'successfully' committed suicide, of the assertion that God even forgives such a crime, or that He has already forgiven it before the deed as part of God's grace, because I don't believe such cases exist.

      A born again, saved person, has got JESUS inside of him or her through the indwelling Holy Spirit, and I believe that JESUS will do everything within His power in order to prevent Satan to entice him or her to commit suicide.
      It's not abnormal if a suffering SAVED person wants to die, so that the suffering will end, but it is abnormal for a saved person to actively end his or her life, because this goes directly against the personality of JESUS, who is the way the truth and the LIFE.

      But Joyce, I really don't want to argue about this anymore with you, okay?

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      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Jul 28, 2016




      If you think you can lose your salvation then you must think you have some part in it? What part do you play in your salvation?

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  25. The GOSPEL of your SALVATION & Eternal Security
    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Shared publicly - Yesterday 6:24 AM

    Most churches have an agenda, they want to keep you guessing about salvation and they want to keep you needy to the church because the truth is they need your money.
    I don't have an agenda. The word of God doesn't have an agenda except to teach truth. Even when the truth is bad news it teaches truth.
    What was the biggest problem Jesus had while ministering to Israel? it was the no faith issue, they finally killed him because they did not believe in Him.
    The Bible has always been called the book of faith.
    The entire book of Hebrews is about men of faith and reasons to believe that Jesus Christ was the anointed Messiah and Lamb of God and that He is the only one capable to resolve the sin problem, as the Son of God.
    The entire bible is about the Christ, the solution to man's sin problem which separates him from God.
    The solution is so simple that you have to have childlike humility to get it. The sin problem is pride and pride keeps people from the truth. People who want to see good works as the proof of salvation are materialistic and prideful. They completely forget that any sin even the smallest of sins disqualifies them from ever coming into the presence of God. People see big sins in other people but neglect to see their small sin is just as bad. Jesus raised the bar on sin when he told us that the thought of sin is sin. We are incapable of being sinless because our human Adamic condition is sin.
    All sin past present and future had to be dealt with to redeem mankind and Jesus Christ did just that.
    Which of your sins were not dealt with at the cross? Which sin that you do not "strive to be righteous" will send you to hell? Na, all your sins send you to hell. Only the blood of Christ keeps us from going there.
    Sure as examples of how Christ wants us to live we should be about doing what is right and good, because He has given us life and the sin has no power over us if we walk by faith.
    Again with the FAITH?
    YES, it is entirely about FAITH. Remember Jesus took all sin on the cross and only the blood takes away sin and to believe the gospel is to be adopted into Christ for "ETERNAL LIFE" not temporary, not conditional, but unmerited favor "grace" by FAITH.
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      Amen ,we were bought with a price so let's glorified God with our bodies and heart for we are not our own.
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      Jesus Christ yoke is not heavy. You will love him or for reasons I don't understand, you won't. 
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      +Tim Jones You might like to see this
      https://youtu.be/4gT-hcAwHBk
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      Are these your words?
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Thank you
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      +Hans S Yes
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Well said, Joyce!

      The (wrong) Jews didn't kill JESUS, but they wanted to (through stoning) and the Romans did it on their behalf, and as we now know, the Roman Empire is the current Roman Catholic CULT and the Vatican, and the 'Pope' is in fact the disguised Emperor and the instead of Christ = the Vicar or Christ = the Antichrist.

      Messiah, from the Hebrew Mashiach, means '(The) anointed (one)' or Christ in Greek/French/English.

      Christ JESUS (from Messiah JESUS or Mashiach YESHUA) means 'The anointed I AM SALVATION', and 'I AM' is God's name:

      Exodus 3:13-14 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      13 Then Moses said unto God, Behold, when I shall come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you: if they say unto me, What is his Name? what shall I say unto them?
      14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

      When we read the word LORD in the Geneva Bible or the KJV, we should read God's NAME, 'I AM (that I AM)'.

      JESUS is the GREAT 'I AM' in PERFECT human capacity,

      My name (from Johannes-Yochanan) means 'I AM is MERCIFUL'.

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    2. So reJOICE in God's GRACE according to Paul's gospel on behalf of our Savior and Lord, JESUS Christ!
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Jesus might have taken care of that problem 2000yrs ago with His payment on the cross. However that gift doesn't do someone any good unless they ACCEPT that gift by BELIEVING/TRUSTING on Jesus alone for their salvation THROUGH FAITH.

      +Hans S btw the Romans may have crucified Him but it was at the behest of the Jewish leaders. It had NOTHING to do with the Roman Catholic CULT which came way afterwards.

      Remember you must TRUST in Jesus sacrifice in order to be saved.
      Ephesians 2:8-91599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God,
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast himself.

      Don't forget you have accept the sacrifice of Jesus THROUGH FAITH, which is BELIEVING on Jesus. Stop just focusing on grace. Thats already been done by Jesus. You need to HAVE FAITH.
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      Is this like saying, "It doesn't matter what you do, God will forgive you".

      So Lying, Cheating, Murder, Incest is all forgiven and your allowed into Heaven?
      Hans S
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      +J Wing The Roman Catholic death cult IS the Roman Empire and in case Pilate (being the representative in that area of that Empire) would have said 'I'm not afraid of the Emperor and I alone decide here who loves and who dies, and you know something, Pharisees?...I'm not going to crucify this man called Jesus, but YOU instead, because you're annoying me', then it would have been done.

      But God decided otherwise.

      The Roman Empire (which is now the Vatican + RCC) alone murdered JESUS Christ on behalf of Satan, and this verse is confirming this:

      Zechariah 12:10 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of compassion, and they*** shall look upon me*, whom they** have pierced, and they*** shall lament for him*, as one mourneth for his only son, and be sorry for him* as one is sorry for his firstborn.

      *JESUS
      **The Romans
      ***The remnant of the Jews

      "Don't forget you have accept the sacrifice of Jesus THROUGH FAITH, which is BELIEVING on Jesus. Stop just focusing on grace. Thats already been done by Jesus. You need to HAVE FAITH."

      Thanks for telling me and I already know this more than 32 years.
      Hans S
      Yesterday 11:45 PM




      +Kelvin Telford Read this, if you want: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/once-saved-always-saved-biblical.html

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    3. Kelvin Telford
      Yesterday 11:48 PM




      +Hans S So you can Lie and Deceive in the name of your God? No sale here then.

      'once saved always saved'
      J Wing
      Yesterday 11:53 PM




      +Hans S I'm not saying Roman Catholicism is not a death cult. IT IS a death cult. However they are not the ones who crucified Christ. The Jewish Leaders sent Jesus to the cross. Jesus WENT willingly to the cross to sacrifice himself for our sins.

      Well if you believe and Trust in Jesus alone. Then acknowledge that Jesus says He paid for ALL SINS. There is no sin that can be committed that isn't already forgiven. Even sins you have yet to commit and are going to commit. Therefore we all STAY SAVED FOREVER.
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      +Kelvin Telford This is also the Catholic protest...but the thing is the "believer" who is put in Christ is also indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God...they have passed from death to life and are a new creature. They have the mind of Christ. So reasonably, they don't think or plan or even have a desire to do such vicious serious atrocities.
      They are a changed person in the inside, and they do not spit on the Lord who bought them with His own blood.
      God is good and and the saved soul will desire to emulate goodness.
      That is not to say there cannot be false professing Christians who are neither saved nor regenerated. And there are many many false teachers too. These are unsaved un-regenerated wicked people who love sin.
      Kelvin Telford
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist But aren't we all the hypothetical Gods children? Good and Bad as he created it all?
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      +Kelvin Telford technically we are all the sons and daughters of Adam and we are born spiritually dead.
      To be born again is to be adopted as sons of God.
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      +J Wing
      The Roman Catholic church plus the Vatican is the Roman Empire, and this satanic Empire murdered JESUS on the Babylonian symbol for the SUN-'god', the CROSS*, and by doing so Satan fell into his own sword and got defeated, and even more so when JESUS rose from the dead.

      The Jewish leaders and also the Jewish mob did NOT sent JESUS to the cross, because they had NO authority because Israel was occupied.

      But Pilate became afraid that they would tell Caesar he wasn't a friend of his:

      John 19:12 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      12 From thenceforth Pilate sought to loose him, but the Jews cried, saying, If thou deliver him, thou art not Caesar’s friend: for whosoever maketh himself a King, speaketh against Caesar.

      What the WRONG Jews (not all of them were that bad) were guilty of was cooperating with Satan against the Lord JESUS out of UNBELIEF, and UNBELIEF is the ULTIMATE SIN.

      Btw: committing suicide is also the sin of UNBELIEF.

      * The Swastika of the CATHOLIC Nazis is a version of that cross.
      The Holocaust was organized by Pope Pius XII and the leader of the JESUITS, the so called 'black pope': http://web.archive.org/web/20100210054355/http://www.one-evil.org/people/people_20c_Ledochowski.htm

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    4. +J Wing
      I don't SEEM to be 'confused', because I KNOW that I'm RIGHT
      and that the Roman Catholic church/Vatican is in fact the Roman Empire and that every Pope is in fact the Roman Emperor.

      I have NEVER stated that 'unconfessed sins go unforgiven'.

      Suppose a saved person sins and then dies: I still believe this person REMAINS to be saved, thanks to the grace of God through Christ JESUS.
      This unconfessed or unacknowledged sin will be dealt with when this person will appear before the Judgement seat of Christ.

      This is what I wrote Joyce concerning suicide:

      JESUS has saved me, so I'm SAFE and SECURE, but I still have a FREE WILL.
      I have no motive to do so, but in principle I can still say NO to JESUS.
      It's EASY to save ROBOTS, but we're not made that way.
      My part in my salvation is my decision to say YES to JESUS.
      JESUS didn't force me to say YES to Him because He loves me and my free will which He has given me.
      In case I would be so stupid to deliberately say NO to Him, JESUS will not force me to love Him.
      But I will experience the consequences of this decision, which are BAD.

      Our entire difference of opinion is about suicide.
      I believe that committing suicide and saying NO to JESUS are the same.
      I know a case of a young woman who said 'JESUS, forgive me!', before she shot herself in the chest, but she wasn't yet born again and saved.
      She experienced a miraculous survival and after this she surrendered to JESUS and got saved.
      The cases I know of people, who were known to be believers in JESUS and who have killed themselves, are about people who (I believe) weren't really born again and saved and sealed with the Holy Spirit.
      I don't say they're lost, but I also won't say they're saved, despite their horrific deed.

      I don't know ONE confirmation of a GENUINE, BORN AGAIN, SAVED person, who had 'successfully' committed suicide, of the assertion that God even forgives such a crime, or that He has already forgiven it before the deed as part of God's grace, because I don't believe such cases exist.

      A born again, saved person, has got JESUS inside of him or her through the indwelling Holy Spirit, and I believe that JESUS will do everything within His power in order to prevent Satan to entice him or her to commit suicide.
      It's not abnormal if a suffering SAVED person wants to die, so that the suffering will end, but it is abnormal for a saved person to actively end his or her life, because this goes directly against the personality of JESUS, who is the way the truth and the LIFE.

      But Joyce, I really don't want to argue about this anymore with you, okay?
      https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/Wy12mEbZbpH

      To me you're PROMOTING suicide and we just DON'T agree!
      And now I want you to go to JESUS and tell Him that you're RIGHT and that I'm WRONG and I want you to be HAPPY with it.

      Tell EVERYBODY that SUICIDE is NO PROBLEM at all and that it's in fact SAVE to do so!

      Become the EVANGELIST of SUICIDE!

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      I agree with Joyce. We were all born into sin having a physical body and soul bound for death. Being born again is a rebirth of the soul where God's living Spirit comes into you. When we die our body goes back to the ground from whence it came and the spirit goes back to God from whence it came. Reborn unto life through Jesus Christ or everlasting death or separation from God. I want nothing more than to be reconciled back to God through His Son and it's no longer a question of "if" but "when".

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    5. J Wing
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      +Hans S You seem to be confused. The Catholic Church was not around at 70 AD even so no way you can blame them for the death of Christ. However I blame them for all sorts of heresies and unBiblical doctrines that allow people to remain lost by the millions.

      On of the Catholic doctrines was what you preach which is unconfessed sins go unforgiven which is absolute HOGWASH.

      Let me ask you a few simple questions for you to understand why your idea of suicide being unbelief and loss of salvation is ridiculous.

      IS your God of the Bible not ALL KNOWING?
      Does our decisions take him by SURPRISE?
      Does God not know our sins even before we commit them?

      If you say yes He knew our ALL our sins before we committed them? You are right. So therefore the sin of suicide is ALREADY KNOWN by God.

      Therefore ALL SINS we would commit is already covered by Jesus ONE PAYMENT on the cross even before we confess and admit it. We don't need to confess it like Catholics require because it is ALL ALREADY COVERED. We are safe in our salvation forever!!
      Atheism is Madness
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      +J Wing 1 John 1:9 For if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
      Our sins are forgiven but for me acknowledging specific sins to God is my way to say to God, I hear your voice of correction and am going to be obedient in faith to turn from that sin, giving all glory and credit to Jesus Christ. After all, I can't stop sinning on my own strength but by the power of the Holy Spirit that leads me out of it.

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    6. +Atheism is Madness
      Nice quote, but for example Samson did NOT commit SUICIDE!

      He could've NEVER destroyed the temple of the Philistines WITHOUT the POWER of God, who is JESUS Christ, and JESUS did NOT commit suicide either!

      Is it SUICIDE to throw yourself in front of another you love in order to save him or her from being killed by someone with a deadly weapon, or by throwing yourself on a hand grenade with the same purpose?

      OF COURSE NOT, and this is what BOTH Samson and JESUS did.

      Samson was an image of JESUS when he sacrificed himself for the benefit of others.

      The other examples are NEGATIVE and done out of SELFISHNESS.
      Hans S
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      +Kelvin Telford
      I was simply emphasizing things.

      I also could've done it this way.

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      Kelvin Telford
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      +Hans S Are you raising your voice?
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      In the old testament, suicide was sometimes accepted as an appropriate response to escape evil, avoid shame, express grief over a tragic death, or avoid capture or dishonor in battle. In the Old Testament, there are 6 examples of suicide:
      Abimelech (Judges 9:54) – to avoid the shame of death at the hands of a woman
      Samson (Judges 16:28-31) – to defeat those who imprisoned him
      Saul (1Samuel 31:1-4) – to avoid the dishonor of being captured after he was wounded
      Saul’s armor-bearer (1Samuel 31:5) – to atone for killing a king
      Ahitophel (2Samuel 17:23) – in despair over deception being perpetrated around him
      Zimri (1Kings 16:18) – to avoid capture by the army
      Scripture does not write about these 6 in any condemning manner. While some are not missed, others are actually praised as heroes. People who commit suicide are more likely to have a mental illness or depression. I love Jesus Christ who resides in me therefore I would never ever even think of suicide but judgment from God will be based on your personal experience, life, and circumstances. In other words it's not a clearly cut subject. 
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      +Atheism is Madness Thanx I didn't know all of this....here is a treat for you....lol ...ok
      https://youtu.be/BS0uwItV9Wc
      Atheism is Madness
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist​ Your welcome my sister in Christ. I by no means condone or approve even in extreme circumstances suicide. My point is, that to say with certainty that those who commit such a tragic end to thier problems are sent to hell. There's no scriptures to support this conclusion. There's no need to stretch and misinterpret scriptures to fit ones opinion when a subject like this would have been clearly defined and spoken as a sin that sends one to hell. 

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    7. +J Wing Samson did not commit suicide, period!
      God (the Lord JESUS) gave Samson the power to sacrifice himself for the sake of his people.
      I know JESUS PERSONALLY and He will NEVER give someone the power to commit SUICIDE....are you out out of your mind?
      When JESUS saved me He told me "Hans, there are 2 things you can do: commit suicide, or start reading the Bible".
      Satan wanted me to commit suicide.
      Satan ALWAYS wants people to commit suicide and I know Satan PERSONALLY.
      He's INSANE!

      Do you have proof that believers who have committed suicide are in Paradise, just as JESUS assured the other convicted man on the other cross that he would be with JESUS in that blessed place, after his death?
      I'm not condemning anybody and I leave it up to God-the Lord JESUS, but I strongly condemn suicide

      "suicide is unbelief that sends someone to Hell even if they had been saved before"

      These are YOUR words, not mine, but yes: suicide is the OPPOSITE of FAITH in JESUS Christ.

      Instead of crying out for HELP it's giving in to HOPELESSNESS.

      As I told you before I don't know anyone who was really saved and who had committed suicide, and who is not in the realm of the dead, but in the place JESUS called 'Paradise'.

      I knew BELIEVERS who have committed suicide, but the question is: were they really saved?

      +Atheism is Madness Amen, of course, but what has this to do with the subject suicide, perpetrated by believers in JESUS?

      Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

      'Kamikaze pilots' don't love themselves!

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      J Wing
      12:21 PM




      +Hans S You might not have said "unconfessed sin goes unforgiven." But everything you state says it already. You said suicide is unbelief that sends someone to Hell even if they had been saved before. The reason you gave was that suicide makes you dead and unable to confess your sin of self murder and so therefore you are unsaved.

      This is the same reasoning that Catholics have and it is WRONG. Even unconfessed sins are forgiven.

      Solomon died an unrepentant and unconfessed sinner, yet he was listed as saved in the Bible. A holy man.

      Samson committed suicide and asked God for the strength to do so. God gave him the power to COMMIT SUICIDE. Samson died by his own hands.

      Jesus did not suicide. He did not die by His own hands. You are completely screwed up in your logic or don't know what suicide is. Stop being convinced of your own wisdom and learn. The sin of suicide is forgiven the INSTANT you BELIEVE on Jesus for salvation. Stop follow Catholic teachings plz.
      Atheism is Madness
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      +Hans S Galatians 5:13
      13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

      14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

      15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

      16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

      17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

      18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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    8. +Kelvin Telford
      Do you love JESUS?
      He's the WORD of God.

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      +Hans S Have you wasted your life?
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      +Hans S Arguing and chomping on toes is what that verse has to do with it. The world is going insane and WW3 is staging right now. I just think we got better arguments to deal with right now friend.
      Kelvin Telford
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      https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/114494411737393398002/albums/6313592865385738769/6313592870421639170?pid=6313592870421639170&oid=114494411737393398002
      Atheism is Madness
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      +Kelvin Telford They want depopulation? Wait til the catching away of the saints, that will put a nice dent in the population. 
      Hans S
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      +Atheism is Madness Yes, it's insane to believe that committing suicide will be rewarded with heaven as long as you say 'I'm saved' and others agree with you.
      There is no WW3 going on and ALL world leaders bow down to the Pope of Rome, who's the hidden Roman Emperor.
      I'm focused on the restrainer, who's JESUS through the Holy Spirit and not on stupid Satan and morons like Obama, Merkel and Putin and the Chinese, because they're all playing their ROLE, but they'll have to WAIT till AFTER the rapture.

      Just examine these pictures:
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-apAIlalulo4/VPYeqIRLKgI/AAAAAAAAbjY/MSVX5DOJ5cg/s1600/Pope%2BFrancis%2B%26%2BPresident%2BObama%2B-%2BVatican%2BAssassins.png

      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HTQNJvvDUaY/UzcYH_ceuXI/AAAAAAAAVJw/1dVkplJCcPU/s1600/Obama+and+Pope+Francis+laughing++-+E+Pluribus+Nuke+%2527em..png

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qx0UP6gqAd0/UzQIyiljKlI/AAAAAAAAVHU/AzoGjhrvsUc/s1600/Putin%2BFrancis%2BObama.png

      Putin admires the JESUIT PRIEST, Joseph 'Stalin'....

      I mean...they're ALL CRIMINALS!

      The prophetic word is about Israel

      and Israel

      and also about ISRAEL.

      It's the ONLY country on earth that God calls His own.

      And this is making Satan MAD AS HELL!

      He knows very well that his SICK rule will end because of Israel, because there JESUS will return.

      Soon the whole world will HATE Israel because of the two witnesses, AFTER the rapture and AFTER Gog and Magog, Ezekiel 38/39.

      +Kelvin Telford And do you love JESUS?

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      Kelvin Telford
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      Just think of the problems this World faces if you people put as much effort into helping us fix it, Than argue about pointless things that will never change anything, We could have a cure to every disease by now if your minds were working on the right problems. The bible is a Distraction to keep you lost in a riddle.

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    9. +Atheism is Madness
      My previous comment wasn't only about suicide
      , but about what I believe will happen after the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture.

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      +Hans S Can we drop the suicide argument already? Your killing me with all this bickering. Thanks��
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      https://youtu.be/osDXCkr7yQk

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    10. +Atheism is Madness
      I can't see what's on these tiny pictures, but I suppose it's a smiley.

      Yes, let's hug each other and that's much better than worrying about things we can't control.
      As soon as I fall asleep I've lost control and I don't mind, because then JESUS is behind the wheel.
      It's late where I live so goodnight! ;)

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      +Hans S Ok buddy, now get over here and let me give you a BIG hug!��

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  26. +J Wing
    I shared with Joyce this link to a new topic
    : The Rapture is in the Air https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/08/the-rapture-is-in-air.html

    And then you came again, talking about the issue of suicide, perpetrated by believers in Christ.

    I purposely wrote 'believers in Christ', because the question is whether believers in Christ who have 'successfully' committed suicide were real born again, saved worshipers of JESUS.

    I purposely wrote 'worshipers of JESUS'.

    Is it an act of worship toward JESUS to commit suicide?

    I don't think so!

    Committing suicide is an act out of UNBELIEF and it's not a sin that can be corrected, because the perpetrator of the deed is dead.

    Committing suicide also requires a degree of anger in order to do it effectively.

    It's clear that this anger is not from God-the Lord JESUS.

    Only THINKING of the possibility to commit suicide in order to cherish the illusion of 'keeping everything under control', won't lead to carrying out the act of suicide

    But also the very THOUGHT of committing suicide is a sin!

    JESUS doesn't want us to think that way, because this way of thinking is generated by Satan.

    PS: I know a little bit more about you than since the first time I talked to you, but a real brother in JESUS is prepared to tell me his first name, and my name is not Han, but Hans and the S is the first letter of my surname.

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    Hans S
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist New topic: The Rapture is in the Air https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/08/the-rapture-is-in-air.html

    JESUS is coming!
    J Wing
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    +Hans S Funny Han S how can you be so sure about YOU not being left behind if you think unconfessed sins would damn you to Hell? Have you confessed EVERY SINGLE ONE of your sins? Are you sure you haven't even missed one?

    This is the folly of your view that the sin of self murder is not covered under ALL SIN.

    It ruins your ASSURANCE of salvation.

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    1. +J Wing
      Good luck with your 'suicide-gospel'.
      Bub bye!


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      J Wing
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      +Hans S As much as you like and gotten the pre-trib rapture down Biblically correct. You still MUST deal with the fact that you are INSECURE in your salvation because you said Jesus won't forgive the sin of suicide.

      Anger or no anger suicide is still a sin. So you are saying Jesus won't forgive the sin of suicide. Therefore YOU have no security of salvation. You can be saved one sec and unsaved the next.

      You need to ensure you have eternal security before you can look forward to the coming rapture without worry or fear based solely on the promises of Jesus, one of which is that if you are saved Jesus will KEEP YOU SAVED no matter what your performance is. Remember salvation is NOT BECAUSE OF WORKS we can do.

      So notice you said anger is part of suicide and therfore the THOUGHT of anger is a SIN too. So now you are SINNING just by being angry. How can you stay saved unless ALL SINS are forever forgiven?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      +J Wing There is no need for this bickering, it is the Holy Spirit's job to guide us into all truth. I understand your position but Hans is not receiving it.
      Perhaps ya should just drop it now. Apparently Hans believes that he is completely trusting in Jesus as long as he doesn't commit suicide, because when he does that he has lost faith and lost his salvation forever because that means he does not believe in the work of the cross or the blood of the Lamb.
      How unbelief is related to suicide who knows, Hans knows.
      No one is condoning the act of suicide and no one is contemplating it.
      Grace is unmerited favor, if Hans believes that suicide causes one to lose unmerited favor then let him take it up with God. Pride is sin too, and God hates pride because pride keeps people from being teachable. A false gospel will make a false convert and a false spirit will lie.
      Hans doesn't believe that people who commit suicide are born of God to life. He doesn't believe that someone who commits suicide has faith in the gospel. He doesn't believe that anyone who is born of God cannot sin unto death.
      The sin unto death is putting your faith into something other than what Jesus did.
      He doesn't believe a mentally ill person who committed suicide will be allowed to go to heaven, because their sin is bigger than the blood of Jesus and not covered by the blood.
      We all know who believes what here, so I guess it is up to God and the Holy Spirit to correct any wrong understanding.
      Hans doesn't believe what we believe, he said so. Maybe he will change his mind but it doesn't seem he will.

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    2. JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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      Question: "Do mentally ill people go to heaven? Does God show mercy to those who are mentally challenged, disabled, or handicapped?"

      Answer: The Bible does not specifically say whether or not mentally ill people go to heaven. However, there is some biblical evidence that anyone who is not able to make a decision for salvation is covered by Christ’s death. This is similar to how it is commonly believed that children are automatically taken to heaven when they die until they reach the point in which they are able to make a decision for or against Christ. David had a child die, and he comforted himself with the thought, “Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me” (2 Samuel 12:23). David knew that he would see his child in heaven one day. From that statement, we can assume that babies and young children were, by God's grace, covered for salvation by Christ’s death.

      We can postulate that mentally handicapped people are covered by this principle as well. The Word of God does not specifically say this, however. Knowing the love, grace, and mercy of God, this would seem consistent with His character. Any person who is mentally challenged to the extent that he could not be aware of his sinful state and believe in Christ for salvation is in the same category as a child, and it is not unreasonable to assume that person is saved by the grace and mercy of the same God who saves babies and small children.

      As in everything, however, we must be careful not to be dogmatic about any issue the Bible does not specifically address. We do know that Jesus receives as His own all whom the Father has given to Him and He will lose none of them along the way (John 6:39). Jesus said of these, “And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand” (John 10:28). We can take comfort in knowing that our God’s plan is always perfect, He always does what is right and just, and His love and mercy are infinite and everlasting.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      3:52 AM




      Everyone on the planet is in either one of two states, they are either spiritually dead or they are spiritually born of God, the only way to be born of God is by faith in the grace of God by trusting the gospel of Christ for eternal life.
      The question is how does someone go from death to life back to death again?
      http://biblehub.com/john/5-24.htm
      J Wing
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist It is our job still you point them to the Bible for CORRECTION and doctrine. Suicide is in no way tied to Unbelief in Jesus as Savior. Suicide is simply unbelief that one's physical situation will get better. Han's attempt make suicide a salvation unbelief issue is wrong and unBiblical. The Bible says NO WORKS decide our salvation. Suicide is a WORK and therefore has no bearing on whether we get saved or not.

      Hans is simply mixing in a faith + works gospel without knowing it. He will remain saved as long as he doesn't commit suicide. This is ADDING to God's word. Again Samson committed suicide and asked God for the strength to do it. God ANSWERED indicating Samson was saved and didn't get unsaved because of his intent to self murder.

      The simple fact that +Hans S refuses to openly confess that Jesus Christ is his Lord and Savior makes me wonder whether he is saved at all. The fact that he ENJOYS being UNSURE of his salvation and making everyone around him unsure of their salvation speaks volumes on whose side he is really on.
      J Wing
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +Hans S The lie of the devil is to say that you must earn by works and not sinning to be saved. This preacher even talks about suicide.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txkh0mg-eQI

      Is suicide a sin? Yes. How many sins are covered by Jesus? All of em.
      +Hans S The Truth will set you free. Be free and not insecure.

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    3. +J Wing
      Go preach that to JESUS and not to me!

      I'm saved and SAFE and I don't need your approval/disapproval, 'Mr. Final Judgement'.
      Hans S
      11:32 PM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      The people I know who have committed suicide as believers were also known by my ex, and she and I agreed that none of them were really examples of Holy Spirit filled worshipers of JESUS Christ.
      They planned their suicide well in advance.
      It was premeditated self murder.
      But according to you and J Wing they're now praising the Lord in Paradise.
      One shot himself through the head, and to think he first had to illegally buy a gun, because our guns laws are different than in the USA, and his suicide note was one big accusation, another poisoned herself and she was found naked in the grass next to a pumping station, another laid herself down on the railway tracks and was run in three pieces by the express train, and another one hanged himself at home.
      Oh, and another one also hanged himself at home and the scene was too horrendous to describe.

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      J Wing
      8:26 PM




      +Hans S Bye bye Mr. Insecure. Keep rejecting Jesus payment for all your sins, even the sin of suicide. Your god apparrently is not all sufficient as the the Jesus of the Bible who forgives ALL SINS. That Jesus also said whoever comes to Him will NOT BE CAST OUT. (John6:37)

      Wonder why you don't like such eternal security. Sad. Make sure you are saved by TRUSTING THE RIGHT JESUS

      Foolish suicide is NOT unbelief in Jesus. Its simply unbelief in your situation ever improving. Obviously you don't know psychology well. That's why you would make such an elementary wrong comparision.
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      Salvation is of the Lord. If people would get this concept they could see the goodness of God. But people want to believe in strict punishing God and equate God to human standards.
      People don't read their Bible. The get some kind of idea of who God is comparing Him to human character. But God knows everything and he knows the heart and He says He blesses who He wants to.
      God isn't confined to anything we do as in deeds, he doesn't change His mind or take back His gifts.
      God would not give someone a gift knowing He is going to have to snatch it away later.
      God's ways are higher than our ways.
      I think because people have no way to comprehend a merciful forgiving God full of grace and unconditional love, who's great desire is that no man perish.
      People have a warped idea of God's character.
      Yes He hates sin, yes He is sovereign, yes He is the all consuming fire..but He is not in the business of damning people, He has done everything possible to make salvation possible and free to all mankind.
      I think when people actually study the word and see how God saves people and learn what God's whole plan of redemption is then maybe they would stop attributing to Him faulty humanistic characteristics.

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    4. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      The people I know who have committed suicide as believers were also known by my ex, and she and I agreed that none of them were really examples of Holy Spirit filled worshipers of JESUS Christ.

      They planned their suicide well in advance.
      It was premeditated self murder.
      But according to you and J Wing they're now praising the Lord in Paradise.
      One shot himself through the head, and to think he first had to illegally buy a gun, because our guns laws are different than in the USA, and his suicide note was one big accusation, another poisoned herself and she was found naked in the grass next to a pumping station, another laid herself down on the railway tracks and was run in three pieces by the express train, and another one hanged himself at home.
      Oh, and another one also hanged himself at home and the scene was too horrendous to describe.
      J Wing
      Yesterday 11:58 PM




      +Hans S You can get your ex to agree on anything but that doesn't make it right. It just proves you can get another person to agree with UNBIBLICAL doctrine along with you. Heck if you count that as proof your doctrine is right, then the RCC should all be correct cuz they have how many bishops agreeing with their unBiblical doctrine. LoL

      In order for a doctrine to really be correct is you must get GOD to agree from the Bible. And so far we've proven God has no issue with people committing suicide and Samson PROVES that you stay saved even committing suicide.

      The issue is NOT suicide that decides if you go to Heaven or not. Read it from the Bible.
      John 3:36 [ John the Baptist speaking]
      36 He who BELIEVES in the Son has eternal life; he who BELIEVES NOT the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.

      ​Mark 16:16 [Jesus speaking the Great Commission]
      16 He who BELIEVES and is baptized will be saved; but he who does NOT BELIEVE will be condemned.

      Do you see Jesus saying he who commits suicide is condemned? NO So you and your ex are WRONG. sorry please change your opinions to conform with God's view.
      Hans S
      12:31 AM




      +J Wing
      I said "End of discussion.

      Praise JESUS: the way the truth and the LIFE!"

      I'm not debating this subject with you anymore.

      You're also suggesting that my ex can't think for herself.

      J Wing knows more than God!

      "you said any sin like suicide will get you unsaved if unconfessed"

      You use the same methods as Catholics I'm dealing with and they also put words in my mouth that I've never said.

      I don't believe that believers who have committed suicide were saved in the first place.

      I'm saved because JESUS says so....period, and THANK YOU JESUS!

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      J Wing
      Yesterday 11:10 PM




      +Hans S Tell me this then. How do you know you are saved?
      And don't forget by your own admission you said any sin like suicide will get you unsaved if unconfessed. So are you positive you haven't missed confessing even one?

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    5. +J Wing
      'NEITHER DEATH' doesn't refer to SUICIDE and Samson sacrificed himself for the sake of others
      (his people) and he didn't murder himself, otherwise God=JESUS wouldn't have given him the POWER to do so.

      I'm not 'desperate to end the discussion', but I have BETTER things to do than to talk about perpetrators of SUICIDE who SEEMINGLY were saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit.

      What are you planning to do when you stand before God-the Lord JESUS?

      Asking Him: 'hey, where are all those perpetrators of SUICIDE??"

      And then telling Him: "Salvation is permenant and can't be ruined by any sin, not even suicide. Because God SAYS so."??


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      J Wing
      4:38 PM




      +Hans S desperate to end the discussion are you? Cuz you are WRONG. The Bible proves that believers who commit suicide STILL REMAINED SAVED. Samson committed suicide and was STILL SAVED cuz God responded and granted his request for suicide strength.

      Actually you believe exactly what Catholics do and don't know it. Go ask one of their priest if a suicide is saved. They will tell you NO.

      The Bible however says whoever BELIEVES/TRUSTS on Jesus to pay for ALL their sins is saved. Have you done this? J Wing know more than you because J Wing is using God's word, the Bible over Hans and his ex's assumptions which are wrong

      So sorry. Salvation is permenant and can't be ruined by any sin, not even suicide. Because God SAYS so.
      J Wing
      4:44 PM




      +Hans S If you say you are saved because Jesus says so, why won't you believe NO SIN can ruin that salvation? You seem to just stop yourself willfully short so that you can claim some action can prevent you from staying saved. Do you enjoy the insecurity?

      Here is a verse that PROVES suicide(aka death) can't UNSAVE us.
      Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
      38 For I am persuaded, that NEITHER DEATH, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

      Change your mind and accept the permanent gift of God through Jesus death, burial and resurrection. If you believe ALL SINS are paid for. All there in black and white.

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    6. +J Wing
      As I told you before: 'Good luck with your 'suicide-gospel'.

      https://plus.google.com/u/0/106087908907898703754/posts/Sc2T4ZgJvqC

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      J Wing
      5:25 PM




      +Hans S Oh is death not suicide to you? Wow your definition are WAAAAY off. Suicide = DEATH by your own hands. So yes DEATH will not separate us from the Love of God thru Jesus Christ our Lord.

      You and your ex are ALL changing the definition of stuff, so no wonder you 2 are NOT BIBLICAL.
      Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
      38 For I am persuaded, that NEITHER DEATH, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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    7. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      lol=laughing out loud...at me.

      Why don't you laugh at these 'stupid people' too?:

      Judges 16:30

      Benson Commentary
      Jdg 16:30. Samson said, Let me die with the Philistines — That is, I am content to die, so I can but contribute to the vindication of God’s glory, and the deliverance of God’s people. This is no encouragement to those who wickedly murder themselves: for Samson did not desire or procure his own death voluntarily, but by mere necessity; he was by his office obliged to seek the destruction of these enemies and blasphemers of God, and oppressors of his people; which in these circumstances he could not effect without his own death. Moreover, Samson did this by divine direction, as God’s answer to his prayer manifests, and that he might be a type of Christ, who, by voluntarily undergoing death, destroyed the enemies of God and of his people. They died just when they were insulting over an Israelite, persecuting him whom God had smitten. Nothing fills up the measure of the iniquity of any person or people faster than mocking or misusing the servants of God; yea, though it is by their own folly that they are brought low. Those know not what they do, nor whom they affront, that make sport with the Lord’s servants.

      Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
      16:25-31 Nothing fills up the sins of any person or people faster than mocking and misusing the servants of God, even thought it is by their own folly that they are brought low. God put it into Samson's heart, as a public person, thus to avenge on them God's quarrel, Israel's, and his own. That strength which he had lost by sin, he recovers by prayer. That it was not from passion or personal revenge, but from holy zeal for the glory of God and Israel, appears from God's accepting and answering the prayer. The house was pulled down, not by the natural strength of Samson, but by the almighty power of God. In his case it was right he should avenge the cause of God and Israel. Nor is he to be accused of self-murder. He sought not his own death, but Israel's deliverance, and the destruction of their enemies. Thus Samson died in bonds, and among the Philistines, as an awful rebuke for his sins; but he died repentant. The effects of his death typified those of the death of Christ, who, of his own will, laid down his life among transgressors, and thus overturned the foundation of Satan's kingdom, and provided for the deliverance of his people. Great as was the sin of Samson, and justly as he deserved the judgments he brought upon himself, he found mercy of the Lord at last; and every penitent shall obtain mercy, who flees for refuge to that Saviour whose blood cleanses from all sin. But here is nothing to encourage any to indulge sin, from a hope they shall at last repent and be saved.

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    8. Barnes' Notes on the Bible
      At once avenged - "i. e. with one final revenge." These words do not breathe the spirit of the Gospel, but they express a sentiment, natural to the age, knowledge, and character of Samson.

      Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
      28. Samson called unto the Lord—His penitent and prayerful spirit seems clearly to indicate that this meditated act was not that of a vindictive suicide, and that he regarded himself as putting forth his strength in his capacity of a public magistrate. He must be considered, in fact, as dying for his country's cause. His death was not designed or sought, except as it might be the inevitable consequence of his great effort. His prayer must have been a silent ejaculation, and, from its being revealed to the historian, approved and accepted of God.

      Matthew Poole's Commentary
      Let me die with the Philistines, i.e. I am contented to die, so I can but therewith contribute any thing to the vindication of God’s glory, here trampled upon, and to the deliverance of God’s people. This is no example nor encouragement to those that wickedly murder themselves; for Samson did not desire nor procure his own death voluntarily, but only by mere force and necessity, because he did desire, and by his office was obliged to seek, the destruction of these enemies and blasphemers of God, and oppressors of his people; which in these circumstances he could not effect without his own death: and his case was not much unlike theirs, that in the heat of battle run upon the very mouth of the cannon, or other evident and certain danger of death, to execute a design upon the enemy; or theirs, who go in a fire-ship to destroy the enemy’s best ships, though they are sure to perish in the enterprise. Moreover, Samson did this by Divine instinct and approbation, as God’s answer to his prayer manifests, and that he might be a type of Christ, who by voluntarily undergoing death destroyed the enemies of God, and of his people.

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    9. Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
      And Samson said, let me die with the Philistines,.... He sought their death, and was content to lose his own life to be avenged on them; in neither of which did he act a criminal part as a judge of Israel; and from a public spirit he might desire the death of their enemies, and seek to effect it by all means possible; and was the more justifiable at this time, as they were not only insulting him, the representative of his nation, but were affronting the most high God with their idolatries, being now in the temple of their idol, and sacrificing to him. As for his own death, he did not simply desire that, only as he could not be avenged on his enemies without it, he was willing to submit to it; nor did he lay hands on himself, and cannot be charged with being guilty of suicide, and did no other than what a man of valour and public spirit will do; who for the good of his country will not only expose his life to danger in common, but for the sake of that will engage in a desperate enterprise, when he knows most certainly that he must perish in it. Besides, Samson said this, and did what he did under the direction and influence of the Spirit of God; and herein was a type of Christ, who freely laid down his life for his people, that he might destroy his and their enemies:
      and he bowed himself with all his might, having fresh strength, and a large measure of it given him at this instant, which he had faith in, and therefore made the attempt, and for which he is reckoned among the heroes for faith in Hebrews 11:32.
      and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein; who were all killed, and Samson himself; an emblem this of the destruction of Satan, and his principalities and powers, by the death of Christ:
      so the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life; for besides the lords, and they that were in the house, there were 3000 men and women on the roof, which fell in, and lost their lives also, so that it is very likely there were at least 6000 or 7000 slain; Philo Byblius says 40,000, which is not probable; whereas in his life we only read of 1000 slain by him with the jawbone, besides thirty men at Ashkelon, and the slaughter made when he smote hip and thigh, the number of which is not known. As this house pulled down by Samson is generally thought to be the temple of Dagon, a traveller (a) in those parts tells us, that there is now extant the temple of Dagon in half demolished, and the pillars of it are yet to be seen; but he doubtless mistakes an edifice of a later construction for it: and another traveller (b) of our own country says, on the northeast corner and summit of the hill (on which the city is built) are the ruins of huge arches sunk low in the earth, and other foundations of a stately building; the Jews, adds he, do fable this place to have been the theatre of Samson pulled down on the heads of the Philistines; but he takes it to be the ruins of a later building; See Gill on 1 Samuel 5:2.
      (a) Baumgarten. Perogrinatio, l. 2. c. 3. p. 27. Vid. Adrichom. Theatrum Terrae S. p. 134. (b) Sandy's Travels, l. 3. p. 116.

      Geneva Study Bible
      And Samson said, {o} Let me die with the Philistines. And he bowed himself with all his might; and the house fell upon the lords, and upon all the people that were therein. So the dead which he slew at his death were more than they which he slew in his life.
      (o) He does not speak out of despair, but humbling himself for neglecting his office and the offence thereby given.

      Source: http://biblehub.com/commentaries/judges/16-30.htm

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      J Wing
      Yesterday 5:55 PM




      +Hans S You purposely try to twist my Biblical doctrine because you enjoy being insecure and working for your salvation which is prohibited by the Bible. A saved person remains saved even if they suicide PERIOD. Unless you would care to rewrite Romans8:38-39 and Judges and many others.

      Somehow I don't think you are saved even tho you think you are. Because you are still trusting in your own good works to keep you saved.

      If you think you can do something to lose your salvation, then you are trusting in YOURSELF to keep yourself from Hell, not Jesus. Its sad that you refuse to change your mind from such unBiblical nonsense. Stop resisting God's word

      You also seem to think YOUR OPINION is greater than God's. Even your own GNV version says DEATH can't separate us from Jesus.
      Romans 8:38-39 (GNV)
      38 For I am persuaded that NEITHER DEATH, nor life, nor Angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 7:32 PM




      +Hans S Samson did not sacrificed himself for the sake of others...he murdered the Philistines out of revenge...you even change the Bible story.
      J Wing
      Yesterday 7:51 PM
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      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Good point Samson says in Judges 16:28 "O God, I beseech thee, strengthen me at this time only, that I may be at once AVENGED of the Philistines FOR MY TWO EYES."

      Seems like +Hans S really doesn't read the Bible at all and trusts his own intuitions above the word of God. Guess he assumes he knows better than God who wrote the Bible.

      Self DEATH is still death and Paul says it doesn't separate us from the Love of God which gave us salvation in Jesus Christ our Lord.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 8:08 PM




      +J Wing He's reading from Hans Fairytales to please Hans...lol
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 9:12 PM




      There is a strong warning against preaching any other gospel and/or perverting the gospel...this is serious business.

      6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

      7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

      8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

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    11. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist "Anyone can write their own opinion in a commentary"
      Exactly, and I can say the same about you and +J Wing, who made matters even WORSE by saying "Stop acting like the devil by telling people they can do things to lose their salvation. Its not in the Bible"

      +J Wing Samson did not kill himself.
      Samson did not commit suicide.
      Samson did not murder himself.

      Samson was powerless without God=JESUS!

      Now, you and Joyce assert that JESUS, who is the way, the truth and the LIFE, gave him the power in order commit suicide.

      Then you really don't know JESUS.

      That's why you dare to question whether I'm saved.

      But it's not directed against me, but against JESUS, and you ACCUSE Him that He had the nerve to create me and to save me because it's not according to your doctrine.

      Let's wait and see how many born again, saved, worshipers of JESUS will be in heaven and on the new earth, who had committed suicide.

      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist The only things you know about Samson are "he was a womanizer, and a fornicator and a killer" and then you come up with a song called "My Dog Has Fleas".

      God=JESUS changed Samson's character after Delilah had been able to make him disobedient, which made him powerless and after he had lost his eyes.

      God-the Lord JESUS did something similar with regard to
      Saul, who became the Apostle Paul, because before that he was a cold blooded mass murderer and a persecutor of JESUS Himself:

      Acts 9:4-5 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
      5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against pricks.

      IMMEDIATELY the transformation process started:

      Acts 9:6-22 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
      6 He then both trembling and astonied, said, Lord, what wilt thou that I do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou shalt do.
      7 The men also which journeyed with him, [a]stood amazed, hearing his voice, but seeing no man.
      8 And Saul arose from the ground, and opened his eyes, but saw no man. Then led they him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus,
      9 Where he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.
      10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias, and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here Lord.
      11 Then the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and seek in the house of Judas after one called Saul of Tarsus: for behold, he prayeth.
      12 (And he saw in a vision a man named Ananias coming in to him, and putting his hands on him, that he might receive his sight.)
      13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem.
      14 Moreover here he hath authority of the high Priests, to bind all that call on thy Name.
      15 Then the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my Name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and the children of Israel.

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    12. 16 For I will show him, how many things he must suffer for my Name’s sake.
      17 Then Ananias went his way, and entered into that house, and put his hands on him, and saith, Brother Saul, the Lord hath sent me (even Jesus that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest) that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the holy Ghost.
      18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales, and suddenly he received sight, and arose, and was baptized,
      19 And received meat, and was strengthened. So was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
      20 And straightway he preached Christ in the Synagogues, that he was that Son of God.
      21 So that all that heard him were amazed, and said, Is not this he, that made havoc of them which called on this Name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he should bring them bound unto the high Priests?
      22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, confirming that this was that Christ.

      JESUS=God performed the same kind of transformation process concerning Samson, after his arrest and the humiliating loss of his sight.

      Samson not only wanted revenge for the loss of his eyes, but God=JESUS answered his prayer because He saw something of His OWN character in Samson, and that he was prepared to suffer and die for the sake of others, and especially for the sake of God (=JESUS).

      The Word of God is a CODED book and one cannot understand it when reading it as a robot.

      Satan reads the Bible that way and he cannot grasp the LOVE between the lines.

      It SEEMS he knows the Bible better than anyone else, and this goes for many Jesuits too, but they don't have the LOVE of JESUS in their hearts:

      This is from the same man that once slaughtered (Jewish) believers in JESUS:

      1 Corinthians 13 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?version=GNV&search=1%20Corinthians%2013

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      J Wing
      3:37 AM




      +Hans S Talk about willfully deceiving yourself when your own Bible says clearly Samson committed suicide. Did Samson die by his own hand? YES OR NO?

      If yes then its a SUICIDE = DEATH by your own hands.

      God gave Him the strength to do it by answering Samson's prayer for vengence on the Philistines. Suicide doesn't need despair and you know it. So you are just proving how rebellious you are against the CLEAR word of God.

      Again you think your own opinions are more important than God's opinion in the Bible. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      Repent of this foolishness and just embrace what God says. DEATH CAN NOT SEPARATE you from the love of God in Christ Jesus. Your salvation is ALL TOGETHER SECURE in the Jesus who paid for all sins including death by your own hands (aka suicide). Its covered. Stop acting like the devil by telling people they can do things to lose their salvation. Its not in the Bible.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      4:03 AM




      +Hans S Why don't you read what God wrote about Samson?
      Anyone can write their own opinion in a commentary.
      Read what God wanted written about him, he was a womanizer, and a fornicator and a killer.
      The revenge he wanted was NOT FOR GOD'S GLORY, it was for HIS TWO EYES.
      God used Samson to kill many many Philistines, but we do not know what sort of man he was except by what the scripture says about him, still he is saved by faith not works. And the self murder he did was allowed by God.
      That commentary is a bunch of self-righteous hogwash...is it from a hyper-calvanist source?
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      5:03 AM




      +Hans S https://youtu.be/20he7PekU7s

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    13. JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      9:02 AM

      Where are you getting the scripture for this?


      JESUS=God performed the same kind of transformation process concerning Samson, after his arrest and the humiliating loss of his sight.
      AND
      Samson not only wanted revenge for the loss of his eyes, but God=JESUS answered his prayer because He saw something of His OWN character in Samson, and that he was prepared to suffer and die for the sake of others, and especially for the sake of God (=JESUS).

      GOD always loved Samson and Samson was separated to GOD since birth as a Nazirite

      Judges 13-16 describes the life of Samson, a “Nazirite” known for his rather supernatural strength. His mother was originally “barren,” a rather shameful state for a woman, but was told by an angel, “You shall conceive and bear a son, whose head no razor shall touch. For he shall be a Nazirite of God, from his infancy and from his mother’s womb. And he shall begin to free Israel from the hand of the Philistines” (Judg 13:5). The Hebrew term “Nazirite” is נָזִר or נָזִיר (pronounced “Naw-ZEER”), and meant “consecrated” or “holy.” It relates to those consecrated by a vow as prescribed in Numbers 6, in which those so consecrated must not shave their heads nor consume anything from the vine.

      It's God who is faithful.

      You sure do assert a lot of things and now you are saying I don't have the love of Jesus in my heart because I correct you with SCRIPTURE.

      You are the one telling people that their loved one who committed suicide is in HELL. Where is the love in that? Where is the FAITH? You are being the judge for JESUS here telling us Jesus will send people to HELL regardless of their having faith in HIM. What you claim is NOT BIBLICAL.

      Am I more loving to let you go on deluding yourself contrary to the WORD OF GOD? Am I your enemy because I tell you the truth?

      If you loved Jesus you would love His word.
      God reveres His word even above His NAME. Look it up, that is Biblical.

      The word of God is truth, do you have the love of the truth? Jesus constantly quoted scripture. Am I wrong for doing the same as Jesus did? To eat the scroll of the book is to consume the scripture. To abide in Christ is to learn of Him by studying His word and by prayer. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

      15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

      16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

      17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
      Hans S
      9:15 AM




      +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist We are all meant to be like the angels and what used to be a loved one or a relative is not that way anymore in eternity.
      The first murderer was Adam and Eve's first child, Cane, and the first murder victim was their second son Abel.
      But in eternity they're not related to each other anymore as it used to be in this existence.
      People tend to condone suicide when it's committed by a loved one.
      I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS and I don't say 'that their loved one who committed suicide is in HELL'

      But I also don't say they're in Paradise with JESUS!

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    14. +J Wing
      Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?


      "God answered Samson's prayer for strength to commit SELF MURDER. Therefore God had no problem with suicide and Samson was saved even tho he self murdered."

      God-the Lord JESUS answered Samson's prayer for strenght so that he could avenge himself on the Philistines because of the loss of his eyes, and God-the Lord JESUS used it as a JUDGEMENT on this evil people, and He did NOT answer Samson's prayer because he wanted to commit suicide.

      Anyone who can't grasp this, is not able or willing to do something similar.

      A real suicide is a SELFISH deed!

      But again: do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?

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      earl clay
      Yesterday 10:01 AM




      no your just a wicked woman..if you preach people can die in their wicked sins and still be saved your just as wicked as they are!!! your false grace will not saved you you worship a false jesus...to tell people they can live in sin and still be saved is of the devil you liar!
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      Yesterday 10:19 AM




      +earl clay The demonic sinless perfectionists really hate eternal security which is the goodness of God, they also deny the blessed hope and they have no clue of what the blood of Jesus Christ has done for us who ARE SAVED...the devils come out of the woodwork to attack the gospel of grace just like they did with our Apostle Paul.
      These sorts of heretics will be blocked because they are not saved by grace adopted sons of God and they are not my brothers.
      JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
      11:20 AM




      +J Wing Did you see that? I got a real fan here that crawled out of somewhere...I really do get some loons sometimes.
      J Wing
      3:53 PM




      +Hans S If you can't recognize a suicide then you've got issues & are completely deluded. Would explain why you don't understand and will never understand OSAS thats in the Bible.

      Did Samson die by HIS OWN HANDS? Even a toddler reading that passage would say YES. The simple fact you say NO shows you don't have even simple understanding of the word SUICIDE. Nothing more can be done for someone who is willingly ignorant of simple terms.

      Suicide = SELF murder = sin

      God answered Samson's prayer for strength to commit SELF MURDER. Therefore God had no problem with suicide and Samson was saved even tho he self murdered.

      So sorry that the Bible shows suicide doesn't unsave a person like your false, hopeless teaching has it. The simple fact you cling to something UNBiblical shows that you have serious pride issues. You can't admit when you are wrong.

      Love is not proud like you. Seems like you are lacking fruits of the spirit and dicernment.
      J Wing
      4:03 PM




      +earl clay People die in their sins and aren't saved? LoL lets look at many people that God said were saved that died UNREPENTANT sinners.

      Solomon sinned and never repented. Yet Peter lists Solomon as a holy man and definitely saved as much as David was. And even Jesus compares himself to Solomon indicating he was saved dispite his SINNING at the end of his life and NEVER repenting of it. whoops.

      Lot same thing. Lived in evil Sodom got drunk and raped by his daughters. Yet God said he was RIGHTEOUS enough to be saved. Whoops.

      How about you? If you think you have to repent of all sins in order to stay saved, did you miss even one? Most likely you've missed lots without knowing it. Guess you are unsaved according to your own standards. Whoops.

      Meanwhile +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist and I TRUST not in our ability to stay perfect which we know no man can, not even you. Instead we place are our HOPE & TRUST in Jesus to cover every last sin we have or are going to commit. We instead just do our best to love God and love man like Jesus commanded us, knowing we will fall short all the time, in Thought, Motives, Intents, and Deeds and knowing Jesus has already forgiven even those.

      Can you say the same?

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    15. +J Wing Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?
      J Wing
      4:39 PM




      +Hans S You sure you reading the Bible? It says Samson asked God for strength to push the pilars over. Did Samson have his strength back? Yes/No?
      Hans S
      4:40 PM




      +J Wing Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?

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      J Wing
      4:38 PM




      +Hans S selfish or not doesn't matter cuz selfishness is a sin yet it is COVERED by Jesus. Suicide is DEATH by your own hands and a sin. But Jesus said ALL SINS are covered. Wake up. The Bible has disproven your crackpot theory of suicide sin not being covered.

      Funny how you want Jesus to cover ALL SINS and yet leave out the sin of MURDER which is one of the most obvious sins.

      Did Jesus cover ALL SINS or not?
      Mark 3:28-29
      28 Verily I say unto you, ALL SINS shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

      Jesus said He covers ALL SINS. Who is Hans to say no the sin of murder is not covered? Are you higher than God?

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    16. +J Wing
      Yes, I LOVE the Lord JESUS Christ: Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?


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      +Hans S Do you? If you do stop preaching such heresy that would make Jesus want to spew you out of His mouth.

      If you truly love Jesus like I do, then do what Jesus commands plz.
      1 John 3:23
      And this is his command: to BELIEVE in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

      This means to BELIEVE/TRUST in Jesus to cover ALL of your SINS not just some of them.
      Hans S
      5:05 PM




      +J Wing
      Yes, I LOVE the Lord JESUS Christ: Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?

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    17. +J Wing Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?
      It's a simple question and I've asked you this first.
      I can also ask you: do you love me on behalf of JESUS, because JESUS is my BEST friend?

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      J Wing
      5:19 PM




      +Hans S Then if you do, STOP teaching UNBIBLICAL heresy, that Jesus doesn't forgive ALL SINS. You are a liar that RESISTS the word of God.

      Do you trust the Bible as God's infallible words?

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  27. +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    One question at a time, Joyce.
    Yes, I love JESUS Christ of the Bible.


    "Do you trust God's word and defend it because you love JESUS, no you are not because you have not been able to provide any scripture to defend your heretical suicide sends people to hell position because there is NONE to support such NONSENSE!!"

    I've said (in case you've noticed it) : "I leave the judgement to God-the Lord JESUS and I don't say 'that their loved one who committed suicide is in HELL'

    But I also don't say they're in Paradise with JESUS!"

    Now, are you able to leave it to God-the Lord JESUS that this is my point of view?

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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    +Hans S I love Jesus Christ so much that I stand in the gap to defend His word against liars and heretics like that unsaved sinless perfectionist and any one else who makes God's words a lie!!
    I have righteous indignation toward all false witnesses who teach a false gospel and are confusing my brothers and sisters with their lies!!
    I love Jesus Christ and that is WHY I defend His very word of truth and WHY I have His truth written on my heart!
    I love Jesus Christ so much that I revere HIS WORD even as He does revere it higher than His name.
    Do you love Jesus Christ and BELIEVE His every word? Every jot and tittle? Do you trust God's word and defend it because you love JESUS, no you are not because you have not been able to provide any scripture to defend your heretical suicide sends people to hell position because there is NONE to support such NONSENSE!!
    Do you have the love of the TRUTH in you according to Jesus Christ? And according to the word of God which is able to SAVE you? James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.THE ENGRAFTED WORD WHICH IS ABLE TO SAVE YOUR SOULS!!
    If someone said they loved me and then lied about my words which I did NOT say, I would be insulted and sad and doubly doubt that they loved me at all.
    I LOVE JESUS CHRIST He is the WORD manifest in the flesh and as long as I have breath in my body I will preach His truth according to His TRUE WORDS.
    Do you love Jesus Christ of the Bible?

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    1. +J Wing
      I've asked you several times 'Do you love the Lord JESUS Christ?' and you simply don't answer me.

      Why is it so hard for you to answer such a simple question and why is it so hard for you to tell me your first name?
      I only know the first letter of your first name (your surname is less important to me) and I assume that this is you with your wife and your child: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-3oQoEuPr8ck/Ug0v8aF-mqI/AAAAAAAAD7g/6K7jetckEhQ5VqWDLmXneqzpkkyd9IseQCL0B/s251-no/Juli15-780910.JPG

      Suicide is self MURDER and we know that even MASS MURDER will be forgiven in case a perpetrator of such a crime has received forgiveness from God-the Lord JESUS on the basis of Grace through Faith in what the Lord JESUS has done for us on the cross.

      In case a perpetrator of suicide or homicide is still an unsaved person, such a person will be judged accordingly:

      Revelation 21:8
      But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

      Revelation 22:15
      For without shall be dogs and enchanters, and whoremongers, and MURDERERS, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth or maketh lies.

      Let's see it from your point of view: a person has been saved by grace, through faith in Christ JESUS.
      According to you this person is ONCE saved and ALWAYS saved and NOTHING can keep this person from being saved forever.

      So in principle such a person can commit a MASS MURDER and get away with it.

      Such a person could kill YOU and your family and get away with it, yes?

      Because according to you this person is ONCE saved, ALWAYS saved.

      According to you such a person could also MURDER him or herself and he or she will enter heaven and would only miss some kind of reward when he or she will be judged before the Judgment Seat of JESUS Christ.

      Now, please answer this question: why don't we tell all people to commit suicide AFTER having BELIEVED in the Lord JESUS Christ, and after having received God's grace, because this would be the FASTEST way to get to heaven?

      In case suicide is no big deal, then why not propagate this option to everybody?

      The message could be something like this:

      "People, believe in the Lord JESUS Christ and receive God's grace through faith alone, and change your mind, which is the meaning of repentance, and then END your life through suicide, because that's the fastest way to enter heaven.".

      According to you this would be a NORMAL way of telling people the GOOD NEWS, because there are no negative consequences, like eternal punishment in the lake of fire, attached to the act of self murder, because of the principle of 'once saved, always saved'.

      This also means that in case a SAVED believer in JESUS is depressed and wants to end his or her life, you could tell such a person that's it's OKAY to commit suicide, because there won't be any severe and negative consequences.

      What is your response to this?

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      J Wing
      11:08 AM




      +Hans S Fine then SHOW us verses that say suicides go to Hell. I don't see even one. Instead I find strong evidence that suicide has no affect on whether you go to Hell or not. Jesus himself said that BELIEVING saves and NOT BELIEVING damns you.

      Why can't you find even one verse that says suicides are damned?? Cuz its not in the Bible. Someone who loves God would NOT make up stuff like you have.

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    2. +J Wing
      So it's okay that a saved person kills you and your whole family
      , and subsequently kills him or herself and will enter heaven to be with JESUS forever?

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      J Wing
      4:34 PM




      +Hans S you purposely try to drown out your own mistake by MUCH TALKING and COMPLAINING. The simple fact is neither of your 2 verses says that a believer who commits suicide will lose their salvation and end up in Hell.

      Those characteristics of unsaved are NOT COVERED by Jesus because those do NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS as savior.
      Simple to show you are WRONG by the verse just before your verses you choose.
      Rev21:7
      He that OVERCOMETH shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and HE SHALL BE MY SON.
      Rev22:14
      Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

      How do we be OVERCOMERS? By "good works"? By obedience? By repenting of sins? By becoming a martyr? BY NOT COMMITTING SUICIDE?? nope.

      1 John 5:4-5
      For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
      Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

      NOTICE: Overcomers are not those who avoid self murder but those who BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!!

      Nothing at all to do with suicide. So sorry Hans but you are WRONG and the Bible says so.

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  28. +Mel Mai
    That's because I'm in the middle of a confrontation with fellow believers who believe that suicide is a one way ticket to heaven provided the perpetrator of this self murder is a born again and saved person.


    Here you can read more about it: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/satan-on-suicide.html

    https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2016/06/once-saved-always-saved-biblical.html

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    Mel Mai
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    Hello Brother through Christ, I can't help to notice that you've passed few video in regards to suicide. Are you okay? 

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  29. +J Wing "no saved person who go around killing people. Just won't happen sorry"

    So there are NO SAVED people who KILL themselves?

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    J Wing
    4:47 PM




    +Hans S Again the question in order to be safe from Hell is WHAT? Lets look at the Bible shall we? Please.
    Revelation 20:15
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE was cast into the lake of fire.*

    Got it? not in Book of Life sends you to Hell!! Not Suicide.
    How do we stay in the Book of Life then??
    Revelation 3:5
    He that OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT blot out his name out of the BOOK OF LIFE, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
    Revelation 2:11
    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that OVERCOMETH shall not be hurt of the second death.

    Again we need to be OVERCOMERS to not be dropped into Hell. How do we do that?

    1 John 5:4-5
    For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
    Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?
    J Wing
    4:50 PM




    +Hans S Again no saved person who go around killing people. Just won't happen sorry. So your question has no merit. Don't forget also Jesus said if you get angry at someone without a cause YOU HAVE ALREADY COMMITTED MURDER in your heart.

    So guess all believers murder every day and yet Rev says if we BELIEVE IN JESUS we are still NOT BLOTTED OUT of the book of life.

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  30. So there are no SAVED people who can become CRAZY and kill you and your family and themselves?

    So according to you it's only about saved people who become INSANE and MURDER themselves??

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    J Wing
    5:30 PM




    +Hans S Apparently you didn't understand what I said. I said no saved person would go around randomly killing people and families. Your example had a saved person randomly murdering OTHER PEOPLE. I quote your example "a saved person kills you and your whole family,"

    Now if they kill themselves, I can see that happening because even saved the person is still a person who can LOSE HOPE IN HIS SITUATION GETTING BETTER. Its not a crime to be human and lose hope in your present situation and suicide because of it.

    However notice all the verses that decide whether you are dropped into the Lake of Fire (aka Hell) is because their name is NOT IN THE BOOK OF LIFE. However Jesus in Revelation PROMISES that He WILL NOT BLOT YOUR NAME OUT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE if you are an OVERCOMER.

    Again we need to be OVERCOMERS to not be dropped into Hell. How do we do that?

    1 John 5:4-5
    For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
    Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

    Notice being dropped into Hell has NOTHING to do with suiciding!!

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    1. +J Wing
      Yes, but you state there are no saved (mass) murderers, so why should there be saved self murderers?


      "being dropped into Hell has NOTHING to do with self murder!!

      But JESUS says:

      Revelation 21:8
      But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

      Revelation 22:15
      For without shall be dogs and enchanters, and whoremongers, and MURDERERS, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth or maketh lies.

      I mean: MURDER or SELF MURDER is MURDER??

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      J Wing
      5:52 PM




      +Hans S IF add in "lose your mind... CRAZY... become INSANE", they are still SAVED. btw notice you keep trying to add stuff to make it seem like an unforgivable sin, but nothing changes what the Bible clearly says in Revelation.

      IF YOU ARE NOT in the Book of Life you will go to Hell.

      If you BELIEVE ON JESUS as the Son of God you WILL NOT GET BLOTTED from the Book of Life.Again we need to be OVERCOMERS to not be dropped into Hell. How do we do that?
      1 John 5:4-5
      For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, EVEN OUR FAITH.
      Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

      Notice being dropped into Hell has NOTHING to do with self murder!!

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    2. +J Wing
      Ho wait a minute: we're talking about BORN AGAIN and SAVED people who theoretically commit (mass) murder or self murder (suicide).


      We must make a distinction between unsaved people and saved people.

      I know one example of a born again, saved follower of JESUS who had murdered someone else: https://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.nl/2015/01/were-living-in-satanic-world.html

      I believe we see him again in heaven and on the New Earth where JESUS is.

      But I have NO examples of people who were saved and born again, who have killed themselves

      I told you before that I know several people who were believers who had killed themselves, but I doubt whether they were born again.

      Mind you: I'm an ex-atheist and atheists don't believe in deities and they consider anyone to be a BELIEVER who believes in some kind of deity, so for example Muslims or Hindus are believers too.

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      J Wing
      8:11 PM




      +Hans S I said NO SUCH THING. If a mass murderer accepts Jesus as Savior, he is saved DESPITE ALL HE'S DONE. There are MANY saved mass murderers in Heaven, all because they BELIEVED ON JESUS.

      btw Judah was a mass murderer and he is saved and in Heaven.

      Again the only requirement to AVOID HELL is have your name REMAIN in the Book of Life. To do that you must be an OVERCOMER.
      1 John 5:4-5
      For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, EVEN OUR FAITH.
      Who is he that OVERCOMETH the world, but he that BELIEVETH that Jesus is the Son of God?

      Again salvation is not based on works which murder is a work. It is THROUGH FAITH in Jesus alone.

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  31. JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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    +Hans S O Goooooood, how does it feel to be FREE?
    https://youtu.be/Stwy45iitiY
    OK, you are not a heretic, you are my brother. GBY
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    What a difference the RIGHT gospel makes, now who would want to throw that away? Or commit suicide with such joy in their heart? To be so unburdened is freedom in Jesus Christ forever!
    And when we remember all He has done for us it ought to bring back to mind that joy and love and peace.
    And freedom to LIVE LIFE!! Knowing how much we are LOVED BY HIM!
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    +Hans S Exactly the only unforgivable sin is reject Jesus as the ONLY savior and mediator that He is. RCC has this problem because they elevate Mary to comediatrix, when 2Tim2:3-4 says Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man.

    Perhaps you can use some of my stuff that challenges RCC. You can start by asking if they know that the Mass doesn't help save them. Then ask them if they know that their own Bible tells them exactly what God's way of salvation is? Then ask them would they like to know how to be saved.

    Really it boils down if they believe the infallible word of God in Scripture or the Catechism that is written by fallible men. By this point you can tell whether they are even open to it by their reaction. The open ones are shocked that they've been lied to by the priest for so long and respect the Bible as God's word. The ones that aren't will insist even your quoting of the Bible is an opinion or interpretation.
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    +J Wing Yes, and O boy do we know this from our experience on the G+ by having discussions with the poor, blind RCC members!
    +J Wing and +Hans S I would like to invite you both to my new community called AGAINST ALL HERESY where you can share warnings and truth about the false cults and gospels in order to edify and equip the saints and help us all to grow in grace.
    I am head over heels excited about this new community to refute the works of darkness and the damnable heresies of the devil's "ministers of righteousness" (self-righteousness).
    Share all your articles on the Gospel of Grace and OSAS which is also a huge part of the salvation issue...lets unburden people of all the lies that they have been told.
    grace and peace.
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Feel free to share from the website onto your community. I don't want to end up doubling up on my G+ page when I have to do a 2nd community post as the system won't let me post to my page and the community pages at the same time.

    +Hans S Oh in my excitement I forgot to link you the RCC witnessing info I compiled. Hope you find it useful. Tell me if you think some additions might be useful as one ex-RCC had me add in one section.
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/question-for-all-catholics.html
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/scriptures-faith-alone.html
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/catechism-secrets.html

    And just to commemorate our Eternal Security discussion for future reference
    http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/bibles-eternal-assurance.html

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  32. Hans S
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist +J Wing
    Don't forget the PROTESTANTS: they are pseudo-Catholics!
    Thanks for the invitation, Joyce, and J Wing, thanks for all the links to the RCC witnessing infoI

    I'm already confronting Catholics, but it's always good to be better equipped with more sound doctrine.
    Thanks also for this link: http://biblicalfoundations.weebly.com/bibles-eternal-assurance.html

    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Nobody wants to commit suicide who has been freed of false doctrines and who is filled with the LOVE of JESUS!
    J Wing
    4:39 AM




    +Hans S Not all come from Catholicism. Baptist come from the Anabaptist that were fundamental Bible believers to the point Catholic Church persecuted and slaughtered them. Many Protestants have gotten much of the gospel right but still unfortunately retained the faith+ works gospel of the RCC.
    Hans S
    4:49 AM




    +J Wing
    And most protestants still celebrate the Roman Catholic 'Christmas' and 'Easter'.
    Know this about Martin Luther: Lutheranism Exposed! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/09/lutheranism-exposed.html
    Hans S
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    +J Wing
    And something else: I'm Dutch and when I found out that the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture (pre-trib-rapture) was deliberately obscured in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 in many English translations (and also in all Dutch translations) due to discovering this translation, a couple of years ago:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 World English Bible (WEB)
    3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3&version=WEB

    I discovered that there was something wrong with the KJV1611, of which I believed it was the best English translation, but that was before I discovered the WEB and the Geneva Bible 1599:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2%3A3&version=GNV

    This is the KJV1611 version of this verse:

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 King James Version (KJV)
    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    'a falling away' is the wrong translation of the Greek word 'apostasia' and 'departure' or 'departing' is correct, and departure/departing points to the rapture.

    Satan hates the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture!
    He wants to slaughter ALL born again followers of JESUS.

    King James Bible 1611 is Masonic!! http://ezekiel38rapture.blogspot.com/2015/07/king-james-bible-1611-is-masonic.html

    I mean: there are so many false doctrines and not only concerning the right gospel of grace, and most, if not all, derive from the Roman Catholic church and the Vatican and the Jesuits.
    I believe the Vatican is Satan's headquarters on earth.
    Hans S
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    +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    Thanks for this song, Joyce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stwy45iitiY&feature=youtu.be

    What has happened to me is that JESUS has set me free from my ex and her way of thinking about (for example) suicide and more.

    Last 'Christmas' she had a 'Christmas tree' again in her living room, while she seemed to agree with me in 2014 that we have nothing to do with this Roman Catholic nonsense.
    JESUS didn't even commemorate His own birthday, so why should we and also on the WRONG date?
    This is an example of why I say that most protestants are pseudo-Catholics.
    But this is a challenge to us to tell them the truth on behalf of the great freedom fighter JESUS!

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  33. +J Wing +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
    I use the same tactic as Paul who was a Jew among the Jews and a gentile among the gentiles
    , but to me, X-mas and other Catholic 'holy days' have become meaningless.
    I commemorate all important facts about JESUS everyday: His miraculous conception, His birth, His wisdom as a boy of 12, the start of His mission when the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit where simultaneously present when JESUS was baptized, His death on the cross, His resurrection, His ascension, His initial outpouring of the Holy Spirit and His sudden calling of Saul, who became our special Apostle Paul, which should be a real celebration, because Paul revealed to us on behalf of JESUS the Mysterious Body of Christ and the Gospel of Grace, and the knowledge concerning the pre-Jacob's Trouble-rapture and much more, and again: on behalf of JESUS.

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    JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist
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    J Wing
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    +Hans S +JoyceBelieves InJesusChrist Just remember celebration of holy days, feast days, or even supposed birthdays doesn't do anything since we live in Grace. We are saved regardless if we choose to celebrate the days or not. However we can always use it as a witnessing tool not to bash people over the head but funnel their attention to the REAL Jesus of the Bible who said if we BELIEVE in Him we are saved and that He doesn't turn anyone away that comes to Him.

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  34. +J Wing You said:
    "We should preach AGAINST suicide not because it will send you to Hell but rather because there is so much to live for.

    And also that if a believer does commit suicide it will NOT send them to Hell.
    And the only sin that will send you to Hell is that of REJECTING/NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS."

    I once heard during a meeting with fellow believers in JESUS about a Russian brother during the time of the Soviet Union and he was living in solitary confinement because of his faith in JESUS for 10 years!
    He had been able to bring out this CRY for HELP: 'PLEASE PRAY FOR ME, BECAUSE I'M CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE!'.

    Solitary confinement is one of the worst torture methods!

    Telling such a person NOT to commit suicide because 'there is so much to live for' doesn't seem to be a comforting thought in such a horrible situation, don't you think?

    And you said: "And the only sin that will send you to Hell is that of REJECTING/NOT BELIEVING IN JESUS".

    Amen, and that's EXACTLY what a suicide perpetrator does: REJECTING the HELP of JESUS and NOT BELIEVING that JESUS can change the situation for the BETTER!

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